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14 Mar 2018 09:30:54
In fairness Ed0333, I don't think it's hubaris - we've proven that we are capable of beating anyone, despite having also proven that we are there for a thumping if we get it wrong against you. But everyone recognises that no match is going to be easy at this point and no matter what, we will have our work cut out for us if we want to progress. That being said, some teams left are the ruling super-powers of Europe and some teams left are very good, well organised squads. Despite both groups being hard games, they are not equal to each other. One thing we need to get out the mindset of though is hoping that we will have the element of surprise. We won our group scoring a record number of goals, and are now in the quarter finals. No-one will be taken by surprise anymore.


{Ed0333's Note - I hear what your saying fella but I’m a naturally cautious guy and have low excepectations and anything else is a pleasant surprise. You make really good points though mate. Let’s hope the fairytale lasts a little bit longer. I would love Klopps first European title to be with us. As I said too Ed’s 001 earlier the ‘doubters to believers’ quote will go down in Anfield folklore if he does.

1.) 15 Mar 2018 04:18:49
I think you’re right to be pragmatic ed - this is the most exciting I’ve seen us play for many years barring 13/ 14 perhaps but we shouldn’t get carried away though as were only 75% through the rebuild as I see it.

That last element of unpredictable results against the top sides is in large part down to midfield for me. I can see why it’s happened this way, but our best midfield for a balance of defence/ control/ pressing and goal threat is for me still Hendo, Gini and Lallana, yet against Man Utd we had Can, Milner and Ox.

Starting from front to back and analyzing the work still to be done

- we have one of the most exciting front threes in a long time but still no impact player off the bench. Can Ings be that player? Jury still out for me.
- our Midfield is OK but for all his recent decent performances Ox is hardly the finished article, I don’t see Milner competing with the best midfielders in Europe (he’s brilliant in some games but can go walkabout and scores very rarely) . Hendo is fantastic but unfortunately injury prone. Gini is still for me the one we should be playing in the big games but hasn’t exactly been blowing the doors off either and Lallana has lost form while Can is still young and inconsistent. We are perhaps in the top 10-15 in terms of midfield but not in the top 5
- Likewise at the back, I think VVD was massive for us and Karius and Lovren looking immeasurably better for him coming in, but we aren’t water tight just yet. We also have a solid LB that’s still adapting, and a very young (even if very talented) RB

Overall in terms of changes next season I think Keita could be revolutionary for us, adding drive, bite and goals from midfield which we sorely lack. I hope we see Robbo, Karius, Lovren, TAA continue their rapid improvement in form and maturity, and hopefully Hendo can stay fit. If we can add an impact player off the bench as well, with goals from midfield or out wide (Lemar? ) then we’ll be 90% of the way there.

{Ed0333's Note - I agree about the sexiness of our play and carving out chances for fun. We were incredibly hard to beat under Rafa, he was my hero but it was turgid football for the most part. Klopps way is so easy on the eye and I totally agree that an upgraded midfield will yield even more success and hopefully the elusive Premiership. The midfield is mediocre at best and Keita will drastically improve it and change the dynamic but to be fair long John silver would improve the dynamic. The attack is exemplarary and the defense can hold its own if they play their best but the midfield lets us down. Like yourself I see the potential in this team.

2.) 15 Mar 2018 07:33:36
I am like u ed think the worst an anything else a bonus sad but necessary after years of let downs an pain, it's obvious this year we seem better against the smaller teams an not as well against top 6, hope this doesn't effect us.

{Ed0333's Note - hopefully next season we’ll get it right. We’ll beat the good teams and the crappy ones.



11 Feb 2015 15:09:08
Any news of Flanagan getting a new contract? Is it even being discussed?


1.) 11 Feb 2015 22:31:14
Hope he gets one, he worked hard last year and showed he had the quality to be in the first team. That goal against Spurs is still a highlight from last season for me.

2.) 12 Feb 2015 10:25:51
One wonder goal and he get's a new contract ? Rather cash in on him and bring another youngster through.

