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21 Aug 2019 14:41:12
Rumour has it Herbie Kane is staying and will be staying in the first team squad, is there any truth in this?

The Southern Red

1.) 21 Aug 2019 18:31:58
I guess it's a " " scenario. Klopp wants him for the League Cup but Kane is still hoping to go out on loan for his development.

I can't blame the lad. If we go far in the League cup, he'll lose his place to more experienced squad players and if we don't, he's stayed to play 1 or 2 games.


2.) 21 Aug 2019 21:09:37
Best of luck to the lad, whichever road he takes.


3.) 21 Aug 2019 21:33:53
Would make no little sense to not let him move on, it seems near impossible to think he has any hope of getting anywhere near our first team now or in the future, he's not that young anymore either he should be looking to move on.


4.) 22 Aug 2019 01:12:20
Is he good? And how is his style of play?


5.) 22 Aug 2019 10:23:54
How are we classing 20 year olds as "not that young"?! Sheer madness!


6.) 22 Aug 2019 11:28:58
I had the pleasure of watching the lad all season at Donny rovers and he was fantastic! He's a midfielder who likes to dictate the tempo but also chipped in with a few goals. By no means am I saying he's ready for the first team but it sounds like a lot of nonsense saying a 20 yo is 'not that young' and to move him on 😂.


7.) 22 Aug 2019 12:14:08
I don't get it either. Why are players expected to be top level so young? If they aren't ready by 23 they are written off? Makes no sense to me, especially looking at how many players over the years we have bought in deemed ready and or good enough for our first team, who have turned out to be poor. Ok it has improved significantly recently, but how many of the roles filled by those signings could have just been given to one of our graduates.


8.) 22 Aug 2019 12:19:09
He played in the Number 6 role for the U23s so potentially there could be a place for him as backup to Fabinho.


9.) 22 Aug 2019 14:23:48
Herbie Kane is not good enough for the first team in my opinion. I know he was rated by Stevie but he has turned into a championship player. (in my opinion)


10.) 22 Aug 2019 15:37:31
And what is (your opinion) based upon irishscouser2?

Unless you followed Doncaster the whole year last year and have attended Liverpool training since then you cannot make such an assumption.


11.) 22 Aug 2019 19:50:38
Playing well for Doncaster means nothing, he has never looked good enough for the first team.

People might think he's old cos he's the oldest looking 20 year old in football.


12.) 22 Aug 2019 20:13:33
How does playing well for Doncaster as a 19 year old mean nothing, their fans and coach raves about him playing.

But to be fair once you are 20 you cannot improve ever you are stuck at that level for life.

“He has never looked good enough for the first team” I wil say It again he’s back from a loan as a 19 year old and the club haven’t loaned him out as want to have him in and around the FIRST team squad.

He may never make it at Liverpool but to write him off now is just plain odd.

{Ed025's Note - yeah...and dirty boots wont clean themselves SR..


13.) 22 Aug 2019 21:44:57
We say the same thing almost every year about a youngster, minus Brewster and TAA who from early on you could see they were better than most. Strange I don't remember them being loaned out.99% of our youngsters are decent players and will do well in the lower leagues, not Liverpool.


14.) 22 Aug 2019 22:32:11
well ed, you must know, if the boot room comes back the golden years are upon us.

I am a fan of Kane, probably won't make it at liverpool but i dislike people discarding young players as "deadwood"

{Ed001's Note - we will only know if he is good enough when he gets a chance.}


15.) 23 Aug 2019 18:26:00
I've said on another thread (regarding the next recruit from the academy after TAA and Brewster) . The fact that Klopp wants him to stay with the first team squad then you never know.

Kane could be the next TAA/ Brewster. At this stage Klopp and the coaching staff know more than we do as they see him in training, and we are just speculating, based on the fact he was at Doncaster last season whether he is or isn't good enough.


16.) 23 Aug 2019 20:04:46
My apologies when I stated he's not that young I never knew he was only 20, I always had the thought he was around the 23 mark, he certainly doesn't look that young.

It's the fact he plays in a position where he's currently 8 or 9th in pecking order is the realistic issue that I see his Liverpool future being unlikely.
Never intended to sound like I was completely writing the lad off.


17.) 25 Aug 2019 08:48:50
9th in the pecking order, who’s ahead of him, you including gerrard and alonso.


