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14 Jun 2018 11:23:10
Just been sent our fixtures for next season, West ham at home opening day, followed by a pretty fair few weeks. Everton at home 1st of December is the first Derby 15th Dec Man u at home. See tomorrow if what I've been sent is true.

Waro

1.) 14 Jun 2018 11:34:13
What have you been sent Waro?


2.) 14 Jun 2018 11:38:12
Tomorrow? It’s on the LFC website Waro. and yes that’s correct. Think it’s a good fixture list IMO.


3.) 14 Jun 2018 11:40:08
The fixtures were released around an hour or so ago Waro.


4.) 14 Jun 2018 12:26:34
Quick, Waro, get to the Delorean! ;-)


5.) 14 Jun 2018 12:52:40
Waro is speaking of his post yesterday regarding Fekir and Klopps reaction to the transfer not going ahead.


6.) 14 Jun 2018 13:14:09
I thought Waro was referring to his post next year about the 2019-20 fixtures?!

I'm confused!


7.) 14 Jun 2018 13:19:11
The fixtures went up on the BBC site 3 hours ago for all teams. but I like the way how Tottenham and Chelsea away in September followed by Man City at home is part of a 'fair few weeks'. we haven't even got the UCL fixtures yet, which'll add to the melee. I personally think we've got a good November and December. Let's hope all the lads come back fit and raring to go.


8.) 14 Jun 2018 23:12:14
Waro you’ve outdone yourself lad, didn’t think you’d top those ITK starting lineups you pretended you didn’t steal off Twitter.


9.) 15 Jun 2018 14:41:39
We have 6 away games before ou UCL games including Arsenal, Spurs and chelsea. Suboptimal at best but it is what it is.


 

 

13 Jun 2018 10:43:29
Passing on what I've heard; The fekir deal is ongoing, Liverpool wanted the payments restructuring and a significant reduction in the fee after the medical, Lyon then walked away, klopp is apparently furious and I mean furious and wants explanations, he's supposedly said "amateurish negotiating" I'm paraphrasing but it was essentially that.

Waro

1.) 13 Jun 2018 11:05:39
Interesting stuff Waro. The saga continues.


2.) 13 Jun 2018 11:06:55
Sounds about right for us involved in any transfer. 😂
Fingers crossed it still happens but what will be will be.


3.) 13 Jun 2018 11:11:24
Thanks Waro.


4.) 13 Jun 2018 11:11:28
Please, get Fekir already, take the risk, make me happy, move on?


5.) 13 Jun 2018 11:12:50
Not this again!
Not Fekir again!


6.) 13 Jun 2018 11:35:17
Were is this from Waro?


7.) 13 Jun 2018 12:26:03
Cheers Waro, ignore the ones that moan!


8.) 13 Jun 2018 12:26:35
I wonder in which part his furious. Edwards, Lyon or both. I totally get it tho. Going on vacation with the deal 90% wrapped up. Photos, interviews, shirtnumber, and then they can't agree on a compromised figure. Get it done Kloppo. It's a calculated risk. Fekir has been playing more minutes than many healthy players the last couple of seasons.


9.) 13 Jun 2018 12:42:08
I find it pretty hilarious that jurgen " the rules don't apply to me and I will tap up player's illegally as many times as I want to " klopp would dare criticise anyone else about amatuerish negotiating and transfer dealings. Ridiculous from him if accurate.


10.) 13 Jun 2018 13:09:20
I believe it. I still don't think we've heard the end of this saga.


11.) 13 Jun 2018 13:42:55
Thank's for that Waro.


12.) 13 Jun 2018 14:33:09
Reading some people's responses you'd have to wonder if they actually support LFC at all.

I'm not massively hopeful but I'd love us to sign Fekir!


13.) 13 Jun 2018 15:46:47
"How the fekir am I supposed to replace Couts with your fekiring amateurish negotiating 😠"


14.) 13 Jun 2018 16:17:06
As much as I’d love us to sign Fekir I’m not upset at the club in how they have conducted themselves if this is true.
If the issue WAS the medical surely it’s right that if there’s a doubt over long term fitness that this is addressed, of course Lyon want as much as possible but surely LFC were right to discuss the fee, Lyon didn’t have to budge though.
If I went to buy a car/ house and found something that could cause a fault I’d want to discuss lowering price to cover myself.


15.) 13 Jun 2018 16:39:06
This is like buying a second hand car which had previous records of an accident. So the buyer wants to reduce the price of the car and the seller refused to do so. As a result the buyer walked out while the seller screamed profanity at him.

But as soon as the buyer 'really' walked out of the door, the seller calls him back. to be continued.


16.) 13 Jun 2018 16:58:12
Thanks for the info Waro.

Personally I don't believe the transfer will happen. I said it weeks ago and I'll say it today, it reminds me far too much of the Lemar situation last year, everybody saying how it was a done deal and all that BS and nothing ever came of it. I see this situation going down exactly the same way. People pay too much attention to places like 'the firm' (FKFB) if you look thoroughly at their page you'll see how useless they are and how wrong they get it lol and that page is just one of many claiming to be 'in the know'. I'll believe it if the Eds say a deal is imminent or the club posts pics of him in Liverpool shirt but I'd bet a large sum of money we won't see that.


17.) 13 Jun 2018 17:05:05
Cheers Waro,

The owners won’t pay 😉.


18.) 13 Jun 2018 17:02:07
Haha well in waro.


19.) 13 Jun 2018 18:22:04
if the car that I was looking at, was found to be in a crash of any kind, I would just walk away, not worth buying it, even at a lower price, and if a five minute google would tell me that damage was likely possible, now, and more in the future, then I would not invest any time in looking,
take note, any transfer people .


20.) 13 Jun 2018 19:17:37
Thanks for sharing Waro.


21.) 13 Jun 2018 19:46:28
Thanks Waro, your pretty spot on when it comes to your info.


22.) 13 Jun 2018 20:23:21
There goes the rest of my hair!


23.) 14 Jun 2018 10:14:16
Don’t know why we are trying for fekir. We have lazar markovich in our squad who is in the top 10 players on the planet at the minute. He just needs game time. Also Adam bogdan should be no1. Save us money too.


24.) 14 Jun 2018 11:21:26
Mo correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the Lemar deal right at the end of the transfer window with little or no time left for negotiation?
There’s still 2 months left of this window and if you believe the reports Fekir is desperate to come and Klopp is desperate to sign him. I should think after Suarez and Coutinho in recent season we should all know how that scenario usually ends.


 

 

24 Mar 2018 20:49:34
Just thought I'd pass on this, I said in the summer we were interested in Max Meyer, obviously it didn't happen, but the same lad has text me today saying they're definitely making a move for him this summer a far more aggressive approach than last time. Make of it what you will but that's what I've been told.

Waro

1.) 24 Mar 2018 21:39:05
Thanks Waro, I’d be happy with his arrival especially for free.


2.) 24 Mar 2018 23:20:04
Fair play Waro. Either way it makes sense with the profile of player we're after in midfield.
Just whilst I have the chance, although we have different views on things, on reflection I didn't mean to make any personal insults the other day. So my apologies if the end of my replies came to that, I get so passionate sometimes it's easy to lose myself in the moment. YNWA.


3.) 24 Mar 2018 23:44:10
Cheers for the info mate.


4.) 25 Mar 2018 03:37:18
Glad to see you seem the Ed’s update waro 🎣.


5.) 25 Mar 2018 03:28:11
Could be an alternative for Jorginho. But that means we have to sign a CDM regardless. Without Can, our midfield will lack strength and aggression.


6.) 25 Mar 2018 08:24:57
I can see Meyer, Ceballos and Lemar arrive in the summer.


7.) 25 Mar 2018 10:24:09
Jonesred no way we sign all 3 mate. Ed02 said forget Lemar for now.


8.) 25 Mar 2018 11:19:51
If Jorginho goes elsewhere, Klopp will probably throw the money at Meyer and his agent. Good chance we may see a proper 6 also signed to pair with Keita and Meyer/ Jorginho.
Lemar too expensive and ceballos will 100 % not be coming to BPL.


9.) 25 Mar 2018 12:32:11
Would be more than happy with Keita and Meyer coming in the summer. Ceballos too. I don't expect that Jorginho nor Lemar to join us.


 

 

09 Jun 2017 13:47:06
The owners are in for a tough time in the next few months, trust me!

Waro

1.) 09 Jun 2017 13:56:55
Why? Happy to trust you if you shed some light as to how you know this.


2.) 09 Jun 2017 14:17:03
Why shld we trust you? Or are you personally going to give them a hard time?