3.) 12 Feb 2015 10:32:07
I think it would be wise to see how he does when he returns from injury.

A full season out is a long time especially at his age.

4.) 12 Feb 2015 13:34:34
Actually It wasn't simply one wonder goal, he played brilliantly when he came in, made Johnson look more of a mug than he actually is, showed that he has what it takes at the top level as he was consistant, solid and worked hard, the goal against spurs was the icing on the cake, as was his reaction.

5.) 12 Feb 2015 17:29:04
Agree Mr D

6.) 13 Feb 2015 07:45:01
He was our only defender last year that actually looked like he had any intention of defending and made opposition players think twice about running at him. He was the best positioned, most disciplined, most energetic and most effective defensive player we had last year. And that was playing on the wrong side.

7.) 13 Feb 2015 20:29:52
If carra was still about he would have learned so much. I remember one of his first games seeing carra talking him through the game, where to be and where to keep the attackers. Shame.

8.) 13 Feb 2015 22:20:00
He played brilliantly last season, but still think it would be wise to see how he recovers after being out for a season.

9.) 14 Feb 2015 12:48:58
I have mentioned this in the past, no the likelyhood is he won't be offered a new contract, he will be given a chance to prove himself in the next couple of months before the decision is made, read my last comment to find out why. Also BR thinks wisdom is a better option as he can fit into the three at the back aswel as a full back

10.) 14 Feb 2015 22:58:50
I think his time is up. Another Martin Kelly Saga.




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18 Apr 2018 09:19:15
Does anyone else find time really dragging at the moment? I mean I know I'm distracting myself from other problems but since Saturday evening I've just been sitting here thinking 'okay, now its 160 hours till the next game. '. Just me?


1.) 18 Apr 2018 09:52:01
Nah not just you mate, same here, this week is taking the piss.

2.) 18 Apr 2018 10:26:20
Phew. 74 hours left btw.

3.) 18 Apr 2018 10:52:23
I'm already anxious for the Champions league final.

4.) 18 Apr 2018 13:39:06
We've had midweek games the past couple of weeks do now that we have a full week between games it feels like an eternity.



16 Apr 2018 13:27:50
Not strictly LFC related (but will soon be) - the Manolas injury that those of us watching their derby yesterday will have noticed has turned out to be cramp. As it stands, he will be fine to play us.

A small and very unsportsmanlike part of me is swearing very loudly.


1.) 16 Apr 2018 13:30:55
Would rather beat teams when they’re at full strengtg 👍.

2.) 16 Apr 2018 13:51:05
I see that point, and would never wish injury on any player. Okay, a few players, but never just because they are our opposition. But it's a champions league semi final and I'll take whatever the universe will give us!

3.) 16 Apr 2018 20:48:12
You play who you play and that's it, Hjikle.



25 Jan 2018 12:42:28
Guys, we just signed a young guy from a smallish club who is probably really excited about the move he's making. The last thing he needs is to jump on line to do some research on his fan base and see hundreds of people from his new club taking the piss. It's uncalled for at the best of times.

Welcome to LFC Tony and good luck, hopefully we see what you can do soon!


1.) 25 Jan 2018 13:05:54
Yes, good luck to the lad!

2.) 25 Jan 2018 13:13:12
That place is vile!

3.) 25 Jan 2018 13:43:49
Vile would be an improvement I think.



21 Dec 2017 20:42:03
Ok Waro, football reasons to support our primary CB right now and build him up as much as possible:

1. He's been the victim of a succession of bad decisions by refs that have unfairly coloured his recent performances.

2. Since he came back from his back problem, our defense has been one of the best in the league and he has been pretty much ever-present in that.

3. It's fairly obvious that he's a player who suffers with confidence but is great when he's riding the high, and considering our squad options right now it's pretty sensible to do what we can to keep that high going.

4. Everyone we play against seems to think they don't need to attack us because they only need one opportunity to score past our recent defense. Our own fans adding to that belief reinforces other teams decision to play like that and ignore their attacking instincts within games (even if it doesn't affect managers decisions, who knows what will affect an individual players decisions mid game), which makes it harder for us to pick up three points than we would in more open games with attacking opportunities.

