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Observations of the season so far regarding Liverpool FC

05 Dec 2023 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - redhead100 has posted a new article entitled, Observations of the season so far regarding Liverpool FC

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1.) 05 Dec 2023 08:39:09
I think it's time to try a midfield of Endo as DM, Mac Allister as left CM and Szoboszlai as right CM. I like Gravenberch on the left but his decision-making needs improvement.


2.) 05 Dec 2023 09:19:36
Agree with you @ArAy, till January. and In january go and buy a top class (very high end) DM.


3.) 05 Dec 2023 10:08:34
Harry, you know very well that with Endo, Mac Allister and Gravenberch on the books, Klopp is not going to do that. They can all do the DM bit to varying degrees. That's what I think, anyway.

Klopp will surprise us all and go and buy a right winger. He did the same in buying Diaz and Nunez (to replace Mané and Firmino) . This is how we'll all know Salah is moving on next summer.


4.) 05 Dec 2023 12:30:23
"And In january go and buy a top class (very high end) DM".

Another waffle job but I'll play along. So Harry, go on then. Name 3 "Top class, very High End" DM's (whatever the football that means) that are out there that Liverpool can get? I'll wait.


5.) 05 Dec 2023 13:13:55
I’ve got no issues with Endo starting but we’re 2nd in the league and I’m not sure what difference Endo on his own would have made against Chelsea, Spurs, Brighton, City and Luton.

The other game we didn’t win was against Toulouse and they cut us open like they were the Harlem globe trotters of football and that was with Endo starting.

Last season we had Fab a Dm and Hendo who is a lot more reserved and we didn’t get near top 4 let alone top spot. This season we have a more attacking midfield who are getting goals and assists and we seem to be wanting more defensive midfielders as fans.

Give me a 4-3 over Fulham in Anfield every day of the week over a 1-0 boring game.

If Endo starts then great good luck to him but we don’t have to play down the achievements of the other players to give him praise.

It seems Konate/ Gomez and Nunez can’t get praise unless it’s at the expense of knocking Matip and Jota also.

We’re very lucky to have the squad we do which is allowing plenty of minutes across 3 competitions with a fourth to come and we’re challenging in each one.


6.) 05 Dec 2023 17:10:46
JK, the point is not what Endo has done and what the others have not done. It's rather me thinking that Endo is now as good as Mac Allister at DM, and I'd like to see Mac Allister forward in his supposed left CM "natural" position. If Mac Allister is "over" his "confidence crisis" (or whatever it was), it'll do wonders for our forwards. The threat of two long ball hitters (in Mac Allister and Szoboszlai) will open up even more spaces for our forwards since opponents will rush forward to close them down more than before.


7.) 05 Dec 2023 17:46:15
Aray my comment wasn’t aimed at anyone in the post thread and was just me kind of commenting out aloud.

I hear what your saying and If Klopp were to do
That then I’m sure it would be because he thinks it would work and I’m sure Mac would prefer to play further forward.

I’ve watched Endo closely in and out of camera shot in our 3 home Europa games (Lask being his best performance) and for me personally I’m unsure if he offers us more out of possession than what the others do and I don’t believe he offers the same as them in possession.

The fact we dominate possession against most sides I don’t really see the requirement for him to replace anyone. Plus he’s also due to depart us for 5 weeks in a months time.

However I hope I’m wrong and if Klopp does give him an extended run in the league I’ll be cheering him on and wishing him the best.


8.) 05 Dec 2023 17:53:21
And you're absolutely right. Not fair at all that only one or few players get the credit. It's a team sport, after all. Credit should go to all or none.

So how about criticism? Shouldn't the same apply? It's a team sport and all that. So why lump the defeat at Toulouse on only Endo's shoulders? ?.


9.) 05 Dec 2023 20:00:59
Where did I say we lost to Toulouse because of Endo?


10.) 05 Dec 2023 20:47:18
I think we will see a centre half next to be honest.


11.) 05 Dec 2023 21:21:54
@Habibi - great call let’s spend pots of money on a player that you don’t even have a name for, let alone talk about him being a ‘fit’ for the club.

If we are going to spend money, given Matip’s current injury and his advancing age and his contract being up in July I’d look at the (levy sided) centre back options as a priority.


12.) 06 Dec 2023 13:28:38
Agreed, if Matip's recovery is going to be measured in months instead of weeks, then it's high time to go out and get that CB.

What I'd like to avoid is Gomez being put back in CB to fill in, given that Konate gets injured often. Gomez is playing far better as RB or LB and I'd just leave him there instead of messing with his mind, once again. Use Quansah as VVD's backup and go out and buy a backup for Matip and Konate, or play both sides of CB.


13.) 06 Dec 2023 13:28:52
I don't disagree that we should try to get a DM in January. Clearly we failed to land one in the summer so the need is still there.

