Liverpool Rumours Member Posts

 

Sl09's Profile

Current Avatar:
Sl09's Avatar



Sl09's Posts and Other Poster's Replies To Sl09's Posts

 

 

To Sl09's last 5 banter posts

 

To Sl09's last 5 rumour replies

 

To Sl09's last 5 banter replies

 

Sl09 has no Rumours Posts

 

 

Sl09's banter posts with other poster's replies to Sl09's banter posts

 

03 Jul 2023 13:13:35
There is a lot of chat at the moment on here talking about us getting one more mid, possibly two and a CB. Ed002 did mention a possible GK too but we won't worry about that too much for now.

I'm wondering if reality is that we may not go for another MF and actually sit with what we have now.

Looking at it, with the players we have, I can see is with variety now in a few different set ups. But to fit all our stars into one team currently. I can see a 4-2-4 being adopted.

Usual back 4, with TAA being allowed to roam when in possession. Which allows DS to push further forward. Mac will be like the engine to run the mid, with TAA, DS and Gapko all around to overload the midfield.

So midfield is Mac and DS.

Then 4 forwards in a mini diamond style, Diaz left, salah right, gapko CAM, Darwin Striker.

This formation has huge fluidity, Diaz and Salah can track but so can mac and DS. So there is plenty of legs in the setup both in possession and out. Darwin would always be your presser from the front but also lurking for through balls to run onto. Gapko is our new Bobby and will just run and press from any position as we saw of him and he is happy to do the dirty work.

It does seem that we are trying to bring in energy players with legs to play the old style of hard pressing.

But on the basis of this, we are without fab and hendo in the line up.

So it's a sacrifice of a midfielder for an attacker but in Gapko. He is a type of hybrid player in that role.

What are others thoughts on this formation/ setup? Or do we think another MF is coming in possibly Thurman or Lavia, which would likely mean we want to stick with the hybrid role for TAA still. But have less in the attack. I'm just wondering how we intend to setup this season. We know loads of rotation will happen anyway so interesting to hear others on this.

Sl09

1.) 03 Jul 2023 13:52:50
Personally I would go with a 3-2-3-2 formation. We have a lot of games coming up next season due to Europa Cup so all players would get plenty of game time. Rotation would be key next season.

GK - Allison 



LCB - Mickey Van De Ven

CB - VVD

RCB - Konate



LDM - Thuram

RDM - Lavia



LCM - Mac Allister 

CM - Dominik Szoboszlai

RCM - Trent 


LFW - Nunez 

RFW - Salah

In other games go with…

GK - Allison 



LCB - Mickey Van De Ven

CB - VVD

RCB - Gomez 



LDM - Baj

RDM - Lavia



LCM - Diaz 

CM - Mac Allister

RCM - Dominik Szoboszlai 



LFW - Gakpo (Dropping Behind Salah) 

RFW - Salah.

In other games go with…

GK - Allison 



LCB - Robbo

CB - Mickey Van De Ven

RCB - Konate



LDM - Thurman

RDM - Baj



LCM - Diaz 

CM - Jones

RCM - Trent 



LFW - Nunez 

RFW - Dominik Szoboszlai (Dropping Behind Nunez)

I’m sure there are endless other possibilities in terms of personnel changes with this formation but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.


2.) 03 Jul 2023 14:20:16
Nice to see you posting Cuz :)


3.) 03 Jul 2023 18:03:02
personally think these options could be really good for the squad balance:

1. It should get the most from Trent
2. I think this lineup will suit Nunez's strengths
3. It favours Salah getting into more central areas
4. It see's Baj getting some essential playing time and experience in a role he won't be too caught out and isolated

I think Elliot would also benefit playing CM (behind the strikers) and would allow Jones to get more forward in more threatening positions where he thrives.


4.) 03 Jul 2023 18:36:28
Imagine if Curtis reached that potential next season that we all hoped he’d be at by now.
We’d have a seriously creative midfield with many many options!
Still short in DM in my opinion but the balance now is way better than last season.


5.) 03 Jul 2023 18:43:37
I think these tactics are over thought lads. In my opinion it'll just be the same system we ended the season with. 3-2-5 or 3-2-2-3 (however you want to describe it) with Trent playing as a hybrid right back. If we did no more business my money would be on

Diaz, Gakpo, Salah
Szoboszlai, Mac Allister
Fabinho, (Trent)
Robbo, Virgil, Konate, (Trent)
Ali

It's when Trent doesn't play we'll have to try something else but that's for Klopp to figure out. Bradley and Gomez don't have the skillset on paper to play a hybrid RB/ DM role.


