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22 Jul 2015 21:25:29
Benteke is done. All announced in the official site with the usual pics.
I (still) think he's going to be very very good for us.
Good luck and welcome big fella.
15 Jul 2015 13:16:44
Conspiracy theory for the day: Bogdan has been given the Number 34 jersey even though 1 is free.
Might we be surprised by a new keeper? Could Big Mig be the "surprise" departure?
1.) 15 Jul 2015 13:52:49
Oh don't get my hopes up, lol!
Can't remember, did Jones have no 1?
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2.) 15 Jul 2015 14:03:19
He did. Yes.
3.) 15 Jul 2015 14:03:55
Maybe he didn't take the 1 knowing he was the 2nd keeper?
4.) 15 Jul 2015 14:40:39
Mignolet out Handanovic in? If only.
5.) 15 Jul 2015 16:40:47
Mignolet was great the second half of the season even with the leeky defence
6.) 16 Jul 2015 14:05:48
he is the reason for the leaky defence
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28 Sep 2015 09:08:58
Haven't been on the site in a while and for the first ever time I have a snippet of info. Seems that Macca well and truly beat me to it though.
I know a guy with villa in Portugal New neighbor arrives - one of the biggest names in our club ever. A guy still involved with the legends / pre-season tours and all that. I'm not saying more than that.
I can't say it was a long chat but the talk turned to Ancelotti. The as I heard it was that CA has been "told by the club not to take another job".
I was all excited that I had the scoop but as I say Macca got their first. It its a lest corroborative though.
1.) 28 Sep 2015 10:02:11
Seems believable enough to me!
2.) 28 Sep 2015 10:42:44
pre season tours. It's either Rush, Fowler or Garcia. Portugal is obviously very close to Spain so you'd think it's Garcia, but then again the Brits do love getting a tan down in the Iberian Peninsula.
3.) 28 Sep 2015 10:55:28
Sure. Thanks for sharing.
4.) 28 Sep 2015 11:12:12
It's Fowler.
14 Aug 2015 08:10:25
There has been a few posts lately on Brenda's relationship with the players.
Some speak highly of him and there are others that have been critical of their treatment.
My take on it is that he has his inner circle of favourites. An "ingroup". Before anybody reacts to that this is an acceptable management practice - if the favourites are selected for the right reasons (top performers, commitment etc). This approach can spur the ingroupers on to new heights and motivate these outside to do whatever they can to get in. Those that cannot might leave - this can also be a good thing if the right people are leaving.
But there is a dark side. The outsiders can feel ostracised and become demotivated. Particularly If the selection of the insiders feels unjust or unfair (for example if it comes down to personality or some other kind of personal connection). Or some kind of personality clash.
I think what we are seeing is an inexperienced people manager. I'm specifically not talking about his football brain here. Whereas what he may be trying to do (which might be generous to say as it could be he is not trying to anything) could work but the execution of it is poor. Part if it is emotional - every supporter gas his own favourites and it is frustrating when the boss has different ones. But he is the boss and has that right.
There's no quick fix to this as people management styles tend not to change quickly. I hope the new coaches provide a better interface between playing staff and boss.
I hope I'm wrong but it does feel there might be a house of cards that could come tumbling down.
1.) 14 Aug 2015 09:01:27
Very interesting post and obviously a lot of thought has gone into it. But I fail to understand the need to call the manager of LFC "Brenda"
2.) 14 Aug 2015 09:13:30
He has the right to use a player in his favourite circle who is not performing over another because he is the manager?
Err. No he does not, that is not management at all?
An acceptable management practice??? WTF are you on about. He is supposed to represent LFC which is who pays his wages. He should do that in a professional non bias manner. Show me any contract of employment that would allow "acceptable management practice" that you are on about to allow such contempt of other professionals within that business.
And where does your take leave potential in bound players? Questioning if they will be in the "in crowd". Just easier not to sign.
You are dreaming mate if you think rogers only short coming is man management.
There is a quick fix and its easy thought the opportunity was not used at the end of last season
3.) 14 Aug 2015 10:19:59
I think we make a lot of assumptions about the manager's relationships with his players and our assumptions are normally biased by our personnel opinion of him.
My own assumption is he does have favourites and that attitude is often more important to him than ability. The much lambasted Allen is nobodies idea of a great midfielder but is a player who accepts his role within the squad and still works his socks off. Meanwhile Lucas, a better player, but one who no longer wants to be a squad player, would be allowed to leave.
I think he wants to be a decisive and firm manager but has yet to learn that every player has different characters and need to be managed differently.
4.) 14 Aug 2015 11:31:44
A few responses.