3.) 09 Jun 2017 14:21:12
And so they should seein they are ultimately responsible if staff are draggin the clubs name through the mud.


4.) 09 Jun 2017 14:22:13
The thing is they would have to pick between how serious they are in running the football club in buying the best players for serious money or sticking to their pathetic money ball ideology with the risk of we lacking behind in winning trophies for the club.


5.) 09 Jun 2017 14:29:08
Spirit of Shankly are planning again TIA19.


6.) 09 Jun 2017 14:53:36
Oh my god. Lallana the reason no ed commented is because they have probably shot themselves.

Moneyball ideology? Jesus christ. We are one of the biggest spenders is world football. We didn't pull out of vvd for money reasons, but becsuse we approached the deal ass backwards. Same as salah, that's pending an investigation.

There was no worries from the owbers when spending 100 mil for the king, 200 mil for brendan or 80 mil for klopp.

Firmino, lallana, lovren, mane, wij where bought for about 140 mil.

Get a grip and stop watching stupid films and then spending your time basig your ideaology on them.

The money ball system was never about savung money because there cheap bastards but with abit more care and detail you can build a better team thay just spending millions.

Even chelsea are at that juncture.

Wheras city have yet to learn.

Tottenham have learned it.

United havent.

Leicster learned it.

We havent.

You can always spend money but for example its not always the big shiny names but the ones that will fit your team better.

{Ed001's Note - Moneyball is a lie anyway, it never existed and if people took the time to read up they would know it is nonsense.}


7.) 09 Jun 2017 15:45:19
What's the plan waro? You and the other goons planning a protest? Meet in the pub and brain storm how you can infiltrate the club and run it yourself?! God. it's tiresome. Zzzz.


8.) 09 Jun 2017 19:15:58
It will harm the club.


9.) 09 Jun 2017 20:13:08
You know effective scouting can find players that are much cheaper and not found yet, I think we got some Brazilian lad like that. what's his name again?
Or we can go the Labour route and spend spend spend and let the club go bankrupt! Sorry for that Labour voters.
FSG have spent big, they have invested - the sums for players are huge now and getting bigger.


10.) 09 Jun 2017 20:39:12
Waro you can't just up and spend 800m on players, you have to balance the books, unless you want us to go into administration. You and the other members of the SOS have to realise that FSG are doing a good job, they are putting in their own money and you should know that given your access to Ed002's wealth of knowledge. Please get out of La la land and realise that if you charge into FSG's office with swords and take over the club, the glory days won't suddenly return, football has changed and we are on the backfoot commercially. We have a talented squad and success should return under the helm of Judgen Klopp, you SOS lot will do nothing but make that process more difficult. I don't suppose any of you have 100m hidden in the back of your couch? If not, stop causing unnecessary conflict and support your club.


11.) 09 Jun 2017 23:50:53
I have a great deal of time for Waro but believe he will only be happy when the club is owned by fans living in liverpool and nobody outside of that are allowed to have tickets ( he seems to forget that most of them will tout the tickets out, which is evident on match days) it's about time all the groups opposed to FSG just stopped moaning and actually supported the club, their agenda is miss guided in my opinion.


12.) 10 Jun 2017 15:30:31
Excellent post SuperMane. That's an eye opener for all who are miles away from reality. The club should not and would not be held ransom. Salah not in million years is worth what Roma is asking for ( reported €40 mill ) would Chelsea even touch him for that price?
Falling for Waro would make you completely hatter towards FSG.


 

 

16 May 2017 20:52:11
I've been told today by someone who normally gives me decent information that Max Meyer is to be seriously persued this summer champions league or not.

Waro

1.) 16 May 2017 22:04:08
Thanks for the info waro.

I'm not sure he's good enough though, fairly poor return on goals and assists. Hasn't really kicked on this year as many would have hoped.


2.) 16 May 2017 22:58:24
Thanks for sharing Waro. Meyer is a decent player, but has not kicked on like Brandt or Sane has, but he is versatile, and can play wide or in central midfield in a 3 as an attacking player.


3.) 16 May 2017 23:01:58
Gareth Bale is coming too.

Thanks for the info Waro 👍.


4.) 17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.


5.) 17 May 2017 13:34:55
Hard to judge him as he is used as a squad player. 2 goals and 5 assists in 1600 odd minutes according to stat sites. Hardly poor for a 21 year old attacking midfielder.

It's his all around game and his potential that you pay for, and that is excellent. For me, it spells the end for someone. Look at all the young attacking midfield players we have; Ojo, Wilson, Brannagan, Ejaria, Woodburn, Grujic, Kent and even Arnold to some extent. Meyer though to be fair is probably better than all of them excluding Grujic, Arnold and Woodburn. So perhaps if we were to sell/ loan Brannagan, Ojo, Wilson, Ejaria and Kent it makes sense. We do need to improve our squad depth and Meyer is a player who doesn't mind being a squad player. He seems level headed enough to understand that is his current level, despite his enormous potential. Could be good business.


6.) 17 May 2017 13:47:34
Good points by MK, the kid burst out into the scene at a very early age, and has much room for development. However, I would be worried about his position, since he was seen as an alternative to Brandt, the much-coveted LW option for our squad. I admit to not watching much of Meyer, but I always had the impression his position was a bit unclear, but seen as more central. That would make him a good back-up for the periods when Couts is out injured or needs a rest, but would not offer the speed and directness that a genuine LW could bring?


7.) 17 May 2017 15:14:40
He's very versatile Drigan. I've seen him play Right midfield, attacking midfield, right wing, second striker and even centre mid. Weirdly enough though, I've never seen him play on the left.

As you say, I don't think his eventual position has been decided yet. His touch and movement is fantastic though. He can link play up no matter where he plays.


8.) 17 May 2017 18:34:57
Not sure he's an improvement on what we have though.

He wouldn't displace Couts, lallana, wiji or Emre.

I also don't think he's much better than Wilson or Grujic our current 2 young midfielders waiting for game time.


9.) 17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.


10.) 17 May 2017 18:52:33
If hardly count playing right mid and right wing as versatile mk ;)


11.) 17 May 2017 19:24:30
Of course it is Fencey. Playing on the right of a midfield is much much defensively demanding than playing on the right of a forward line. A lot of forward players (Pedro for instance) have to be played as a dedicated wide forward because they can't or won't track back.

I get what you mean though. In an attacking sense, your role doesn't really change except that right wingers are expected to contribute more goals.

Really not sure people can put Wilson in the same bracket as Meyer by the way. I like Wilson but Meyer is a first team squad player who makes nearly 30 appearances a season for 3 years running. Wilson has had 20 minutes off the bench unless you include a few failed loan moves in sub-par leagues.

Meyer is potentially world class and could be an excellent long term replacement for Coutinho or Lallana; as Coutinho may well leave to go to Barcelona eventually, and Lallana is getting on for 30 years old and also isn't really that great anyway.

It is about long term investment sometimes. Chelsea didn't sign Zouma to instantly play every game. He is a long term project. A player with immense potential who they have brought in to be moulded into exactly what they need when the likes of Terry and Cahill are gone.


12.) 18 May 2017 18:39:00
Brandt is way ahead of him and has been since the Olympics last summer were both along with Sule were very good.


13.) 19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.


 

 

 

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26 Mar 2018 14:43:27
Does my Max Meyer rumour have any legs? Apologies 🙏.

Waro

1.) 26 Mar 2018 15:42:00
I hope not. The guy is average and is not needed. He is a converted AM who now plays the DLP now and this is his first season at it. Hence, he cannot be better than Ndidi, Jorginho or Hendo.


2.) 26 Mar 2018 16:47:58
Yes the rumour dors have legs Waro. As Ed002 has explained mate. He is very much a target. A bit harsh Brover to say he is average imo. Looks decent to me. Will be a hard one to get deal done however by the sounds of it.


3.) 26 Mar 2018 16:15:46
Ed002 has said there is interest in Meyer. Given he will be available for free I think it would be a shrewd bit of business.


4.) 26 Mar 2018 18:13:45
I agree with Brover. I think max Meyer is massively overrated and would be behind ox, gini, hendo, lallana (if he stays) and Keita. Be only someone to take up massive wages to sit on the bench. Would stay well clear.