6.) 03 Jul 2023 19:35:16
MK. So you want Fab screening the defence? Main problem we had last season was the back line had zero protection and the team had no creativity from middle of the park. Thankfully Klopp is solving or solved the creativity part. And is rumoured to be after both Thuram and Lavia for the back line protection DM roles. Trent should be relieved off defensive duties. He is a world class attacker and creator so let him be that. Let’s actually play to the players strengths. Of course press as a team but to follow your line of thinking with over thinking things - let the attacking midfielders attack and the two DM’s offer protection to the back line. One things for certain is the backline cannot be over exposed as the were time and time again last season.


7.) 03 Jul 2023 22:07:29
I don't want Fabinho to be first choice anymore, no. I wanted Neves but turns out his only driving ambition is money! My other choice was Rabiot and he's signing a new deal at Juve.

Not sure who i want now. Never seen Kone or Thuram play. I don't see Lavia as an upgrade on Fabinho or even Morton to be honest. Bajcetic is not ready physically and rarely even played DM last season.

I only put Fabinho because as it stands right now he is our best option. I'm hoping we can get a DM over the line before next season though. Thuram seems most likely so hopefully he's as good as people say!

I liked Trent where he finished last season to be honest mate; hybrid RB/ DM. I think he's better with the game in front of him so we should build the defence around covering him when he picks up the pockets he can run the game in. He does more damage drifting in to midfield from deep as it is really hard for the opposition to pick him up.


 

 

01 May 2023 22:45:09
It’s an interesting concept this role Trent is playing but it does leave us massively exposed and vulnerable. But equally it is helping to highlight Trent’s ability and assists from deeper in midfield.

I dunno quite how the formation for this would work. But having Trent allowed to remain in the middle of park or lying deep, does actually actually suit him… he is in some ways a mould of Thiago. Maybe that could be the role he looks to become and emulate?

I prefer the idea of Gomez at RB, I think it suits him more and provides him with some better cover. Konate is decent next to him, VVD is currently the one out of form. Then Robertson LB… or we don’t run with a LB and use the 3 at the back.
4 in the middle, with Elliot/ hendo Right, Trent, Thiago/ fab, middle and then let jones/ Robbie play left mid. Usual front three.

Or we switch it with only 1 Dee lying in Trent. Allow Gapko to be more of a CAM/ CF and have Darwin up top, with Diaz and salah on the wings. It could provide good offensive cover and defensive cover.

Sl09

1.) 01 May 2023 23:55:35
For me, Gomez would be cover/ squad player at best not a starter. I think we have a decision to make this summer though. If we want to continue playing Trent at right back on paper but midfield during the game we need to sign a class centre-back. Mentioned it a number of times on here that Gvardiol would be the perfect signing and my choice. If we decide to move Trent into midfield in a similar role to that of Kimmich at Bayern than on top of bringing in a class centre-back we need to sign a top right back who is defensively sound, never mind their attacking attributes. As for Jones, similar to Gomez he would also be cover/ squad player at best and not a starter. But if a bid for £15-20 million came in I wouldn’t be against moving him on.


2.) 02 May 2023 07:16:02
Changing the tactics (unsuccessfully) to accommodate Trent is partly what has led us here. Do I trust Klopp and Lijnders to find the right formula? I have my doubts.

The opposition are all becoming more press resistant. The low blocks have become a rarity rather than the norm.

We need to find our identify and tactics this summer else it’ll be another year of inconsistency and relying on some individual brilliance.


3.) 02 May 2023 07:56:13
I think people are being a bit over critical of tactics and identity as people say . I believe the drop in form and inability to carry out the tactics by some of the players are more to blame than the actual tactics them selves .

{Ed001's Note - if that is true, then the tactics are still a problem. If you are using tactics that your players are unable to carry out, then they should be changed. So still tactics largely at fault. The whole point of tactics is to help make the most of the players you have, not to expose their weaknesses.}


4.) 02 May 2023 11:27:02
Dhfc sorry, that logical does not work. If the tactics are too difficult or does not suit the players then you either change the tactics to get the best out of the players you have or change the players to suit the tactics you want to implement. You cannot do both or neither. That's not how coaching works.


5.) 02 May 2023 13:14:31
We're all the same things not said by the same people 2 seasons ago? Let's just see how we get on next year maybe?


 

 

05 Apr 2023 14:45:38
Post for Ed01 if possible please.

Based on what you've seen this season, how would you summarize the decline of our team this season?

It does seem to be a confusion of tactics, but does that come down to Pep L and his decisions proving he isn't good enough and Klopp giving him too much respect or is it Klopp who has run out of ideas and the team is washed out.

We all know a refresh is required and the age of the squad is a problem, but surely this can be accommodated to some extent, like a formation change or something?

I have thought before with the style we play if a 3-4-3 would be more suitable or even a 3-5-2, allowing TAA and Robbo to have the protection and ability to play a little higher without being scapegoated.

It is obviously we are needing a change and something has to happen so it would be great to get your two pence on this?

What would you change and where in your opinion are the changes needed?

Thanks.

