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23 Aug 2016 18:05:56
"12 - Liverpool have allowed the opposition fewer shots (12) than any other PL team in 2016-17, yet have conceded a joint-high 5 goals. "

While many people aren't fans of the midfield trio of Hendo, Lallana and Wijnaldum clearly they have been preventing the opposition's attacks (mainly due to Hendo) .

The 2 main problems are the defence which, for me, will improve when Matip is back, and hopefully Sakho remains, and Mignolet who has only saved 2 shots from 7 on target, the last being Walcott's pen, so has conceded from the last 5 shots on target. This will improve when Karius is back from injury.

While I don't completely agree with the team Klopp is playing at the moment, I still think he can make it work. If we can stop the individual errors I think we can do very well this season.

Apologies for any optimism or confidence in Klopp and the team, I know many on here don't like it.


1.) 23 Aug 2016 18:17:37
Hoping the changed team tonight puts a real shift in and causes Klopp a headache.
If he chooses a midfield of Can Stuart and Grujic, and they put in a real performance, the likes of Hendo and Wdum will be very worried after that showing over the weekend.

2.) 23 Aug 2016 18:21:11
A few assumptions you've made that don't necessarily follow on - 1. all the shots on target were saveable by any keeper; 2. the traditional defensive unit were the ones who always screwed up to allow the ball in; 3. the midfield actually stopped there being more than 12 shots. For example if the FBs block a dozen crosses that isn't a shot and isn't the midfield doing anything of value. Likewise if centre backs are cutting out through balls or even if forwards are chasing down moves to make a miss pass happen. 4. The teams "allowing" more shots could have been forcing the opposition into wild hopeful shots from further out, meaning they're performing better than us in some senses and potentially their midfield are doing the good job.

I appreciate you're being positive and not a bad thing at all, the squad/ manager is what Liverpool have right now so it is better to hope they come good. But as the saying implies, you can make anything you want out of stats but rarely do you get the real picture. Hence the reason ckubs have bought some utter dross based on stats.

3.) 23 Aug 2016 19:07:59
DBol Henderson played well at the weekend, he was the only one who sensed danger, broke up most of Burnley's attacks and kept hold of the ball. The only thing he didn't do was create and that doesn't mean he played bad, there was no movement in front of him.

1. Having watched the games, I think at least 2 were saveable, maybe 3, but that leads me to concerns with the keepers positioning when he's being beaten so easily by shots on target.

2. Again having watched the games, the only goal that could be remotely blamed on the midfield was the first v Arsenal when Lallana lost the ball, but if Moreno had been in position, the goal wouldn't have happened.
The others involve 3 mistakes from Clyne and Klavan not taking out Defour on the halfway line. So it is the defence allowing the goals, plus Mignolet not saving shots.

3. Yet again having watched the games, and Hendo breaking up countless attacks, the midfield are stopping the other teams getting shots away.

4.) 23 Aug 2016 21:16:22
You, agree 100% about Mignolet positioning so don't have an issue with that although that still leaves as many he couldn't save and 2 he did so pretty even there. Defence I know were to blame on most of the goals but then we have specific issues we know about there, i. e. FBs are pretty ordinary to say the least.

More the point I was making is that less shots doesn't mean midfield are playing well as a unit, just as more shots against you doesn't mean they're playing badly. Burnley didn't exactly come to attack and create lots of chances, it was a very successful smash and shut up shop exercise. Also Henderson has been singled out by many as breaking up attacks but that is one player. I know you're trying to be positive and I don't have an issue with that but I feel there are issues with defensive and midfield units still being a long way from functioning as units.

5.) 24 Aug 2016 19:53:12
You are spot on, You. Three of the goals were saveable for Mingo had he even attempted to dive for them or anticipated where the shot would be going to which he didn`t because he`s that awful. We have conceded the least shots on target (6) yet have the worst record at conceding goals. That is damning in itself. Also remember that LFC led the PL in ceding at the first shot on target and we are leading that category again after tow games. Who was in goal all last season and this season? Mingo. The midfield and defense are doing their jobs, stats wise but we need a goalie who will at least keep us in a game until we at least score a goal instead of conceding oat the first shot he sees.



27 Jun 2016 16:02:25
Hi eds
Just wondering if there's been any interest shown from other teams in James Milner
Many thanks.


{Ed091's Note - not to my knowledge.