All footballing reasons to support our player. Frankly, we would all love to see an upgrade on Lovren. But right now, he's what we have and purely for the benefit of LFC's position in the league table, we need to be behind him.


1.) 21 Dec 2017 21:41:27
Lovren is a good player who suffers from unfortunate lapses too often. He has talent but sadly the wild things he does when does them very often lead to goals for the opposition. There is still time to snuff out these bizarre errors and lovren can be very good. let's hope so.

{Ed025's Note - the think is cant polish a turd mate..

2.) 21 Dec 2017 21:45:32
Can't blame the refs mate, put your hands on the back of a player your asking for trouble.

3.) 21 Dec 2017 22:06:10
This is the worst defensive unit I’ve seen in a long while.

Lovren has been part of this shambles since the Brendan Rodgers era.

4.) 21 Dec 2017 22:36:11
I think our system would show frailties in the very best defenders, if we could find a top notch dm to play with Nabby and hendo/ ox we would leak way less.

5.) 21 Dec 2017 22:39:01
most defences are going to struggle when you have the opposition midfield flooding past our midfielders and our defensive line are scrambling. that's kind of what we do to the opposition right.!?

6.) 21 Dec 2017 22:43:44
Spot on, Hijkle. Lovren may not be Maldini BUT he can defend and has a lot of ability. It is what is btw his ears that is the problem. He is who we have right now and has been playing well of late along with Klavan with whom he has built a very good partnership as of late and long may it continue. Can we upgrade on him or any of our CB's? Absolutely. But they are who we have now and Klopp has found a way for us to defend as a unit which protects them from being isolated. The constant player bashing needs to end cos it is becoming tedious and pathetically boring.

7.) 21 Dec 2017 22:50:45
Disagree Firmane. FYI, there is NO law on the books that says that a defender cannot put his hand on a striker in the box. NONE whatsoever. I was a CF and got mauled all the time by CB's and even I knew that so I stayed on my feet as much as I could. What you posted is complete media nonsense. This happens all the time as strikers and defenders grab on each other all the time. Watch the Chelsea v WH game where Morata and Reid where at each other's throats (10 times less than what Lovs did v Everton) in the box and Morata went down easily and the ref played on. If thqt was the law, why did he play on? Maybe cos it is NOT. The diff. has always been that the ref has to decide if the contact is worth an infringement and sometimes the refs get conned as Lanzini, Niasse and his mate did. That has always been the law on the books. Nothing more.

{Ed025's Note - so what your saying brover is that it is ok to shove a player over in the box?, you do know this is football and not WWF wrestling dont you?, i played in defence myself and knew if i blatantly shoved a forward in our area that there was a good chance i would give away a pen, i dont know who you are trying to convince with that nonsense supporters or yourself?...but your talking through your arse, your a very good poster but on this one your embarrassingly wrong..

8.) 21 Dec 2017 23:28:27
All you want from a defender is for them to be a no nonsense defender and consistent.
This is why Lovren will never be rated as a good defender.

9.) 21 Dec 2017 23:50:43
It was a soft penalty from a ref that refused a penalty shout in his next game for an identical occurrence,
He can't be correct on both,
IMO no penalty,

10.) 22 Dec 2017 01:54:56
It was a penalty, soft or not it was a penalty. Why’re we still talking about it? Lovren comes across as a great fella but a great defender? No. Even a good one? No. The mistakes aren’t isolated incidents he is error prone. He’s not the only one and I appreciate people defending him when he is getting unwarranted threats etc but it cannot be denied he isn't good enough for what the owners/ fans hope the team can achieve.

11.) 22 Dec 2017 03:54:51
No it wasn't a penalty - contact was absolutely minimal, the striker threw himself to the floor looking for a penalty (he could of stayed on his feet quite easily), Lovren basically had his hands as a buffer between himself and the player - it was a dive, the ref got conned, it was never a penalty.

