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26 Sep 2016 11:15:28
Talking on sky now of Liverpool could be better if we were spending more money because we were 7th highest spenders in the summer. Love how they ignore years of spending well over 100million and still having 50 odd players in our squad.


1.) 26 Sep 2016 12:19:22
Ya but is not 100 million if your selling 75mil player or a 50mil player.

2.) 26 Sep 2016 12:21:39
Why anyone watches that rubbish I don't know.

3.) 26 Sep 2016 13:45:42
Why wouldn't we? It's good, entertaining, and informative. Sheds light between the real stories and the crap you read on Facebook pages. Plus they where talking very positively about Liverpool and said, imagine if Juergen klopp had spent the same amount as the other big clubs how much better Liverpool would be doing compared to the likes of city. They where complementing us for being at the same standard without having to spend rediculous amounts.

4.) 26 Sep 2016 15:22:04
Spending more money wouldn't have made any difference, it's about getting the right players in, not the most expensive ones.

5.) 26 Sep 2016 15:52:30
It isn't really about how much a player cost, but if he fits to how you play and does he improve the team. Carol and Mane cost near the same amount but you can see the difference on the pitch. Matip was free, karious relatively cheap, and same with both couts and sturridge.

Alternatively Bony cost city a fortune, Torres ŵas a record signing, and di maria was near world record signing. All good players but didn't fit how the teams play.

6.) 26 Sep 2016 20:09:13
They actually showed that Klopp is 9m in profit since he came to Liverpool.

7.) 26 Sep 2016 22:30:38
Couldn't agree more mikey.

8.) 26 Sep 2016 23:13:24
If it is about spending less and achieving more than nobody does it than messr wenger and arsenal. They been doing it year in year out. Only recently wenger went on splurge.

9.) 27 Sep 2016 02:45:30
Arsenals wage bill is about 30 million quid a year higher than Liverpool's.

10.) 27 Sep 2016 05:23:41
This is why ed002 tells us to forget about the money. We haven't got a clue. 😄
In reality, I'm sure LFC are not 'in profit' since Klopp arrived.

11.) 27 Sep 2016 02:43:08
Ed02 has said we did not make a profit.

12.) 29 Sep 2016 21:37:41
I never understand why people talk about net spend, regardless of the amount you sell for, the amount you buy the players for remains, how much you get for a player has no bearing on the players you bring in, I'll never understand why there's a focus on net spend when justifying transfers.

13.) 01 Oct 2016 02:40:13
Let's not forget the other fees involved in transfers either. Signing, legal etc. Plus wages, bonuses etc. The transfer fees are just a headline figure.



10 Dec 2015 16:33:33
Ed001 I was just wondering if you have heard from anything from someone in around the club about klopps and the clubs thoughts on benteke. I've heard so many opinions from pundits mates people on here etc. But bar a few words after games and the likes haven't really heard anything overly positive or negative towards him from the club.
Or anyone else that has an insight please share! Squaretomatoe if you're about try even get Gomez' opinion! Haven't heard anything about him in a while back either so hopefully his recovery is going well!


{Ed001's Note - he dropped him for big games, that is all you need to know of what he thinks about him. Benteke needs to convince him that he is the right man to lead the line, but he is not doing so.}

1.) 10 Dec 2015 17:14:31
I was more along the lines of he was still coming back to fitness and was easing him back. I still remain hopeful though as I really think with a solid run of games he could really hit form shame that at the mo is every game is quite vital.

{Ed001's Note - he was fit but left out.}

2.) 10 Dec 2015 21:28:31
I said last season befor we signed benteke he's not what we need and didn't see why we wanted him and everyone told me he's amazing. No doubt he's got something but for me he doesn't fit us. i would rather see ings up top. I wouldn't mind benteke coming good as it means for once we haven't waisted loads of money but he just doesn't fit into how we play.

3.) 10 Dec 2015 22:49:29
I'd say it was more his attitude than his ability to fit in. just my opinion of what I have seen so far from him.

4.) 10 Dec 2015 22:54:10
He still has a place. Great impact sub, and he should have more use in a games where we have more possession and not much space. Firmino or Sturridge are definitely the better choice in bigger games.

