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11 Feb 2015 15:09:08
Any news of Flanagan getting a new contract? Is it even being discussed?

hjikle

1.) 11 Feb 2015 22:31:14
Hope he gets one, he worked hard last year and showed he had the quality to be in the first team. That goal against Spurs is still a highlight from last season for me.


2.) 12 Feb 2015 10:25:51
One wonder goal and he get's a new contract ? Rather cash in on him and bring another youngster through.


3.) 12 Feb 2015 10:32:07
I think it would be wise to see how he does when he returns from injury.

A full season out is a long time especially at his age.


4.) 12 Feb 2015 13:34:34
Actually It wasn't simply one wonder goal, he played brilliantly when he came in, made Johnson look more of a mug than he actually is, showed that he has what it takes at the top level as he was consistant, solid and worked hard, the goal against spurs was the icing on the cake, as was his reaction.


5.) 12 Feb 2015 17:29:04
Agree Mr D


6.) 13 Feb 2015 07:45:01
He was our only defender last year that actually looked like he had any intention of defending and made opposition players think twice about running at him. He was the best positioned, most disciplined, most energetic and most effective defensive player we had last year. And that was playing on the wrong side.


7.) 13 Feb 2015 20:29:52
If carra was still about he would have learned so much. I remember one of his first games seeing carra talking him through the game, where to be and where to keep the attackers. Shame.


8.) 13 Feb 2015 22:20:00
He played brilliantly last season, but still think it would be wise to see how he recovers after being out for a season.


9.) 14 Feb 2015 12:48:58
I have mentioned this in the past, no the likelyhood is he won't be offered a new contract, he will be given a chance to prove himself in the next couple of months before the decision is made, read my last comment to find out why. Also BR thinks wisdom is a better option as he can fit into the three at the back aswel as a full back


10.) 14 Feb 2015 22:58:50
I think his time is up. Another Martin Kelly Saga.


 

 

 

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25 Jan 2018 12:42:28
Guys, we just signed a young guy from a smallish club who is probably really excited about the move he's making. The last thing he needs is to jump on line to do some research on his fan base and see hundreds of people from his new club taking the piss. It's uncalled for at the best of times.

Welcome to LFC Tony and good luck, hopefully we see what you can do soon!

hjikle

1.) 25 Jan 2018 13:05:54
Yes, good luck to the lad!


2.) 25 Jan 2018 13:13:12
Twitter?
That place is vile!


3.) 25 Jan 2018 13:43:49
Vile would be an improvement I think.


 

 

21 Dec 2017 20:42:03
Ok Waro, football reasons to support our primary CB right now and build him up as much as possible:

1. He's been the victim of a succession of bad decisions by refs that have unfairly coloured his recent performances.

2. Since he came back from his back problem, our defense has been one of the best in the league and he has been pretty much ever-present in that.

3. It's fairly obvious that he's a player who suffers with confidence but is great when he's riding the high, and considering our squad options right now it's pretty sensible to do what we can to keep that high going.

4. Everyone we play against seems to think they don't need to attack us because they only need one opportunity to score past our recent defense. Our own fans adding to that belief reinforces other teams decision to play like that and ignore their attacking instincts within games (even if it doesn't affect managers decisions, who knows what will affect an individual players decisions mid game), which makes it harder for us to pick up three points than we would in more open games with attacking opportunities.

All footballing reasons to support our player. Frankly, we would all love to see an upgrade on Lovren. But right now, he's what we have and purely for the benefit of LFC's position in the league table, we need to be behind him.

hjikle

1.) 21 Dec 2017 21:41:27
Lovren is a good player who suffers from unfortunate lapses too often. He has talent but sadly the wild things he does when does them very often lead to goals for the opposition. There is still time to snuff out these bizarre errors and lovren can be very good. let's hope so.

{Ed025's Note - the think is beef....you cant polish a turd mate..


2.) 21 Dec 2017 21:45:32
Can't blame the refs mate, put your hands on the back of a player your asking for trouble.


3.) 21 Dec 2017 22:06:10
This is the worst defensive unit I’ve seen in a long while.

Lovren has been part of this shambles since the Brendan Rodgers era.


4.) 21 Dec 2017 22:36:11
I think our system would show frailties in the very best defenders, if we could find a top notch dm to play with Nabby and hendo/ ox we would leak way less.