{Ed0333's Note - are we still talking about the penalty? Move on peeps. I thought it was a penalty though lol

12.) 22 Dec 2017 00:08:32
Ed I think Brover is trying to get over a point when in all games a lot goes off worse than the lovren incident and penalties aren't awarded (by the way lovren is a pillock for doing what he did)

13.) 22 Dec 2017 06:44:22
That’s a given Reusch.
The example I used is shirt pulling. A striker is going through and the defender fingers flick his shirt, he goes down and a penalty is given. It’s an infringement in the box.
At the same time a player practically has his shirt ripped off at a corner kick and no penalty is awarded. These incidents happen every game, it’s the reason you can’t rest on a 1 goal lead with any confidence.

14.) 22 Dec 2017 13:27:48
That is my point exactly, Seano and Reusch. Lfcder, I did not even know the same ref screwed up the same play in the next game. Not surprised. I do disagree w/ Lovs being a pillock as he did not even make a challenge. People say it was a soft penalty. Well in a big game if it is a softie, you don't give it as it is not clear. Isn't that what the @experts@ tell us? Oh but now that it is Lovren and LFC, the rules changed. Consistency is all we ask for from the refs, is it not?

Ron, I agree with you globally BUT apples to oranges again. Shirt tugs is a clear attempt to infringe on the player's ability to score and if you do that then, you are asking for it. Lovren did NONE of that and again, there is NO rule on the books that says a defender cannot put his hand on the back of a striker to especially if the defender is protecting his goal. What Lewin did is what Vardy, Young and Hazard have been doing for years so nothing new on this front. What is doing my head in is people making up rules to suit their narratives when none of such rules exist.

15.) 22 Dec 2017 13:20:35
anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul, but 9 times out of 10 you don't get them but don't put your hands on people and then the ref has no decision to make but that was 3 games ago now so forget about it.

16.) 22 Dec 2017 13:23:22
Hjikle, I can give you countless examples of why Lovren is a quite awful defender but you have heard them multiple times before and should have seen them yourself over the years. If we put him up for sale in January there's not one premier league team would touch him, he'd probably go abroad for button's.

The idiot or idiots who threatened him are clowns who hide behind there keyboard and would never have harmed him, but nobody advocates that kind of behaviour, but to gloss over his obvious failings as a defender with these excuses is ridiculous and as I've said before, the player himself would be appalled that people are using this to defend him.

Can you all stop with the derby penalty, it was stonewall penalty and your all making yourselves look bitter and are using it to defend klopp from his terrible team selection on the day, it was a mistake a mistake I hope he will never make again i. e. Next month.

17.) 22 Dec 2017 13:27:33
Lovren did not shove Lewin at all. I have seen so many times, it's nauseating. He jumped into Lovren's chest, drew the contact and went down like he took a bullet. We may disagree on that BUT that is just a difference in opinions. Nothing more. Ref Peter Walton said he would not have given a penalty had it been him while Clattenburg said he would. Differences of opinions and nothing more.

18.) 22 Dec 2017 16:06:47
Referees do not have an easy job but they chose to do it and are paid well enough. I don’t think the quality of refereeing is gold enough and so many media outlets now have ex referees commenting on every major decision which to be fair to the current crop makes their job a bit more difficult as they have all their choices analysed even deeper.



14 Dec 2017 10:42:43
Ignoring the rest of the performance, Klopp has an interesting problem now. Karius has been good all season in the Champions league despite rarely having much to do, there wasn't much he could do about most of the goals we conceeded there.

Now he's been given his second PL game with a fair bit to do, and did much better than Mings has been doing on average this season. Klopp said he started because Mings had a niggle, but does he seize the opportunity and let Karius continue or does he revert back to the 'standard' back line?


1.) 14 Dec 2017 10:51:47
There is no interesting problem. He meant what he said! Mignolet will be back once he is fully fit!