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - I think the only change we need is to go back to Klopp's way of playing that he brought in. It is not that he ran out of ideas, nor is the team washed out, it was just the mistake of trying to be too clever. Klopp thought there was a better way than his way, and there is with a different set of players, but not with the ones at the club. We need to go back to his plan A and if it is not working, then they should look to do plan A better. Instead we have tried to go to a way of playing that is not suited to the players, Klopp or the fans.

Lijnders needs to go. No assistant should be in the spotlight as much as he is, it creates the same confusion that nearly ended Paisley's managerial career early on. He is not even that good at what he does that he is worth mollifying with press conferences etc. He can take his oversized ego and lack of intensity with him and we can actually get back to Klopp being the sole man in charge. It suits Liverpool better to have a figurehead we can get behind. Liverpool and Klopp are a good match, Linders is just interfering and confusing things.

I certainly don't want a back 3, that is something that just allows centre-backs to pass over responsibility too easily. The formation was never the problem. The problem has solely come through trying to change things from what was working in an attempt to be more like City's way of playing. Just go back to being us. In your face, high energy and take the game to the opposition.}


1.) 05 Apr 2023 15:46:06
Ed who would you say the players are who don't suit the new way we tried to play? Would you put it down to just the midfielders not being technically good enough or others too. Have to admit even when we were great under Jurgen i often wished we kept possession better like a City but didn't think we'd move away from what made us great in the first place to do it. I just thought that gradually Klopp would replace people with better players especially in d middle of the park.

{Ed001's Note - why would you want to play like City? It is tediously boring to watch them. And there is not one player we have other than Thiago who is truly suited to keep-ball.}


2.) 05 Apr 2023 15:46:13
Totally agree with this. Ed- do you think going back to Klopps way of playing would hurt the progress of the likes of Elliot and Carvalho? Both seem like the are more suited to a Bruno Fernandez type role as they do not have the athletism to do the prime Hendo/ Gini box to box running/ pressing, nor do they have the explosive out to in runs/ goals that Mane, Salah and maybe Diaz have. Both seem to have good potential but I'd feel like at the very best they would still not be at Coutinhos level who even at his very best, was never really a Klopp player and we looked more balanced when he left. I know its not the biggest issue in the world for us but do you think they would hang around for the next evolution or be moved on/ kept squad players? I feel having Elliot, Trent and Mo covering the whole right hand side is a disaster when the opposition win the ball. A prime Hendo or Laimer/ Caciedo type player would bring much better balance to the Right side.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree completely on Elliott and Carvalho. They are much more suited to a high-press which would keep them right on top of the opposition and reduce the need for them to cover as much ground. They would be much further along if we had played that way, mainly because we wouldn't be in a mess with confidence destroyed. As for covering the right-side, we just need a centre-back who is able to defend, unlike Matip. Someone who actually reads the play and covers out there as he should do in that system. The midfield shouldn't really be dropping in to the full-back areas so much, they should drop in the middle while the centre-back goes out to engage. It is about reducing the distance needing to be covered. It is much easier for a centre-back to move out to the sides, than a central midfielder having to go back and sideways.}


3.) 05 Apr 2023 16:09:59
As i understand it, the change in style was due to the ever changing / evolution of styles of play in football, and how much our previous style demanded of the players.
The stats/ graphs etc show City's way of playing to be much less heavy on the players. Footy is ever evolving. Think back to the boring days of italian domination and how defensive that was. Now new styles are being pioneered, and they are outdoing what we have been so good at.
I'm not convinced that there is a way back to where we were. Was the Utd 7-0 game the old style completely or has it been changed?

{Ed001's Note - our style demanded a lot of the players, but so does City's. In many respects defensively they play the same high-press system. The difference was down to the way we attacked more quickly and to not allow the opposition to settle.

Out team was not struggling, it was recruitment issues that were our problem, too many injury prone players sitting in the squad taking up a place. That was causing the higher demands on our players as the rest had to play extra minutes. Sort that out and there is no need for this idiotic keepball crap that is not even the same style as City's. It is some bastardised version of the old Dutch way of playing, that has failed to understand the Cruyffian principles it was based on. It was why Dutch football fell away from the top level, they thought tiki-taka was the ideal, when tiki-taka was what happened when Cruyff and Guardiola's style went wrong. It is exactly what both of them try so hard to avoid.}


4.) 05 Apr 2023 16:12:24
Problem is Ed1, Lijnders ain’t going anywhere.

{Ed001's Note - then we are in trouble.}


5.) 05 Apr 2023 16:13:59
I agree with you Ed1, but we don't have the players at this moment to play and maintain a high intensity game. Klopp should have known that his preferred style requires hungry young players and should have refreshed the team gradually. Now we face a massive rebuild, which means next year will be a transitonal one, as one poster has mentioned today.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is not true. You can play it with any players. Experienced players are often better at it because they have a better idea of when and where to press. What you need are players who are well coached and not lumbered with a constantly changing defence because it has been filled with injury prone players. Nothing to do with age, it should be refreshed to get rid of those who have fitness and attitude/ability issues.}


6.) 05 Apr 2023 16:20:46
Ed, any chance of Lijnders leaving or being told to go? Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - I very much doubt it. Klopp clearly leans on him heavily.}


7.) 05 Apr 2023 17:18:23
Hopefully konate can stay fit so because in fairness to Trent, Robbo and VVD (besides when T-Rex arms tried to end him) have been largely everpresent in their time here.