5.) 26 Mar 2018 22:29:21
Kloppsreds, I've seen Max Meyer play since the 2016 Olympics (also w/ Schalke and with the U21's last summer where Germany beat Spain) and frankly, not sold. Ironically, the player that stood out to me in that competition (and since then) was a certain Julian Brandt. Funny that he is the one Klopp wanted and as first choice out wide before he was convinced to get Salah as 4th choice. And this is when he was playing the no. 10 position at with the German U21's and with Schalke along with Leroy Sane, another Klopp target. So if Klopp wanted Meyer's team mates concretely, and not him then that should tell you something.


 

 

25 Mar 2018 16:27:41
In reply to my post yesterday, only just read the replies. Taffy tel, I've not heard any of the eds podcasts or anything but if ed002 has said it he knows a lot more than me, but a quick question, why would I listen to the eds transfer stuff which you all listen to then try pass it on as something I've heard? If that's what you think no worries I won't bother in future👍.

Tia, no worries mate, I've been called a lot worse.

Waro

1.) 25 Mar 2018 16:42:06
Ward, don't pay attention to the criticism. Most appreciate the updates.


2.) 25 Mar 2018 16:46:53
Sorry, Waro, not Ward.


3.) 25 Mar 2018 20:02:06
Yeah, I'm sorry for being rude. I can see you are looking at it critically waro. No hard feelings.


4.) 25 Mar 2018 23:41:18
Don't worry about it SS. 👌.


 

 

22 Mar 2018 09:49:44
Hendos brother, ask yourself why I'm against these owners? Don't like Americans? Don't like baseball owners? Don't like owners with glasses? Which is it? Oh and by the way I don't hate these owners I despise them and trust me that's the local feeling, because scousers are naturally suspicious of anyone and everything until we see people's intentions are honest and genuine and venture capitalists are not a welcome species on Merseyside.

They want to do well for the fans? Salah won't be going anywhere etc? What on earth have you witnessed from FSG to make these assumptions? 2 Champions League appearances and a Carling cup during their tenure, I take back all of the above, they're FANTASTIC owners. You're a sheep believing anything you're spoon fed and are just the type of customer these owners want; subservient and with deep pockets. But sadly for you and your lot we are not going anywhere, we stay and fight to the end to drive these owners out and take back our club.

If you look at some of my posts over the years on this subject it's clear what they're doing, bought for buttons in an "epic swindle" minimise overheads following a similar business model to Arsenal's gaining regular champions league football (win an odd cup would be a bonus to keep the clapping peasants happy) buy young up and coming players for low to medium fees and on low wages compared to the clubs around us, develop then sell on to cover the costs of every transfer window meaning costs for players are kept to a bare minimum (see our net spend season on season since they took over) all the while pushing out local support as they don't spend enough on match days to then replace with day trippers who turn up four hours before kick off, take the tour and spend the remaining hours in the club shop.

Then their end game, wait until football is on the curve of upward trajectory and sell for a profit in excess of 1.5 billion dollars all overseen by brown nosing minions while they sit in there gentleman's clubs in America laughing at the idiots they've out manoeuvred over there in jolly old England.

I and thousands like me are only interested in the future of our club and can see these owners for what they are and for what they are doing. Don't say I don't know what I'm saying because I do and have stated it many times on here.

Waro

1.) 22 Mar 2018 10:11:11
We got Salah for 37, Keita for 48, VVD for 75, Mane for 30 odd

Not to mention the money wasted on players during Kenny's time (Carrol, downing etc) and money wasted in Rodgers time (Benteke etc)

They never wanted to sell Couthino or Suarez either

All that makes me think they are committed to bring success and not just happy with CL football every year (we have not had CL football under them in consecutive years yet)

They have also increased capacity of anfield and from what it looks like will do it further as well (which benefits both them and the fans)


2.) 22 Mar 2018 10:19:23
Waro have they not invested more on players than any previous owners. have they not improved the commercial side of our club. have they not backed the manager whom they have brought in. did they not save us from ending up like leeds. have they not increased our staduim with plans afoot for further redevelopment. they had zero choice in selling suarez amd couthino as they wanted out. i don't see what your problem is.


3.) 22 Mar 2018 10:25:16
Waro, fair play on your opinion. I think Everyone on this website knows that you know what you're saying, but that doesn't make it correct. There will always be thousands of people in any walk of life who oppose things, but there are also a similar if not larger figure who understand modern business and if yu have a problem with these owners then you basically have a problem with capitalism and you need to change society as a whole.
They clearly want to win the title, whether you can see that or not it doesn't really matter. I've learnt from reading your posts in the past that no matter what they do, there is always a justification as to why they are bad. You moan they don't buy expensive players, so they do, and then you're against them because they are selling more expensive players. I live in Liverpool myself and I know a large majority of fans that understand what an owners role is and that they are doing a good job so you can't come on here acting like real scousers as a whole knows their bad as it simply isn't true. I'm completely against the way the world is built to make rich corporations richer and poor people to work work work but blaming FSG will not get anyone anywhere. They wanted a new stadium, us fans wanted to keep our beloved anfield, you should be happy they have done that. We wanted a proper good manager to take us to the next level so they bring in Klopp, and it now looks like we are on the cusp of success again, you should be happy about that. FSG aren't sucking the soul out of our club, big corporations and greed are sucking the life out of football. I bet when we win a title with FSG there will be an excuse from you as to why they did it to benefit them only. Of course one day they are going to sell the club, they don't live forever so it's a natural process to buy and sell things, only a stupid businessman who buy and sell at a loss. And before you think I'm a mindless sheep following FSG or an FSG lover, I am absolutely not. I see the world for what it is, but FSG are absolutely not to blame for this and we shouldn't keep getting held back by narrow minded opinions of what football used to be. FSG are not the best, and they are not the worst. I'm sorry that your mind will never be changed, I used to think they were bad due to my cynicism but I've grown and learnt they aren't half as bad as some want to believe. I've resisted making this statement to you for a number of years but I feel enough is enough with this nonsense.
Cheers.


4.) 22 Mar 2018 10:28:43
Also, your argument that they are waiting until football is on an upward trajectory until they sell. football has been on a constant upward trajectory since money started pouring in the last century so that argument literally has no basis of reality.


5.) 22 Mar 2018 10:39:14
Why do you even bother replying to this tripe? Read one of Ed02s many rebuttals on this subject for an honest and unbiased appraisal.


6.) 22 Mar 2018 10:46:12
Oh dear. I thought we were done with this garbage. Give Waro his own page so those who want to flog a dead horse can do so, and the rest of us don't need to endure it.


7.) 22 Mar 2018 10:50:16
I've been supporting LFC since they were battling it out with Leeds in the second division and I certainly don;t feel that Waro speaks for me or a lot of the fans I know. It's easy to isolate yourself with a group who confirm each others biased view of our club, past present and future but don't assume you represent views other than your own.


8.) 22 Mar 2018 10:59:17
It’s definitely not the local feeling at all, unless by local Waro means his house.
Scousers are also not naturally suspicious what a load of rubbish.


9.) 22 Mar 2018 11:00:54
In reality the new TV deal seems to be less than the previous and there are some packages that remain unsold. It’s not out of the question that the PL upward trend has peaked and will plateau. We don’t appear to be in the European super league talks so surely the owners should get out now, Klopp, hopefully CL football, tv revenue stopped increasing.


10.) 22 Mar 2018 11:01:28
VVD apart they are pretty tame figures in today's market. £40 million is the equivalent of a £15 million average transfer from four years or so ago, so there not outlandish figures, you mention Carroll, look who was available at the same time for roughly the same transfer fee AGUERO, why was he not even looked at? Because they new his wage demands and didn't want to know, Carroll 80k a week Aguero 180k a week, you do the maths on that one.

Fees are not comparable to wages, I'd say our squad average weekly wage is under 100k where at least 3 teams above and around us its at least double that. So no they've not forked out the money to make us cup winners and title challengers as our record shows since they bought the club.


11.) 22 Mar 2018 11:06:55
Fruitba, look at the NET spend of the CLUB, look at the wages comparable to the clubs we're looking to usurp and that answers your question. Im sick of this they saved us nonsense, no they didn't. There where various other potential buyers of the club, yes revenue streams have improved but at what cost morally?

Everyone local and around the world could go to the match if they brought the capacity up to where it should be but they won't because of the costings on infrastructure and also because they don't want people to pick and choose games, they want people frozen out from going because on a Tuesday night at home to West brom it will be a sell out because fans are desperate to get to any game they can but if there are chances to buy tickets easily for every game then they haven't got the guaranteed upfront revenue because people will say "oh i can't be bothered tonight it's live on sky, I'll go the next home game", where as now people will scramble around for any ticket they can because in so hard to grab tickets as things stand.