2.) 14 Dec 2017 11:17:24
Karius should be the number 1 now, Migs has never and will never be good enough for us, Karius last night showed some signs of utter class, if Migs is put in front of him now then I just don't know anymore. To me the whole GK situation is a shambles, rotating them left right and center it's pure stupid, keep to one goalkeeper, the one who looks the best, Karius! I love Klopp and have little bad to say about him but this is a big problem he needs to fix, why stand by Migs? I just don't get it and it really frustrates me.

I fear if Karius doesn't get the chances he deserves he may get fedup and want out? who knows. I've seen many people saying we need another GK to this I can't disagree more, we have not only Karius but Ward, why do we need another Goalkeeper?

3.) 14 Dec 2017 11:24:40
Karius this season has 5 clean sheets in 8 games, conceding just 6 goals. 5 of which came against Sevilla who are one of the top 4 teams in Spain nowadays.

For me it's a no brainer. He has to start over Mignolet who despite improving, still cost us a victory as recently as 2 weeks ago by misjudging Willian's cross. He also cost us a result against Watford, Burnley and Newcastle just off the top of my head. Those 8 points alone would have us on the edge the title race, rather than the edge of top 4. I'd even argue that he was partially at fault for the first goals against both Spurs and Man City, though it's speculative to suggest we'd have got a result in those games anyway. Plus he nearly cost us another 2 points at Leicester, but Vardy bailed him out with a penalty Benteke would be embarrassed by. In fact the only points dropped where Mignolet is blameless for me are the draws against United, Everton and West Brom. Every other point dropped, he had a part to play in it in my opinion. That's alarming when you factor in that United and Everton put him under absolutely no pressure and he didn't play against the Baggies! He's not always the sole culprit, or even the main culprit, but he is usually involved when things go wrong at the back!

Mignolet is a lovely bloke. I follow him on social media and he really is a genuinely nice guy who noticeably tries harder than any other Liverpool player to engage with the fans, but he is costing us 15-20 points a season. It is genuinely that bad as well, when you realise his mistakes have directly cost us at least 8 points in 17 games so far. At that rate he'll cost us about 18 points this season. All players make mistakes, but we can't carry someone who makes nearly 10 a season which lead to a goal.

I don't even think Mignolet is awful now. He is probably average or slightly above it. It is just his frequent rash decisions or lapses in concentration that make him a liability. Same applies to Lovren. If they have error free games, they're actually all right players. Between them though, they're averaging an error leading to a goal every other game! Over a season you accept that even top keepers and defenders might make 1 or 2 glaring mistakes. But 10? It's got to change. Karius should be first choice for that reason alone; He is less error prone.

4.) 14 Dec 2017 13:18:01
Look forward to your analysis of both how many points he saved as well by his shots saved and also the points lost by other players as a direct result of an error or mistake. I'm sure we would owe the league points if you total them up.

Oh sorry? your comment was a random number based on your perception rather than fact? ah well, .

5.) 14 Dec 2017 14:17:30
Marshy how many saves has Mignolet made that were truly great? I can only think of the Penalty save against Hoffenheim and possibly the save against Brighton 15 seconds before we scored (though in my opinion Murray fluffed his lines and made it easy, ou could argue Mignolet's positioning and reactions had to be spot on) . He makes routine saves, but he doesn't make saves that he has no right to make regularly. Not like Lloris, De Gea, Ederson and Courtois do.

Even if he hadn't made that save against Brighton, we were playing so well we might have won anyway, but I'll play your little game. So say he saved us 2 points by stopping Murray? That reduces his points cost down to 6 in 15 league appearances. Woohoo! Knight him!

All players make small errors. If they didn't, football could be solved by an algorithm. If you hyper analyse every goal, there will always be an error involved. If you hyper analyse every failed attack, there will always be an error!

We are talking about major errors though that directly and undeniably cost us points. Not being weak in a one of one, or from a cross, or being beaten by a decent shot. Those are more of a lack of ability rather than a massive mistake.

Everybody makes mistakes. Maybe it's a misplaced pass, punching the ball when you should catch it, a missed shot, an over hit cross, or even just not communicating with a team mate. Those are all errors which happen all the time, but they aren't critical errors.