09 Jun 2016 16:06:55
Hi ed, I posted this last night as a reply and was just hoping it could get posted again as a stand alone post so more people could see it. Strange how the 2 people who posted their disagreements couldn't give reasons or examples as to how I was wrong.

"He shouldn't be injured that much though" Yea, because you can choose when to get injuries. So one injury hit season and "this can't carry on" You're absolutely clueless! Never had issues with injuries before, might never have them again. Gerrard had a lot more injury problems than Henderson has had, since everyone seems so keen to compare them. The fact you think he has "the odd decent game" shows you don't understand the role he plays in the side. He's not there to hit shots from 40 yards into the top corner every game, but that's what you must expect. His first touch is excellent, good vision, technique and passing range, reads the game well, breaks up opponents attacks before they even start, superb crossing, if Sterling could finish Hendo would've had over 20 assists in Sterling's last year. His finishing does need work however, and can tend to overrun it at times.

He's also a very good leader! In Gerrard's last year we were leading 2-1 against West Brom in injury time and Gerrard had the opportunity to bring it into the corner and run down the clock further. Instead he chose to play the ball to Balotelli on the edge of the box who, yet again, failed to hit the target. Henderson roared at Gerrard, called him out for not taking the ball into the corner, something no-one had done for a couple of years, something our side lacks when he's out. He's never been bullied in midfield. He won't be bullied in midfield! Our record when he captains us speaks for itself.

He is our captain, and he will remain so, unless he decides he wants to move on, because there's no chance the club will want to lose him! It's quite shocking that people think he's not good enough when, at the moment, he's too good for us!


1.) 09 Jun 2016 16:22:07
Lol, we're u happy with your post and comments. Bless ya cottons.

2.) 09 Jun 2016 16:42:12
You I agree with everything you say about Hendo apart from his defensive work, I think he's defensively suspect but as a box to box midfielder he should be playing alongside a DM anyway and his crossing which can be suspect to say the least. Hendo is by far our most competent CM but his three main weaknesses for me are 1. Crossing (a weakness through the whole team) . 2. Defensively Suspect - could be more of a communication breakdown with Can, when they play together both push on too far forward together leaving big uncovered holes behind them, with not playing with a DM these become huge holes. 3. Corners and free kicks - irratic to say the least. This sounds a lot more negative than it is meant. I'm a huge Hendo fan, his enthusiasm, energy and love for the club. His passion and work rate is something else too not mentioning the points you make. Hendo, Mliner and Can as a trio just don't work for me though, they are far too similar. Grujic likes to play deep so Grujic Can and Hendo may work.

3.) 09 Jun 2016 16:53:12
Reposted it to try understand how people are so harsh on him Chris, very funny post though!
Natural poolie, obviously I disagree on the crossing side. On your second point I think the understanding between Can and Hendo had been progressing until his latest injury. I think if given time they can develop a good understanding allowing them to play in a 2 together. If another was need at the moment I would chose Lucas to join them.
I think his delivery from free kicks is good, wouldn't want him over it if it was a shooting chance though. Corners as a whole need work, attacking and defending.

4.) 09 Jun 2016 16:54:48
He's not "too good for us". There is no player in the world that is "too good for us".
Hendo did struggle when he came back from injury, I think that's where the criticism has come from.
When he's on form he's a very good midfielder. I don't know why so many people don't rate him, what do they want him to do?
I've no problem with him defensively, he hassles and harries with the best of them. I'm looking forward to him recapturing his pre-injury form.

5.) 09 Jun 2016 17:15:46
By "too good for us" you means (you as a username is a confusing choice) it relatively speaking Ron as in perhaps he could be playing/ good enough to be playing in a champions league prem side if he chose for example. I'm not saying he is or isn't that good of course keep that can of worms closed.

6.) 09 Jun 2016 17:43:57
Lol oh my god! don't get me started.

7.) 09 Jun 2016 17:51:31
He's orite. End of the day he's not even the best midfielder at the club that finished 8th in a massively under performing league and won't start for his national team, because he'll be kept out by Eric Dier who's 4 years younger than him.
Stop going on like he's Steven Gerrard. He's not even close.
He's no better than Emre Can who is way younger and new ish in England.

