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11 Jan 2018 10:03:38
Heard from a good source that Ceballos is 'nailed on' to join before the window closes. No idea how my source knows but works within football and simply passed it on, make of it what you will.

Personally I would be a bit underwhelmed if the de facto replacement for Coutinho was Ceballos as seems a marked step down in quality but hey ho let's see what materialises.


1.) 11 Jan 2018 10:37:30
Why are people saying he is the replacement of coutinho? What if we are taking advantage of his situation at madrid?

Although I agree that he is not a Coutinho replacement, I think he is a good player and would be a good acquisition for the squad looking forward.

2.) 11 Jan 2018 10:55:19
Yes we ain't going to replace coutihno he is a world class Brazil international, but what we can do is strengthen the areas we are weak in we lack creative spark in midfield an someone who can manipulate the ball he is a gamble but could also turn out too b real quality well worth a punt especially if we can get keita early as well suddenly midfield is lookin healthy freeing up the attack, ox, mane, Salah, firmino, lallana, solanke, sturridge, nice options, still I would like us too buy an attacker like lemar, mahrez, suso, draxler wishful thinking though.

3.) 11 Jan 2018 12:00:02
I wonder if we will hear from wonder dog sparky?

4.) 11 Jan 2018 13:53:12
Hi eds i'm going to need your email addresses, mothers maiden names and the names of your first pets. uh. for science

Seriously though I hope we can do something like this, the buzz the club had post VVD left along with Phil.

5.) 11 Jan 2018 22:02:17
Coutinho was crap in midfield. Addressing the balance there would be an upgrade.

6.) 11 Jan 2018 22:39:08
Faith, he wasn’t really crap in midfield though was he? He played most games in midfield this season and had one of his best (half) seasons.

7.) 12 Jan 2018 19:12:12
our midfield is very weak at the moment, and could be the weakness that City will try and take control over, we really need at least one top player coming in this window, the name I have is the big guy from Roma,




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04 Apr 2020 15:27:59
Very disappointed that the club have opted to furlough some non-playing staff. The club has enough money to support them, they should not be going cap in hand to the government. Makes a mockery of the You'll Never Walk Alone mantra.


{Ed025's Note - most clubs will go down that route seano, sad actually but indicative of the times we live in mate..

1.) 04 Apr 2020 15:47:49
You're right Ed, I was just hoping Liverpool would actually set a good example, sadly they haven't. I know football is a business but I thought it was supposed to stand for something more - obviously not.

{Ed025's Note - i does look that way seano, im sure they could stretch to looking after the guys and gals who keep the place running, even if its at the expense of the players who lets be honest can afford it mate..

2.) 04 Apr 2020 15:56:35
I agree, although not sure about making a mockery of “you’ll never walk alone”.
Surely a club willing to spend £75m on a player can cover non-playing staffs wages? in fact I’m 100% certain they can but are taking advantage of government hands outs which I suppose is above board but it doesn’t sit right with me.

{Ed025's Note - nor me cobra..

3.) 04 Apr 2020 16:02:04
Totally agree Sean and Ed25, shows a complete lack of class and empathy to what’s going on. A little ashamed of the club to be honest😥.

{Ed025's Note - im with you toe knee, i expected better mate..

4.) 04 Apr 2020 16:13:02
So far as I can see the only reason to do it is greed. Very tone deaf from the club but in keeping with a pretty abysmal response from the Premier League generally, from players discussing a 30% cut - now they'll only be paid the annual salary of two nurses rather than three, boohoo - to the likes of Andros Townsend calling players 'easy targets', a man who gambled 46k with a few clicks of a phone.

A really appalling response so far - say what you like about the player but Ronaldo has been throwing money about left, right, and center back in Portugal to try and help people out during this crisis - a lot of players in the UK need to self reflect a little, realise how unbelievably fortunate they are, and perhaps give a little back to the community that pays their wages. The game is so morally vacuous it makes me sick.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that seano..

5.) 04 Apr 2020 16:13:53
I’m actually embarrassed to be a supporter right now if this is true. There must be enough cash sloshing around the club to have kept paying salaries for a few months at least. I’d understand it a bit more if they’d gone down this route if the situation had dragged on into, say, June, but to do it so soon has shocked me. Very poor if you ask me.

{Ed025's Note - it leaves a very nasty taste in the mouth johnny..