{Ed025's Note - you will be blaming pickford for all your players having bad attitudes and thinking they are all that next jude..


8.) 05 Apr 2023 17:43:01
Well if that the case Ed1, Klopp might as well let him be the manager. Got the feeling if somehow magically Klopp demoted him and bring a new assistant, Pep will walk away.


9.) 05 Apr 2023 17:52:03
Zeljko Buvac was Jurgens first coach when he was at Mainz, then Borussia Dortmund then LFC for circa 18 years in total, he was also Jurgens number two all that time, why Jurgen can't jettison Ljinders who was also an assistant to Buck Rodgers for not even half of Buvacs tenure is questionable.

Cannot think anything better than Milner as the new first team coach and assistant manager for next season.

Ferguson regularly changed his first team coaches Knox, Kidd, McClaren, Ryan, Queiroz, Walter Smith, Mike Phelan seven coaches in all, never done him any harm.


10.) 05 Apr 2023 18:18:29
Pep and his big ideas seem to be getting carried away, although it's only really since the Intensity is our identity waffle that many have been on his back. I imagine its only really the Ed's and people who have inner contacts at the club that truly know how much of a problem Pep is.
Jurgen says he needs Pep's energy, which kind of makes sense, but letting him imagine new tactics and deciding who we should sign is another thing.
Apparently Gakpo was all Pep's idea, and doesn't look like a bad one thus far.


2 robust, strong CB's that can play a bit sound more and more essential.


11.) 05 Apr 2023 18:19:37
Why are people still hell bent on blaming lijnders? at the end of the day we’ve been crap all season bar from a few games. Klopp has seen first hand how poor we are yet he’s changed nothing and keeps playing the same tripe week in and week out. His team selections are poor and his substitutions are shocking!
We aren’t going to have the clear out that we need to and we won’t buy players for all the positions needed.

Proper cover for Trent is needed
Gomez, Matip and Phillips need to move on ( Phillips more to kick start his career)
Milner is too old, Henderson is a shadow of the player he was, Thiago is too injury prone ( cracking player but doesn’t suit us), Jones unfortunately isn’t good enough. Thankfully kieta and ox are off.
Firmino has chose to leave and I wish him all the best, if the right offer comes in for jota I can’t see us turning it down. Does Klopp have the balls to cut those not good enough? I don’t think so as he’s too loyal. Would we get rid of all those players and the likes of Adrian? I don’t think we’d disrupt the team that much?


12.) 05 Apr 2023 18:54:31
You can see just watching the game that passing the ball around ad nauseum doesn’t suit the player. It makes me cover my eyes when I see our defenders passing the ball around the back and that’s before we get to the midfield ?.
I agree, go back to what we used to do where we pressured players into mistakes. The day we purchased Thiago was the start of our “revolution” . It hasn’t worked.


13.) 05 Apr 2023 18:55:44
100% agree with everything Ed01 has said as well as the poster who said about Klopp leaving if he doesn’t take back control and do things his way. definitely need to return to our previous winning style and if we’re not going to then Klopp might as well leave and let Pep take charge as well as take the criticism. I really hope it isn’t the latter but at least if that does happen Linders will be gone pretty swiftly because if he wasn’t hiding behind Klopp right now he’d already have been sacked.


14.) 05 Apr 2023 19:22:40
Well the bigger worry then is that Klopp is not removing Pep if he so poor at his job, changing players won't matter if Klopp continues to let Pep make these decisions, poor by Klopp.


15.) 05 Apr 2023 18:29:52
Just fact ed, Virg was imperious and everpresent till P#ickfords career highlight?.

{Ed025's Note - come on jude, it was a bad challenge but i still dont think he meant it mate it was just clumsy, now i know the reds are not having the best time of it at the moment but looking for scapegoats is never the way to go my friend..


16.) 05 Apr 2023 19:39:26
Problem is regardless of whose ideas they are to do anything, Klopp will have the final say for them to be implemented.


17.) 05 Apr 2023 19:51:16
Come on Forest. Interview Lijnders!h


18.) 05 Apr 2023 20:02:24
Liverpool this season are not able to match opposition's change of intensity and physicality.
A midfield that's become full of crocks, tippy tappy style players and lightweight youngsters that aren't ready.
The mix is all wrong in my view.
I thought that at the season's beginning and still do.
You need a bit of everything and it's totally plain that this is not the case at present.