12.) 22 Mar 2018 11:31:08
So waro you'd be happier if Salah and mane had cost much more as it means we're spending more? I'm sure you'd then be annoyed that the club has over spent in that case.
Mendy cost city an absolute fortune and he's been out all season, Robertson cost us a small amount and has been a revelation. I call that good business.
Pessimistic people will always find the negatives.
Does it really matter what we spend so long as the manager is happy with the squad to challenge?


13.) 22 Mar 2018 11:36:20
What a miserable post, fair play you can moan better than my misus.
Be happy enjoy the best football I've seen in along time.
Foootball is big business, people come people go our club gets stronger each time.
I am happy we have these owner, they make mistakes but so does everyone.
Cheer up or follow golf.


14.) 22 Mar 2018 11:39:20
Net spend over the last 5 years:
City - £563m
United - £437m
Chelsea - £222m
Arsenal - £188m
Liverpool - £52m
Spurs - £2m

Record transfer:
United - €105m
Liverpool - €78.8m
City - €76m
Chelsea - €66m
Arsenal - €63.8m
Spurs - €40m

Average salary today:
United - $6.81m
City - $6.81m
Chelsea - $5.79m
Arsenal- $5.25m
Liverpool - $4.74m
Spurs - $4.1m

Sorry it's all in different currencies. Came from various sources and I can't be bothered converting.

No idea how true these figures are but they are what is available to the public so you can't really blame Waro for being sceptical. I do think a lot of the lack of spending is due to the lack of success. CL money and tournament prize money can be huge. If you don't compete on the pitch, you can't compete off it. That goes both ways to some extent though.

What I will say, is that I am a big believer that spending money wisely is better than spending it to show off. For example; would you want Firmino or Pogba? Robertson or Mendy? Milner or Xhaka? Matip or Lindelof?

It is pretty clear that whilst we can compete financially, we aren't really financial powerhouses. I'm not sure that is a problem though so long as we keep progressing steadily. We need to start winning trophies though. If not the CL this season, then we need something next year. People will not accept the lack of spending (relative to the Manchester sides) if it starts to visibly hamper us. For now though, we have managed to catch up with clubs who were miles ahead whilst spending 10% of what they have according to the publically available figures and paying our players $2m a year less on average. So either Klopp is a genius, or constantly turning over your squad isn't actually as effective as the media thinks.

Some people go overboard with criticism of our owners and some go overboard with the defence. The truth is probably somewhere in between. It could be a lot worse!


15.) 22 Mar 2018 11:32:27
Mickey85, you live over the water on the darkside and said you couldn't wait to get away from here, so what would you know about scousers. Tia you start your post in a fair balanced way then resort to insults and down putting of opinions, they kept the ground because the supporters didn't want to move? Complete garbage, if it was economically viable and profitable to the owners i.e. subsidised do you really think they'd of stayed, not a snowballs chance in hell, you live in the city you say, are you a scouser?

Redplanet, the people you know don't feel that way, great good luck to them, the people I know and interact with can't wait to see the back of them. You all keep wheeling out this were great were on the cusp of GREATNESS, were a few bad results away from you all wanting klopp out and ripping into certain players. how long have they owned us? What have we won? What is our net spend on players? What is our wage bill?

How many top players have left because of average wages and a lack of ambition? I rest my case, I'm off now, playing football with the lads from work who at the last count were 18 against the owners 4 Pro the owners, you lot do an average poll and work out the percentage of that, that may give you an idea of ill feeling against FSG.


16.) 22 Mar 2018 11:59:48
If the club is successful, the owners make profits. WIN-WIN.
Ive seen endless complaints by Waro over the years but never any solutions which makes him/ her a whinger. Is that insulting? So is calling the posters here a bunch of sheep.


17.) 22 Mar 2018 12:21:28
What have the Romans ever done for us?


18.) 22 Mar 2018 12:31:36
looks to me waro is part of "spirit of shankley", who want to take over the club. will never be happy with any new potential owners.
LFC will not be where it is if it was not for the global support which makes it in the top 10 most supported clubs in the world.
So there is no need to knock the day trippers as they help the local economy in Mersey side. As ED02 put it if you have an issue with the owners and daytrippers then stand outside matchday with a banner let yourselves be heard,


19.) 22 Mar 2018 12:59:24
Waro I'm a scouser and the majority of Liverpool fans I know from Liverpool don't have any issues with how the owners are running our club. To say they're only interested in signing young players for low fees isn't true considering we've just splashed out £75 million on a 26 year old. I would also argue that Coutinho wasn't on very average wages before he left, I'm sure he was on around 200,000 a week?


20.) 22 Mar 2018 12:55:23
I'm half with waro I believe the owners are here for gain and only gain. The talk of investment is just them fattening the cow. I’m under no illusion that if a mega offer comes in for VVD they would be open to sell. There is just as much chance as us selling players than there is buying them that’s all I need to know. I’m not certain salah an the likes will still be here come next year and that’s the real truth.


21.) 22 Mar 2018 13:14:00
Why shouldn’t the owners be here for gain? What purpose is there in owning a business if you don’t want to profit from it? I just don’t get it. Do you think they should sell their kidneys out of the good of their heart?

I stopped reading at “Scousers are suspicious of everyone until they see someone’s true intentions”. I’m not even a Scouser and that is total garbage.


22.) 22 Mar 2018 13:22:53
Waro, I’m a season ticket holder and have followed Liverpool everywhere for over 30 years.

My only gripe is with the new main stand ticket allocation. Our of the additional 9,000 seats, only 2,000 were issued for new season tickets. The majority is cooperate and you can see this at half time when the whole middle section empties.

But that’s the way football is these days, cooperate and big sponsorship deals and tv money. For me it all went wrong when Murdoch got his greedy hands on the sport with BskyB in 92

I hope you are/ were also venting your frustration on the likes of David Moore’s and Rick Parry when they were at the helm. In the early 90’s, whilst Martin Edwards was giving Fergie big funds in order to knock LFC off their perch, we stood still. They expanded Old Trafford to 75,000, floated ok the stock exchenge - twice and moved forward with big sponsorship deals. We stood still.

Let’s not forget Moore’s sold the club to those two clowns that nearly sent the club into oblivion!

You need to take your blame further back Waro as this is not New with LFC

I actually think we have decent owners, not the best but decent.


23.) 22 Mar 2018 13:37:01
Why are we even arguing this guys? Werner could pull Waro out of a burning car and Henry revive him with CPR and Waro would be blaming them for scraped from the broken window and a bruises from the compression.

He, and a small but loud selection of others, hates them. Anything, and i mean anything, that happens will feed into that. Every scenario only makes him look bad (e. g. they sold coutinho they sell all our biggest assests, but if they kept him they are undermining the manager just to keep a valuable brand) . If there is anything irrefutably unable to fit with that concept, it'll just be outright rejected. Anyone who doesn't share his view just doesn't understand things on his level. You can't change a mind like that because it was never justified in the first instance. Stop wasting your time and do what you should do with all toxic material - don't touch it.


24.) 22 Mar 2018 14:11:07
Sorry waro, I don't often swear but you sound like a wan**r mate.

Fans like you and me demand success but we are competing with teams like City and Chelsea that are backed by people richer than most countries. We have to be cute and we have been. Like mk says, who would you rather we signed in the summer for lb? Most people wanted mendy and complained about a lack of ambition when we signed Robertson but actually he looks the much better player.

We are not the only big club that has sold a handful of our best players. The club is clearly progressing so I don't understand your problem. We signed the world's most expensive defender this year. We have signed a few 30/ 40 million pound players in the last 2/ 3 years. That doesn't sound so much now after Neymar 200 mil transfer (that changed the game) but at the time 30/ 40 mil were huge transfer fees. We have sold one big player in 5 years, coutinio and sterling of course for 50 mil which I'm glad we sold as now we have mane. Who would you rather have? Raheem or sadio? Sadio and 20mil as it happens.

I don't understand the negativity. We have one of the world's best coaches (who didn't come cheap) we are establishing ourselves as European Cup contenders and all this without spending anywhere near as much as other teams. We nearly won the league a few years ago too, without the spending of the teams around us.

Fsg would not be forking out 75 mil for Vvd or 60 mil for keita if they didn't want us to win. We didn't sell coutinio coz Fsg demanded it, we sold him coz couts demanded it.

Get your head out of your arse and you might smell the red roses instead of this s**t you imagine. Life is good for Liverpool atm.


25.) 22 Mar 2018 14:35:13
I take it you lot had your monthly meeting in a darkened room last night Waro?