6.) 04 Apr 2020 16:20:40
I think there are some decisions being taken at the moment Ed025 that could see a lot of people turning away from football when the current situation is resolved. I am disgusted we’Ve done this already, just gives more ammunition for other clubs supporters to throw at us.

{Ed025's Note - a lot of the clubs will be doing the same johnny, you would think the top clubs would set an example though and with the amount of money in the game it seems very petty, i would like to see the players step up to the plate and collectively guarantee the staffs wages myself, god knows they can afford to mate..

7.) 04 Apr 2020 16:25:50
I've seen we have put non playing staff on furlough (which by definition is temporary leave) however does that automatically mean that they are going to apply to the government to pay the rest?
Sorry if I'm being a bit thick but all it said in the statement is they will be getting 100%.
I'm just not sure if that's 100% from the club or 80 from government and 20 from the club.

{Ed002's Note - 80% from HMG and 20% from the club.}

8.) 04 Apr 2020 17:05:51
Whilst the staff are on furlough, they won’t be losing out on income as the club will top up the extra 20%.

9.) 04 Apr 2020 17:02:19
That's disappointing ed002 but thank you for clarifying.

Obviously we don't know the figures of what the wage bill is but on the face of it. When clubs pay millions for transient employees and get millions from us mere mortals through tuning in week in week out it feels like we could of picked up the bill for a couple of months.

Whilst it's great what the government have offered we will have to pay it at some point, one way or another.

10.) 04 Apr 2020 17:19:00
"Whilst the staff are on furlough, they won’t be losing out on income as the club will top up the extra 20%. "

True, but the tax payer is now basically footing 80% of the wages bill for non-playing staff.

{Ed001's Note - it really is sad as they players themselves could have easily contributed enough to cover all 100%.}

11.) 04 Apr 2020 17:29:24
This discussion is fundamentally flawed, there is no work for the staff at the moment and they are being paid 100%.

Like for most businesses the role of managing cash flow during this pandemic is paramount, and with no fixed end in sight to not take the help offered by the government would be foolish and may place the furloughed staff in a much worse position in the medium term - especially with the elimination of all matchday revenue. There also seems to be a mismatch in peoples understanding of a companies 'worth' and what they actually hold in cash.

I'm sure the players will take a pay reduction soon, but the PFA aren't exactly aiding this cause.

12.) 04 Apr 2020 17:37:47
From a business point of view it makes complete sense. The staff receive 80% from the Government and topped up (20%) by the club. What is the issue?

{Ed001's Note - the issue is that Liverpool used to stand for more, but I guess you don't understand YNWA?}

13.) 04 Apr 2020 18:05:50
Absolutely gutted that the club has gone down this route. Complete lack of class and flies in the face of YNWA and "we are one family".

What leaves an even sourer taste in the mouth is, I just happened to be looking at Ox and Gini isolating in their indoor swimming pools whilst isolating.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm sure all our players will step up to the plate, but it still leaves a bad taste.

14.) 04 Apr 2020 18:09:16
Nobody has been sacked or paid off. They are getting paid 100% of the wages. I'm sure from an employee point of view the most important thing is what goes into their account each month to pay their mortgage and Bills and not who is paying it.

{Ed002's Note - The point is that they are taking Government money on the basis of not knowing what their financial obligations will eb going forward. They really don't need to do taht. But at least the large number of Liverpool fans calling out the others sides who have done this should now be suitably embarrassed.}

15.) 04 Apr 2020 18:20:40
The staff won’t notice a difference, that much is certain. And we should also agree they didn’t need to top up the wage but it’s the way they’ve got there that’s the issue.

I really don’t think our club needs to lean on the government just yet to get staff through this time.

Eventually all this money will want paying back and it will likely be through higher taxes.

The furlough system should only be used as a final resort for companies that would have to make people redundant, not just to save a bit of cash, which from the outside is what this feels like.

Also from a public image point of view this isn’t great and if we post a sizeable profit next year we will be scrutinised further.

{Ed002's Note - You need to understand the business paradigm at Liverpool does not extend to doing the honourable or principled thing.}

16.) 04 Apr 2020 18:29:32
FORNAX, the players aren't working either. Should we furlough them?

The point is that Liverpool, along with most, if not all Premier League clubs, could easily absorb the cost of non-playing staff if their senior players took a small pay cut that they should be able afford. The annual wages bill for the LFC senior squad is reported at something like £110m, so just shy of £10m a month. 10% or 15% of that would go a long way, and if any of our players personal finances are so skewed that they can't survive on £45k per week after tax instead of £50k for a while, they obviously need to stop investing all their money in high-risk hedge funds and betting money on horses.

