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21 Jul 2017 18:10:09
i know right at the start we had lots of youngsters officially sign, which i am assuming because they had pre-contracts organised!

Are there any players we are looking at to go into the U18's and U23's at the moment?

i appreciate this would be harder to source!

The Southern Red

1.) 21 Jul 2017 18:25:09
Well we have a ban in England atm. Not sure on forgien players.


2.) 21 Jul 2017 19:19:02
Only for junior players though.


3.) 21 Jul 2017 20:23:45
What age group would that be Cobra? I had wondered if it was all development squads up to 21s or 16?


 

 

01 Jul 2017 10:49:31
Hi Ed's,

Just a quick question with the goalkeeping situation, do you think we are keeping ward for pre-season to look at him before making a decision or are we keeping him as 3rd choice the whole season?

If that is that case i am mystified as to why Klopp would ever do that!

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - Right now Ward has been told he will be third choice for the season which I think is a great pity after he did very well indeed last season - and the first half of the season before in Scotland. I am sure he would love the opportunity to play for Liverpool but third choice goalkeepers are generally those at the tail end of their career and who help out with the kids and the like - such as Manninger last season. I am sure ward will be thinking very hard about his situation.}


1.) 01 Jul 2017 11:12:46
Completely agree, if this happens it will be the second time he has come back from playing regularly and well to just sitting in the stands!

From his perspective if i wasn't allowed out on loan, i would push for a permanent transfer.

{Ed002's Note - Huddersfield wanted to hang on to him but were told no.}


2.) 01 Jul 2017 12:07:42
I can not, for the life of me, understand this decision.

Surely this will have an effect on Danny Ward's development?

He has spent the last year and a half playing regularly, developing his skills and experience, and has progressed from Leagues that were meant to be a gradual increase, in order to prepare him for life in the Premier League. I thought that was the plan.

Now, Huddersfield are in the Premier League. This should be the big test, to see if he is ready for the rigours of the league, but, instead of doing what is so obvious. We are bringing him back to sit in the stands and possibly play a few matches in the U23's!? How does that make any kind of sense!?

Loris Karius could hardly get a game last season, a player Klopp has made a number of promises to, I believe. I can not recall Alex Manniger, the third choice keeper, ever playing a single game for us. In fact, I don't believe he ever did.

So, how does it make any sense to put Danny Ward in this position!? To undo all his hard work, while out on loan. By the time Klopp decides Ward could do with another loan, it is likely that Huddersfield would have already brought in a new Goal Keeper. Meaning another closed avenue for development.

I cannot understand why we don't just use Kamil Grabara, or one of our other young Goalkeepers, to fill in as third choice but also play regularly for the U23's. It would be a great experience for them, to train and, on the rather occasion, play in matches with the first team. If you cannot bring someone older, who has experience and pedigree on his side, then why not turn to the youth?

I really hope we don't end up alienating Ward and losing him in the next Transfer Window because I believe the boy has the potential to be a very good option for us. However, with Mignolet first choice and impressing, Loris Karius being promised all kinds of thing, where does that really leave Ward!?

In all honesty, in order to further his career, I think Ward needs to leave on a permanent transfer. It pains me to say this because I have nothing but respect for the man's abilities and mindset, but perhaps it would be best for all parties if Ward was to be sold.

I don't know how other people feel, but, I believe this might be the best course of action for the young lad.


3.) 01 Jul 2017 12:17:18
Migs starts season drops a clanger puts Karius in Migs gets arse on goes in summer Ward then goes to no2.


4.) 01 Jul 2017 12:23:52
What exactly was Karius promised.

Ward has the same opportunity in training to claim a place. Mignolet was clearly 2nd choice, but look what happened. Klopp and his team are not fools. If Ward impresses he will get a game.

{Ed002's Note - Karious was named the number one public after Klopp explained to Mignolet he would not be starting.}


5.) 01 Jul 2017 13:04:29
And that was the right decision Ed, IMO as Migs at the time had been wretched though out his time here before Karius arrived. Things may not have worked out and the reasons why can be debated BUT Klopp did the right thing as Migs was killing us big time. As for Ward, it boggles the mind why we don't just let him go as clearly, being third choice is just stupid at this time as he is well-thought of outside of LFC and is a Welsh international.