{Ed025's Note - it needs a rebuild juicer, im talking at least 4 players are needed to reinvigorate the squad and thats with quite a few going the other way, and im talking pretty big names mate maybe not jude but top quality, anything less and i can see you struggling next season...so over to you FSG..


19.) 05 Apr 2023 20:43:43
I can’t wait for July - it’s going to be thrilling isn’t it?


20.) 05 Apr 2023 18:49:11
Appreciate the detailed reply Ed.

I understand the standpoint there and agree, the recruitment of the likes of Diaz and Nunez show that he does want that hungry in your face style players who will track and run for the team. Work horses and desire for the game.

It does seem as though the issue lies down to Pep in many respects. Similar to a previous post about Buvac, Klopp does need to be ruthless and cut ties. He found success and Liverpool found success when it was him and his style and attitude.

I understand the point about fitness issues though but equally, our title winning run was maintained and we found the right balance, the likes of Gini W was able to play nearly every game and was a tank on the ball, not my favourite player at all, often one of the most frustrating, showed up for big games but he was always available and could work in that style of play we adapted and had brilliant success at.

I think some of the issues does come down to no medical dr currently, needing a new DoF and the issues looming over the clubs ownership or the recent statements from FSG. I can imagine it can have an impact on the players. Adding to that Pep’s silly tactics.

I remember you mentioned before that Klopp wanted to take more of a back seat so he can focus more on his family time while being the manager. Letting his coaches do the tactics and methods. But it doesn’t seem to work or fit with him. He is an all or nothing kind of character.

If and that’s a big if, Klopp we’re to go/ leave/ mutual/ sack. Would Nagelsmann be a good alternative that could fit within a Liverpool system, it he was available? I hope he doesn’t go to Chelsea as I can imagine it may ruin him… I would also consider Alonso as he seems to be doing rather well at managerial level so far, it might be too soon to see yet though….

{Ed001's Note - Nagelsmann looks a very good option but he showed at Bayern that he would very much need to be given more power. There was too much interference from above there weakening his position and allowing, in particular, the keeper to be a bigger and bigger problem. Once that was allowed to happen without Neuer being immediately sold, his position was untenable.}


21.) 05 Apr 2023 19:05:00
Why do you think Klopp leans on Lijnders so much Ed001?

So strange how Klopp hasn't realised that the change in tactics isn't working, can't understand why he would want to stick with it after how bad we are every week.

{Ed001's Note - Lijnders talks a great game and is very highly regarded within football. No idea why. He showed in a stint as manager that he has no tactical clue at all. I think last season's results made him seem like a genius when we were all on here expressing concern about how we were getting results despite that change in approach.}


22.) 05 Apr 2023 20:25:50
Get some pace, some aggression, some physicality and robustness for me Ed.
Liverpool were blowing everyone away a couple of seasons ago, now it's like watching walking bloody football lol.
Klopp is at his most effective when his gander is up, the juices are flowing and the crowd are energised.
It becomes the Anfield and the identity we all love.
Retire disgracefully, with the heavy metal blasting lol.

{Ed001's Note - spot on mate.}


23.) 05 Apr 2023 22:30:10
I find City boring to watch too but id be shocked if any City fans did. I don't think anyone would find that playstyle boring if its your own team battering teams and winning titles for fun. I often think Bayern fans for example must be bored winning the title every year but if it was us in their position would we be?


24.) 05 Apr 2023 22:34:10
I like that Juicer. Ganders and danders.


25.) 06 Apr 2023 14:41:08
Ed01, you get an A for consistency. You have been saying these exact same things since October and thru out the podcasts. How Klopp agreed to this new way of playing when it was clear it was not working is beyond me BUT I can see why he continued with it cos he prolly saw the difficulties of it late lasst season (when we transitioned to it) and thought it could still work cos well we challenged and nearly won everything. Wrong BUT I can see why.

That is one of the several gambles (including not signing a stop gp midfielder knowing we needed one and not moving players like Oxx and Naby out) he took that have failed massively and that has done us in. Like you, I have NO desire to see us play like City in any way. Boring as heck and wouldn't immitate that team in any way if you paid me.

What made us the best team on the planet btw '17 and '20 was the high octane, swash-buckling, No F's given style of footie that terrorized the whole of England, Europe and the World. The players we have had over time were NEVER brought in to play possession footie so how anyone thought we could play it is also beyond me.

IMO; Pep will still be here cos Klopp LIKES working with him and has his ear so we just have to hope Klopp sees the light and retakes the reigns again like he did with Buvac. If not and we keep struggling next season, he will definitely leave.