1, I did't say it was his "only shortcoming". I specifically said I was not discussing his football brain. RTFP.
2. Of course he has the right to pick any player he wants. You may disagree with his reasons but there is no way you can say it is not his call to make.
3. Inbound players - it depends. But there is at least anecdotal evidence that some players have gone straight into the ingroup and others (not the managers choic?) have gone into the outgroup. In itself that shouldn't matter as long as there is movement between the groups for the right reasons.
4. Acceptable management practice. Obviously RedalLover thinks he has more training in management theory. But if you bother to look at Ingroup and Outgroup theory you really will find that it is real thing. You see it everywhere - particularly in politics and organisations with high levels of internal politics. I think you might be confusing the practice with the execution of the practice.
5.) 14 Aug 2015 11:32:44
It's threads like these that ultimately caused many a stadium to not be filled during the tour. The lack of Gerrard et all is one thing but from my travels around Thailand, Indonesia and my own country Malaysia, there is a general dark mood that revolves around Brendan Rodgers.
I hope FSG know what they're doing by backing him with so much cash. The whole 'international brand' draw card that Ian Ayre spouts could give a collective cold shoulder. You'd see that in the balance sheet in two years but by then, reversing a trend would be difficult.
6.) 14 Aug 2015 12:01:38
He shouldn't have a group, if there are injuries and rotation is needed everyone in the squad should know as much as the rest.
7.) 14 Aug 2015 15:29:54
Yeah. It will be the thread that kept stadia in Asia being full.
8.) 16 Aug 2015 20:00:22
User, your post makes no sense. Agreed that managers have players they trust more than others. What they don't or shouldn't do is treat very good senior players like Sahko and Lucas disgracefully, turning on them and trashing them openly just because you don't fancy them. It's even worse when his favs are actually inferior to those he doesn't like nor can't win games with them but does when the non favs play. That is not normal in management. That is only normal in BR's and his acolytes deluded world.
07 Aug 2015 11:38:07
Not strictly transfer banter but I hope the eds will allow it to lighten the mood.
OK - you wake up tomorrow morning and there's a car waiting to take you to Melwood. You are taken into a secret underground void and through a series of locked door where a man in a suit and sunglasses greets you. He smells vaguely of sandalwood but you conclude that's not important.
"We've been watching you on that Banter site. You seem to know your stuff. We've chosen you to carry out one special task"
"We've built a time machine that we can use to go back in time and bring any one former reds player to add to the squad this season. But only one".
"You can pick anybody you like except Djimi Traore - we went back and erased him from history". It can be any other player but remember - the machine can only take one. We've a season to play so pick somebody the team needs - not necessarily your fave player"
So - which player from which year do you bring forward to help this year's campaign?
1.) 07 Aug 2015 13:28:45
Alonso
2.) 07 Aug 2015 13:30:02
Didi Hamann. Rock solid and reliable DM.
3.) 07 Aug 2015 13:31:22
Xabi Alonso
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hypia
OR
Mascherano
4.) 07 Aug 2015 13:33:39
Suarez, would make any team of ours score and not look flaccid. That or Xabi.
5.) 07 Aug 2015 13:38:03
Ray Clemence
6.) 07 Aug 2015 13:40:10
I am torn between Dalglish and Suarez.
Last season we missed creativity and a player that can run at the opposition defence causing fear and havoc , Dalglish and Suarez did this very well with ease.
7.) 07 Aug 2015 13:40:37
Degen.
8.) 07 Aug 2015 13:52:07
Clemence. Not that I watched him live but we badly need a proper gk and from what I have seen from previous videos he was the best
9.) 07 Aug 2015 13:57:06
Reina
10.) 07 Aug 2015 14:06:09
To improve the current squad,it has to be Hypia for me.
11.) 07 Aug 2015 14:11:33
Hansen
12.) 07 Aug 2015 14:17:07
Graham Souness
There,s your captain, enforcer and defensive mid all in one
13.) 07 Aug 2015 14:19:49
Ian Rush ?????
14.) 07 Aug 2015 14:34:04
John Barnes in his prime, what a player!
15.) 07 Aug 2015 14:39:37
Billy Liddell. Some say he was the greatest ever Liverpool player.
16.) 07 Aug 2015 15:15:31
2005 Steven Gerrard
17.) 07 Aug 2015 15:20:11
El Hadji Diouf ;)
18.) 07 Aug 2015 15:29:32
Alonso, 6 years and infinte money spend, close to 150 goals conceded. Bring him back. The best player in the midfield and I have seen All three of Gerrard, Lamaprd and Scholes play throughot.