6.) 01 Jul 2017 13:07:16
What klopp did clearly worked though! Migs was outstanding after being given that wake up call!


7.) 01 Jul 2017 13:09:42
Nothing more than a gut feel tells me one of Migs or Karius will leave before the end of the window.

Like I said, just a guy feel.


8.) 01 Jul 2017 13:57:30
"Like I said, just a guy feel. "

🤢.


9.) 01 Jul 2017 14:14:31
Not sure if this is the right place for a guy feel, Zed.


10.) 01 Jul 2017 14:57:05
Come on lads we are not here to judge.


11.) 01 Jul 2017 16:48:23
Oh dear! What a time for auto correct on 'gut'!

😂😂😂.


12.) 01 Jul 2017 16:51:33
Think Ward should be given chance in PL with Hudder. instead of being 2nd or 3rd option here.

The exp is invaluable.

Not sure what Klopp is smoking on Goal keeping front.

Cheers.


13.) 01 Jul 2017 17:40:05
I think players like Ward, Ojo, Chirivella, Kent will be allowed to show during the preseason whether they are ready to be part of the first team squad and if they are not, they will be loaned or sold.

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to assess them over the preseason before making a decision.


14.) 01 Jul 2017 21:42:50
Ward may prove himself either in training or games. There's rumoured interest in Karius, so even if nothing happen this window perhaps Ward could force his way up the order. Perhaps Klopp sees something in Ward, and knows something we don't about either Migs' or Karius' future. Window's not really even open as yet, so they may be more to this than we've seen.


15.) 02 Jul 2017 12:10:33
Ward is now fringe international as well if he wants to develop he needs to move on. No point having ability sitting in the stands. If LFC don't want to sell then there needs to be an aim to use him and not as a break glass.


 

 

25 May 2017 19:48:24
Are these rumours of Rodgers wanting Wilson north of the wall?

i don't think that would be a bad move for him if he was going to get some game time up there!

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - Celtic asked about a loan and were told no. They could potentially come back and ask for a sale. Right now the youngsters do seem to be out of the equation at Liverpool even though they are well thought of.}


1.) 26 May 2017 00:34:56
Surprised we turned down a loan - a year at Celtic would seem to be perfect step in his development.

{Ed007's Note - Could he handle the step up though? It's a big jump from Liverpool to a team expected to win every game and pick up trophies ;) (giggle)


2.) 26 May 2017 09:05:09
I didn't know liverpool and brendan rodgers were going to take part in Game of thrones, if that is going to be the case, GO WHITEWALKERS!


3.) 26 May 2017 10:27:05
Class answer Ed7 😂😂😂.

{Ed007's Note - I couldn't resist but thanks must go to Zimbo who set it up perfectly lol


4.) 26 May 2017 21:02:56
Lovely!


 

 

23 May 2017 22:47:53
Hi Ed's

I know there is a lot of talk of in's now we are all weak at the knees with the possibilty of offering champions league to our targets!

but i would be really interested in hearing a summary of our loaned players this year:

Danny Ward (Huddersfield Town)
Ryan Fulton (Chesterfield)
Ryan Kent (Barnsley)
Allan Rodrigues (Hertha Berlin)
Jon Flanagan (Burnley)
Lloyd Jones (Swindon Town)
Taiwo Awoniyi (NEC Nijmegen)
Andre Wisdom (Red Bull Salzburg)
Lazar Markovic (Hull City)
Pedro Chirivella (Go Ahead Eagles)
Cameron Brannagan (Fleetwood Town)
Jack Dunn (Tranmere Rovers)
Mamadou Sakho (Crystal Palace)
Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake)

Not detail (unless you want to haha) of how they did and whether they have a future at the club and what they should do for their own futures.

I know i ask a lot but you are just so good at giving such well rounded views on players I can't not ask.

p. s i flirt with you slightly in the hope this may appease any possible rejection of this request!