Cigarettes hanging out the corner of your mouths, squinty expressions, a bottle of smuggled whisky doing the rounds while a grammarphone plays quietly in the corner of the room. Pierre is over by the blackouts, keeping an eye out for the wicked oppressors while Wee Jock unveils the stolen blueprints for Anfield. My, that is a nasty gash on his forehead that he got from the little old lady at town hall. What a hero.

Suddenly, there is a knock at the door. Terror begins to spread around the room and they all cast their eyes in the direction of the only exit. Mrs O'Mally arches over to the door. 'There are only two teams in this city', she whispers to the darkness. The room waits with baited breath. Finally, a voice answers back, 'Liverpool. and Liverpool reserves'. There is a collective sigh of relief. 'It's only Waro', says Crazy Dave. The door is opened and there he stands. 'Any news, brother? ', asks Wee Jock. 'The world is primed', is his retort. 'VIVE LA REVOLUCION'!

{Ed033's Note - Sounds like a Bilderberg group meeting!


26.) 22 Mar 2018 15:11:05
Well said SuperSalah, our owners have so many good and great things in LFC, we are def on the up, and things are looking so good right now,
how a Liverpool fan can be so negative, is beyond me,
we should be 100 per cent behind the club, and I can see us winning something very soon, Klopp is slowly building a great team, and a young team that should should stay at the top for a very long time .


27.) 22 Mar 2018 16:33:11
Well it seems most fan on here are against you waro apart from mk but that doesn't surprise me one bit, I am not from Liverpool but I do attend a lot of home games and have never heard anyone spew the crap you do. Mk what has those figures got to do with anything? We are showing that we are living with in our means and also improving as a team year after year are we not? .
why the hell should we go pay 500 million for messi when we got salah for 40 it doesn't make sense?
Klopp likes to unearth his own jems as he did with Dortmund and a lot of us don't have problems with that, just because we not paying 200million transfer fees means nothing considering pogba and other players with huge fees have been flops.
So that leaves wages, I am a groundworker with my own squad, and they are great, lads good at there job and a don't pay them what other firms do but yet still seem to have a happy and top squad that makes me money! In other words why pay pogba 250k a week when we got salah on maybe 120 a week it's a no brainier to me maybe waro you need to try and run a business and you will find out exactly how things work lad.
Cheers and a big shout out to most posters who replyed to this post YNWA LFC.


28.) 22 Mar 2018 18:08:47
To the scouse posters who are happy, good luck to you all, I'm not trying to convert you to my opinion I'm just putting over what I think and what mates work colleagues and family members think also. The suspicious scousers shout is true where I was brought up on Scotland Road, we take no rubbish we don't suffer fools gladly and we treat anyone we don't know with greetings warmth but also suspicion until we see proof they're not snakes.

MK yet again has pulled a balanced post out of the bag and articulated it well, could I ease up a bit on the owners? Maybe Will I? No, not until I see something in them that actually equates to putting something back, are you aware they are now trying to put in place where your season ticket dies with you and can't be passed on to your son or daughter, a lot fairer I hear you say, which for people on the list is great but long term phases out the local fan as I'd say 80% of the waiting list are wools, why is this?

Simple really, they don't want our support because season ticket money a pie and a programme is all they can milk out of us where as when you come twice or three times a season you'll take souvenirs spend a fortune, its your disposable income they want not the turn up five minutes before kick off scouser, no we need a subtle way of phasing them out.

Someone said why if we feel this way are we not outside the ground making our feelings known, that's being looked into as we speak so . Make the ground much bigger and we can all show up, not a chance because as I've explained in a post above that's not cost effective for them. You see Liverpool as a business I see it as a football club, maybe that's why you've got one opinion and don't mind being exploited and I have another.


29.) 22 Mar 2018 18:09:24
Supersalah, calm down make your point or move on to the post down the page if you don't like what you read.


30.) 22 Mar 2018 18:10:08
Oh trust me, the setting for this motley crew is far less grandiose, 033.


31.) 22 Mar 2018 18:55:43
Hendos brother, those figures are entirely relevant to a discussion about FSG's financial commitment. We are actually behind Crystal Palace and West Brom in terms of transfer fee net spend over the last 5 years. Though keep in mind that our wage bill, agent fees and overheads eclipse their's significantly. We have also spent far more gross, but have made huge profits on Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho (signed for approx. £30m total and sold for approx. £250m total) .

In terms of record transfer fees we can't complain because Virgil and Keita are both in the top 10 most expensive signings made by a Premier League club. We don't pay top wages yet though. Not compared to other European powerhouses. Not even compared to Arsenal.

All I've done is give a balanced view mate.

Our owners saved the club, improved the stadium, broke our transfer record more than once and have rectified early mistakes by getting in a top manager finally.

I think Waro has a negative outlook on the owners in that he chooses to focus on the negatives, but he isn't a liar. He just really cares. FSG don't invest as much financially as others, they don't engage with the fans or the local community, and they are definitely in it for profit.

The only thing I disagree with, that Waro has said, is that FSG are the reason we sell certain players. I don't believe they micro manage the club to that level. Any player sold, I am confident it is the people who run the club and the team who make the call. Klopp wanted Coutinho out. Everyone wanted Suarez out. Rodgers wanted Sterling out. Torres was seemingly allowed to leave because we weren't competing remotely at that time. I can't prove that though. It may well be propaganda to appease the fans? Sometimes there is a fire behind the smoke.

I am willing to forgive FSG's past and continued mistakes if Liverpool continues to progress and they continue to improve us commercially so that we can compete with the rest in a sustainable way going forward.

Some people are lynching Waro as if there is no substance to his hate. I have done it myself in the past regrettably, instead of taking the opportunity to consider an alternative view that may bring balance to my own views. I don't agree with it all, and I don't approve of the SOS or their actions. But I will defend their right to peaceful protest, until I die. They are only doing what they think is right from the club. Maybe SOS are misguided, or maybe we really are sheep? We'll find out in due course. Every year we don't win anything, i become more sceptical of FSG's commitment to success on the pitch.


32.) 22 Mar 2018 19:43:40
Wellredknuckledragger, where are you from? How long have you supported Liverpool? Do you go to many games?

{Ed033's Note - 3 irrelevant questions.


33.) 22 Mar 2018 19:57:31
Can you name a business who's owners aren't in it for profit?

Sorry its just the same ol', same ol' nonsense. What has being scouse got to do with how you judge people and their intentions? It's being xenophobic that influences all that tosh. You know, you could just get together with your cronies and form Stanley Park FC, maybe? Then you can have an all scouse team, managed by scousers and owned by scousers. You know Shankley was Scottish right?


34.) 22 Mar 2018 19:59:38
Hendos brother, most fans on here are against me? I'm gutted, truly gutted, I'm looking for everyone's acceptance on this site, if I do a complete 360 do you think they'll like me? OK I'll give it a whirl. FSG are totally spiffing chaps have the club and fans best interest at heart and are the best thing that's ever happened to our club, please like me everyone please.

Now that's sarcasm.

{Ed033's Note - When does a Scouser ever use the word, "spiffing"?


35.) 22 Mar 2018 20:44:37
What ed033? What's your point? Why are you getting involved? He's a grown man, I'm sure he can answer for himself, he doesn't need to hide behind your skirt. In answer to your second question, a high brow one with an I.Q. Of 118.

{Ed033's Note - What? I'm not taking things as serious as you.


36.) 22 Mar 2018 23:13:53
Fight fight fight fight 😂😂. wow, happy day on here today. Jeez Ed033, why are you getting involved, anyone would think you wasn’t entitled to an opinion 😂.


37.) 23 Mar 2018 00:49:54
Mk you say they are relavent? your missing the point do u want our owners to waste money? We are improving as a club and team without haven't to pay fortunes, so to keep you happy salah asks for 120 grand a week oh no sorry salah we can only pay you 250 grand a week to keep certain fans happy as our wage bill is low . mk they are irelavrnt why pay huge wages when we don't need to as they are happy with what they are getting are they not? .
Funny how u and waro are going on, you want the owners to walk into dressing room and tell all the players they are not getting paid enough so everybody's wages are getting doubled to keep yous happy is that what yous want?
It is business and damn good bussiness if we are improving all the time and not needing a huge wage bill or net spend been as low the club would be bankrupt with either of you wanting to pay massive wages when clearly the players are happy, there for there is no need surely?
Al say it agen why spend money when you don't bloody need to.
Waro your on about season tickets that they die with you the owners will not be in charge of the club then so how can that happen and if it does future owners will change it will they not?
It's no wonder players want to leave if they read this rubbish of fans like you and lastly why would ed333 be speaking for me he is probably in the same opinion as everybody else and sick of your deluded garbage comments you keep posting about our owners
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38.) 23 Mar 2018 09:22:15
It does not for one second matter where I live, how long I have supported Liverpool, how I came to support Liverpool, how many games I go to, how many hairs are on my dog's back, what flavour ice cream I like or how much I paid for my last car wash. what matters is that I love my club unconditionally.