5.) 21 Dec 2017 22:39:01
most defences are going to struggle when you have the opposition midfield flooding past our midfielders and our defensive line are scrambling. that's kind of what we do to the opposition right.!?


6.) 21 Dec 2017 22:43:44
Spot on, Hijkle. Lovren may not be Maldini BUT he can defend and has a lot of ability. It is what is btw his ears that is the problem. He is who we have right now and has been playing well of late along with Klavan with whom he has built a very good partnership as of late and long may it continue. Can we upgrade on him or any of our CB's? Absolutely. But they are who we have now and Klopp has found a way for us to defend as a unit which protects them from being isolated. The constant player bashing needs to end cos it is becoming tedious and pathetically boring.


7.) 21 Dec 2017 22:50:45
Disagree Firmane. FYI, there is NO law on the books that says that a defender cannot put his hand on a striker in the box. NONE whatsoever. I was a CF and got mauled all the time by CB's and even I knew that so I stayed on my feet as much as I could. What you posted is complete media nonsense. This happens all the time as strikers and defenders grab on each other all the time. Watch the Chelsea v WH game where Morata and Reid where at each other's throats (10 times less than what Lovs did v Everton) in the box and Morata went down easily and the ref played on. If thqt was the law, why did he play on? Maybe cos it is NOT. The diff. has always been that the ref has to decide if the contact is worth an infringement and sometimes the refs get conned as Lanzini, Niasse and his mate did. That has always been the law on the books. Nothing more.

{Ed025's Note - so what your saying brover is that it is ok to shove a player over in the box?, you do know this is football and not WWF wrestling dont you?, i played in defence myself and knew if i blatantly shoved a forward in our area that there was a good chance i would give away a pen, i dont know who you are trying to convince with that nonsense mate...me...other supporters or yourself?...but your talking through your arse, your a very good poster but on this one your embarrassingly wrong..


8.) 21 Dec 2017 23:28:27
All you want from a defender is for them to be a no nonsense defender and consistent.
This is why Lovren will never be rated as a good defender.


9.) 21 Dec 2017 23:50:43
It was a soft penalty from a ref that refused a penalty shout in his next game for an identical occurrence,
He can't be correct on both,
IMO no penalty,


10.) 22 Dec 2017 01:54:56
It was a penalty, soft or not it was a penalty. Why’re we still talking about it? Lovren comes across as a great fella but a great defender? No. Even a good one? No. The mistakes aren’t isolated incidents he is error prone. He’s not the only one and I appreciate people defending him when he is getting unwarranted threats etc but it cannot be denied he isn't good enough for what the owners/ fans hope the team can achieve.


11.) 22 Dec 2017 03:54:51
No it wasn't a penalty - contact was absolutely minimal, the striker threw himself to the floor looking for a penalty (he could of stayed on his feet quite easily), Lovren basically had his hands as a buffer between himself and the player - it was a dive, the ref got conned, it was never a penalty.

{Ed0333's Note - are we still talking about the penalty? Move on peeps. I thought it was a penalty though lol


12.) 22 Dec 2017 00:08:32
Ed I think Brover is trying to get over a point when in all games a lot goes off worse than the lovren incident and penalties aren't awarded (by the way lovren is a pillock for doing what he did)


13.) 22 Dec 2017 06:44:22
That’s a given Reusch.
The example I used is shirt pulling. A striker is going through and the defender fingers flick his shirt, he goes down and a penalty is given. It’s an infringement in the box.
At the same time a player practically has his shirt ripped off at a corner kick and no penalty is awarded. These incidents happen every game, it’s the reason you can’t rest on a 1 goal lead with any confidence.


14.) 22 Dec 2017 13:27:48
That is my point exactly, Seano and Reusch. Lfcder, I did not even know the same ref screwed up the same play in the next game. Not surprised. I do disagree w/ Lovs being a pillock as he did not even make a challenge. People say it was a soft penalty. Well in a big game if it is a softie, you don't give it as it is not clear. Isn't that what the @experts@ tell us? Oh but now that it is Lovren and LFC, the rules changed. Consistency is all we ask for from the refs, is it not?