The Southern Red

{Ed001's Note - Ward is probably going to go back out on loan for the season. He did well at Huddersfield and could well go back there for next season, if they get promotion. They would like to make the deal permanent either way, but are not keen on any kind of buy back clause in the contract.
Fulton I am not sure how he got on to be honest but the plan is for another loan.
Kent is an interesting one, looks likely to leave in the summer, he has not done enough to earn a place at Liverpool, though he does show flashes of quality.
Allan has issues getting a work permit. He is very well liked by Klopp, but we can't use him so his future is up in the air. Most likely another loan spell.
Flanagan is likely to be sold.
Jones is another likely to be sold. He has not progressed well.
Awoniyi is in the balance. The right loan offer will see him go back out on loan, but the club like the idea of giving him some time around the first team in training, so he might well stay.
Wisdom is up for sale.
Markovic is available for sale.
Chirivella is likely to go back on loan for the season.
Branagan is available for transfer.
Dunn is also for sale.
Sakho is for sale still.
Lennon I don't know about, I will have to ask. I had completely forgotten about the lad with him being outside of Europe.}


1.) 24 May 2017 06:38:39
Anyone seen much of Allan to say how good he looks? Is he really that impressive?


2.) 24 May 2017 08:31:45
Thanks!

interesting point on Owoniyi, guess he is something we don't really have upfront so would be good to see how it plays in and around the team.

I would like to see kent at least given a chance in the pre-season see how he does as he is only 20 and so has lots of time on his hands!

I feel chirivella will have come on leaps and bonds playing for a the eagles, i would like to see him loaned to another eredevise club again (preferable somewhere higher up the table)

Allan, i am hoping another season at hertha, he will become more of a regular in the team, so even if he doesn't get the chance to play for us he will develop nicely!


3.) 24 May 2017 10:12:28
Such a shame about flanagan. Once dubbed "the successor" by Cafu. Is there definatly no way back for the lad? We crying out for full backs at the mo, will he get another chance or was the injury the end for him at liverpool?

{Ed001's Note - if he had performed well on loan then he would have got another chance.}


4.) 24 May 2017 10:17:39
Yes spose your right ed001, if he can't get in the burnley team not much chance of getting in our side.


5.) 24 May 2017 17:41:33
Awoniyi is one of the players who doesn't have a work permit and doesn't qualify for one at the moment I think. His loan spell in Netherlands has seen him make no progress either.


6.) 25 May 2017 16:00:31
re Flannagan

Part of the issue with him was fitness and it looked like he survived a year of training without significant injury because he seemed to be on the bench every match. But virtually no game time, so we don't know whether he is able now to game after game after game; he wasn't before he left on loan though.

On quality, yes he wasn't able to replace the incumbent right-back but, if that guy was playing well and keeping his fitness, that is a hard thing for a loanee to do.

I hope Klopp takes a long hard look at him before selling before before his injury I always thought he did well going forward.


7.) 25 May 2017 20:00:18
Can't we "do a Grujic" and get Awoniyi a work permit?

{Ed025's Note - its wierd ron, they let terrorists in and jihadi,s who have been fighting our armed forces in syria, yet they wont let a lad coming to work here past the gate, this bloody country is getting worse..


8.) 25 May 2017 22:23:15
😄 I wasn't expecting that.


 

 

09 Mar 2017 15:06:06
Hi ed's

Quick question regarding LB position I know we have looked at both sessegnon from Fulham and Tymon from hull, have either of these got any sustenance behind them and which do you think would be a better option for us?

Apologies if it is too subjective!

The Southern Red

{Ed001's Note - sustenance? Erm, not sure what you mean by that. We have had both scouted and have interest in them, but so do a lot of others. Tymon is more likely, as he has less interest in him. I have not seen enough of either to even have an opinion on which would be the better option for us sorry.}


1.) 09 Mar 2017 21:15:52
It will be hard to find a LB, from an academy director it is the issue that all clubs are having. All the academies are scouring each other to look for a LB that has a good left foot, but can also get forward. We are not the only one having LB issue.


2.) 09 Mar 2017 22:18:42
Milner is doing a grand job if you ask me. So he's not left footed. so what! Better than Clyne!


3.) 10 Mar 2017 00:22:56
Apologies when I say sustanance I meant is there anything behind these rumours!

Yes I feel the same with the exposure that sessegnon is getting I think someone else will snap him up, although personally I think he should stay and play around first team at Fulham for a while!