Whether there is one available is up to the recruitment team to figure out.


14.) 06 Dec 2023 18:01:49
@ArAy, I think Quansah is now considered a ‘trusted’ starter within the club. I think that he is approaching being on a par with Joe in terms of a starting CB. It wouldn’t surprise me (in Matip’s absence) if Quansah is used as a CB as much as, if not more than Joe.


 

 

04 Dec 2023 14:15:27
My brief observations of the season so far:

1. So far, so good. We are near the top without whilst still in 3rd gear. I feel like once we start playing at our full potential, we will blow teams away.

2. Goals conceded stat. People have been saying we have a good defence because we had one of the lowest goals conceded but we conceded so many chances that I do not think we defend particularly well as a team, we just have the best GK in the world who comes to our rescue. We should not conflate a low goals conceded record with a good defence. I think this is where the XG conceded stat is helpful as it shows whether it is the GK or the defending doing the work.

3. We need a recognised DM. Endo or Bajetic need to play to provide balance in the midfield. I like Endo and the fact his passing is progressive. I also heard a rumour that in Germany he conceded the most fouls without being booked so he is quite cute in that regard (if true) .

4. I hate the inverted full back tactic. I think it only works when Gomez plays as he can sit at right back quite comfortably when TAA comes in. People say that its working because we are winning but if we kept a normal formation (no inversion) we could have won games more comfortably, who knows. What I know is we are being attacked down our right all the time and lots of space is being vacated. I have read people say that its pros outweigh its cons (i. e. TAA being more creative and creating more chances) but the same would be true if TAA played in midfield as normal (i. e. a fixed position) and we had a right back who stayed at right back like Gomez or Bradley. The only difference being it would not be an over-load in the centre of the park. I am not sure how much that over-load actually helps, it may do.

5. Nunez is good and once he improves his finishing he will be very good. At the moment, it feels like he has golf clubs in his boots because most of his shots go sky-high!

6. Salah has lost a yard of pace but evolved into a great passer. The weight of his passes and his passing has really improved as he is assisting more. We are no longer reliant on him but play as more of a team now.

We have a good squad. I particularly like Harvey Elliott coming on to affect games as a sub and the fact we have Jones, Endo, Bajetic, Gakpo, Jota who can all come in and do a very good job.

redhead100

1.) 04 Dec 2023 16:21:13
Enjoyed reading that redhead.

My only counter discussion is we’re 2nd in the league ahead of City and that’s without starting a recognised Dm.

Endo could have started more games but would that have affected the Spurs result or made a difference against Luton where we had about 75% possession. Or made a difference v Chelsea and Brighton. Who knows

As bad as Jota, Matip and Mac seem to be amongst the LFC fans online we’re doing pretty well this season with all 3 of them contributing significantly.


2.) 04 Dec 2023 17:38:38
Can Nunez improve his finishing that I'd the question? Gakpo for me is the better player out the two.


3.) 04 Dec 2023 18:37:45
OP, the whole DM thingy is a bit overblown at this point, IMO and even I who wanted quality DM even tho Endo is very good and knows the position inside out, am starting to move on from it.

Klopp before the the City game, explained exactly what the plan is with Macca and he said exactly that Macca is great at the DM position IF we remain compact out of possession and press well for the most part. Correct me if Im wrong but were we not doing the above with Fab at DM in our pump under Klopp 1.0? Think about it. This is what we are now and we need to move on from this cos I have.

And I see people saying like "we need a DM" everytime we concede which is bonkers. So would a DM have helped defend the setpiece that led to to their second goal? Rodri, the best DM in the world has been woeful in the past few games, not cos he has been playing poorly but cos he has been exposed and left on his own with oppising team's mid's running at him. Do you see anyone accusing or blaming him for the ship load of goals they are conceding? I don't.

So for me, Klopp has decided to go with this regardless and like it or not, we have the 2nd best defence in the PL and we are still in a rebuild so I take the positives and not dwell on the other stuff. Just my opinion.


4.) 04 Dec 2023 18:49:00
Nice one, redhead100.

Legs and firepower has got us here. Let's see where we are after the New Years Day fixture vs Newcastle.

Tactics are still questionable and DM needs solving.


5.) 04 Dec 2023 18:20:46
I'd agree with most of that especially Salah and his assists. There's a few on here including myself who question klopps teamsheet.
The biggest question I feel has this team already peaked for this season? Hopefully not.


6.) 04 Dec 2023 22:29:55
Great post that mate.


7.) 05 Dec 2023 01:49:28
Salah has lost a yard or two of pace. Very obvious to see and is not suited to a traditional winger sort of role. But a new dimension of his game has opened which even he might not be aware - key pass/ assit

We all seem to enjoy and like this new aspect.


Macallister scored a beautiful goal but he is being passed by opposition as a thin paper sheet and he is very slow. (slower than milner)

Endo is better of the too for the role.