19.) 07 Aug 2015 15:35:59
Do you think a player from the 70s era would be able to have as much impact nowadays, there's so much improvement in lifestyle, training, fitness etc
20.) 07 Aug 2015 15:56:36
Can I go back and get a young Paisley instead of a player?
21.) 07 Aug 2015 16:06:41
Hansen
We need a class centre half and he was the best
22.) 07 Aug 2015 17:03:42
Suarez
23.) 07 Aug 2015 17:07:51
Has to be a center half right now. Hyppia at the height of his career is a good choice. A Mascherano-type player is what we really need in this side (though I'm sure a few would disagree!)
24.) 07 Aug 2015 17:26:27
Igor Biscan, no question.
25.) 07 Aug 2015 18:06:23
Hansen but difficult decision over clemence and Souness
26.) 07 Aug 2015 17:51:31
1) Graeme Souness from 1983.
2) Rush
3) Emlyn Hughes
27.) 07 Aug 2015 19:40:36
Current first eleven need a Steve McMahon !!!
28.) 07 Aug 2015 19:43:19
McMahon, Emlyn Hughes both give this lot and BR what for
29.) 07 Aug 2015 21:15:11
You're all mental, it's kenny dalglish all day.
Firmino dalglish coutinho
Benteke
30.) 07 Aug 2015 22:30:54
Souness.
King Kenny
Rushy
In that order, if we wanted to win anything.
31.) 08 Aug 2015 03:43:31
Emile Heskey
32.) 08 Aug 2015 06:25:13
Souness for me
{Ed001's Note - I am with you on that, Souness was the best midfielder I have ever seen.}
33.) 08 Aug 2015 06:51:10
Antonio Nunez. but only because Swampy has already picked me
34.) 08 Aug 2015 08:13:24
Souness, McMahon, Hansen or Carragher. We need a midfield vocal enforcer and some quality organisation in the centre of defence
24 Jul 2015 09:55:18
Ed's how does this game time assurance thing really work?
I have a legal background and while you can put anything you like in a contract I'm struggling to see what the consequence of breach would be. That is, if a player is guaranteed to play X games if he is fit but the manager doesn't pick him for whatever reason what can happen? He can sue for breach of contract but as he gets paid anyway he hasn't really lost anything (match bonuses maybe?).
Or does the player have some kind of right he can activate if his contractual threshold isn't met?
{Ed001's Note - it is not a contract issue, it is a manager making a promise. I remember the same thing saw Stephen Warnock leave, after Ged promised he would give him games and then broke the promise.}
1.) 24 Jul 2015 13:54:10
Thanks Ed.
It's a funny one isn't it. It seems like a slippery slope - you can't promise everybody game time and you always want to put out the best team you can. And you don't often buy a player with the thought in your mind of not playing him.
I can't imagine the Special One or Rednose (or Shankly but that was a different era) ever promising anybody anything. I worry it is more a foot-in-mouth problem that has created issues and mistrust.
I'm sure I over simplify but it would surely be better to have a we-always-put-out-the-best-team-and-if-you-play-to-your-potential-you-have-a-good-chance-but-no-guarantee-of being-in-it. policy. But that requires players and managers to trust each other and that, may be exactly the issue we are facing.
19 Jul 2015 13:44:54
I've been thinking about the site and I think the contributors break down into 3 categories.
First there are the Unhakeable Loyalists. The Number 1 Fan. These are the posters that will not stand for any criticism of any player for any reason as to do so would be disloyal to the club. This group distrusts and discredits and potential signing on the basis that they cost too much, there are better players out there, we have better players in the squad already and new players block the way fir academy players.
Second there are the Transfer Window Debaters. This group become Loyalists once the window closes. This group will express opinions for or against new signings and for or against current staff but will get behind whoever is in place at the end of the window and be happy to be proven right about the players they backed and be proven wrong about the players they did not want to sign or wanted to get rid of. Most of all this group just wants the club to get better and get back to winning ways - whatever it takes.
Third there are the Selfists. The I Told You So Brigade. The Selfists are more interested in being right than anything else. If they don't like a player or a signing they'd take more pleasure in him screwing up (and our team suffering) than they would by him being a success (and our team benefiting). These are the group that hope signing X flops because then the manager will get sacked. They are the ones that in a year from now (assuming we don't win the quadruple) that will tell you that we should have listened to them and if we had we would have won the quadruple.
I'm in the second group. I think Captain Colgate is a clown and ought to have gone. But he didn't and I don't want him to be fired mid season as that means we won't be doing well. I don't think Moreno is up to it but if he's still here in September then I hope he makes the Premier League team of the season. I think Benteke will be great for us.