Critical errors are missed penalties, being out of position, conceding a needless set piece, flapping the ball to the feet of an opposition player, missing an open goal, passing it straight to the opposition under no pressure etc.

Of course this is all my perception. Football isn't an exact science. There is no algorithm to solve it. It is that subjective debate that makes it so popular. Rather than attacking my opinion purely for being an opinion (yes, you seriously did that), why don't you try and counter my point of view? Find me some examples where Mignolet has done something brilliant. Not a run of the mill save. Might as well start applauding defensive clearances under no pressure, or 5 yard passes from a midfielder, or a striker for getting in the box. Saving shots is the minimum expectation of a goal keeper. It doesn't make Mignolet great if he stops 2 shots a game hit nearly straight at him.

I'm all ears though. Explain to me why Mignolet is good enough for a team with title winning aspirations. I'm really looking forward to it.

6.) 14 Dec 2017 14:32:26
Very well said MK.

7.) 14 Dec 2017 15:51:33
The same De Gea you said wasn't world class MK? Not sure goalkeeping critiques are your strong suit kid.

8.) 14 Dec 2017 16:55:24
You say he is slightly above average but costs us 15-20 points a season. Not sure that makes any sense. He is crap and costs us about 10-12 points more likely.

9.) 14 Dec 2017 16:56:49
Migs costs us 15-20 points a season? It's difficult to take a post seriously with a statement like that.

10.) 14 Dec 2017 17:31:01
Migs isn't the worst, but he's also light years from great. I don't like knee jerk reactions, but he has had 3 full years. Face it, he isn't going to get any better and he simply isn't good enough. You don't have to be a great GK critic to see that.

11.) 14 Dec 2017 17:34:45
If we had swapped keepers with MU at the start of the season I am sure we would have 6/ 9 more points at this time, and while I don't usually watch them apart from against us the whole match against Arsenal and the save from Matip were 6 points MU wouldn't have got had Mings been in goal for them (I'm sure De Gea has contributed some more) .
That's a minimum swing of 12 points, possibly as high as 18/ 20 by swapping world class for average and vice versa.

12.) 14 Dec 2017 18:07:59
Dunno why my post didn't get through, but basically, I've never said De Gea isn't world class. I just think Oblak and Buffon are better. Less than a month ago i voted for De Gea as the player I'd take if we could have one player from any Prem team. Buffon came 4th in the Ballon D'or last year. Anybody who thinks he's past it, hasn't watched Juventus enough. There is more to goal keeping than highlight reel saves. Though i accept some people prefer De Gea. That's fair enough.

Average means you are in the middle of your field/ range. Let's be honest, there are worse keepers than Mignolet. Forster, Foster, Hart, Ryan, Lossl, Fabianski, Darlow etc to name a few. There are also better keeper like De Gea, Lloris, Courtois, Ederson, Cech, Pope etc. Mignolet is an average keeper because I'd say a third of the keepers are better, but a third are worse. That puts Mignolet in the middle 3rd alongside the likes of Pickford, Begovic, Gomes etc. The keepers for bottom dwelling clubs tend to make errors every week so they probably cost more like 30 points a season. At least Mignolet has the occasional week without error. He has improved massively, but it says it all that he's come on so much and is still just a run of the mill keeper. We needs keeper to take us to the next level.

Goalkeeper is the hardest position in football because your mistakes usually cost points. That is the reality of it to be honest. The best keepers just make less mistakes than others.

{Ed025's Note - for me MK de,gea is better than both oblak and buffon, but as you say it all about opinions..

13.) 14 Dec 2017 18:08:08
So if we get 76 points this season, you are saying if we swapped keepers we would get 96 points?

There are too many people on here in total dreamland. You are forgetting that there are many other players in the squad not upto standard.

Hendo 5 points
Lovren 10 points
gk 20 points
mane missed chances 15 points
carra own goals 6 points

in your logic we should get 180 points a season.