Graven - he looks appealing with few things he does but final pass is astray / ponders and loses.

Szoboszlai is top drawer and will get better. Need to carefully handle or we might run him to ground like Andy.

Gapko has a terrific shot from little or no run. ala Sturridge.


8.) 05 Dec 2023 12:28:06
Sorry meant to say - great post @Salah, made me laugh mate, thank you.


 

 

31 Dec 2022 16:35:04
Hi.
I can't find the donation section on this site. What's happened to it?

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05 Jul 2022 13:20:57
Just looking back on the season and re-thinking the CL final vs real madrid. I think Klopp is the best thing since sliced bread, and maybe I am looking back with the benefit of hindsight but sometimes I wonder if Klopp could be more versatile tactically, for example play defensive and/ or counter attacking in some games.

When I look at successful cup managers, I see that the majority of them are overwhelmingly defensive minded i. e. Mourinho, Rafa Benitez, Carlo Ancelloti, Unai Emery.

Maybe I am over-thinking it as Klopp has quite a good record in cup finals?

redhead100

1.) 05 Jul 2022 14:05:21
OP, You're overthinking it. Klopp played exactly the way you are describing when we beat Spurs in that CL final 3 years ago and we used to pummel City for fun playing counter attacking football btw 2016 and 2018 so you are pointing out what he already does and has done.

Also, I believe had we scored first, we would have done the exact same thing vs Spurs which is the exact same thing RM did to us when they scored. Chelsea did the same thing to City in the CL final last year as well so none of the managers you mentioned (Klopp included) have reinvented the wheel here. We had a couple of really great chances to score vs RM and we didn't. It happens so no need to overthink it, IMO. It's football.


2.) 05 Jul 2022 14:07:29
I think you're over thinking - if we had finished half the chances we had, we would have won that game, same with both domestic cup finals, we made it a lot harder for ourselves because we didn't finish our chances.


3.) 05 Jul 2022 14:09:21
I think teams have started to play a certain way against us. Defend deep, lob the ball behind Trent and hope for the best.
We are still good enough to batter most teams but if a team that’s also good have a bit of luck with it then we can see what happens.
I think we needed to see a slight change happen and I think with Mane out and Nunez in, we have changed enough offensively that teams are going to have to adapt slightly in defence to cope. They will probably still defend deep and lob the ball over Trent but their defenders will be facing something different and will have something else to think about. Teams will know liverpools front 3 inside out because it’s largely unchanged for a few years now, so tactically they can prepare for it, now I think they will have to go back to the drawing board a little. So provided Nunez isn’t a flop we might get a bit more luck next year when teams are defending so deep.


4.) 05 Jul 2022 14:28:03
Real were (supposedly) meant to be easy opposition with a team of ageing players but in fairness they turned up on the night and defended for most parts with their bodies on the line.

We had lots of opportunities and we didn’t take them. For me even Real’s first goal should have stood. Goals win games and we didn’t score any whilst Real were awarded 1 of theirs.

After every defeat I’m sure coaches think of the what ifs but it’s all about how we rebound now going into next season.


5.) 05 Jul 2022 14:57:52
Let's just remember that Courtois played out of his skin that night (wasn't he MoM? ) . Sometimes, that just happens, sadly.


6.) 05 Jul 2022 15:33:47
I think if your name is not meant to be on the trophy then there's not a great deal you can do about it.
We pummelled Real Madrid yet they won with their only shot on target.
In situations like that it doesn't matter what way you play in my opinion.


7.) 05 Jul 2022 16:31:05
We were the better team in champs league final. a centre forward was needed. We have that now so im very confident we can turn atleast 2 of those draws from prem to wins this season coming. My only concern with the club is we seem to have too much sentiment with certain players. We've moved minamino, origi and probably neco onto pastures new. But the likes of ox bobby and keita remain. hopefully they'll be gone soon. Taki could of replaced ox, carvalho to replace keitas minutes. It's time to say a fond farewell. Hopefully Bellingham comes in next summer. Bring on the new season.


8.) 05 Jul 2022 16:52:59
Agree w JK first goal should have stood for me too; looked like it came off our player. I think the HT talk would have been diff and we'd have had 45 mins to score not 30.


9.) 05 Jul 2022 17:04:06
It’s a massive regret because that was seriously there to be won. We are miles ahead of Madrid.
But winning and losing Major finals is what being a Big club is all about, we’ve won more European finals than any other English club, and we’ve also lost more than them too
That’s history, and All Part of this Gigantic club that is Liverpool. We’ll be back.


10.) 05 Jul 2022 17:35:36
Courtois was average that night, it was just our finishing was poor.


11.) 05 Jul 2022 18:38:29
Excatly Jones red 100% agree mate?.


12.) 05 Jul 2022 18:47:20
Disagree, Jones Red.