Ron, I agree with you globally BUT apples to oranges again. Shirt tugs is a clear attempt to infringe on the player's ability to score and if you do that then, you are asking for it. Lovren did NONE of that and again, there is NO rule on the books that says a defender cannot put his hand on the back of a striker to especially if the defender is protecting his goal. What Lewin did is what Vardy, Young and Hazard have been doing for years so nothing new on this front. What is doing my head in is people making up rules to suit their narratives when none of such rules exist.


15.) 22 Dec 2017 13:20:35
anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul, but 9 times out of 10 you don't get them but don't put your hands on people and then the ref has no decision to make but that was 3 games ago now so forget about it.


16.) 22 Dec 2017 13:23:22
Hjikle, I can give you countless examples of why Lovren is a quite awful defender but you have heard them multiple times before and should have seen them yourself over the years. If we put him up for sale in January there's not one premier league team would touch him, he'd probably go abroad for button's.

The idiot or idiots who threatened him are clowns who hide behind there keyboard and would never have harmed him, but nobody advocates that kind of behaviour, but to gloss over his obvious failings as a defender with these excuses is ridiculous and as I've said before, the player himself would be appalled that people are using this to defend him.

Can you all stop with the derby penalty, it was stonewall penalty and your all making yourselves look bitter and are using it to defend klopp from his terrible team selection on the day, it was a mistake a mistake I hope he will never make again i. e. Next month.


17.) 22 Dec 2017 13:27:33
Lovren did not shove Lewin at all. I have seen so many times, it's nauseating. He jumped into Lovren's chest, drew the contact and went down like he took a bullet. We may disagree on that BUT that is just a difference in opinions. Nothing more. Ref Peter Walton said he would not have given a penalty had it been him while Clattenburg said he would. Differences of opinions and nothing more.


18.) 22 Dec 2017 16:06:47
Referees do not have an easy job but they chose to do it and are paid well enough. I don’t think the quality of refereeing is gold enough and so many media outlets now have ex referees commenting on every major decision which to be fair to the current crop makes their job a bit more difficult as they have all their choices analysed even deeper.


 

 

14 Dec 2017 10:42:43
Ignoring the rest of the performance, Klopp has an interesting problem now. Karius has been good all season in the Champions league despite rarely having much to do, there wasn't much he could do about most of the goals we conceeded there.

Now he's been given his second PL game with a fair bit to do, and did much better than Mings has been doing on average this season. Klopp said he started because Mings had a niggle, but does he seize the opportunity and let Karius continue or does he revert back to the 'standard' back line?

hjikle

1.) 14 Dec 2017 10:51:47
There is no interesting problem. He meant what he said! Mignolet will be back once he is fully fit!


2.) 14 Dec 2017 11:17:24
Karius should be the number 1 now, Migs has never and will never be good enough for us, Karius last night showed some signs of utter class, if Migs is put in front of him now then I just don't know anymore. To me the whole GK situation is a shambles, rotating them left right and center it's pure stupid, keep to one goalkeeper, the one who looks the best, Karius! I love Klopp and have little bad to say about him but this is a big problem he needs to fix, why stand by Migs? I just don't get it and it really frustrates me.

I fear if Karius doesn't get the chances he deserves he may get fedup and want out? who knows. I've seen many people saying we need another GK to this I can't disagree more, we have not only Karius but Ward, why do we need another Goalkeeper?


3.) 14 Dec 2017 11:24:40
Karius this season has 5 clean sheets in 8 games, conceding just 6 goals. 5 of which came against Sevilla who are one of the top 4 teams in Spain nowadays.

For me it's a no brainer. He has to start over Mignolet who despite improving, still cost us a victory as recently as 2 weeks ago by misjudging Willian's cross. He also cost us a result against Watford, Burnley and Newcastle just off the top of my head. Those 8 points alone would have us on the edge the title race, rather than the edge of top 4. I'd even argue that he was partially at fault for the first goals against both Spurs and Man City, though it's speculative to suggest we'd have got a result in those games anyway. Plus he nearly cost us another 2 points at Leicester, but Vardy bailed him out with a penalty Benteke would be embarrassed by. In fact the only points dropped where Mignolet is blameless for me are the draws against United, Everton and West Brom. Every other point dropped, he had a part to play in it in my opinion. That's alarming when you factor in that United and Everton put him under absolutely no pressure and he didn't play against the Baggies! He's not always the sole culprit, or even the main culprit, but he is usually involved when things go wrong at the back!