For those of you in the first group. I kind of get where you're coming from but I worry that complacency might leave us just being ok rather than great again. I have nothing to say to those of you in the third group.
1.) 19 Jul 2015 14:30:56
I think there are a lot more groups than 3.
The Chelsea Obsessives - the debate / argument ends up mentioning Chelsea.
The "I can't be bothered to scroll down / use the search key" to look at the latest update.
The "The Ed's stated something, I read / heard on a non reputable source something different - let's have a dig at the Ed's".
The "Financial advisers"; if we sell Sterling for x amount then we have x amount to spend and forget about all other of the financial aspects.
The "Match of the Day / Fifa Crew" - Hi Ed's do we have an interest in x player.
TI'm sure there are a lot more not mentioned as well.
2.) 19 Jul 2015 14:53:09
Now which group do i stand in? Hmmmm.
3.) 19 Jul 2015 14:52:24
Top OP man. one of the very best.
I would add another two more groups.
1. Remember Alex took 8 years. they go back to 80's and 70's
2. Remember Ian Rush took 3 years to settle down. They need 3 years for every player to score a goal
😂😂😂😂
4.) 19 Jul 2015 18:41:56
Optimist: "We'll challenge for everything and win a few pieces of sulver for sure!"
Realist: "We've added some interesting pieces, have addressed some issues, but there are still holes. A CL challenge should be target."
Fatalist: ". and he sucks, and he sucks, and he's terrible, and. "
5.) 19 Jul 2015 18:51:09
Top post as well. I am in the second group as well because in the end I want my club to do well and will be gutted if BR screws up more because that means the club is in bad shape. I can support my club and at the same time disagree with its policies and decision making atimes. EG, I like your two groups as well.
19 Jul 2015 13:52:02
I know it was a typo but that didn't stop me imagining what an U2 World Cup would look like.
Quite a lot of handballs I'd imagine.
17 Jul 2015 20:38:13
Take the money and run. Nice kid but gets caught out of position way way way too often.
15 Jul 2015 14:11:14
Well, thanks Ed. I have a mental image of a cleaning auditor checking how well a toilet has been cleaned while the guy in the next stall passes on transfer gossip.
{Ed001's Note - if it is good enough for MI5, then it is good enough for us to find out info from!}
15 Jul 2015 14:03:19
He did. Yes.
15 Jul 2015 13:19:25
What is a cleaning audit and how can checking on cleanliness give any insights into Lallana's future.
{Ed001's Note - maybe it was a typo and he meant his mate cleans Audis? Just kidding, it is when you have someone go round checking that the cleaning is done properly, in layman's terms.}
02 Nov 2015 18:48:55
Spot on pal. Well said.
Some have got so used to the dark days that they aren't seeing the light.
Let's focus on the positives. Milner has a lot of quality and we need to trust Klopp to bring out the best in him.
Milner could have stayed where he was but chose to come to play for us. The one thing you can't question is his effort levels. He's trying hard for us. Let's get behind the lad.
25 Oct 2015 17:49:30
See above.
Told ya.
Come on boys. Let's close this out.
25 Oct 2015 16:59:01
Oh come on Red.
This team is not set up anything like a Rodgers team.
Aside from how they are set up just look at what Sakho and Lucas can do when they feel loved. And look what Can can do in his favorites position.
The key now is how quickly we can unlearn the Rodgers one attacking ploy: tippy tappy through the middle trying to walk it into the net with one note of variety of an occasional Coutinho cut inside and shoot from distance.
I reckon we might see Benteke on for Origi at HT and then we will see what happens.
13 Oct 2015 17:57:54
I'm with Ed and all the other doubters - I'm sure he is a nice guy but he's not a top drawer keeper.
The back 5 has been our biggest problem for a while now. Even when we came second we had a shocking defensive record.
We need to trust Klopp now. He will see these problems. He will fix these problems. But it will take time.
And we supporters damaging Mig's confidence in the meantime won't help anything.
02 Sep 2015 12:45:39
Ed, thanks for explaining the loan to buy. So is it then the case (hypothetically speaking) that if the player has a stunning season and we wanted him back and we were able to convince him that was the right thing (remember this is hypothetical) then the player could say "I'm off back to Anfield" and there is nothing the loaned-to club could do irrespective of the right to buy?
If so that's good for us. It does make the right to buy a bit meaningless though.
(Note for all those thinking of posting "that situation could never happen because [insert rant here] . RTFP! It's a hypothetical question about the nature of these agreements.)
{Ed002's Note - You are confusing a "loan to buy" with a loan with an option to buy".}