14.) 14 Dec 2017 19:20:37
I understand your point Mark, but that is why goal keeper is the most important position on the pitch. Because it is the one position where a good or bad player can literally be the difference between winning the league or finishing 5th. It is an absolutely vital position. Anyone else makes a mistake and you there are 9 other outfield players to potentially bale them out. Goalkeeper is the last line of defence though. You can't afford mistakes there. Being a keeper is all about concentration, organisation, positioning and decision making. If you have to launch into a flying save it might look spectacular but it usually means you were out of position, or the shot was absolutely perfect.

Ferguson knew that a good keeper was worth an extra 15-20 points a season. That's why he was so successful. It was always his priority position.

15.) 14 Dec 2017 18:24:51
Ed025 agree De Gea is best in the world for me. Makes hardly any mistakes and is mentally as strong as steel. He didn't spit his dummy out when he didn't go the Real. He just kept producing great performances even when he knew his team weren't going to win anything. World class.

{Ed025's Note - its hard to argue otherwise mark, i really believe that utd would be mid table without his saves mate..

16.) 14 Dec 2017 20:10:21
I agree with you there Ed025.

De Gea has conceded 11 goals from 76 shots against him.

In contrast, Mignolet has conceded 20 goals in 46 shots.

United concede so many chances. De Gea bails them out so much. He's easily worth 20+ points a season to them.

{Ed025's Note - he is MK and thats the only reason why united are in the top 4, also city,s keeper is making a massive difference as well, a good cat makes all the difference mate and is a massive liverpool downfall..

17.) 14 Dec 2017 20:37:25
Ed025 a top goalie helps us no doubt but we would still be a long long way from winning the league. We have many other players who are not good enough as you well know mate.

The players need to get their act together asap or the OTT posters on here will be saying in a month - oh it's ok we are only 6 points from 4th and 24 points from the top.

{Ed025's Note - some will say that a top keeper instills confidence in his defence mark which would solve a lot of liverpools problems mate..

18.) 14 Dec 2017 20:51:20
It is by far the most important position for me, Ed. Not only can it help everyone to relax defensively, it also takes pressure off the forwards. When you go into games feeling like you need to score 3, it is much harder than knowing if you get 1, you have a keeper and a defence who can hold on to a slender lead.

That stuff can't really be measured, but you can measure that De Gea conceded 1 in 7 shots and Mignolet concedes 1 in 2!

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

19.) 14 Dec 2017 21:13:54
MK is spot on. Ed25, I agree that a top GK helps a lot as DDG is like you, the only reason Utd are in the top 4 cos w/ o him, heaven knows where they would be. Just check the B'mouth game last night where B'mouth had so many chances BUT DDG was there to save them until Lukaku scored. Had they had Migs, Utd would have lost.

Having said that, all the top GK's are taken right now so we have to build our own and Karius (who I am a huge fan of) has all the tools to be a top GK in a Klopp system as he was highly rated in Germany before he came to us. All he needs is experience at this level cos the top ones were not born top GK's. They had to learn like everyone else. The question is that do some of our fans have the patience to persevere with him and that is my biggest fear judging by the way they shamelessly turned on him for making a mistake or two.

As for his comparison to Migs, it is very simple. Karius has made ONE mistake that led to a goal this season (at Spartak) . Migs made THREE mistakes in one game at LC. Job done!

20.) 14 Dec 2017 22:03:14
In my house if anything goes wrong. We call it a mignolet moment.

Karious for me all day. however, I really would like us to break the bank for a worldy keeper. ready made quality. the difference it would make. Not just shot stopping, but organisation wise too.

21.) 14 Dec 2017 23:20:39
MK one problem with the goals conceded from shots stat, it shows nothing of value without the context. One keeper could save 90/ 100 but actually every single shot was straight at him. So he conceded 10 he shouldn't have. Another could save 70/ 100 but in fact only 50 were standard saves he is expected to make.

That isn't to say that the context wouldn't prove the point but that it is the context and not the numbers that would prove it. Stats alone never really show an individual player's performance.