Mignolet is a lovely bloke. I follow him on social media and he really is a genuinely nice guy who noticeably tries harder than any other Liverpool player to engage with the fans, but he is costing us 15-20 points a season. It is genuinely that bad as well, when you realise his mistakes have directly cost us at least 8 points in 17 games so far. At that rate he'll cost us about 18 points this season. All players make mistakes, but we can't carry someone who makes nearly 10 a season which lead to a goal.

I don't even think Mignolet is awful now. He is probably average or slightly above it. It is just his frequent rash decisions or lapses in concentration that make him a liability. Same applies to Lovren. If they have error free games, they're actually all right players. Between them though, they're averaging an error leading to a goal every other game! Over a season you accept that even top keepers and defenders might make 1 or 2 glaring mistakes. But 10? It's got to change. Karius should be first choice for that reason alone; He is less error prone.


4.) 14 Dec 2017 13:18:01
Look forward to your analysis of both how many points he saved as well by his shots saved and also the points lost by other players as a direct result of an error or mistake. I'm sure we would owe the league points if you total them up.

Oh sorry? your comment was a random number based on your perception rather than fact? ah well, .


5.) 14 Dec 2017 14:17:30
Marshy how many saves has Mignolet made that were truly great? I can only think of the Penalty save against Hoffenheim and possibly the save against Brighton 15 seconds before we scored (though in my opinion Murray fluffed his lines and made it easy, ou could argue Mignolet's positioning and reactions had to be spot on) . He makes routine saves, but he doesn't make saves that he has no right to make regularly. Not like Lloris, De Gea, Ederson and Courtois do.

Even if he hadn't made that save against Brighton, we were playing so well we might have won anyway, but I'll play your little game. So say he saved us 2 points by stopping Murray? That reduces his points cost down to 6 in 15 league appearances. Woohoo! Knight him!

All players make small errors. If they didn't, football could be solved by an algorithm. If you hyper analyse every goal, there will always be an error involved. If you hyper analyse every failed attack, there will always be an error!

We are talking about major errors though that directly and undeniably cost us points. Not being weak in a one of one, or from a cross, or being beaten by a decent shot. Those are more of a lack of ability rather than a massive mistake.

Everybody makes mistakes. Maybe it's a misplaced pass, punching the ball when you should catch it, a missed shot, an over hit cross, or even just not communicating with a team mate. Those are all errors which happen all the time, but they aren't critical errors.

Critical errors are missed penalties, being out of position, conceding a needless set piece, flapping the ball to the feet of an opposition player, missing an open goal, passing it straight to the opposition under no pressure etc.

Of course this is all my perception. Football isn't an exact science. There is no algorithm to solve it. It is that subjective debate that makes it so popular. Rather than attacking my opinion purely for being an opinion (yes, you seriously did that), why don't you try and counter my point of view? Find me some examples where Mignolet has done something brilliant. Not a run of the mill save. Might as well start applauding defensive clearances under no pressure, or 5 yard passes from a midfielder, or a striker for getting in the box. Saving shots is the minimum expectation of a goal keeper. It doesn't make Mignolet great if he stops 2 shots a game hit nearly straight at him.

I'm all ears though. Explain to me why Mignolet is good enough for a team with title winning aspirations. I'm really looking forward to it.


6.) 14 Dec 2017 14:32:26
Very well said MK.


7.) 14 Dec 2017 15:51:33
The same De Gea you said wasn't world class MK? Not sure goalkeeping critiques are your strong suit kid.


8.) 14 Dec 2017 16:55:24
You say he is slightly above average but costs us 15-20 points a season. Not sure that makes any sense. He is crap and costs us about 10-12 points more likely.


9.) 14 Dec 2017 16:56:49
Migs costs us 15-20 points a season? It's difficult to take a post seriously with a statement like that.


10.) 14 Dec 2017 17:31:01
Migs isn't the worst, but he's also light years from great. I don't like knee jerk reactions, but he has had 3 full years. Face it, he isn't going to get any better and he simply isn't good enough. You don't have to be a great GK critic to see that.