Another question, it suprises me in this respect that we don't see young professionals staying at their local club because I think if your there working welll and playing plus family friends there it is one of the most important things at a young age!


4.) 10 Mar 2017 06:38:32
@The natural - better than Clyne is no barometer of quality. Both full-back positions need a change in personnel - for me TAA at right back and we sign a left back. God knows who but we sign one this summer.


5.) 10 Mar 2017 06:48:55
I have a question on Sessegnon rumours. 12 months ago from what I think I saw on here Liverpool looked at Chillwell. This came with a personal recommendation from close friend of Klopp with experience managing the lad at Huddersfield, BC was 2 years older and slightly more experienced and the money men wouldn't pay the asking price. Considering the interet Fulham are likely to want a few million as well so has anything changed to suggest the purse holders would release that much for this lad?

{Ed001's Note - depends a lot on whether Moreno leaves or not. He is available for transfer, if he goes it makes the requirement for a left back urgent again, especially with Juanma struggling with a few injuries.}


6.) 09 Mar 2017 23:33:45
I would rather sign Robertson myself. Think his attacking nature and excellent delivery would benefit us massively down the left.


7.) 10 Mar 2017 15:36:30
There's also that kid from Leeds Charlie Taylor, I think, who is highly-rated as well.


8.) 10 Mar 2017 20:26:00
Quite like Charlie Daniels at Bournemouth not a long term solution tho.


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2017 16:22:34
Hi ed's I know nothing is set with loans outs as the window isn't even open.

But with us having Ibe, Wilson and Kent all similar age position etc, and I'm assuming we will only keep one at the club. What do you think would be the best course of action for all of them?

As well I am surprised that we have "rejected" loan approaches from celtic I would imagine that would be good for their development.

The Southern Red

{Ed001's Note - Ibe? I take it you mean Ojo? It really depends on what happens in the window. If we do not get someone for the left, then that changes things. We need to keep at least one as cover and to play cup games etc. Preferably I would prefer the players to get loans in the area, so they can come back on a regular basis and take part in Liverpool training.}


1.) 17 Jun 2017 16:57:39
I would definitely keep ojo he has already shown he can do something at 1st teat level. Though suppose he has been given the chance. I'd imagine Woodburn will be kept around toon, he can play more central as well though.


2.) 17 Jun 2017 17:37:30
What chance do we have when fans still think Ibe is at the club.


3.) 17 Jun 2017 17:41:23
1st teat level - is he still being breastfed?


4.) 17 Jun 2017 18:48:36
You've got to love a bit of predictive text. Its a brilliant insight into peoples deepest secrets.

Kopdog obviously gets down with a bit of teat talk from time to time. Nowt wrong with that. I think many of us can relate to this.

My biggest worry here is that its not a literal term and in fact he has an obsession with animals nipples.

Could you clarify mate?


5.) 17 Jun 2017 22:06:44
Flash give yourself a pat on the back for that comment 😂😂😂.


6.) 18 Jun 2017 00:49:37
Woodburn in my opinion needs to work on his physical strength to further his chances.


 

 

12 Jun 2017 23:28:40
i have read a few times of Ojo going on loan to newcastle, the question i have is do you think he has the quality to start for them and make a significant contribution.

I am sick of our players being sent out and just not playing it is so bad for their development!

The Southern Red

1.) 12 Jun 2017 23:57:21
Absolutely. he's top quality. Loom at ake last year.

Id do a 6 month so if it doesn't work we can salavge it with the fa cup.

Hes soo young and has everything. Pace, power, skill, crossing and passing.


2.) 13 Jun 2017 00:33:46
I think Newcastle will have too much quality to take ojo, I'd rather he go to someone with a little less depth.


3.) 13 Jun 2017 00:51:07
If he can't get good game time with Newcastle and prove himself, then he's never going to get it with us. The fixture list this coming season will be full on at times and after watching him at the U20's, I'd like to see him in the first team squad playing some cup games and getting some minutes in the league.


4.) 13 Jun 2017 01:07:56
A team fighting for relegation would rather play their own young player who will have more sympathy for the cause. Throwing in an untested youngster on loan is hard at a team who is pushing for survival.