 

 

08 Jul 2015 16:50:57
Given the striker dilemma we are having currently. It seems Benteke is the likely choice who will be in red next season. Not my preferred choice but that's the similar debate going on here all the time. Either way, if he is red. Support him. But as abit of fun, who would your chosen striker be given you can have one, price tag irrelevant. Who would you choose. Likely names up there probably being:
Higuain
Benzema
Lacazette
Cavani
Benteke
Heskey

Who you choose? My preference being lacazette. Obvious reasons. But I like the hunger he has and he can actually score from
Outside the box and has great accuracy. With our style and energy. I think he could pop in at least 15 in his first season. That is if we play the high tempo high press style. But with Rodgers. Who knows.

Sl09

1.) 08 Jul 2015 17:47:45
but no premier league experience!


2.) 08 Jul 2015 18:39:18
Lacazette too for me, although I would bring back God to help him acclimatise ;-)


3.) 08 Jul 2015 18:50:50
Lacazette is probably first choice just, but he's never played in PL so a worry he may not adapt.

For me Higuain due to him being the more experienced striker and played at a high level for longer than Lacazette. To be fair I'd take either one.

{Ed030's Note - I'd have Higuain, seen more of him than I have of Lacazatte and from what I have seen Higuain the better player, I'd also prefer Benzema over Lacazette. Both Higuain and Benzema would be a vast improvement on the current players while also not blocking the development of the youngsters. }


4.) 08 Jul 2015 20:07:08
I guess I was going for lacazette due to the way I seen him play. I like how he has an aggro and good strength. Plus, I do think he has a hunger for goals. Being very direct and driving at the goal. Higiuan I think would be top quality too and could fit but for some reason I don't think he would work just as well as versa. I wouldn't say no. He is world class. But I guess my judgement of hearing rumours of him for 3 years and 6 transfer windows. Put me off him a little now. Benzema would be amazing. I think he is one of the best strikers. From what I've seen. That is what I think lacazette can become. Only for his age, makes me choose the other. In terms of no pl experience. I think all three are technically good enough to cope and push them all to be better. As it's a faster game.
But if your short of experience. Get emile back. If your looking for a real eye waterer. He's your man.


5.) 08 Jul 2015 21:43:22
How in the name of sweet jeasus could you have heskey's name in there. Are you on crack or something.

{Ed030's Note - I think his name was added for a joke. }


6.) 08 Jul 2015 23:58:19
If price irrelevant Ronaldo f i r me


 

 

15 Jan 2014 12:59:21
Hi eds, wanted this to be mainly for ed001 but it would also be great to see two replies to this from 001 and 002. My question simply is, what do you guys expect? And think is doable this window? and would successful? Or even who you wish to see at the club?

There's a lot of people on here linking us to whoever all the time just because their good on fifa means we have interest in them. It's getting annoying and ridiculous sometimes. Must be a pain in the ass for you guys all the time.

Honestly I just want to see what you guys think. I'm not mentioning any names here purely to be optimistic and not bias. You guys are the ones who basically know there stuff. So my trust is in you.
Cheers

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - I really don't expect a lot to happen, January is difficult at the best of times, but this year there is a World Cup coming up, most players with hopes of going will not want to move. It leaves you with an extremely limited pot of potential targets. There will be those with hopes of going but no hope of getting in their current team. Those who are not near a place in their national side. Finally, those whose country failed to get there.}


 

 

 

Sl09's rumour replies

 

Click To View This Thread

15 Jun 2023 10:20:14
I feel I got to back Nunez on this, the criticism is harsh on him.
The whole team was not prepped well for last season.
Everyone wasn’t right, the system wasn’t right, injuries early on and low morale in the team.
People already asking for him to be gone or sold is not fair on the lad. He did alright in his first season with his number of goals and assists.
He has a hot head and is raw like everyone says. But as Liverpool fans, that is something we really like in a player. That fire in the belly and drive! He has that, he does need to hone in on his weaknesses and temper a little but he’s a good player who can succeed and do very well for us.

Initially my previous thought last summer was that Nunez was looking to be the next one in for our new front line. Diaz was the first of the three, then Nunez and then gapko. All young and got a good 5+ years in them to grow.

I was thinking the initial strategy with the whole salah issue last year was that. LFC didn’t want him to go on a free, so my hunch was, they said to salah, we will tie you down and give you the contract and wages you demand; with the intention to possibly sell next summer (this one) . So that way salah would get the wages he wanted, possibly the big final transfer he wanted, lfc got 1 more year out of him and he did very good considering the season we’ve had, plus due to the contract. We could get a hefty sale for him.

Leading onto the new frontline for lfc, Nunez, gapko, Diaz. I can see Nunez and Diaz interchanging and swapping sides or the front 3 being interchangeable with jota/ doak/ Elliot from the bench.

We have aging players and as amazing and incredible salah is, I love the guy and what he has done and achieved for us. But it is getting to a point where, what is his value worth to other teams? To us, he’s priceless, to someone else though… a 32 winger who eventually will slow down and regress. They may not value him the same. There are very few players who can replace what he does and has done. But I think the plan was that the new front three would be the solution. Nunez may not be able to reach the numbers of salah, but he has got the potential to be a 20+ goal per season player. Diaz is more in the 15+ range and so is gapko. Along with the goals being added from other parts of the field. That’s should in theory be enough.