8.) 09 Jun 2016 18:11:05
5 years at the club. One stellar season under Brendan when he played as a typical B2B midfielder running up and down, covering players, pressing high. He was pretty much inside the opposition box along with Suarez and Sterling ( His goal against Spurs at WHL ) His runs from midfield to high up.

This is where he is brilliant and the best B2B player in the league.
An year later he was shorn to the deeper role which exposed his technical limitations.
Am I missing something?
He could be a carbon copy of Lampard. A goal scoring B2B midfielder. But some want him to be Michel Carrick instead.

My view on the player.

9.) 09 Jun 2016 18:48:18
Dbol, I wouldn't ever judge a player based on whether Roy Hodgson plays them. This is the man who thinks Wilshere, Walker, Rose, Milner, Welbeck and Townsend are good enough to play for England ahead of some actually good players.

This is the guy who puts Harry 'I want to shoot' Kane upfront with Wayne Rooney, and leaves players with technical ability and pace in behind on the bench or puts them in a wide midfield role (Sturridge, Vardy, Rashford etc. )

The guy is a wrinkly old fraud.

And yes I don't rate Kane because I'm sure that will draw questions from the media intoxicated sheep. He is an English Benteke. Terrible first touch, turning circle of a container ship, acceleration of a dead Tortoise, a conversion rate that could rival Stan Collymore's, awful link up play, unjustified arrogance and overconfidence, poor movement, when he does run he doesn't time it right or goes in the wrong direction, a good third of his club goals are penalties, and he's more greedy than Balotelli. He will score you 20+ goals a season, as will Benteke. But the detrimental effect they have on the overall team play isn't worth it. If Spurs can get a good striker to play in front of Delle Alli and Eriksen they will be scary going forward. I can't believe he starts ahead of quality like Sturridge and Rashford though, or that Roy puts Vardy out of position to accommodate him. Against Turkey, Kane could've put Vardy in on about 5 separate occasions, and the one time he did he hesitated for so long that by the time he released it, the gap in behind the defence had shrunk so much the keeper gathered his begrudged pass to his partner with ease. Awful player, awful team mate, but luckily for him he is a media darling because he worked hard on the training pitch and when he finally scores (more through trial and error than actual ability) they can be spectacular.

10.) 09 Jun 2016 19:38:25
@GameofThrons Lampard a Box to Box midefielder?! Haha

One selection box to another more like! All joking aside, him and Hendo are nothing alike, come on.



03 Jun 2016 02:11:39
I thought we were meant to have the best fans in the world? This makes me sick! People on here turning on Coutinho because he's asked to leave, because he has ambition? Part of me wants him to leave now, not because of his ability or attitude or him wanting to leave, but because he deserves a lot better on this. I don't even know why this reaction surprises me anymore. People were criticised Sturridge for his reaction to not playing. Actually criticising a player for wanting to play. Shocking. And don't get me started about what has been said about Hendo!

It really makes me wonder if some of you watch football. For a start Coutinho overrated? This just shows your bitterness, if he was overrated Bayern, Barcelona and PSG wouldn't have been interested in him at any stage.
Inconsistent? He's 23 years old consistency will come.
Doesn't perform in big games?
Scored the winner against City the year we finished 2nd in what was claimed to be the title decider, scored the equaliser in the league cup final, didn't play great yet still made a difference, scored v United and Dortmund in the Europa League knockout stages. To me that's a big game player. And even in the Europa League final where he was anonymous he still helped make a difference by actually getting Sturridge on the ball for the goal.
Some of the comments on here are are absolutely ridiculous. Clueless! If Coutinho leaves it'll be a sad day for the club. It's funny how a lot of the ones that get the abuse on here, Coutinho, Hendo, Sturridge, are the ones that are too good for us. Why should they stay at a club that finished 8th? Why should we, as fans, expect them to want to stay if abuse is hurled at them after any poor performance? Why should we expect players to sign for us if they are criticised before even signing? Some of you need to catch a grip. Support the players. Support the manager. Support the owners. They'll never walk alone!


1.) 03 Jun 2016 05:14:17
Totally true, coutinho is destined to be one of the best players of our gen.
and its not even like this came out of the blue, he said he would want to leave if we can't get to CL. he tried his best to get us there and we would nearly be there too if not for one really bad half in the final.
I think he is within his rights wanting to leave for success and better pay possibly, but i also believe LFC are also in their rights to get the best money for him, or to block a move untill a definite replacement has been signed. He has given us so many cracking moments, so let's cherish those. there is absolutely no point in keeping a player against his wishes. he might perform super human levels this season get us into CL and then leave for likes of the biggest clubs in spain, which is for me even more harmful for us as a team.
this will drag on i guess and i think we as fans should give it a rest. He is not the first player to do this, he won't be the last. As long as they remembers fondly of LFC and things don't turn sour ( a. l. a sterling) they will never walk alone.