5.) 13 Jun 2017 06:29:22
Think a team like Swansea would be perfect.


 

 

12 Jun 2017 23:27:45
i know the source was dodgy but BILD are reporting that Allan won't be staying at Hertha as we have requested clauses that he has to play?

any truth in this.

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will want him to be playing regualrly otherwise he will stagnate, it is very common to do this.}


 

 

06 Jun 2017 20:10:38
Hi All,


I believe what macca says and i look forward to seeing VVD in a liverpool shirt. To people saying its too much, you need to remember in todays market prices are crazy!

we need quality so we can compete on all fronts and not have only one season back into the champions league.

What i would love to see is for mendy to come in and have gomez as the back up as well!

I know people have thrown out the idea of josh tymon possibly i haven't seen him but if he comes in i will support him!

Seperately, do you think we will see quite a few of our youngsters who are 20/ 21 being sold off rather than loaned or kept. so that our younger generation can push through etc?

The Southern Red

 

 

25 May 2017 11:35:54
with Manninger announcing his retirement this summer, i assume we are going to go for a similar kind of player as our 3rd choice rather than ward.

In the ed's opinion what should a 3rd goalkeepers qualities be, as usually it is a rarity that they will play so is it more their experience to bring to the squad than anything else?

to everyone, whoever comes in remember, we are liverpool, we support the team and the players through thick and thin.

Onwards and upwards, we march on!

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - The third pick goalkeeper eith needs to be a youngster who plays regularly for the U23s or it needs to be someone like Manninger, Eduardo or Given etc. - someone who is experienced and useful enough to help the kids but not expected to play a regular part.}


1.) 25 May 2017 15:18:13
Given how unlikely it is the position will be required I would be fine to use Grabara as backup - he looks a very good keeper even if only 18 / 19 year old next season.


2.) 25 May 2017 17:39:13
I think there is a massive advantage to having an older keeper. They can serve almost as a dressing room father figure, but you ask Kane how important to his early development Brad Freidel was. Staying behind after training with him for hours to help him work on his shooting.

There is more to a squad than just having young talented players. Experience cannot be taught.


3.) 25 May 2017 19:02:21
Older keepers are good for making the brews and running and collecting the ball when it goes over the bar.


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2017 11:12:46
Completely agree, if this happens it will be the second time he has come back from playing regularly and well to just sitting in the stands!

From his perspective if i wasn't allowed out on loan, i would push for a permanent transfer.

The Southern Red

{Ed002's Note - Huddersfield wanted to hang on to him but were told no.}


 

 

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25 may 2017 23:47:26
klopp is going to rack up some avios points from that purchase.

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25 May 2017 19:43:39
he is worth more than £1m, i would say more the £5/ 6m range, however he is young (ish) and english so who knows. plus think we managed to get 15 million for ibe and 6 for smith which was mad in itself.

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25 May 2017 19:01:41
From what i hear there has been a few enquiries from a number of premier league and championship clubs, however quite a few aren't keen on entertaining the idea of the £10m price tag put on him.

Brighton seem the most keen but we shall see if liverpool lower their valuation!

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24 May 2017 08:31:45
Thanks!

interesting point on Owoniyi, guess he is something we don't really have upfront so would be good to see how it plays in and around the team.

I would like to see kent at least given a chance in the pre-season see how he does as he is only 20 and so has lots of time on his hands!

I feel chirivella will have come on leaps and bonds playing for a the eagles, i would like to see him loaned to another eredevise club again (preferable somewhere higher up the table)

Allan, i am hoping another season at hertha, he will become more of a regular in the team, so even if he doesn't get the chance to play for us he will develop nicely!

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13 Jul 2017 14:24:33
Who would you like to see us getting as realistic options to bring in?

The Southern Red

{Ed001's Note - Mendy or Ghoulam for the left, not sure on the right.}


 

 

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10 Jun 2017 11:28:18
we have had enough issue players over the years throwing the name under a bus, we don't need anymore trouble!

Balotelli and Suarez is enough for the 21st century.

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25 May 2017 12:18:06
As would I.

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25 May 2017 12:18:06
As would I.

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14 May 2017 20:43:31
who are you all talking about sorry i can't see a name haha!

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