22.) 15 Dec 2017 09:03:31
It was a while ago MK but don't you remember a debate you and I had about him, and stated that he was world class and (I'm paraphrasing) you said he was a very good keeper but no way was he world class. Your on here quite a lot MK so probably don't remember it, so I'll let you off 😂😂. I agree by the way that mignolet should be replaced by karius, but long term I don't think he's the answer, hope I'm proved wrong though.

23.) 15 Dec 2017 09:07:52
The only issue i have with MK's argument is it is unfair to blame Migs totally. Where does the 'this error cost us a point' line start? Yes, when Mig's got lobbed recently, he was in the wrong. But how far do you go back? Was there a misplaced pass 5 minutes earlier that turned possession over by someone in midfield? Does that not shift blame to them? I agree MK that Migs is average and does cost us points, but it is impossible to put a number on it and also unfair.

24.) 16 Dec 2017 23:41:50
Stuie that is part of the problem of whether people understand what they're watching. Why so many coaches keep trying to say it isn't just defenders who defend. Mignolet isn't a top 4 keeper but some of our other players don't always perform like top 4 players and when they don't we don't.




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25 Apr 2018 10:42:31
Fully agree ed001, but I'm dissapointed that we have to give them a chance now. I questioned at the time, and continue to question, why they are not as a rule present in every match day squad so they could have gotten some chances in a few of the 16 (yes that's right, 16) games this season where we have won by 3 or more goals? It does get annoying finding ourselves repeatedly unprepared for this.


{Ed001's Note - I expect the Prem will follow Serie A's lead and increase the number of subs available soon enough. Serie A did it because they wanted to help the Italian national side by giving youngsters more chances in the first team. Whether it would actually do that or not is arguable but it would certainly mean managers would have no excuse for not giving kids a chance. Though it would probably just see Guardiola demand another half billion to spend to fill the bench with expensive first team players....}



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25 Apr 2018 08:44:43
In terms of having enough in the tank it shouldn't be a problem Ed001. But we are also one errant kick from not having enough fit midfielders for the biggest game of the decade.


{Ed001's Note - then you give a youngster a chance and you never know you might unearth a future star. If we aren't going to give them a chance when injuries strike because of panicky fans we may as well scrap the academy altogether.}



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23 Apr 2018 16:11:26
Think Leek's comments might be purely based on his performances against us in the league cup semi's last year.




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11 Apr 2018 11:08:47
flidby - I'd have to disagree there actually. I think his commitment is a major part of the problem - he gives his all in the big games but he's one of the worst in the squad for switching off and taking it easy against the so called smaller teams, and I can count at least 5 times he's avoided a hard challenge or a tactical foul that ended up costing us badly. I could not say with confidence that he gives his all - I think he's been saving himself to try and catch someones eye this year.




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11 Apr 2018 08:58:59
Neither would start in our team, and neither are attainable, although at this point in time Rashford is the better forward.





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25 Apr 2018 16:16:17
Exactly BRover.




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25 Apr 2018 16:15:37
Guys, we have one league match (vs Chelsea) to win and one CL match (the final) we need to win in the next month of football, if we can avoid losing the game next wednesday too badly. That is worst case scenario. Why can't we do both?




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25 Apr 2018 14:41:29
Not to mention the fact that whilst it's hardly ideal, with proper preparation you would still be able to play football over Ramadan. Not eating during daylight hours will not leave you slowly dying in a darkened room as your emaciated body crumbles to death, however much it might feel like it when your morning meeting rumbles half an hour into your normal lunchtime.




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25 Apr 2018 10:35:04
What are the chances that Stoke will not scythe down our players on the regular? About the same as Danny Ings winning the golden boot this season.




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25 Apr 2018 10:32:12
You do have to wonder how big a game has to be before our players choose to pay attention for the full 90 minutes.


{Ed001's Note - it is not really a lack of attention. More a case of some players continuing to play the full press while others were dropping off and looking to just see out the game. The players need to sort that out between themselves on the pitch, the same way they sort out the triggers for a press in most games. It is something that comes with experience.}