And if this goes on long enough for paying wages to staff who aren't working to become a major financial problem for the club, then we're looking disruption well into next season, which is going cause financial problems anyway.

But no, we'll stick more people on the governments books because there's clearly not enough people there already who've been laid off by businesses who are not in a position to absorb the costs in the way that Liverpool FC could.

Socialists get criticised for 'running out of other people's money' when they want to spend money on government services or a social security net, but there's no problem with the government paying wages at a private company that showed £42m in profit in its last declared accounts. Funny that.

17.) 04 Apr 2020 19:31:14
If this had happened during Shankley's reign I'd say he would have resigned over the club doing something so morally reprehensible.

{Ed001's Note - exactly.}

18.) 04 Apr 2020 19:49:42
This whole thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I hoped that the season ticket fiasco would have taught the leadership team a lesson but clearly hasn’t.

Serious own goal, the worst part is that they are trying to justify it by saying they will cover other 20%.

A little bit of my love for the club just died.

19.) 04 Apr 2020 19:52:20
Absolutely shocked, embarrassed and frankly disgusted the club went down this route.
A million PR led "we are giving away our extra food to food banks" photo ops and they do this move that essentially means we will pay for the 80% so the club can pay only 20 and the players contribute nothing!
Liverpool (YNWA my behind) and all the rest of them should bow their heads - although doubt anyone will 😡.

20.) 04 Apr 2020 19:58:45
Have tweeted John W Henry to let him know my feelings. Not abusive just voicing my disappointment. Perhaps if enough others do he might intervene to reverse this morally reprehensible decision.

21.) 04 Apr 2020 20:43:22
I will like to add that in a lot of cases the club will be paying more than 20% as the grant is capped at £2500 a month from the government. My work are doing this and would be stupid not too especially as they are a national company and not doing so could cause them to go under if it drags on.
Liverpool are doing it with approx 200 employees so if they are all on over £3k a month (some probably not) then it’s saving the club £500k a month, it’s nothing in the scheme of things and just not worth the bad press and sour taste, especially when we supposedly have 12 players earning over £100k a week.

22.) 04 Apr 2020 20:46:19
When Spurs did this to their non playing staff I said here I hoped our club would not let anyone walk alone, but what I feared happened. The management and playing staff are getting their £100s of thousands a week but staff that cut the grass and make the meals or clean up after them for a hell of a lot less are being left to walk alone.
I don't care what the PFA say this was a chance for the players to make a stand with the rest of the staff and show what this clubs ethos was all about, they failed.
At times like this who do they think they are? Nurses? Doctors? Decent co-workers? No, just greedy entertainers who think it is tough because for the first time in their adult lives they have to cook their own food.
This has made me sick of football, let the season be cancelled.

23.) 04 Apr 2020 20:49:46
Absolutely gutted. I have always thought that our club was a class above every other but today is one of our darkest days. We are a disgrace. Probably one of the most successful clubs in the world with huge profits from it via sponsorship etc and we do this. It is a complete disgrace and we deserve any rubbish thrown at us.

24.) 04 Apr 2020 21:06:20
Cobra666 so are my company. Who is to say whether it’s needed I don’t know. Point is that if a businesses doesn’t have to do it they are playing the system and ultimately taking food off the table of the poorest in society in the long run.

Make no mistake there will be big tax increase and cuts to social security down the line. I suspect LFC don’t need to do this now and if that’s the case then they will contribute to someone starving in the future. End of. Yes others are doing that but we’re supposed to be bigger than that.

25.) 04 Apr 2020 20:32:18
Clearly not ed002, just a shame it doesn’t come into the equation.

From a business POV I kind of understand, an opportunity to have the staff bill being paid and then just filling i the gaps can be an attractive proposition but I think it’s just a very short term view. And any profit in the future will be heavily criticised.

If it was a short term loan I also don’t think it’s be as heavily criticised but us as fans will foot the bill for this in the long run imo through taxes.

{Ed002's Note - It became clear yesterday that Liverpool were heading this way.}

26.) 04 Apr 2020 21:25:43
Just signed a petition there weather it will make any difference to our clubs stance I don't know. My background is in finance and we are heading for a recession like no other seen in anyone's living memory. That money should stay in government coffers.