5.) 10 Dec 2015 23:01:47
From a purely "our style of play", Ings and Origi are better any day of the week (Sturridge included, when he's willing to play) . Not slating Benteke, but just don't see crosses coming in to him for various reasons. And i don't see him scoring goals other than through crosses. He's simply not gelling with Firmino and Lallana.

6.) 10 Dec 2015 23:04:33
So 32m for an impact sub . Money well spent again. I don't doubt that in the right team and system he would be a good player I just unfortunately don't think that it is with us . Hope he proves me wrong but he takes away the best qualities of firmino coutinho etc with his lack of movement.

7.) 11 Dec 2015 00:17:58
Agree squizza, IMO we mistakenly persevered with big men under Rogers due to him trying to reform the side into a 4-3-3 (Balo, Lambert, Benteke) however what we really needed was a Lacazette, Aubemeyang type player to replace Suarez.

I don't mind having a big man in the squad as a plan B option, but with Sturridge struggling for fitness we need our backup to be able to fit Klopp's high energy system otherwise we'll struggle to find any sort of consistency or style. We need Benteke to adapt quickly.

Ings must be doubly kicking himself. Such a shame he got injured!

8.) 11 Dec 2015 05:20:55
Bang on with this post again, Zimbo.

I don't mind Benteke as an impact sub, to mix things up.

But our best attack, is when we keep the ball on the floor, and play it out the back and through the middle; triangles, pressing, counter-pressing.

I'm literally going to jump off a peer if I have to read another opinion piece from some 1980s era player claiming we need to "service" Benteke and "play to his strengths" by crossing in balls from out wide.

May as well sell Coutinho now, and get it over with.

9.) 11 Dec 2015 09:06:32
If you look it up, there are videos of Benteke showing great movement, so I think he is capable. When we bought him there were no established, seasoned strikers available, really. Lots of teams had issues in signing strikers. Look at United paying over the odds for Martial - maybe that will work out better for them than Benteke will for us but at the time we all had a good laugh.

We all know how we struggled last season without enough goal scorers, and how players like Sterling were slotted in to play that role. I think Benteke was a gamble that may or may not yet pay off.

In the lead up to him signing, there were voices of dissent, and concern chiefly over his motivation and disinclination to run. Watching him now, he looks out of his depth in some ways, but that may be because the fast paced style requiring him to run doesn't suit him. That said there have been some great moments and some cracking goals.

Maybe he will adjust, maybe we will take a £15m loss when he moves on. Time will tell. Like many on here, I am hoping for the best but am reserving judgement.

10.) 11 Dec 2015 09:32:25
This whole idea of "impact sub that offers something different" never works and doesn't exist. What people seem to fail to realise is that if you purchase and play a striker that does not fit in with the already established system, ie pressing counter attacking, then that means your are going to have to run training sessions throughout the week to inform the team how you want them to play when one individual player is introduced. This means trying to coach a team on two completely different systems week in week out which just doesn't work.

There are other nock on effects as well as you've also got to buy other enabling players to incorporate that individual striker, ie traditional wingers to cross (we only have Ibe) . Just lumping on benteke into a 4-3-3 with either lallana, Coutinhou, firmino, sturridge or Ings wouldn't work as there would be no service. This is exactly what we're seeing now, what we saw with lambert and also carrol.

Its good to have different options but these need to be able to play in the already established system. Having a striker that requires a completely different set up and system just doesn't work and never will!

11.) 11 Dec 2015 10:01:00
A few years ago we were moaning that we could it mix it up, now we have that options we are moaning again. I didn't just say he was in impact sub, but we can't always break down teams that sit deep and try and hit us on the counter, benteke would be a better option for these games than firmino up front.

12.) 11 Dec 2015 15:06:20
Benteke has a goal record of one in 2.
An incredible record, but, as I mentioned before he signed, he will probably score you 5 goals in 2 games and then go 8 games without a goal and without really looking a threat.
Looks like he is still repeating the same trick at LFC.

13.) 11 Dec 2015 18:01:29
Does anyone have an idea about what will happen with Balotelli? Will we sell at the end of his loan or will Klopp want to check him out?
Under Klopp he may better or not, I know he has attitude problems etc and I am not saying I want him back or not - it is simply a fact we still own him.
Eds do you know anything about the plans for him?