My internationally renowned and supported club, who is a sports team, not a park bench saved for posterity by a bunch of tears eyed persons desperate to hark after the good old days which, like it or not, will never be back. This is the modern world.

You need to get out of your little England, no worse, your little Liverpool attitude and grow up. I have just as right to support my team as you and just because it was founded in the city you were born in and, by the sounds of things, have never stepped outside, does not mean there is any more substance to your 'support' than mine.


39.) 23 Mar 2018 09:56:11
Wellredknuckledragger I'm sure wherever you live there is a local team craving your support and money. Let me ask, what first attracted you to the 5 times European champions? 🏆 🏆 🏆🏆🏆


40.) 23 Mar 2018 20:45:55
My cousin had a picture of Ian Rush on the wall and I copied everything my cousin did. He was a glory supporter. I did not know what glory was at 5 years old. He now couldn't care less about football. I loved it from the first match I watched. It could have been Oxford United (my local team), it could have been Mamelodi Sundowns or anyone. It wasn't, it happened to be Liverpool. Sorry if my birth certificate doesn't advocate my support for the club that you love no more than I.


 

 

04 Feb 2018 01:40:07
Just a quick question for the regular crew, how many of you genuinely believe the owners didn't want to sell couthinho but had every intention of buying a replacement in January? I'd appreciate it if you could answer not from the point of defending these owners but purely as your opinion only. 100% opinions either way would be appreciated.

Waro

1.) 04 Feb 2018 02:28:18
I think they wanted the money and had no intention of buying a new replacement especially after we beat City.
In my opinion they only bought VVD because Phil was leaving and then pocketed the rest.

{Ed001's Note - your opinion is nonsense. The two events are unrelated.}


2.) 04 Feb 2018 02:52:20
I think klopp decided to sell klopp after coming to the conclusion that coutinho would be more trouble than helpful if we maade him stay. Then there were players to buy but the prices being asked were not worth dipping into the market again.


3.) 04 Feb 2018 03:06:51
Why did he have to be replaced? How do you replace ~150 million in talent? There are other That need strengthening more anyways. It was January. let’s move on.


4.) 04 Feb 2018 04:17:31
Im sure they were happy to make a few millions profit on an unhappy Coutinho and would have thrown a juicy chunk of it right back at Klopp if there was a suitable player available.
Coutinho was desperate to leave, LFC got way more than he was worth imo. The timing wasnt the best but aside from that a good deal all round.


5.) 04 Feb 2018 04:27:58
I suspect the club brought in Ox partly because they knew Coutinho was likely to leave and so depending the squad made sense. While I believe they would have liked to bring in someone else in Jan, they certainly didn't feel any need to panic buy if their primary targets weren't available, and I fully expect someone to come in over the summer.

I also think you're taking this far too literally, there are lots of other players in the team, it's not always necessary (or possible) to replace like for like. especially someone with Coutinho's quality. They certainly aren't viewing this as pocketing the difference.


6.) 04 Feb 2018 05:05:22
I think if klopp felt that the player he wanted this window Was available then the club would have backed him. Just as Barcelona had to wait another 6 months for couts we may have to do the same . I’d rather do that than have the club held to ransom with massive inflated fees.


7.) 04 Feb 2018 05:30:33
I believe a lot of what we see is PR so supporters believe the club fought hard to keep one of their best players. I think the club reluctantly sold Coutinho because he was determined to go to Barcelona, but the agreement to sell him was made long before the public knew. Same as with Van Dijk.

I also think we would've got Keita and maybe Lemar in if it was possible and at the right price.


8.) 04 Feb 2018 05:43:05
Someone mentioned Ox, that is a great shouy actually. His signig was questioned as being surplus to requirements, but when you think about it he has basically taken coutinhos cm / wing role.


9.) 04 Feb 2018 07:48:16
Attacking options we have minus Coutinho:

Milner, Ox, Firmino, Mane, Salah, Ings, Solanke, Lallana and Gini.

That is already 9 players without Coutinho which Klopp can make use of from our first team squad for our attack at this point.

Keita will arrive this coming summer who most probably is Coutinho's replacement.

So does that mean that Klopp had to go spend a ridiculous amount on another player to cover for Coutinho until the end of the season? Can is leaving end of the season so expect Klopp to sign another CM in the summer.

We already have a massive squad and LFC cannot afford anymore panic buys. Klopp was looking to add another CM in January which the Ed's were making known. Klopp also made it very clear that if it does not make financial sense to buy in January then he will wait for the summer. Seems perfectly logic to me and the last thing we want surely is another manager like Brendan who could not give a crap about how much of LFC's money was being wasted on filling the squad up to the brim with players he hardly ever used.

And once again, just because Coutinho was sold for one massive amount does not mean LFC are sitting with that massive amount in their account as Coutinho will be repaid in installments like majority of transfer deals are done and Coutinho is going to be repaid over many years.

The VVD deal is also costing the club and arm and leg. You can bet Southampton requested one hell of an upfriont payment for VVD. I doubt Coutinho's upfront payment from Barcelona was nowhere near what Southamton held us ransom to for VVD.

I really do hope that the VVD deal as well as the Keita deal will be the final lesson for LFC to start acting with compentence in the transfer market.


10.) 04 Feb 2018 08:01:53
Hi Waro,

I believe they intended to replace him if the option was there and I genuinely believe that. I think if they were just interested in pocketing the money they could have sold him last summer instead and I also believe if they sold him without the intention of replacing, klopp would be absolutely livid. They were happy to buy Van Dijk in the summer had klopp not messed that up with his tapping up and had already committed to pay a huge fee for keita in the summer too.


11.) 04 Feb 2018 08:51:47
I don't believe they intended on really replacing him this January as the prices for the calibre of players we want is still really high, it's even more difficult to negotiate and gets deals over the line in January, and I think the club has some ideas about who they will move for in the summer. I think Coutinho was sold as the situation was becoming too toxic as to be tenable - I don't think there is much more to it than that.


12.) 04 Feb 2018 09:05:15
Some people talk as though Barcelona gave us cash in a suitcase, and FSG split it into two. A section to cover the costs of Virgil, and the rest got put on a plane to Boston 😂

Finances are too complicated in football and besides, Virgil signed before Coutinho. Our owners are highly successful businessmen. Do you really think they'd she'll out a world record fee for Virgil before the Coutinho deal had gone through, if they were in this for profit? If Coutinho had suffered a huge injury or had a change of heart, and their intentions were to make a profit, they'd have been screwed.

Forget about reinvesting money and replacements. FSG invest a bloody fortune, regardless of who we sell, and that should be that. Only Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona and PSG have a more expensive record signing than Liverpool. Just let that sink in.


13.) 04 Feb 2018 09:27:04
I don’t think it really is an issue for “the owners”.
I don’t think FSG make strategic decisions about transfers without discussing it with Klopp. I genuinely believe if Klopp has said “don’t sell for any price” they would have backed him.
In reality, as Ed001 has mentioned, players control transfers these days usually via their agents. If a player decides he wants to go there is little the club can do to stop them. They can drop the player and fine him 2 weeks wages. Big deal! In the past players needed their wage to survive, these days if you play for a season you’re made for life (at Coutinho’s level) . I think Klopp would have known there is an optimum time to sell and keeping him beyond this window was counter-productive.

As for a replacement, again I think FSG leave it largely up to Klopp to strategise. By January we were realistically out of the title race, we went out of the domestic cups so only had top 4 and the CL to play for. Most players at Coutinho’s level would be cup tied for the CL. So that leaves top 4. So Klopp has asked the question - “do we need to pay January prices for a replacement to get top 4”? I think the answer is balanced firmly towards the negative.


14.) 04 Feb 2018 09:21:26
Cheers for the replies, can't say I agree with most of them especially zimbo and max, but it's about opinions at the end of the day. Fingers and toes crossed for a win today.


15.) 04 Feb 2018 09:48:09
I believe the club took the offer as keeping couts could of been counterproductive and disruptive to the squad. They (Klopp and the owners) wanted a replacement but weren't going to be held to ransom for one.