27.) 04 Apr 2020 21:26:15
BigJohn, you and thousands of others, mate. Going to set up a Twitter account and join the masses.
As the banner says "it's not the people in power, it's the power of the people"

28.) 04 Apr 2020 21:29:34
Ed1, you have your finger on how the club is run. Do you think those that run it will take any notice of the outpouring of disgust, which is surely pouring out at the news of furloughing staff, and perhaps reconsider?
Forgive me for living in cloud cuckoo land, it's been along day.

{Ed001's Note - not unless it becomes a huge issue which threatens future profits. Sadly it is highly unlikely that it will do so.}

29.) 04 Apr 2020 21:42:34
Shocking absolutely shocking from us am afraid!

30.) 04 Apr 2020 22:13:06
Rudder where’s the petition mate, I want to sign it.

31.) 04 Apr 2020 22:15:54
Gutted they’ve made this decision. I’d hoped Liverpool/ the players would have covered the wages of the staff. I’d also hoped the top teams would have helped out the clubs lower down but that doesn’t look like it’ll happen anytime soon either. Shameful.

{Ed002's Note - The FA are responsible for flowing down money from the PL through the structure of the lower leagues - so you should not be calling anyone out over that. The Liverpool fans seem to be in “monkey hanger” mode - hitting on the clubs seeking government assistance, blaming players and clubs who are doing much without it being in the public domain - perhaps they need to be a little more humble in accepting there is a great deal going on that they don’t realise.}

32.) 04 Apr 2020 23:06:27
Ed25 at least you club have said they won't go down this route shows what a class club you love really proud of our blue neighbours when I read this.

33.) 04 Apr 2020 23:17:42
I'm going to take ed2's advice and not get involved in discussing finances.
But as an observation, it took literally days for some NBA players to announce announce how they would pay for the non-playing staff's wages etc. Football at all levels has been pretty quiet since the whole way through.

{Ed002's Note - Some clubs and players to not seek advertising or press coverage of what they do. Don’t lose sight of that.}

34.) 04 Apr 2020 21:30:12
Imagine the uproar when we buy a player for millions in the next transfer window. A complete shambles in which, regardless of our outstanding on pitch performances, we will have lost our soul.

35.) 05 Apr 2020 09:55:19
Not sure why everyone is getting so annoyed about the furlow situation, the club and players pay their taxes and are therfore entitled to use furlow if they choose too.

36.) 05 Apr 2020 10:38:44
I am against what they have done but people saying they are taking food off tax payers plates need to realise the club and players contribute millions in tax every year so claiming back 500k-2m is a drop in the ocean in comparison. It’s just another reminder that football has turned into a business and I think the bad press over this is no way worth the money they will be claiming.

37.) 05 Apr 2020 10:46:40
They are Liverbird1 but it’s just doesn't sit right and is just another sign that football is one big business.

38.) 05 Apr 2020 12:27:21
good point ed2. I understand why people see this as a bad look, but I don't think the club have done anything wrong. Staff are being paid 100%, that is a good thing. The next few months will be very interesting and I'll be keeping an eye on public mood as things change with finances, funding etc etc.
Ed2, couple Qs - what is your take on LFC putting their non-playing staff on furlough? should football clubs be doing this? and what are some initiatives you are aware of that football clubs are doing to help in this crisis that the general public don't know?

{Ed002's Note - (1) It became evident of Friday afternoon this would happen - nobody is surprised except for the Liverpool fans who are trying to defend a morally bankrupt business that care nothing and respect nobody. The money should be available to not for profit business firstly, and those businesses who may not survive, and football clubs like Hartlepool who are struggling. (2) Clubs and players are agreeing wage cuts, clubs and players are contributing financially, etc..}



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12 Mar 2020 10:42:01
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool Vs Atletico Match Review


1.) 12 Mar 2020 11:15:23
Thanks Seano. Great write up.

2.) 12 Mar 2020 11:23:28
Nice one Seano, thanks.

3.) 12 Mar 2020 11:23:53
Good read Seano. Can't really argue against any of that.

4.) 12 Mar 2020 11:39:11
I agree with that, though I would also add that Salah's touch let him down a few times where a little better control could have lead to an opportunity rather than the move breaking down, and maybe one or two shots he wasn't set right to take.