18.) 25 Aug 2019 10:03:00
The other Kane, oh yer Harry! Didn’t he get started late too, not everyone develops the same. Might take a few more years so all we care about is talent and him taking chances when they arrive.

20 is nothing, still got 15 years decent football in him maybe more!


19.) 25 Aug 2019 20:09:10
Southern red. fabinho hendo wiji Milner keita OX lallana Jones. That's 8 players who are clearly considered ahead of Kane currently.

Do you really see him competing for first team? Playing in the u23s might benefit him who knows but my point is that it's unlikely he can break into this team and a move would be surely his best career option. Would you not agree?


 

 

20 Aug 2019 12:01:04
Apparently we have rejected an approach from a Norwegian team for Duncan.

The Southern Red

1.) 20 Aug 2019 13:50:15
Would that be "DUNKIN BISCUIT"? Seriously he replaced Brewster last night and did better in his half hour than Brewster in an hour.


2.) 20 Aug 2019 18:33:28
Danish.


3.) 20 Aug 2019 20:23:42
Imho I think Duncan could be a top player.


 

 

12 Aug 2019 13:20:40
Looks like Kane is off to Portsmouth, slightly odd move given last seasons performances but hopefully can help them win the league.

The Southern Red

1.) 12 Aug 2019 16:36:04
Wait are you talking about Mr H kane or Mr H kane 🤔.

{Ed025's Note - herbie would be my guess cod..


2.) 12 Aug 2019 17:55:37
The true H Kane of this country Herbie.


3.) 12 Aug 2019 21:34:01
Harry swore on his daughters life that he would never play for Portsmouth!


4.) 13 Aug 2019 09:26:50
Might be a blessing in disguise considering how little of a summer break he had. International break soon so hopefully Brazil don't rush him back for that and he comes back fit and refreshed.


 

 

06 Aug 2019 16:13:01
Is there any update on ejaria or Kane?

I would of assumed theyd I’ve left by now.

The Southern Red

1.) 06 Aug 2019 17:04:09
Not heard anything on Ejaria. Herbie Kane to Hull City on loan.


2.) 06 Aug 2019 17:16:42
Last I heard, and I am not sure how reliable this is, Herbie Kane was moving to Hull City on loan and Ejaria to Reading permanently.


 

 

06 Aug 2019 12:44:31
Millar back to Kilmarnock, good luck to him!

Surprised that he didn’t go earlier could of got European experience and potentially stopped them from an embarrassing loss!

The Southern Red

1.) 06 Aug 2019 13:16:55
Glad to have him back, and should get more game time this season as a few forward players have left this season.

Probably good for his state of mind that he wasn't involved in the Nomads game!


2.) 06 Aug 2019 14:29:41
You think he couldn’t of at least given a bit more upfront and got you over the line?


 

 

 

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21 Aug 2019 23:20:19
Wow I did not truly understand the damage that they all did to the club! Such an insightful article as always thank you!

You mention a few deals in place that went wrong, Am I right in saying the likes or Ramos, villa, Silva were all close to joining until “something” went wrong!

The Southern Red

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, but I didn't just want to write out a huge list of failed deals as it would have been even more depressing! I just tried to give an idea of how bad it was and why Rafa hated Parry so much.}


1.) 22 Aug 2019 05:00:42
Knowing some of the players we missed out on generally upsets me. Particularly Dani Alves. I think he would have been amazing for us.

{Ed001's Note - especially when you look at what we signed instead. Jermaine F'in Pennant!! Ugh.}


2.) 22 Aug 2019 08:15:50
We had a chance at Dani Alves (who every man and his dog knew would be a beast) and we screwed up and signed Jermaine Pennant? Yeah, and we wonder why we haven't won the PL in 30 years?


3.) 22 Aug 2019 10:50:47
Missing out on a Torres/ Villa partnership is the painful one for me.


4.) 22 Aug 2019 12:49:35
I think that the fact they didn’t sign Alves and bought 2 players instead, and followed that with “in hindsight. ” which is exactly what they said when they decided against buying quality over quantity a few years earlier just shows a real lack of learning lessons.