2.) 03 Jun 2016 08:56:15
Spot on 'YOU' this is not at all good for the club to arguably be selling out most talented player . If he leaves and in 3 years times starts hitting peak . can you imagine the moans on here about FSG selling him. Half the time his inconsistency is down to teams playing a specific system to counter him- they are that worried about him. Ony other player they did that with was Suarez. He will only Lear to deal with that oppositions focus as he gets older- and consistency will come.



23 May 2016 23:09:20
Seems some people on here want every player sold and a whole new squad of 23 in. They also don't seem to rate any of the players linked despite not seeing them play. Hard to please some people.


1.) 23 May 2016 23:32:00
I want the best players to stay and up there game that extra percent. hopefully it will happen after a good pre season with klopp. But we need at least 4 or 5 new faces and to ship quite a few out. Buy quality and sell the ones who are under performing or aren't cutting it I'm afraid.

2.) 24 May 2016 08:09:49
If the 23 players bought in are all from Barcelona then maybe.

3.) 24 May 2016 10:29:04
8 or 9 new players will be just fine, thanks.
That's including the 2 signed in January.

4.) 24 May 2016 09:42:34
No, no ones wants a whole new 23. People want rid of the deadwood as we have an extremely bloated squad. On top of that there are a few 'first team' players that aren't exactly performing to the best of their ability, some would like to give them more time (Milner, lallana, Moreno as back up, migs as back up etc) some want rid of them and better players brought in. At the end of the day people want to see the first 11 upgraded. Our first 11 last season was about 5th or 6th place quality (city, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and arguably United all had better squads than ours) . The first 11 for next season has to improve in order for us to move up. It's all good having a new manager that can get the best out of them but we finished 8th and lost two finals, so that should explain the whole 'getting the best out of them' argument, if that's the best out of them then no doubt we need vast improvements. The improvements being scouted or have already been brought in don't exactly ooze the quality we would expect to improve the first team (not talking about marquee names) . Even before they kick a ball it's sometimes very easy to decipher who will shine and who will not. Not many of the players coming in really suggest to me that we are improving that much. Karius is an interesting one and I hope to god he's an improvement on migs. From what I've seen which is very little, he flaps at crosses and has very poor distribution, sounds familiar. On the other hand he has some qualities that migs clearly doesn't. Grujic and matip who I've seen plenty of since we signed them, offer nothing that we don't already have especially in the case of Grujic. Matip will be required especially as sahko is banned and players departing in that position, plus he was a free. Grujic, well the jury will be out and I'm pretty sure of the outcome. Goetze is an improvement on lallana, so if lallana where to leave I'd welcome him with open arms. But what would be the point of having 4 attacking midfielders and not having balance, stability or chemistry amongst the team, because as you would expect some players will be unhappy. Attacking midfielder isn't exactly the position we are lacking in right now, we need pace and players that are tricky and can run in behind as ojo and ibe are clearly not ready. Dahoud or zielinski, both seem like players we have already got. Dahoud is basically can, and the last thing we need is two cans in the middle of the park. Zielinski has a bit more quality going forward IMO as he's a forward thinking midfielder and has decent pace but again, offers nothing we are crying out for in midfield. We don't have much of a problem scoring goals, it's conceding that is our overiding issue, so get a bloody defensive minded midfielder. One that is more consistent than Lucas. I could go on and on, but what the fans want is rid of the obvious deadwood to bring in some decent coin, and buy quality over quantity. So far we haven't done these things but it's still early.




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20 Jul 2016 01:19:40
What I said was "I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort" since you started comparing effort when I was just pointing out the idiocy of your statement.
If you're going to argue against me please have the decency to actually read my posts properly.
He actually scored or assisted in 11 games (the same as Coutinho and Firmino), so please stop exaggerating with your "30 games last year he couldn't be bothered"
I also didn't realise if you didn't score or assist you'd made no effort that game.
He did play in more games than Coutinho and Firmino, but he would be a backup to them if we signed him.
Also 7 of his goals and 3 of his assists came in games against who finished in the top half, not a bad record. Although his record against the teams in the bottom half is not so good.
I really don't see the issue of signing a goalscoring, assisting, pacy, direct and strong in the air attacking mid as a backup. He'd replace one of Milner and Lallana (preferably Milner imo) both of whom he outscored and he would be an improvement on them.