11.) 14 Dec 2017 17:34:45
If we had swapped keepers with MU at the start of the season I am sure we would have 6/ 9 more points at this time, and while I don't usually watch them apart from against us the whole match against Arsenal and the save from Matip were 6 points MU wouldn't have got had Mings been in goal for them (I'm sure De Gea has contributed some more) .
That's a minimum swing of 12 points, possibly as high as 18/ 20 by swapping world class for average and vice versa.


12.) 14 Dec 2017 18:07:59
Dunno why my post didn't get through, but basically, I've never said De Gea isn't world class. I just think Oblak and Buffon are better. Less than a month ago i voted for De Gea as the player I'd take if we could have one player from any Prem team. Buffon came 4th in the Ballon D'or last year. Anybody who thinks he's past it, hasn't watched Juventus enough. There is more to goal keeping than highlight reel saves. Though i accept some people prefer De Gea. That's fair enough.

Average means you are in the middle of your field/ range. Let's be honest, there are worse keepers than Mignolet. Forster, Foster, Hart, Ryan, Lossl, Fabianski, Darlow etc to name a few. There are also better keeper like De Gea, Lloris, Courtois, Ederson, Cech, Pope etc. Mignolet is an average keeper because I'd say a third of the keepers are better, but a third are worse. That puts Mignolet in the middle 3rd alongside the likes of Pickford, Begovic, Gomes etc. The keepers for bottom dwelling clubs tend to make errors every week so they probably cost more like 30 points a season. At least Mignolet has the occasional week without error. He has improved massively, but it says it all that he's come on so much and is still just a run of the mill keeper. We needs keeper to take us to the next level.

Goalkeeper is the hardest position in football because your mistakes usually cost points. That is the reality of it to be honest. The best keepers just make less mistakes than others.

{Ed025's Note - for me MK de,gea is better than both oblak and buffon, but as you say it all about opinions..


13.) 14 Dec 2017 18:08:08
So if we get 76 points this season, you are saying if we swapped keepers we would get 96 points?

There are too many people on here in total dreamland. You are forgetting that there are many other players in the squad not upto standard.

Hendo 5 points
Lovren 10 points
gk 20 points
mane missed chances 15 points
carra own goals 6 points

in your logic we should get 180 points a season.


14.) 14 Dec 2017 19:20:37
I understand your point Mark, but that is why goal keeper is the most important position on the pitch. Because it is the one position where a good or bad player can literally be the difference between winning the league or finishing 5th. It is an absolutely vital position. Anyone else makes a mistake and you there are 9 other outfield players to potentially bale them out. Goalkeeper is the last line of defence though. You can't afford mistakes there. Being a keeper is all about concentration, organisation, positioning and decision making. If you have to launch into a flying save it might look spectacular but it usually means you were out of position, or the shot was absolutely perfect.

Ferguson knew that a good keeper was worth an extra 15-20 points a season. That's why he was so successful. It was always his priority position.


15.) 14 Dec 2017 18:24:51
Ed025 agree De Gea is best in the world for me. Makes hardly any mistakes and is mentally as strong as steel. He didn't spit his dummy out when he didn't go the Real. He just kept producing great performances even when he knew his team weren't going to win anything. World class.

{Ed025's Note - its hard to argue otherwise mark, i really believe that utd would be mid table without his saves mate..


16.) 14 Dec 2017 20:10:21
I agree with you there Ed025.

De Gea has conceded 11 goals from 76 shots against him.

In contrast, Mignolet has conceded 20 goals in 46 shots.

United concede so many chances. De Gea bails them out so much. He's easily worth 20+ points a season to them.

{Ed025's Note - he is MK and thats the only reason why united are in the top 4, also city,s keeper is making a massive difference as well, a good cat makes all the difference mate and is a massive liverpool downfall..


17.) 14 Dec 2017 20:37:25
Ed025 a top goalie helps us no doubt but we would still be a long long way from winning the league. We have many other players who are not good enough as you well know mate.

The players need to get their act together asap or the OTT posters on here will be saying in a month - oh it's ok we are only 6 points from 4th and 24 points from the top.

{Ed025's Note - some will say that a top keeper instills confidence in his defence mark which would solve a lot of liverpools problems mate..