5.) 22 Aug 2019 10:19:54
Thanks Ed yes, perhaps the site would go into meltdown if you created a team of what we could of been with a decent owner/ CEO/ DOF.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure it would. Just knowing we missed out on David Silva alone is enough for me to want to cry.}


6.) 22 Aug 2019 13:23:35
was rafa trying to turn us into the spain national side?


7.) 22 Aug 2019 14:05:23
as the misses watches celebs go dating, i have had the mis-fortune of seeing bits of it. J Pennant is on it and comes across as a real bell end!

{Ed001's Note - he is a real bell unfortunately. Horrible little gimp.}


 

 

09 Aug 2019 09:25:28
What happened to Kent and Kane leaving.

The Southern Red

{Ed025's Note - no one wanted them.. :)


1.) 09 Aug 2019 10:06:26
Didn’t the hull manager publicly say he wanted Kane on loan?

Assume we priced Kent out of any move, will he just become a squad player for us then?


2.) 09 Aug 2019 10:25:07
Is the Scottish window still
Open?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}


3.) 09 Aug 2019 10:26:41
We can still loan them to European teams until the end of the month (or sell, of course)


4.) 09 Aug 2019 10:33:10
European and Scottish clubs can still sign them. Possible loans for one or two other youngsters still to come also.


5.) 09 Aug 2019 11:24:04
I guess we have sent quite a few to germany, would be a big step for him but think it could pay off!


6.) 09 Aug 2019 12:40:15
Cant they still be loaned to championship clubs? Not sure if that window is shut yet, it used to stay open longer if I remember correctly.

{Ed001's Note - Championship window is closed but everyone below that level, such as Scotland, is still open.}


7.) 09 Aug 2019 13:38:51
I think Kane should be pushing above the Scottish league.


8.) 09 Aug 2019 15:24:00
Ed 001
Kind of piggyback on the above. I am curious as to comparing the level of the Championship, MLS, SPL. I Ike could a Championship side compete in the SPL, or an MLS side compete in the Championship. I live in Orlando and watch MLS occasionally. Just curious as to your thoughts
Thanks
Matt in FL.

{Ed001's Note - MLS is not a good league, the quality is appalling technically, the SPFL has 2 sides way ahead of the rest so it is difficult to compare. If you put any of the teams into the Championship as they stand, they would all struggle to adapt. Celtic and Rangers might be competitive and the MLS teams might be up to the mark physically and be able to use that to pick up results. Overall though none of them are likely to compete at the top end without major surgery on their teams. Mind, having said that, the Championship is such an odd league, as it is so physically demanding that any team that can keep a core fit and firing has a chance.}


9.) 09 Aug 2019 16:59:09
Thanks Ed.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}


10.) 10 Aug 2019 05:05:15
Ed I like your point on the championship being so unpredictable year after year. Teams who can regularly play their strongest 11 consistently have the best joy and
squads with the best individual abilities of players on paper can often struggle. The likes of Leeds, derby, nott forest keep coming up short despite being tipped every year while we've seen the likes of Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Brighton come up strong. The likes of wolves, Leicester, Southampton even climbing 2 divisions in couple of years shows how hard it is to call.

I think Celtic and rangers would not find it easy. The likes of mcgeady, commons, kris boyd, kenny miller, stokes, naismith, sinclair to name a few have all shown to be the top players in SPL at some point but could never prove to be anything more than championship level standard.

{Ed001's Note - Leeds and Forest have not been tipped for a long time mate. Only the arrival of Bielsa last summer changed things for Leeds. Burnley and Cardiff are the best examples of teams that were expected to struggle but instead won promotion. First time around Burnley were literally coming into the season off the back of a firesale to keep the club alive.}


11.) 10 Aug 2019 06:12:24
Ah fair enough I always thought that Leeds and forest were so often just missing out on play off spots every season. Forgot about burnley actually, good shout.

{Ed001's Note - they were both in League One recently mate.}


12.) 10 Aug 2019 07:14:54
Well that's made me look daft haha.


 

 

07 Aug 2019 16:31:05
What’s happened with chirivella?

The Southern Red

1.) 07 Aug 2019 19:54:42
Playing for the U21's later in the EFL trophy.


2.) 07 Aug 2019 20:30:35
Strong line up too.
Atherton; Williams, Berg, Boyes, Larouci; Davies, Chirivella, Lewis; Elliott, Duncan, Jones.


3.) 07 Aug 2019 21:02:47
I thought chirivella went to sporting?