16.) 04 Feb 2018 10:08:24
Salah was signed and then the ox. Both play in similar position couts did. With kieta coming too I think its already covered. Id be concentrating on a deeper position likw a alonso type of player. Hard ti find but eved hopeful.


17.) 04 Feb 2018 10:11:02
Woro you must really hate fsg!
But anyways, imo fsg are trying to do the best they can for the club. The edds have stated the situation with the player for over a year and it was only a matter of time before he left.
Although it's still fresh im over couts leaving. Im ok with not buying a replacement aswell. When couts played with the other 3 attacker's it was all a little bit go for broke type of football imo. We obviously couldn't feasibly bring in lamar or whoever else so we should all just be patient and see what the summer brings.
We will be ok. No conspiracies here.


18.) 04 Feb 2018 10:08:46
Disagree MK, I think that's why he went in the January window because the owners spent the van dijk money straight away and put in place the keita deal because a deal with Barcelona was in principle agreed, klopp said we couldn't sell couthinho in the summer because there wasn't enough time to find a replacement (which contradicts a poster above saying the ox was his replacement) yet he's sold in the January with even less chance to find a replacement, this makes no sense if the owners didn't want to sell, this to me all points to a sell to buy policy with Barcelona giving a now or never ultimatum to the club.

I no longer put us in the massive club bracket, were in the spurs and dare I say Everton bracket now, with the real top clubs cherry picking our best players. Salah is already gone for me, and I think you can see it in his body language and who can blame him because he like couthinho can see were we are as a football club, happy with a top 4 challenge ala arsenal every season, read torres' book, that's why he wanted out and I believe him.


19.) 04 Feb 2018 10:21:29
Without getting into the whys and wherefores of the entire business, I’m just wondering on the point that people say he would have been a distraction to keep him. With the World Cup at the end of the year would that not have kept his performance level up, at least enough to warrant a place in our 1st team even if people felt he wasn’t at his very best? Or do we dwell too much on it being a world cup year so he’d have to play.


20.) 04 Feb 2018 10:27:14
That book any good waro?


21.) 04 Feb 2018 10:32:52
Haven’t our top players always been potentially cherry picked Waro?
Keegan, Souness, Rush, McManaman, Owen, Torres, Suarez.

I even remember Barnes being strongly touted for Juve and Gerrard was tempted by Chelsea.

There have always been richer clubs than LFC who have been able to tempt our top players. It’s not an FSG phenomenon by any means.


22.) 04 Feb 2018 10:48:57
I was reading something where Liverpool have made the most money in Europe from selling players over the past few years. It's great business. But we're not going to challenge for the Prem that way. I think under these owners we are a selling club.
We buy talented players that will turn world class, then when they reach potential, we cash in.


23.) 04 Feb 2018 10:51:28
We seemed to be chasing Griezmann and Lamar in the jan window so looks like there was money to be spent.


24.) 04 Feb 2018 11:08:57
I don't agree that we are a selling club. We are an unsuccessful club, no trophies and very little Champions League. Change that and we have more revenue and players will possibly hang around longer.


25.) 04 Feb 2018 11:49:49
Actually agree with Rover, our complete lack of success has to be a big reason for both players leaving and other players not wanting to join.
1985Mikey, but we’re we actually looking to sign those players or was that just a PR episode to placate fans for a month.


26.) 04 Feb 2018 12:19:44
If Greizman was a PR stunt then it would have been dealt with in the public eye but the press never once reported of us actually bidding for him or really being in talks.


27.) 04 Feb 2018 13:18:35
Hamburg a top club Ron? Sampdoria a top club? Keegan and Souness went for the money, Rush was part of the peace process and trying to build bridges with juventus as the player at the time didn't really want to go and had to be talked into the move, macmanaman went because he wasn't happy about being pushed toward Barcelona Ron and I know that for a fact because I know a few of his family as he grew up on county road, he was a furious and basically said up yours I'll let my contract run down and go were I want. Owen went for money Barnes and Gerrard may have been tempted but didn't leave, and torres has stated his reasons in his autobiography as I've stated, so totally disagree with you Ron, this for me is solely about the current owners business model. Which our trophy hall and champions league apperances since they bought the club back up what I'm saying imo.


28.) 04 Feb 2018 14:22:02
Fact is Waro, they were all our top players and they all went, they were all cherry picked.


 

 

09 Jan 2018 00:21:12
So according to barcas vice president, they can't reveal the figures but Liverpool gave us a significant discount, now why would Liverpool do that? Maybe they just liked the player so much they wanted to knock money off for him to get his move. Well that was very nice of them wasn't it. Come on then FSG sympathisers explain that one! 🤔.

Waro

1.) 09 Jan 2018 00:55:57
Are you being serious?

Are you honestly taking the Barcelona Presidents empty words as truth?

Of course he is going to tell his fans, and in extenstion other members of the club, that he managed to negotiate a deal at a lower cost then what is being reported. It makes him look better. This is about his own image, the world knows that he was forced to pay £142 million pounds because Liverpool played hardball, but he wants to deny that. Pretend that he was the man in control of the situation, dictating terms etc, when, in actuality, Liverpool named a price and Barcelona accepted without reservation.

End of the day all parties got what they wanted, or at least deemed acceptable. Barcelona got Coutinho, a player with fantastic quality, and Liverpool got a big transfer fee in exchange. Now, it is up to us to spend it correctly and to strengthen areas where we have been lacking. I. e. Goalkeeper being a huge must.


2.) 09 Jan 2018 01:18:28
Behave. They're saying that to hype couts up. When in fact if anything they've over paid imo.

{Ed0333's Note - you seriously think they’ve overpaid mate? He’s one of the few players on the planet that has real magic in his boots and none of that Lukaku magic I mean proper magic. If anything I think they’ve got a good deal we could and should have got more.


3.) 09 Jan 2018 01:34:19
It is simple. In the summer the price quoted was 200 million Euros but the Liverpool board said they would deal at a piffling, measley, insignificant 160 million Euros this time around. LFC were never going to get 200 million Euros and they knew it, but they did get 160 million this time around. In Barca's eyes that was the discount. Or in general speak, being reasonable.


4.) 09 Jan 2018 01:48:23
Yeah because the Barcelona Vice President has nothing that gain by bending the truth a little, he has club members he has to justify his spending too, it’s much easier to justify spending £145 million if you claim you got the player for less than you could have done. I can’t believe you are gullible enough to believe that story.


5.) 09 Jan 2018 02:07:23
Maybe we knocked of 20mil, who knows and who cares. that's just another 20mil for the likes of u to conplain about.


6.) 09 Jan 2018 02:13:00
Seriously? . 2nd most highest transfer of all time and they got a discount? You believe that crap? It's called saving face since for the critics.


7.) 09 Jan 2018 03:02:22
Ed. Someone's just paid 143m for a footballer. Of course they've over paid.

{Ed001's Note - fair point. Unless it was me of course.}


8.) 09 Jan 2018 04:36:11
Ed001 you’re only second to the king himself.

That is, king balotelli. 😋.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair the Lord above, obviously I refer to Bendtner there, is close on my heels.}


9.) 09 Jan 2018 04:54:45
Wasn't the fee for Suarez considerably less than reported at the time he was sold?


10.) 09 Jan 2018 03:56:05
You're priceless mate.

{Ed001's Note - can't argue with that.}


11.) 09 Jan 2018 08:04:46
Completely overpaid in my opinion the football world has gone mad caused by 3 clubs.


12.) 09 Jan 2018 08:13:00
We've definitely let him go on the cheap. Should've been closer to £200m.


13.) 09 Jan 2018 08:32:53
Don't worry LiverpoolFC8, FSG will get that for Salah, problem solved.


14.) 09 Jan 2018 08:35:33
Would have been interesting if he has an outstanding World Cup, I think that value would have rocketed. On a side note, 2 years ago he’d have gone for what, £50mil? Back then you question the economic value to the club as finishing top 4 etc etc was financially comparable etc, but like when saints sell VVD you think good money but not if you go down. These fees now like Coutinho, they’re worth (financially) way more than their performance on the pitch I am presuming. I know that’s not what the game is about but it’s an interesting turn of events.


15.) 09 Jan 2018 09:29:25
Man Utd set this in motion when they paid £90m for an only good player, in Pogba. That has to go down as the worst deal in history when you look at how shocking they are creatively and at dominating possession in midfield. Real Madrid have always been Real Madrid (and to be fair, James Rodriguez aside, their big money buys have usually been world class players at the time of signing), but they now have United, Barcelona, PSG, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Juventus all throwing around £70m+ figures like it's nothing. It's absolutely bonkers. We should just be happy that our owners have recognised the major shift in the market and are prepared to back us big time so we can continue to compete. We have the world record defender at our club now!