18.) 14 Dec 2017 20:51:20
It is by far the most important position for me, Ed. Not only can it help everyone to relax defensively, it also takes pressure off the forwards. When you go into games feeling like you need to score 3, it is much harder than knowing if you get 1, you have a keeper and a defence who can hold on to a slender lead.

That stuff can't really be measured, but you can measure that De Gea conceded 1 in 7 shots and Mignolet concedes 1 in 2!

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..


19.) 14 Dec 2017 21:13:54
MK is spot on. Ed25, I agree that a top GK helps a lot as DDG is like you, the only reason Utd are in the top 4 cos w/ o him, heaven knows where they would be. Just check the B'mouth game last night where B'mouth had so many chances BUT DDG was there to save them until Lukaku scored. Had they had Migs, Utd would have lost.

Having said that, all the top GK's are taken right now so we have to build our own and Karius (who I am a huge fan of) has all the tools to be a top GK in a Klopp system as he was highly rated in Germany before he came to us. All he needs is experience at this level cos the top ones were not born top GK's. They had to learn like everyone else. The question is that do some of our fans have the patience to persevere with him and that is my biggest fear judging by the way they shamelessly turned on him for making a mistake or two.

As for his comparison to Migs, it is very simple. Karius has made ONE mistake that led to a goal this season (at Spartak) . Migs made THREE mistakes in one game at LC. Job done!


20.) 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14
In my house if anything goes wrong. We call it a mignolet moment.

Karious for me all day. however, I really would like us to break the bank for a worldy keeper. ready made quality. the difference it would make. Not just shot stopping, but organisation wise too.


21.) 14 Dec 2017 23:20:39
MK one problem with the goals conceded from shots stat, it shows nothing of value without the context. One keeper could save 90/ 100 but actually every single shot was straight at him. So he conceded 10 he shouldn't have. Another could save 70/ 100 but in fact only 50 were standard saves he is expected to make.

That isn't to say that the context wouldn't prove the point but that it is the context and not the numbers that would prove it. Stats alone never really show an individual player's performance.


22.) 15 Dec 2017 09:03:31
It was a while ago MK but don't you remember a debate you and I had about him, and stated that he was world class and (I'm paraphrasing) you said he was a very good keeper but no way was he world class. Your on here quite a lot MK so probably don't remember it, so I'll let you off 😂😂. I agree by the way that mignolet should be replaced by karius, but long term I don't think he's the answer, hope I'm proved wrong though.


23.) 15 Dec 2017 09:07:52
The only issue i have with MK's argument is it is unfair to blame Migs totally. Where does the 'this error cost us a point' line start? Yes, when Mig's got lobbed recently, he was in the wrong. But how far do you go back? Was there a misplaced pass 5 minutes earlier that turned possession over by someone in midfield? Does that not shift blame to them? I agree MK that Migs is average and does cost us points, but it is impossible to put a number on it and also unfair.


24.) 16 Dec 2017 23:41:50
Stuie that is part of the problem of whether people understand what they're watching. Why so many coaches keep trying to say it isn't just defenders who defend. Mignolet isn't a top 4 keeper but some of our other players don't always perform like top 4 players and when they don't we don't.


 

 

22 Nov 2017 08:51:24
Amazing isn't it? Moreno's one of our best players this season, massively turned his performance around, has a bad 15 minutes and suddenly we need to get rid and he's not good enough again. And then we describe our players as 'confidence players' - no wonder, I'd like to see how you lot manage when you play for your career in literally every performance! The way some of our fans go off, Messi would have been binned a couple of seasons back when he didn't score for over a month and on Ronaldo's current form he wouldn't even be sold, he'd just be 'old yellered' in his garden.

hjikle

1.) 22 Nov 2017 10:12:40
Moreno was never a brilliant defender. If that is what you are looking from a left back then I am afraid you are going to be dissapointed mate. He is good when he bombs high up!


2.) 22 Nov 2017 10:45:58
He's not even a defender. He's an ok left midfielder/ winger. Whoever scouted him? Stevie Wonder?


3.) 22 Nov 2017 10:51:28
Moreno has been decent this season. Which is an improvement on his other seasons. Has been one of our best players almost made me choke on my coffee.


4.) 22 Nov 2017 11:11:17
mereno has been good this seaso, his attitude second to none but Thant doesn’t change the fact he caused two goals last night. Am I calling for his head? No, but I think he’s lioeavke and can offer something to the club but yesterday I think his emotions got the better of him.