5.) 12 Mar 2020 12:03:39
Nice one, Seano. I know that right now the season may look like an anti-climax (and you address that brilliantly in your piece) but I only think it feels that way in the moment. IMO, 2 years ago after Kiev, I certainly did not think that a season where we win the PL by a stroll would be seen as an anti-climax. In fact, it would be seen as heaven esp. with the way we have won it and the quality we have shown since that CL defeat. Give it time, lads. It hurts now BUT come May (COV19 hopefully gone), we will paint Merseyside red with the partying we will be doing on that Open-Top Bus. Compelte pandemonium in the streets of LFC. Up Da Pool.

6.) 12 Mar 2020 13:14:55
Thanks Sean only had a brief read but if adrian get a 1 for not making the saves he should have why do Salah and manè get 7.5 and 8 for not scoring how many shots did they have to not score any between them when that's thier part to play if the game was put to bed by the strikers extra time wouldn't have happened I'm only playing devils advocate but you can't rate one person for not doing thier job but praise others for not doing thiers.

7.) 12 Mar 2020 13:36:59
@Berg Their job isn't only to score, I mean it's part of it, but they contributed so much more and played very well - not scoring a goal, when doing so many other positive things, is not a reason to rate them down so much. Adrian had next to nothing to do but did pretty much everything wrong, hence his ultra low rating.

8.) 12 Mar 2020 15:21:15
I get you mate I really do but as I said devils advocate.

9.) 12 Mar 2020 17:15:04
I agree, Adrian's 1 is harsh seano mate. He was poor but surely not as low as possible.

And I didn't think salah was that great. He got himself into good positions but wasted it every time. That can't be an 8 for me.

But I agree with everything else. Cheers for the write up.

10.) 12 Mar 2020 20:31:45
Robbie, Salah was brilliant even with 2/ 3 players around him snapping at his heels. Combined with Ox and TAA to a treat which allowed us the chance get space on the right and score both goals as both crosses came from the right side, where Salah patrols. He also drifted into the CF positing whenever Bobbie dropped deep which created more space for Ox and TAA to exploit. You're welcome.




24 Jan 2020 09:43:01
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Wolves vs Liverpool Review


1.) 24 Jan 2020 10:14:25
Good article Seano. Hendo our best player again as you said, playing the best football of his career. Several players were off the pace as you say but I thought OX was decent 4 is harsh. He played some quality forward balls especially first half, 6 for me. Allison's kicking best this season so deserved 8. Agree on Salah so selfish, if Mane was in those spaces he would have passed to him. The World club trip really freshened up Firmino and he has got his confidence back, quality goal again.

Agreed on Minamino we can't really be critical, I don't think he should have come on so early. What does that say to Origi? Minamino looked a bit lost in truth but probably shouldn't have been put in that position.

2.) 24 Jan 2020 10:22:52
I thought we played well and had we taken another chance or two we’d have been out of sight. Wolves are a really good side who use the entire pitch (a slow pitch btw) well. It’s always going to be difficult there. We clearly had a plan that was working and then we got a bit disjointed after Mane went off but then controlled the game again after Fabinho came on.

Other than Robbo having a shaky 10 mins vs Traore we did really well.

This team has so much character and the gears to overcome obstacles like no other i've seen.

3.) 24 Jan 2020 10:40:35
Salah's unwillingness to pass in and around the box is becoming a major issue. It looked to me that frustration with him was part of the issue with Mane last night. His decision to shoot instead of laying on the Ox was criminal.

4.) 24 Jan 2020 10:50:40
Good review Seano, I also agree with markp08, surely Origi was the one to replace Mane. It was an unnecessary baptism of fire for Minamino. That along with Fabinho being rusty when he came on and Traore causing Robertson untold problems made it an uncomfortable night. But we got there so full credit to them again. I thought a lot of players looked leggy which is understandable. I am assuming Klopp will rest all last night starters in FA cup, bar maybe Gomez. Dream season so far.

5.) 24 Jan 2020 11:38:55
Salah is a great but frustrating player at times, he occupies several opposition players at once with his skill and directness, which then leaves our attackers free but then undoes his good work by not passing to them. Frustrating at times but he is quality and like most strikers he is selfish.
I would never criticize Minamino as he needs time and that was a tough game to be thrown into. Winning when you are nowhere near your best is what top teams do.

6.) 24 Jan 2020 11:48:08
I know it may not be tactically the best approach but did anyone notice how hard Gini was pushing the press and the energy he had at the end of the match. Hendo epitomises and leads by example but Klopp has got all of them fighting to the last whistle. Brilliant to witness and a sign of how desperate they are to be successful.