{Ed001's Note - he is up for sale.}

14.) 12 Dec 2015 07:14:15
Thank you Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - you are welcome.}

15.) 12 Dec 2015 12:08:54
Ed what's your opinion on ings, providing he comes back from the injury as the same player so to speak, would you see him as the main striker, personally I think he will be great for us.

{Ed001's Note - not main no. Works hard, was growing into the team but he is not that top class striker like Sturridge is.}

16.) 12 Dec 2015 12:32:02
Cheers mate.



12 Sep 2015 09:00:02
Hey think this could be one for ed002 if you don't want to answer/get into it I completely understand and no need to post if you don't feel either!
Well with all the commercialism in football now and new tv deal etc I was wondering what the future holds and do you see in the future clubs essentially privatizing broadcasting of games? Especially if the European league breaks out or would this go against whatever regulations are in place? I know barca and Madrid are the famous examples of negotiating their own deal but could we see the day for example where lfc tv have the sole broadcasting rights to Liverpool games and a subscription/ pay per view model put in place?

Secondly if the above is not feasible as I feel it probably wouldn't be what would happen in terms of broadcasting were a European league to break out. Would all clubs negotiate privately ala Madrid and Barcelona or would their again be fixed broadcasting in place or is this a bridge that will be crossed closer to the time?
Finally is there a large disparity between deals barca and Madrid have in place and the new premier league tv deal or is this gap being closed?
Sorry again if you don't want to get into!
Regards, Shane


{Ed002's Note - Here you go Shane. We will put it on the transfer page as the rest of the Liverpool posts will be likely going to the "Other" page again today.

(1) To some extent this would be dependent on when the pan-European League happens. At a recent meeting in Monaco a proposal by two clubs to begin in 2018 only received support from one other side – the others in general voted against it with either one or two abstaining. This though may simply have been posturing as they look to a more realistic date of 2022. Because of the World Cup and the general mess with high-end sponsors related to the WC and on-going issues at FIFA, the original pencilled in date of 2027 is back on the table. There will be a couple more meetings this season. A date has been set in April and I rather suspect that the clubs involved in these discussions will look for another meeting in mid-December. Do not under estimate the value of foreign television money to the European leagues.

(2) There is every likelihood that the big money from television, other media, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. As a result there would certainly be a step change in the way clubs capture their media income. Two EPL clubs (Arsenal and Liverpool) have already investigated, and probably continue to investigate, the streaming type options for games. Whilst they cannot do it in real-time right now, in the future the chance may well be there to do that. Both clubs have media exploitation expertise within their existing senior management structures – but both will also be aware of the damage being done to the clubs by the illegal “free” internet providers. So in the longer term, I would think that there will be more options to watch games live – either through existing/revised media deals or through the clubs providing that service themselves. In all probability it would be far more cost effective and beneficial to do it through the likes of a television company, perhaps as a partner. Clubs on their own do not have the broadcast capabilities, nor equipment and facilities necessary to do this easily on their own and it would seem likely they would seek a media partner rather than go in to the broadcasting business.

(3) The television deals in Spain have been renegotiated and eventually if nothing changes then the gap between what Real Madrid and Barcelona have in income and the English sides will disappear. However, regardless of the new agreement kicking in during next season in Spain, there is a caveat that means all sides will earn at least what they did last season (it might be this season, I would need to check) for six more seasons – this was reluctantly accepted by the other clubs simply to push through the deal. However, the only clubs protected by it are the only two that would potentially lose money – Real Madrid and Barcelona.

(4) Meetings have been held including representatives of the French FFF and Spanish RFEF to discuss their concerns over the new EPL television deal and the deal Real Madrid and Barcelona has in Spain. They approached UEFA with a view to capping TV/media income in the same way as commercial sponsorship for the purposes of FFP. No resolution is in place. This upsets EPL clubs, Real Madrid and Barcelona. The others will get support from other nations such as Germany and the Netherlands should they ask for it – and even Italy which has the second highest income but a rupturing financial structure for all but 6 or 8 sides. The further complication relates to what happens when the breakaway clubs run for the pan-European league. The Spanish club know that opens up the Real Madrid and Barcelona second string sides to La Liga - so they want assurances that they can only use the extant stadia, and not the main stadia, and the television rights will then be shared equally - regardless (the agreed plan right now is not dissimilar to the English deal for their National income which are divided (1) 50% equally between clubs, (2) 25% for those clubs hosting live matches, (3) 25% based on performance (league position). The international broadcast monies are divided (3) 100% equally between the clubs.. This has been raised in a meeting of the breakaway sides in Monte Carlo last year with UEFA present and an unbiased journalist sat in to moderate - at the agreement of all parties. It remains partially resolved only.