 

 

09 Oct 2017 14:22:54
When do we start to question if Klopp is the man for the job?

I don't think it's now, I think there are worrying signs but we're still in the green for now. But with so many people who believe he's the messiah, with so much willingness to forgive all faults and equally so much willingness to condem him to damnation for every failure, when is that time? And when it comes, what will we be looking for?

Personally, I think this is THE season to judge him on - 2.5 years to judge the squad and identify holes, 2.5 years to judge and hand-rear the young players he wants, 2 full summer windows and 2 full Jan windows all to prepare for now.

As for what we judge him on, I'd say two areas:

1. Qualify for the CL again. Now we are back in it, we absolutely cannot afford to let it go under any circumstances and doing so would be a massive step backwards.
2. Relative success in at least one tournament - for the FA Cup that would mean a win, for the CL at least quarter finals and a competitive performance.

What do people think? When are we no longer reserving judgement on Klopp and his management, and what are we expecting to see when we do?

hjikle

1.) 09 Oct 2017 14:41:36
He is the right guy for me but not addressing the weaknesses when having this 2 years and enough windows is my only gripe, its taken both Manchester clubs 1 season to figure out there failures and even though they have plenty more money than us we can still buy a decent enough standard of player
Wijnaldum and Ox are 2 buys I don't get when we have plenty of cover in midfield and the keeper situation worry's me, January will be an interesting month.


2.) 09 Oct 2017 14:51:51
I respect your opinion but I must disagree. Personally I think he deserves another season after this one, we didn't have the best transfer window, was that his fault? who really knows, I don't. We needed to sort the defence out and we didn't which is a problem but it's not the end of the world, we're not doing as bad as some think. We have big issues within the squad there's no doubt about that but even if we went and signed VVD like everybody wants on Jan 1st, it doesn't mean our problems are solved.

Let him have Jan/ next summer to sort thing's out, I believe he really will, he has no choice, he isn't stupid . I hope not anyway. I trust the man, I think he will get it right, if he doesn't then fine, get him out but not just yet, he deserves more time.

Plus id like to add, even if we don't get top 4 again this season, yes that be classed as a failure but id still give him another season should that be the case.


3.) 09 Oct 2017 16:24:58
Corleone, I couldn't agree more fella.


4.) 09 Oct 2017 16:21:23
Thanks for that Corleone - like I said, very interested in hearing other people's views. Obviously we started off with a good answer (3 year contract so 3 years judgement) but since he signed the contract extension it's all become a matter of opinion.


5.) 09 Oct 2017 18:08:49
May 2019.


6.) 09 Oct 2017 18:57:30
Two years on the job, is way too early to be questioning the manager, that much is true. If that was the case, then Poch should be out of a job at Spurs as he has won nothing there and has been there longer than Klopp has been here. What Poch is doing is showing progress and improvement and that is what we need to do here. Improvement and consistency like Cl footie every season need to be shown as well as improvement in player personnel need to be seen so in a year or two, we will be well-primed to mount a meaningful title challenge and hopefully, win.

Comparing us to City and Utd is a false argument cos they are able to drop 250m every season on players. We simply cannot do that, plain and simple. Therefore, we need to be smarter and be more targeted in our TW and look to pay whatever is needed for the right player we want that can improve us like we did with, Naby, Salah, Mane, Wiji, Robbo and the like.

In short, do a Spurs with the hope of winning the PL in the near future. For that, we need support the manager throughout cos like it or not worts and all, FSG are all in with him and we can't be abandoning him each time there is a sticky patch.


7.) 09 Oct 2017 19:48:02
Honestly, I think the whole premise of the question is stupid. And now after saying I'll stupidly take part.
My preference is not to judge at all, unless you are truthfully casting a judgement with the purpose of assessing areas to improve in order to move forward. Cast iron judgements based on trophies or fan's perception of progress to decide whether so and so is the person for the job is just not the right way to go imo.
when we got rid of BR it was partly due to poor results but it was also because he was at the helm when it looked like the club had totally lost its way. That is the point of questioning whether someone is the right person for the job. Not in the middle of building a squad having just recently qualified for CL, playing good footy except in a few games not scoring more than 1 goal, sitting a couple points outside top4 after a handful of games.