7.) 24 Jan 2020 13:03:03
Thanks for the write up!

8.) 24 Jan 2020 13:12:47
I was another surprised that Minamino came on instead of Origi and agree that it doesn’t look good for him as he’s not exactly been getting much game time the last month or so. With regards to Mo he’s always been greedy and it’s a fine line for him. If he scores it’s forgotten about and if he doesn’t then the questions are raised. A prime example last night was For bobbys goal. At first I thought he was trying to do to much on the edge of the box with it and then it ends up in Bobbys path and he scores which then looks like What Mo did was magic. It’s a fine line but personally I wouldn’t want Mo to change at all.

9.) 24 Jan 2020 15:00:47
@Mark08 - I like Ox, and really don't have any interest in deriding our players, I just thought he had a really poor game. He did play a few decent forward passes first half but that was the limit of his contribution. He wasn't really breaking up or tackling, his pressing was ineffective, he just didn't get involved in the game in any meaningful way. Being moved out to the left second half certainly didn't help him either but he was hardly pulling up trees in the centre. I like the lad and hope he can rediscover his pre-injury form but, at the moment, it just isn't happening for him.

i personally had no issue with Minamino coming on as he has been bought, in part, as back up to the front 3, why not use him and see how he does. I thought he looked a little lost but that he handled the pressure realtively well - it's certainly a good baptism of fire for him and will go some way to helping him adjust to this league. Origi, I think, is best played down the middle, which makes it difficult to accommodate him when bobby is on the pitch as well - I assume that's why Minamino came on.

10.) 24 Jan 2020 15:04:53
@Greenflash - I tend to disagree with that 'strikers are selfish' mantra as I think really top strikers, for the most part, know when it's better to pass and when taking on a shot makes more sense. Not many forwards would would take on a shot into a crowd of defenders when they had a teammate free, certainly not three times in the same match. Salah's greed is overshadowing the positivity he does bring - as someone commented we could've had a far more comfortable lead had he decided to pass to team mates who are open. He needs to see the bigger picture, that it isn't all about him, and that ultimately what benefits the team is more important that personal glory. Mane is a shining example of this, in both his offensive play and his tracking back.

11.) 24 Jan 2020 15:13:19
I know Gomez pretty much always looks the better of our centre halves, you have to remember that is was his side that Traore was attacking most of the game and that lad had an outstanding performance.

If he can do that consistently, he's going to be one hell of a player.

12.) 24 Jan 2020 18:32:06
The ox was poor. He may have played some decent forward balls but he also played some really bad ones.

Salah got slated at the start of the season for not passing and he seemed to change tact, and we became much better. Seems the utd goal has blown his head up again. I hope klopp and Henderson have a word with him coz an in form salah who makes the right choices is a massive asset.

13.) 24 Jan 2020 18:41:58
Nah, traore was attacking down our left mostly. Mot the right.

14.) 24 Jan 2020 18:54:21
Seano, I never said all strikers, but I agree with everything you said about Salah, him taking wild shots surrounded by the opposition when Firminho or anyone else is unmarked, is so frustrating as he seems to want all the glory when it is about the team.
Had we drawn or even lost to Wolves, Salah would have taken a lot of criticizm. Yet on another day he plays for the team. A great player but I don't understand his thinking sometimes.

15.) 24 Jan 2020 19:17:11
I think the idea on taki coming on instead of big divock was theoretically the best idea so he could cover Robertson better (faster) tracking back than origi he has not built a rapor or understanding with the team yet he doesn't know where he fits in I expect him to improve massively over the coming months but he got a taste of the prem last night let's hope it makes him hungry for more.

16.) 24 Jan 2020 19:56:18
I can't remember the last time Henderson had a bad game.

17.) 24 Jan 2020 20:06:27
For that game, Minamino coming on made perfect sense. If Milner was fit I'd say he would have come on for Mane.

18.) 24 Jan 2020 20:29:21
I thought the turning point in the second half was when Fabinho came on. He's rusty, but he certainly seemed to settle things down in the midfield.

I also thought Gomez was excellent.

A question for those who might know, there was concern over how greedy Salah seemed. I'm just curious as to if he's encouraged to be by the coached. I liken it to shooters in basketball. The coaches tell them to be greedy at times. I'm just curious if there is any of that here given his goal record.