From this you may just be able to figure out the names of the two clubs looking to accelerate the pan-European league breakaway.

I hope this helps.}



26 Jul 2014 08:40:29
I'm not one for rumours but here we go I have one this morning!
I was in the car going to the shop for milk just there when I stopped at the lights.

Some builders were making a proper cycle lane but one of them saw all the Liverpool stuff around the car.

He came over going "waheyyyyy what happened last year mate? Now we've got the second coming with Sanchez"! Then he started yelling "gooners" over and over.

Then however he goes "still snapping you're getting the Nancy boy from Dortmund with the stupid hair" "'reus?" Says me "aye yeah he'll be there by the end of next week"

So I just drove off lights had been green for a while at this point sure!

Make of it what you will wether you trust a bald gooner or not is up to you ;)


1.) Yay a rumour! I don't believe it but at least its a rumour. Its a rumours site mate, just make stuff up and post it. Makes a change from question time for the eds

2.) 26 Jul 2014 10:41:12
Coutinho needs some competition for this year's Raul Meireles Horrible Haircut trophy

3.) True or not this is a boss rumour

4.) And the moral of this story is don't trust a bald builder.

5.) Obviously this is not a legitimate rumor although it is based on a true story (I actually went to the shop for bread).

I was just soo bored with no rumors so thought this might inspire some!

6.) Brilliant!

7.) All rumours are legitimate, just some are less reliable than others. This is no less reliable than 90% of those twitter rumours!



06 Jul 2014 20:36:46
O jogo now saying markovic will undergo a medical this week. this story really picking up life. hope he does well if we do sign him. as I've said I'm not to sure on him!


1.) Jesus you better tell Brendon quick mate

2.) Not to sure what you're implying there mate? I'm entitled to an opinion on a player I haven't slated him like most do here with players and I've said I'll gladly support him and hope for the best but just think he's a bit of a risk.




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07 Feb 2018 15:13:45
On navas reading from a thread below anyone watch real madrid regularly and notice anything about him?

I haven't seen Madrid regularly since he joined really apart from games when he first started and I seem to remember, one, he does not like to catch the ball, electing to punch most of the time.

He didn't seem to be too great at punching crosses and is quite small for a keeper if I'm not mistaken aswell. This concerns me greatly as I believe we need a calming presence in goals who can simply catch the ball and relieve any pressure on the defence. Obviously some may say, but if my memory is right on navas I think he would struggle in the premier league with crosses in general but especially in our team where that is the main form of offense against us for most teams.

So do I have cause for concern? Have I got this quite wrong on Navas or has he improved if I am right? I'm sure many more informed on here will let me know! Cheers all!


1.) 07 Feb 2018 15:33:00
Navas is a shockingly bad keeper, we would do well to avoid him. He’s poor on crosses and is a poor shot stopper. One to avoid.

2.) 07 Feb 2018 19:00:05
OP, I have watched Navas for the past two seasons and frankly, he has not improved. He is a brilliant shot stopper BUT lacks command of his box and is not the best on crosses. I would stick with Karius (provided he comes good ) if I had to choose.



20 Jan 2018 08:11:19
Read through the karius v mignolet posts below and some good stats and arguments there. For me though it comes down to.

Mignolet has had 7876543 games for us (I know seems a lot) and hasn't improved one iota! Nor do I think I've seen him go one game without mishitting a kick for a throw in (personal hate of mine) . Either way my point is he's had his chance.

So to the people supporting karius of which I'm one. it is more that at least he has potential to improve. He had one run lost all confidence and should this season (unbeaten and involved in a couple 7-0s ) . So hopefully now he can kick on and then we either get a keeper in the summer or don't.

Is it the end of the world? No! I genuinely believe we'd make top 4 with me in net til the end of the season so I don't think it's the biggest issue in the world.