P. s 4 of Coutinho's 5 assists came against Aston Villa does that mean they don't count?




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19 Jul 2016 20:44:22
Norwich were always going to get relegated? I didn't realise the premier league was that predictable. He actually scored the first 2 so they wouldn't have won without them. There's every possibility if he didn't take his first chances Norwich would've won the game.
I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort but surely if one players goals against a relegated team don't count then that should apply for all.
You clearly don't like the player, and that's fine it's your opinion, but to say that you should discount his goals in certain games is just plain stupid.
Everyone seems to be pretty obsessed with his goals too without ever bringing up his 5 assists, which isn't that bad when you consider there wasn't many goalscorers to assist. I wouldn't consider Mitrovic or Cisse to be clinical anyway.




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19 Jul 2016 19:59:11
"He was that bad he was nearly relegated to the reserves. " Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you should chat nonsense.
He was dropped from the starting XI for 2 games, against us and City, and that was so they could put out an XI of workers to try ground out results. He actually played all of the 2nd half against us too helping them rescue a point. He started the 36 other premier league games, so you obviously don't know what you're chatting about.

I'm not sure how you've decided that a game against relegation rivals doesn't matter, infact they're probably some of the most important games of the season for teams fighting relegation.
Sure why don't we discount all of Suarez's goals against Norwich because them matches must not have mattered either. Only got 57 goals for us then.
Every game in the premier league is important, to say anything else is just absolutely ridiculous.




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04 Jul 2016 23:28:47
Stewart has put excellent performances in since being given a chance. Bossed a game in the fa cup against a very experienced and capable West Ham midfield. He's far from Championship level and if given a chance I think will excel, he has everything you want from a defensive mid. Having said that though I do hope Lucas stays.




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04 Jul 2016 22:13:06
People seemed to have looked at Benteke's 14 starts in the league and thought he got 9 goals in them. Well he didn't! In all comps in 16 starts he scored 4 goals. Not exactly a great record, especially when you consider the amount of one on ones he missed. A good player in the right system but nowhere near Sturridge's level, shocking statement to even compare their strike rates.





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31 Oct 2017 15:37:41
I've always thought the argument of physical ability was always a bit odd. You just have to look at someone like David Silva, he isn't strong, he doesn't have pace, but year on year is one of the top performers in the premier league, due to his passing and knowledge of the game.

I wouldn't want Iniesta, I don't think his heart would be in it if he came here and he is a bit too old now, but if you think one of the greats of his generation would flop on the Prem because of his physical ability, you're seriously deluded.




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25 Jan 2017 14:58:39
I agree AW. He's playing in a low quality league and when I've seen him playing in the cl/ el he's failed to impress me. Also he may be as strong as an ox but is incredibly slow and turns even slower. The issue with Lucas playing in that position is his lack of pace, so I fail to see how Carvalho would be an improvement in that position. He wouldn't suit our high pressing game either. If he comes in I'll support him, but I think he's not the right player for us.




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07 Jan 2017 01:19:35
I'd like to see an xi of Karius, TAA, Gomez, Lucas, Juanma, Stewart, Ejaria, Grujic (if fit), Ojo, Origi, Wilson




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02 Dec 2016 00:55:09
The youth we have coming through at the moment is one of the reasons I hope we don't sign a winger/ attacking mid in January. It would be a real smack in the face to the likes of Wilson, Brannagan, Ojo, Woodburn etc. I'd much prefer to see some of them lads get a chance in the absence of Mané due to AFCON and others due to injuries. Though with the amount of young players pushing for a chance in the first team, they'll have to impress if/ when they get a chance.




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02 Dec 2016 00:50:28
Yes, it was a good save and he deserves praise for making it, however, he also came out for a corner and missed it entirely. There was also no real sign of his distribution improving. So for me, while he did make a couple of good saves, there was still too much of the old Mignolet there to see. A decent performance from him, yet definitely not convincing enough for him to regain his starting spot, imo.