19.) 24 Jan 2020 21:23:16
It's worth having z go dbav, but when you see a team mate in space on the edge of the 6 yard box, you have to pass.

Bobby stopped passing so much to salah early in the season when he was being greedy, then mane wins African player of the year. Bobby's the key and our best attacking player.

20.) 25 Jan 2020 01:48:45
Mino comes on and we can switch to 442 in defence and 433 in attack. With origi it's just was the right shout.

21.) 25 Jan 2020 02:55:02
Fair enough Robbie. Can't say I disagree with you at all.



V.A.R. in the Headlines Again

30 Dec 2019 11:25:36
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, V.A.R. in the Headlines Again


1.) 30 Dec 2019 11:42:25
Good review of VAR, Seano. Another option would be to give teams two or three chances to refer decisions to a video ref. That way, if they are convinced a decision is incorrect, they have a limited number of chances to question it.

{Ed025's Note - thats just not cricket IDOG...well actually it is mate.. :)

2.) 30 Dec 2019 12:31:19
I think the problem with that is that it would take even longer and slow things down further. and there is still no guarantee the right decision will be reached.

3.) 30 Dec 2019 13:14:07
Agreed Seano, I was just suggesting another option. Personally, I don’t see any scenario that will guarantee correct decisions.
If VAR isn’t an upgrade on field refereeing, why implement it? It seems to be causing more controversy than the system it was brought in to replace.

4.) 30 Dec 2019 14:04:44
I completely agree Gini, it has made things worse. I don't think perfect decisions are possible (or should be the aim), there just needs to be consistency so that everyone is on a level playing field. Right now it is miles away from consistent and it effects everyone. That City goal yesterday really summed up both the awful standard of officiating and the absolute rank incompetency of VAR when it failed to overturn it - why even have VAR when it cannot even correctly overrule a blatantly incorrect decision? As others have said it seems to be about protecting referees and their incompetence more than anything else.

5.) 30 Dec 2019 14:20:06
We were discussing this yesterday Seano, at the game and then in the pub afterwards. again. It doesn't work, there is no consistency in the application so why not simplify it. For offsides if your foot is on side it stands, any other part of your body is often being used to propel yourself forward so shouldn't come into it. mane's hip a few weeks ago as he arched to head it, firmino's arm. even sterling's hand at the beginning of the season.

Similarly, for handball if it's used to control the ball to derive an advantage, blow the whistle. Using last night's game as an example, salah was deemed to have handled - it hit his mid riff, TAA handled, he fell, ball bounced up and hit him whilst his two hands were on the floor. It was ridiculous. Needs simplifying and a big screen like in the rugby to be used. Simple and effective.

6.) 30 Dec 2019 15:13:10
I would change the rule where if the attacker is marginal did he score with the body part that was offside. If he did no goal if he didn't then let it stand.

7.) 30 Dec 2019 15:32:35
They're all reasonable suggestions Robert, meaning the FA will likely never implement them. I think marginal offside decisions should just defer to the original decision made by the linesman - for handballs if any advantage is gained, accidental or otherwise, penalize it. It simplifies it and everyone knows where they stand - players might bemoan a penalty decision in which they accidentally handle the ball, but they will at least know why a penalty was awarded, and will expect a similar consequence for the opposition should a similar thing happen. Every single incident seems to be officiated slightly differently, which has caused massive confusion and frustration, and has left some teams with a very bitter taste in their mouths. I think Sheffield United have had some really rough luck - it's just as well they are doing well, if they were in a real dog fight these things could be the difference between relegation and survival.

8.) 30 Dec 2019 18:18:07
But going back to the onfield officials decisions, aren't linesmen now meant to keep their flags down if it's a close call and let the miracle of VAR sort out the fine details. 🤔.



02 Aug 2019 07:24:36
I know clubs have their own colours, especially for home kits, so manufacturers are guided by these to an extent - with away and 3rd kits much less so - but I was wondering how much creative control, if any, does a club have over the kit design. Kit manufacturers are paying huge sums of money to, well, manufacture so I was wondering how much input, if any, clubs have over the design of their kits. Does it vary from manufacturer to manufacturer? Do some clubs request more control over design than others? Has a club ever completely rejected a design for a kit? I'm just curious, any information would be appreciated.