Look at the areas that need development and support the manager to make those changes.


8.) 09 Oct 2017 20:24:27
Once again Bingo, great post mate and I am in full agreement.


9.) 09 Oct 2017 20:53:08
I think we should be looking for the team to be on the improvement. If we stagnate, maybe we should see where it's going wrong. Personally I think his behaviour tapping up has been an embarrassment- that's my biggest issue. As for performance I think we've improved in many ways going forward but I think our defence has been caught out. Obviously he needs help but it's unlikely he'll accept any which is a shame. I think we're a lot better than many posters on this forum would believe. I'd like to see him sort out the goalkeeper fiasco and I don't think vvd fixes everything.


10.) 09 Oct 2017 22:28:19
Spot on, Faithworks. AOE, I agree with you. Klopp has made mistakes and that much is well documented. We are currently not stagnating and that is the most important thing under Klopp compared to sinking ship he found when he arrived, and a sticky patch in the beginning of this season, does not change that fact. BR was sacked cos we had become poor under him, were seriously stagnating and with no end to the misery in sight. The guy had to go, period.

People seem to forget how bad it was under BR esp. in the beginning of the 15/ 16 season. I remember home games vs Norwich, Villa and Sion when I simply could not tell you if we would get a point in those home games as we were that poor. The life was getting sucked out of me, literally. Who can forget the eyesore that was the EFL game vs Carlisle where we had 40 shots and could not score a goal and needed penalties to get through? Yeah, that was all under BR.

I'm sorry, I do not have a short memory and right now, NONE of that is happening now so the fact that Klopp's position is being questioned after losing 2 out of 13 games this season is laughable to bordering on the ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - i agree bingo, its far far too early to be calling for his head mate..


11.) 10 Oct 2017 09:11:53
Bingo/ Faith - not sure if that is a reference to the original question or not, but if it is I'd like to remind that this was a 'when' question and I specifically stated 'I don't believe it's time yet'


12.) 10 Oct 2017 10:45:43
If we don't make it into the Champions League for me, and then you have a look at things. I am not saying that is decision time but rather look at mood/ morale of player and fans, development of players and team, significant injuries, cup win etc and then work out what is best for the club.


 

 

 

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19 Feb 2018 10:51:25
Maybe players like Fekir and Werner would move to us because they back their ability to earn a place in the starting line up? Because they know if Klopp was going to out and spend 50 odd million (figure plucked out of the air as an example), he'll probably have a plan to use them a lot rather than keep them on the bench? Because they know they have what it takes to become a player vital to how we play every match?

What a player does at any single point in their career is almost always less than what they are capable of doing. If Klopp wants them, there is a reason.

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Seems likely, at his age he's never unlikely develop into a first team player for us now and should still be wanting to play every game. If he does, good luck to him.

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Can refusing to sign a new contract with 4 months left on his current one confirms that he is leaving.

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Because they didn't agree that the random player you've pulled up is what we need?

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As soon as he has no contract with us, he can sign for any club in the world not currently banned from signing players.

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That's funny Harry, cause we did already play that Chelsea team and we dominated them with them being ridiculously lucky with a fluke cross to even take a point.

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21 Feb 2018 12:57:04
A simple look at the Ballon D'or shortlist really tells you all you need to know. Yes an attacker is always more likely to take it but how many non-attacking players have been in the top 3 in the last 7 or 8 years?

People value defenders now based on whether they can run with the ball, pick a 30 yard pass, bomb up all day and cross from deep. A defender who simply let's nothing pass them just isn't valued in the game right now. But things come in swings and roundabouts, one day it'll be back to the day of the dominant defender whilst striking talent is expected to support itself.

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I don't think it's red tinted, we've proven this season we have the ability to beat anyone. Of the 10 or so teams that can realistically hope to win it this year we're in the bottom half and it would be little short of a miracle but there is definitely no 'winner elect' this year and no clear favorite that I can't see us beating in at least 1 of the two legs, which just leaves us asking what the winning and losing margins will be.

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MK Scouser, I agree that the Spanish dominance is over but I can see PSG taking at least one CL before the next team from England do it.

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Leek - because he's not a giant version of a particular body part that will go nameless?

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