1.) 20 Jan 2018 10:05:53
100% agree all this malarky that Karius is 10x worse than Mignolet etc is rubbish!

yes he has had his issues but now he is No1 we support him for these 6 months. imagine if instead of any boo's and abuse hurled at him, he had his name sung at Anfield show him the support he deserves.

Robertson recently came out and said that the feeling of hearing his name being sung gave him goosebumps, imagine the adrenaline and positive impact this is having on his game!

he may not be David de Gea, but he is our Karius and he is our goalkeeper, our let's give him the bloody support he needs give him the confidence to show how good a keeper he really can be!


{Ed025's Note - he needs a clean sheet SR, if he got that and made a couple of decent saves and dealt well with the odd cross then im sure the crowd would get behind him mate..

2.) 20 Jan 2018 10:29:16
I agree he needs a clean sheet in both aspects! people are wanting him to falter so they have something to moan about.

As we all agree the issue he has is that most of the games he has played he has been a spectator so hasn't really been able to show him self.

I am judging him from now until the end of the season.

It may be unlikely but i think for all parties it is best that Mignolet goes this window. he needs a clean sheet as well, can't fault the guy just unfortunately not got the level of quality we need to move to the next level.

3.) 20 Jan 2018 10:38:42
Over 7million games how long has he been here?
Do you mean minutes?

4.) 20 Jan 2018 10:48:51
We should really get behind karius. Just to grab his arms and make him grab the ball.

5.) 20 Jan 2018 13:06:13
The problem with both keepers is that i can't remember either of them keeping us in a game with top saves that might earn us 3 points or even a draw. I don't think either of them come for crosses that well, don't command their area or speak to their defence that much. So yes, maybe it is time for Karius to have another go, he couldn't do much worse, right? Yet Karius has a long way to go before he is "that" keeper we really need. In my opinion he won't be good enough, he just doesn't look that confident to me in any shape or form.

6.) 20 Jan 2018 14:24:56
Agreed Irish. It seems only time we don't concede from a clear chance for the opposition is when they miss. That may or may not be down to the keepers, depending on the situation, but I have little confidence if someone has a clear shot regardless.

I hope to goodness Karius comes good with a run of games. We could do with not having to spend a hefty chunk on a keeper. I can't see that not happening though and if we do manage to get a top player between the sticks, it could make a vital difference next season.



30 Aug 2017 08:37:37
Ed001 at some stage (add to your to do list) could I request a report on imo the three superstars of tomorrow in mbappe neymar and assensio.

I just watched Madrid Valencia and seriously assensio is silly good forget the fact I've never seen someone hit a ball so easily from 40 yards that nearly breaks the net but his touch control dribbling and passing is pushing messi standard for me.

What are others opinions having seen a lot of neymar assensio and a little of mbappe I put mbappe currently at the bottom but huge potential and while I think neymar could be the most effective player I seriously just smile watching assensio!


{Ed001's Note - ok mate added them to the to do list.}

1.) 30 Aug 2017 09:30:28
Appreciated sir, enjoy the last day of the window hopefully the Liverpool fan in you will be smiling even if working you is not!

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed!}



25 Jul 2017 08:37:17
Wrote a lil diddle looking for people's opinions.
Written to Jimmy's winning matches which hopefully people will know from donegals run to the all Ireland few years back!

He's came from Germany, out to the Mersey
And he's going to win the title just you wait and see
Cuz we'll beat City men we'll beat Chelsea men
We'll beat anyone that stops us on our title run

It's destiny it's not just written in the sand
He's got a plan yes he's no lucky lucky man

Ohh klopp is winning matches
Klopp is winning games
Klopp is going to bring us back to the top again

Ohh klopp is winning matches
Klopp is winning games
Klopp is going to bring us back to them glory days

He's not from Italy he's from Germany
And if you want the best players he's the man to see
Cuz we got coutinho
We got firmino
We got salah and mane and georginio


We'll win the fa cup
We'll win the league cup
And if that wasn't enough we'll win the Euro Cup
Cuz we'll score more than you
We'll beat you black and blue
And you know that it's a fact that we will never lose.

Chorus and out!


1.) 25 Jul 2017 10:40:49

2.) 25 Jul 2017 10:47:26
you don't have a girlfriend do you?