1.) 02 Aug 2019 14:15:00
Unless you're Jorge Campos, I expect the design to be pretty much decided by the manufacturers. Perhaps colours or "do not use such and such a design" might be part of it for bigger clubs, but considering all shirts look the same these days, I expect it's mainly the manufacturer's designs that are used.

Good question though, and my reply is only opinion, I don't actually know the truth, other than that Jorge Campos designed some awful goalie shirts in his time!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs always have the opportunity to reject designs put to them - one notable Englsh side rejected an Adidas magenta/deep pink away kit about five years ago. Given the trend for having pictures as part of the design now I am surprised more don't get rejected.}

2.) 03 Aug 2019 03:32:37
We always seemed to use a mix of white yellow and green as colours but as late we have black purple orange grey blue designs. I prefer the tradition of away kits being rotated from the yellow green or white designs from the historic kits in our past. We used blue for the first time a couple of years ago, didn't like it. We're the reds, Everton are the blues.




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22 Dec 2019 14:22:56
I really like what I have seen of Foden, definitely looks like he could be top class. I'd be surprised to see City pay that much for Havertz when other areas of their squad (defence) seem in greater need of investment. Perhaps they can afford it all but, even for a club with their spending power, I'd think it unlikely they could get the defensive quality they need and fork out for Havertz. Info is interesting though ed, thanks.




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12 Dec 2019 16:05:47
Do the club make that back? I thought the idea of Nike paying us loads of money to manufacture jerseys was so that they could make money off of selling them? If we make money off of the sales as well why are Nike even bothering? Or are there percentages to this i. e. Nike gets 80% of the profit, Liverpool 20%, or something like this?


{Ed002's Note - Just ignore all of the numbers.}



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30 Aug 2019 10:53:27
That sort of sentimental decision-making is what has got United stuck with absolute mediocrity in Solskjaer. I am hoping, when the time comes, that the club are smart enough to make a decision based on rational thinking and coaching quality, not on emotion and nostalgia.




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17 Aug 2019 19:42:26
Not the point 1jj, fans acting like arses should be punished by the club as a deterrent for other arses. It's sad that they need to do that but it seems it's the only thing within their mandate to do.




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17 Aug 2019 04:11:07
Maybe WYRed but what about the Norwich game and City game one of our fans invaded the pitch then? This is clearly not an isolated incident and is something the club should clamp down on - tired of idiots ruining it for other and now, in this case, potentially ruining it for an actual player.





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04 Apr 2020 16:13:02
So far as I can see the only reason to do it is greed. Very tone deaf from the club but in keeping with a pretty abysmal response from the Premier League generally, from players discussing a 30% cut - now they'll only be paid the annual salary of two nurses rather than three, boohoo - to the likes of Andros Townsend calling players 'easy targets', a man who gambled 46k with a few clicks of a phone.

A really appalling response so far - say what you like about the player but Ronaldo has been throwing money about left, right, and center back in Portugal to try and help people out during this crisis - a lot of players in the UK need to self reflect a little, realise how unbelievably fortunate they are, and perhaps give a little back to the community that pays their wages. The game is so morally vacuous it makes me sick.


{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that seano..



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04 Apr 2020 15:47:49
You're right Ed, I was just hoping Liverpool would actually set a good example, sadly they haven't. I know football is a business but I thought it was supposed to stand for something more - obviously not.


{Ed025's Note - i does look that way seano, im sure they could stretch to looking after the guys and gals who keep the place running, even if its at the expense of the players who lets be honest can afford it mate..



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12 Mar 2020 13:36:59
@Berg Their job isn't only to score, I mean it's part of it, but they contributed so much more and played very well - not scoring a goal, when doing so many other positive things, is not a reason to rate them down so much. Adrian had next to nothing to do but did pretty much everything wrong, hence his ultra low rating.




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01 Mar 2020 02:21:57
Couldn't agree more ED, exactly what I was saying on the live chat that Lovren was being scapegoated despite everybody playing awfully. Some posters said he was to blame for all 3 goals? Ludicrous.


{Ed001's Note - this is the problem, people need to blame someone for some reason. They were all poor and he was just one of 14, but he was targeted before kick off and then afterwards it was like they are all desperate to pin the blame on him for 13 other players failing to turn up!}



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26 Feb 2020 01:16:00
He hasn't done enough of anything to really warrant staying - if a replacement can be found, and him sold, then it would be better for the club. Who would actually be worth signing is another question though, maybe Aouar from Lyon if the price wasn't exorbitant?