Last thing I wanted to say though, people ripping Nunez for his misses, yes I get frustrated with them too but tbf, some are great saves or off the post. But salah has had his fair share in his time of missing so many sitters or having opportunity after opportunity. Not every striker is perfect. But Nunez has got the potential to be a top striker and player for us. So we should be backing him rather than already knocking him off.

Sl09

 

 

Click To View This Thread

26 May 2023 15:03:37
All I want to say on that. Thank you for the awesome response Ed :) appreciate the time to write and put that info down.

That goes to ed002 as well for all the amazing work you put in for this.

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}


 

 

Click To View This Thread

26 May 2023 11:00:54
Hi Ed001. You mention edwards and ward, if we can manage the funds correctly we can compete? Can you explain a little more on this and what you mean?

Was it because we were offering too high wages thus leaving our fund pot lower?

Be good to get more on what you mean by that.

Cheers.

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - not just salaries, though that was a huge part of it. It is the overall package, obscene agent fees, bonuses etc added to having too many players left us haemorrhaging money. City have a smaller squad than us, so clearly it is not necessary to have as many players as we do. You are talking tens of millions a year that is just wasted. For instance, just Naby Keita alone was costing us around £10m a year, so when you have 5 players too many in the squad, for example, even if you average it out at £5m a year for them, that is £25m that you do not have available for transfers.

If you have a squad of 20 players, even if the average weekly wage is reduced by just (just! What a world these pampered brats live in!) £5k a week, which is easily done, that is over £5m savings for the club over the year. That is money that could potentially be put towards a new signing. And most of the players are overpaid by a much larger amount than £5k a week.

Once you start adding it all up, on top of any money you would receive for selling any of the excess players, it can significantly alter the transfer budget available. A lot of that is on Klopp, who is far too keen to hang on to players and wanted 5 centre-backs for this season. If you can't trust the ones you have to stay fit, you don't keep an extra one just in case, you get rid of them and bring in someone who can stay fit!

And when someone comes in with a loan offer for Keita, you have to be a fool to reject it, even if they are only offering to pay a percentage of his wage. You just get that shirker as far away from the club as possible. I am still disgusted by the club referring to him as a 'legend' when he left. He should have been embarrassed by that label. To put him alongside Millie and Bobby was a disgrace. Utterly sickening. It was disrespectful to those two.}


 

 

Click To View This Thread

01 Jun 2018 19:13:29
Thanks for the link. Worked fine search that in the search bar Walter and it’s the first. Benny baller right there so you know it’s theres.

With the match. I might try and make it but it will be super late notice. Don’t hold anything for me but I may be a late introduction :)

Sl09

 

 

Click To View This Thread

01 Jun 2018 15:47:14
This is so great. Really want to come but not certain on travel arrangements and getting there etc. Would love to play if I could.
With the Facebook page, does anyone have the link or exact wording for the page. When I search it, I get Liverpool FC latest/ transfer news but I am not sure if that is it and the other pages are out of date?

Sl09

 

 

 

Sl09's banter replies

 

Click To View This Thread

03 Jul 2023 23:35:03
He feels like an Eriksen type of player to me. I think he will do well at united. Similar to that Mata role they used before. He’s that type of player.

Comes up with some stuff, nothing crazy but every now and then will do awesome things, just not often enough, works hard though and as others said, could have worked under Klopp but I am much happier with our choices now, mac and DS are better in my thoughts and improve us more than he would have while also saving us crazy on the English homegrown tax.

Best of luck to him.

Sl09

 

 

Click To View This Thread

07 Jun 2023 11:12:13
I can agree on the points around Salah. But my thoughts have always been that your striker should not be your captain unless in special circumstances, where it is clear and obvious they are the ones leading the team.
I think Kane can be used as a good example on the international stage but often if your striker is having an off day and not playing well/ getting bullied/ sided out of the game and simply not having any impact. Then you’re almost in a situation of playing with 10 men as managers would not like to drop their captain. Or if they are to sub them, it isn’t until 60/ 70 minutes.

I think a captain should be someone who can have eyes on the entire game, either in the middle or from the back, they can see what’s going on.
A strikers role is to score and win the game, having the added pressure of managing the team would be too much, and if they’re not scoring or on a bad run. You’re stepping yourself up to fail.

For me, I think Alisson shows the best potential for captain for us, he has the experience, the character and oversight to see everything that’s going on and can be commanding. Robbo is another that is a good shout, but it will be hard to see if he is gunna get game time next season with the possible formation change. He is also a passionate player who wears his heart on his sleeve but it’s hard to know how good he would be as actual captain.

It will be interesting to see.