 

 

06 Aug 2019 14:32:12
With Harry Wilson leaving do you think we will see us finally bring in Simao? Think he would offer a good replacement to what Wilson would offer us.

The Southern Red

1.) 06 Aug 2019 16:32:44
Potentially but I think we'll probably use the money for David Villa.


2.) 06 Aug 2019 16:56:32
Konoplyanka on deadline day.


3.) 06 Aug 2019 19:55:28
No. it is yarmalenko hat we are after.


4.) 06 Aug 2019 19:56:32
Is Clint Dempsey no longer available?


 

 

03 Aug 2019 14:21:45
I’m very surprised we haven’t seen players head out on loan already, it would make sense to allow them pre season at the new club!

The Southern Red

1.) 03 Aug 2019 15:29:49
I think Klopp wanted to take a look at them, so you will see some move this week, only issue with that is clubs may have already made decisions on when they need to improve so any loans now may be team panicking so we need to ensure the loans are worthwhile for the youngsters.


2.) 03 Aug 2019 15:46:38
We have seven players out on loan.


3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:52:28
Likes of Herbie Kane, Awoniyi, Millar etc.


4.) 03 Aug 2019 16:37:01
I think Herbie Kane is going on loan to Hull City, and Awoniyi to Nice. I've not heard anything about a loan for Millar yet.


5.) 03 Aug 2019 18:19:17
The one thing that seems evident under klopp is that when players are happily made available for loan there seems to little chance of a LFC future. The likes of Trent, Gomez and now brewster were deemed good enough and kept around the first team. Only origi has been let on loan and fought back his place, and he was very close to being moved on. Only maybe grujic and woodburn seem like they may have a future if they impress. Kent, Wilson, ojo, ejaria have never been wanted to be kept in the squad. If the likes of Lewis, laroucci, vdb, kjh are kept within the club I'd be happy. Maybe Curtis Jones and Phillips are possible outgoings this week.


6.) 03 Aug 2019 19:10:52
But if this herbie kane makes undeniable progress then he will get a chance again.


 

 

 

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25 Aug 2019 08:48:50
9th in the pecking order, who’s ahead of him, you including gerrard and alonso.

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22 Aug 2019 22:32:11
well ed, you must know, if the boot room comes back the golden years are upon us.

I am a fan of Kane, probably won't make it at liverpool but i dislike people discarding young players as "deadwood"

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22 Aug 2019 22:28:11
think the juicer has been juicing too much and his brain has gone to mush.

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22 Aug 2019 20:13:33
How does playing well for Doncaster as a 19 year old mean nothing, their fans and coach raves about him playing.

But to be fair once you are 20 you cannot improve ever you are stuck at that level for life.

“He has never looked good enough for the first team” I wil say It again he’s back from a loan as a 19 year old and the club haven’t loaned him out as want to have him in and around the FIRST team squad.

He may never make it at Liverpool but to write him off now is just plain odd.

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22 Aug 2019 20:10:00
Sign new deal get MOTM vs old club. Not a bad few days eh.

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22 Aug 2019 10:19:54
Thanks Ed yes, perhaps the site would go into meltdown if you created a team of what we could of been with a decent owner/ CEO/ DOF.

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{Ed001's Note - I am sure it would. Just knowing we missed out on David Silva alone is enough for me to want to cry.}


 

 

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22 Aug 2019 10:18:23
Ed next time put in a funny anecdote that isn’t true, like hodgson once tried to sign pirlo by inviting him to pizza express in Liverpool, and see if you can trick them into writing about it.

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{Ed001's Note - we did do things like that in the past and they showed up in newspapers and other media around the world.}


 

 

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21 Aug 2019 13:44:17
I understand what you mean, it’s great when you have homegrown talent in the team, but that only gets you so far if you want to compete at the top you have to be ruthless about players.

I actually think he has a negative impact on the team, he just doesn’t seem focused on football more interested it doing silly handshakes or instagram videos. If he left I would imagine Rashford would be much more focused.

He’s like that class clown who people laugh at and then sometimes join in but are very disruptive to the flow of the classroom.

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17 Aug 2019 11:38:00
Thanks ST, send our love to joe!

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15 Aug 2019 09:56:10
Blimey I tell you what Kante is so bloody good, he will be the difference in that team this year.

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