{Ed002's Note - You all need to stop quoting figures that are in just about every case wrong for the transfer fees and the overall cost of the transfers.}


16.) 09 Jan 2018 12:50:02
This some sort of conspiracy Waro? It’s all because FSG secretly want the club to fall apart (oh wait they saved us from going under)

I’m not sure what you’re looking for Waro but this FSG blind bashing is pathetic. Get a grip. Of course Barce are going to say they got a good deal. They’re not going to say “liverpool just ripped us off but we paid that much from the bottom of our hearts. ”

Then again I’m not surprised coming from you. Maybe we should’ve held coutinho ransom? 300 billion or he will never play football again!

And one last thing. “Comon fsg sympathizers explain that”. What is your explanation? You think they’re just horrid negotiators, even though they’re not responsible for the negotiations?

You really should see a therapist. You only pop on here to have a go at something. Calm down.


17.) 09 Jan 2018 12:51:15
Are you for real Waro? It seems you've never heard of politics. Maybe, and bear with me a second here, just maybe it's Barcelona who could be full of the bull. Appeasing fans, securing votes mean anything to you? I may have missed some sort of joke here but support your club, you seem like a waste of a ticket to me.


18.) 09 Jan 2018 12:52:57
Waro give it a rest mate i think your a decent bloke but this has to stop mate, come on they will say anything when they paid well over the odds for coutinho in first place.
We will end up a better team now he is gone I understand your upset about the whole thing but personally he is just another player.
I wrote something the other day he didn't do for us that gerrard did or
Lamps did for Chelsea or
Kanye did for Leicester and Chelsea or
Scholes for united or
Viera for the gunners let it go when we challenge for the title next yr it will be Phillip who mate.


19.) 09 Jan 2018 12:53:30
Barca's vice president said the same about Suarez when they bought him. It seems it's his way of trying to get the fans to like him.
Perhaps it's not true.

Waro, you are usually saying that FSG are only in it to make money, so probably best you explain why they would they sell a prize asset on the cheap?


20.) 09 Jan 2018 12:54:38
They can't reveal the figures because it was a lie waro. Madrid hid away the true figure for bale, Barcelona did the same with neymar. It will likely place them under investigation of financial fair play spending this much in such a short space of time. I tell you what isn't a lie, the £75 million we have payed for van dijk, the £50 million we have payed for keita, the £90 million we are likely to offer for lemar at some point. Barcelona are just trying to keep their fans and suits happy, and you're lapping up a message that was not intended for you.


21.) 09 Jan 2018 12:55:11
Waro I heard the same thing, apparently the price was 180mn if money was paid in euros and 142mn if paid in coupons redeemable at Southampton FC.


22.) 09 Jan 2018 12:56:06
No, we've got better end of deal. Coutinho go missing against big teams and when pressured. Missing vs Seville 3-3 So much he had be sub out to stem the tide. He is good player but not at class of Suarez. Price we had gotten kinda add in the losses we made in Suarez sale.


23.) 09 Jan 2018 12:58:10
Please re-read his comments without your anti-FSG specs on Waro.

The reason he said they got a 'discount' was because Coutinho paid a chunk of the transfer fee himself - c£12m or thereabouts?

Now what other bit of made up garbage can you find to beat the owners with?

When you stick to football, I like and agree with your posts.

When it comes to the owners you come across as the most bitter, small person I have ever known!


24.) 09 Jan 2018 12:59:54
He's there saying it, if he's lying why have Liverpool not come out and said so, ballagaume (spelling) said Barcelona are willing to go upto 180 million euros for him, I suppose he's lying as well. All these people telling lies yet we say nothing, were taking the moral high ground I assume.


25.) 10 Jan 2018 00:00:53
Waro, using Balague as backup to your argument is like using a tissue as a teacup. He sounds confident but knows not a lot. You're just believing what you want to believe.

Think logically for one minute, if you can. If Barcelona were willing to pay 180 million euros, for example, what earthly reason would Liverpool have to voluntarily tell them not to worry about paying that much? It's not change form a pizza is it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can remember Liverpool didn't even set a price in the summer. How can they offer a discount on a price that didn't exist?

Do you sit there listening to CB radios wearing hats made of foil?

Seriously, if you shift your focus to more sensible things you might actually be able to enjoy your football again.


 

 

 

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19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.

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17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.

Waro

 

 

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17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.

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01 Aug 2016 16:21:36
Cheers ed023 and MK. Just can't be bothered having to defend myself when I'm simply passing on what I've heard.

No you don't have to expect criticism at all wayne, there's nothing in my post controversial or criticising anyone or anything so you can just hit disagree and move on, it's people who can't wait to shout down what your saying but when your proved correct never come back and say "fair play, that bit of info was correct"! They'll just wait for the next time you post anything to hit you with the same replys, I could have just ignored it but it just comes across as jealousy for some strange reason ( that they don't like the fact that you no people at the club) I was a steward on the paddock annie Rd and the tunnel for several years in the nineties so this may help you understand were I get some info from, obviously unless I'm lying about that also.

Don't worry annie I won't be putting the teams up, I pretty much (with the odd exception) packed that in midway through last season and I'll be sticking to that this season.

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01 Aug 2016 14:23:16
Wavy, I was reluctant as I've explained but having seen the amount of posts asking the eds about left backs I thought I'd tell people what I heard even though it was last week because I thought it would have been reported by now that we're going with milner at left back, but it hasn't been reported via the media as sid has said, I don't go on social media so if it's been on there then fair enough you will consider it old news but I'm not on twitter or Facebook so I wouldn't have seen it, but by the amount of posts on hear asking about amavi and hector etc suggested to me it hasn't, but I stand corrected if it has, I was just trying to put people in the picture because they keep asking the question.

Anything I get told from now on I'll keep away from this site because I can't be arsed responding to people who don't believe anything that doesn't come from the eds. So feel free to respond anyway you like, some of the older posters will tell you that some of the info I've posted the past has been relatively accurate.

I posted last season that sturridge was injured in training before spurs away, it wasn't on any media site and I received similar responses and worse as these replys today and I swore I wouldn't bother again, I should have stuck to what I said then and I definitely will from now on.

Waro

{Ed023's Note - Waro, you will always have keyboard warriors who will spout negativity towards anyone supplying info. It is hard but just ignore them, your knowledge is very valuable to this page so keep posting}


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2018 15:30:36
Don't care who played what and when. Karius isn't good enough and there will be a media circus surrounding him next season with everyone waiting for his next mistake, it's unfair on the lad, and he'll totally damage his carrer if he stays with us, how can someone develop under that much scrutiny and pressure. Thank him for trying but for us and himself he needs to rebuild his carrer elsewhere. Oh and hendos brother, were not supporters were customers.

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31 May 2018 12:58:53
McGoveb, our critical deficiencies are in midfield 😱. The keeper and defence have been our deficiencies for ten years. If like you say we can't sort the defence and midfield out at the same time because we're "not man city" then forget the midfield and buy a world class keeper and centre half and go with what we currently have, but I don't buy into "the owners can't afford it" they can but enablers such as yourself give them the excuse not to.

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31 May 2018 10:15:52
Lovren, made many game changing mistakes. moreno, made many game changing mistakes. mignolet, made many game changing mistakes. Karius, made many game changing mistakes.

Yet three (injuries apart as moreno would of been our regular left back) out of those four have been mainstays in our team, you cannot have that many accidents waiting to happen in a side and expect to win major titles.

Take some of your points about Lovren above, having a defensive midfielder in front of him to protect him, comments have also been made over the weeks and months about van dijk helping him out, so you want to keep a player as a regular who needs help from his cb partner to help him concentrate and also a defensive midfielder to give him added protection?

They all have to go, end of! Not old enough to know what Bill Shankly would of done but I have a shrewd idea, but my era was Sir Bob Paisley and I know exactly what he'd of done with all four of them (moved them on. )

Sick of this PC let's not criticise anyone because they may become a bit upset attitude, thank them for there efforts and move them on.

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13 May 2018 22:26:26
Go by car but don't use a rental, because there's a problem with invalidating your insurance once you enter the Ukraine.

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10 Apr 2018 17:18:13
Haven't they Mikey? Didn't they get crowds of 35 thousand plus in the equivalent of the old third division? You know your stuff you so I wouldn't even attempt to argue with you 😕.

Waro