Sl09

 

 

Click To View This Thread

05 Apr 2023 18:49:11
Appreciate the detailed reply Ed.

I understand the standpoint there and agree, the recruitment of the likes of Diaz and Nunez show that he does want that hungry in your face style players who will track and run for the team. Work horses and desire for the game.

It does seem as though the issue lies down to Pep in many respects. Similar to a previous post about Buvac, Klopp does need to be ruthless and cut ties. He found success and Liverpool found success when it was him and his style and attitude.

I understand the point about fitness issues though but equally, our title winning run was maintained and we found the right balance, the likes of Gini W was able to play nearly every game and was a tank on the ball, not my favourite player at all, often one of the most frustrating, showed up for big games but he was always available and could work in that style of play we adapted and had brilliant success at.

I think some of the issues does come down to no medical dr currently, needing a new DoF and the issues looming over the clubs ownership or the recent statements from FSG. I can imagine it can have an impact on the players. Adding to that Pep’s silly tactics.

I remember you mentioned before that Klopp wanted to take more of a back seat so he can focus more on his family time while being the manager. Letting his coaches do the tactics and methods. But it doesn’t seem to work or fit with him. He is an all or nothing kind of character.

If and that’s a big if, Klopp we’re to go/ leave/ mutual/ sack. Would Nagelsmann be a good alternative that could fit within a Liverpool system, it he was available? I hope he doesn’t go to Chelsea as I can imagine it may ruin him… I would also consider Alonso as he seems to be doing rather well at managerial level so far, it might be too soon to see yet though….

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - Nagelsmann looks a very good option but he showed at Bayern that he would very much need to be given more power. There was too much interference from above there weakening his position and allowing, in particular, the keeper to be a bigger and bigger problem. Once that was allowed to happen without Neuer being immediately sold, his position was untenable.}


 

 

Click To View This Thread

31 Oct 2022 13:41:26
Reading through these, there are some fair assessments and it is obvious we have players underperforming and not delivering to the standards we expect of them.

But reading into the formation changes, what do we think would actually suit us best?

A concern I have and have highlighted previously is regarding the midfield and that mid 3. Especially with Elliot playing a part of it.
Now I love the kid, he has potential and drive which is wonderful to see… but, in that mid 3. I feel it is causing a lot of problems we are seeing right now.

Remember he initially is a RW and loves to attack and push high, defending is not his main focus.

I feel like it is his positional sense that is impacting the play, his awareness to come for the ball and create the space in that pocket which was previously occupied by hendo of last season. It has impacted TAA and salahs position and ulitmately lead to confusion.

There were quite a few times on the weekend when I was watching Gomez, Thiago and Fabinho position, trying to find space and pockets but Elliot was off screen or simply out of sight and thus firmino is dropping deep to collect as Leeds were using a high press which was working. But Elliot needed to be deeper to collect the ball and be able to spread the ball out wide more or offer an out.

He is young and hopefully will learn. But this is causing issues I see and I know consistency will develop the more he plays as he is still very young. Just hope it does get better and he can fit into the role better. As Thiago and fabinho’s legs seem to struggle to cover all the ground and find the space for that matter too. Especially when firmino is dropping so deep because of it.

It might be tactical and be asked of him to be an outlet and be further up the pitch. But the formation doesn’t seem to be set up to support this.

Ed001, if your around, I’d love to get your thoughts on this as well and seeing what’s happened so far, what formation could we go forward with that works.

Sl09

{Ed001's Note - I don't think he is the problem, Firmino was dropping deep anyway and always has done. That was the role he was assigned to drop in behind Nunez and Salah to allow them to play through the middle more. Elliott was out there to give Salah more freedom to roam I think. The problems don't seem to me to be about what we do on the ball, it is off it that we are struggling. Then I can see an issue with Elliott as he is young and learning. It was his extremely weak attempt at a tackle that allowed Leeds to launch the attack that led to their first goal. That is what he needs to work on. Players shouldn't break a challenge so easily.}


 

 

Click To View This Thread

16 Aug 2022 12:28:20
I wasn’t able to watch the match but from the short little highlights and bits I have seen.

I think people are too critical of Nunez, he will be alright, it’s a new league and new types of defenders he hasn’t been up against before. He will learn and he will get better.

From what he was doing on the pitch and what I saw in bits and read. He was getting himself around and making his presence known. So the ability is there. It’s just about harnessing that, he has the skill set and we can see he’s hungry. So I am not worried, he will be disappointed, it was just a moment where he reacted without thinking. But he will learn, reminds me a little of the film Hustle on Netflix with Adam Sandler, if anyone hasn’t seen it should go watch it as it’s a great film. I get similar feels from that with this situation. Someone’s in his ear all game and he’s just lost it for a brief moment.

Klopp will help him and so will the team, they now only have more time to gel him into the squad outside of the media pressure, he can get better and better and get more fluid with how Liverpool play. Like all our players YNWA.

Sl09

 

 





Change Consent