24 Jul 2017 08:10:53
20 million squids for dembele off Celtic? That's about the first fair price of the summer if I'm honest. Surprised bigger sides than Marseille are not having a look at that price.


1.) 24 Jul 2017 09:30:58
It's a risk as he is playing in a poor standard league, Scott Sinclair is having a field day in that league!
I would say that it's about right.

2.) 24 Jul 2017 10:19:06
Sinclair would have made it in EPL too if MC hadn't stopped his development. That many goals even in SPL is impressive at an age were he will get better. If we didn't have Divock and Dom he'd be a good option. Were stacked for potential 🤞.




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17 Jun 2018 09:19:39
Classic case of being put in the shop window.




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02 Jun 2018 12:23:04
Allisson has now personally visited anfield twice in a couple months.

No smoke without fire boys.




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08 Dec 2017 08:42:53
Just out of curiosity is a pre contract agreement completely binding or can either party pull out?
Not saying for can but in general can you have turn arounds where either the team pulls out or the player decides to sign a new contract at home or elsewhere?


{Ed001's Note - yes it has happened in the past but there are penalties to be paid.}



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08 Sep 2017 10:33:08
Might not satisfy short term but long term gives them all chances to impress in various comps and hopefully look to stake a claim that we have a legitimate first choice keeper toward the end of this going into next season.


{Ed002's Note - Actually it continues to smack of someone who doesn't know what he is doing but is too arrogant to accept he needs help on the defensive side.}



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31 Jul 2017 11:25:35
Well played ash!





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06 May 2019 09:31:09
If Leicester get something does it change our team for Barcelona? In reality I do not think Klopp would ever think like that but I don't think I would be alone in suggesting if Leicester do us a favour tonight I would be quite happy to let Barcelona have a training match against just Mignolet.




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01 May 2019 08:43:53
Just wanted to say thank you for your consistent insight and knowledge you share Ed. I've tried to explain some of the issues you've brought up before such as the breakdown of actual fees as opposed to just a transfer fee and also the differences in contract clauses and who they may apply to.

Most throw it to the side or do not understand, but I thought I'd take this chance to say I sincerely appreciate it and you and ed001 have expanded my knowledge of the game no end!

Have a great day and enjoy the match if you're going to be watching!


{Ed002's Note - Thanks Shane, you enjoy your day as well. And good luck with the match.}



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01 May 2019 08:40:03
Morning Ed, big day obviously!

As an aside was talking to a couple of the lads in Holland I know who are Ajax fans before the game yesterday. They were all adamant that the introduction of the B side system in Dutch football that was introduced 5 odd years ago played a huge factor. In that this side have got to play competitive level football together and progress together. I was interested to hear your thoughts on this as if I remember rightly you were strongly opposed to it in the context of Spain when it was brought up previously.

Have a great day mate and obviously enjoy the game tonight.


{Ed001's Note - it works for the big teams but it destroys it for the smaller teams. So I am still opposed to it. It is not what football should be about. And it is nothing to do with that anyway. It is two things - one they brought in some experience to help the youngsters. Secondly the manager is exceptional. Ajax are not that good in terms of the players, those young players are not fit to lace the boots of the likes of Kluivert, in terms of individual ability. Ten Hag should be getting praised to the rafters.}



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30 Apr 2019 09:55:18
Are PSG still happy with him Ed? I haven't seen anything much if what they've had to say on the matter? Is he still as you said "untouchable"?


{Ed001's Note - Neymar? Yes Neymar is. Tuchel, on the other hand, was already on the verge of a swift goodbye anyway.}



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30 Apr 2019 09:51:19
Haven't watched much Barcelona this season, but Ed, does Alba still leave acres down our right side when he attacks? Do Barcelona have someone to cover these spaces? Even in the United game which I watched there was space down both flanks. Surely this sets up well for our counter press and will be our main target?


{Ed001's Note - yes he does attack and leave a huge gap. Their central defenders and Busquets lack any kind of mobility, as Umtiti never plays any more, so there is plenty of space to be got at. If Spanish teams stop fearing them and took the game to them, they would not walk the league. Their defence is amongst the worst I have seen and they lack the passers they once had. Lots of ball carriers but only Messi has the vision and passing range to play the Barca way.}