13.) 05 Jul 2022 18:55:49
Klopp has got a 5-4 record of wins v losses whilst at Liverpool, though better if the first couple of seasons are discounted when the team was still being developed.
Personally I love his positive attitude and attacking football, it’s a credit to the club and the game in general.


14.) 05 Jul 2022 19:34:15
Zed at least one of those shots should have went in. Bad finishing cost us.


15.) 05 Jul 2022 19:55:53
Can’t believe what I’m reading the keeper saved RM all night long.


16.) 05 Jul 2022 17:49:08
Think it’s more a case of us not being clinical enough when we create chances.

I think this is something ed001 has mentioned before.

We need to put the chances away with more precision.

If we could do that we would win the bloody lot.


17.) 05 Jul 2022 20:02:41
We lost concentration for a few moments and were unable to break madrid down. it happens. You can't afford to switch off in big games. Courtouis made one or two good saves and the rest was poor finishing / decisions, again pressure creates the environment.


18.) 05 Jul 2022 20:06:33
We had a number of good chances in that game and poor finishing was what cost us. Not a single save Courtois made was anything special at all.


19.) 05 Jul 2022 21:07:36
We have been profligate in not just the UCL final but all three Cup finals we played in this season but yes, let’s make an excuse for our poor finishing and say Courtois had a blinder.

I recall one save where I thought that is a worldie, the rest I was screaming at our players for hitting the goalkeeper.

{Ed0666's Note - I agree Courtois wasn’t anywhere near world class. He made one exceptional save from Mane and the rest Allison would have made with his eyes closed.


20.) 05 Jul 2022 21:30:40
Problem is we could have had a proper striker in Kane or Haaland who despite being great finishers didn’t guide either of their teams to any cup finals last season.

Our forwards didn’t find the mark in any of the 3 finals but without them we wouldn’t have been there in the first place.

We still have 4 of the 5 so Klopp must be relatively pleased with them and their finishing.


21.) 05 Jul 2022 21:50:15
Spurs now under Conte, will adopt the same tactics as Ancelotti, mass defence and counter attack.

I must say i really envious their front three of Son, Kane and now Richarlison that is some fire power and goals.


22.) 05 Jul 2022 23:43:09
Envious of Richarlison?
Eh?
No doubt at all about the qualities of the other 2, but not Richy la.
He's a glorified junk yard dog. Fire power will be more along the lines of dive power.


23.) 06 Jul 2022 01:13:40
Son is light years ahead of Kane and Richarlison. Conte would be a brave man to drop ‘one of our own’ who Spurs fans 5he know is the greatest striker that ever lived ( who, incidentally, isn’t fit to lace Jimmy Greaves’s boots ), so I hope, Richarlison is a £60m ornament. Or more accurately he is not ‘world’ standard. I don’t see him being an automatic starter for us or City or PSG or Bayern Munich or Real Madrid.


24.) 06 Jul 2022 09:54:58
Juicer, I fully agree with you there on Klopp's positivity. He is the reason I have NO fear of failure under him even though, I want us to win every game. If we don't win the league or a trophy (of any type), I'm sad for a short while BUT not defeated nor do I dwell on the sadness. Why? Cos I know Klopp will try again and again and again till he wins. That is what keeps me going as a fan of LFC under him whenever we don't win and long may that continue.


25.) 06 Jul 2022 22:55:31
That night Courtois made one, and only one, save that is worth mentioning. Nothing else went by him because the balls were shot right at him. Watch the game again, I have. A normal confident Salah would have had a hat-trick in that game. A tired and distracted (contract talks? ) Salah was pulling his shots and not finding open spaces neither for himself or for his team mates. Even before the game, I was expecting Real to score at least one goal. But I fully expected us to score three. Our finishing was poor.


 

 

12 Apr 2022 01:03:50
Im seeing a lot of posts saying good result considering we didn't play well. At what point do we give the opponent credit for stopping us playing well rather than saying bad day at the office.

Citys players are far better on the ball than our players which means they enjoyed the lions share of possession and as a result had a lot more chances. All of their players are comfortable on the ball and could easily be midfield players.

We need to figure out a way of beating city without going toe to toe with them because their passing is a lot more accurate and they can and did play us off the park.

Im glad we got a result considering the performance, the chances we conceded and the fact we got lucky with a few tackles that could have been second yellows.

redhead100

1.) 12 Apr 2022 07:33:09
We don’t give credit to others here. Every other team and their players are crap 😜.


2.) 12 Apr 2022 09:41:46
Spot on Jk.
May I add alison better than Ederson
Back 4 better than theirs
Attack better than theirs 😀😀😀😀
Fabinho better than Rodri.


3.) 12 Apr 2022 11:00:16
I give City loads of credit. They are a great side. But we deserve credit for challenging City even when we are not on playing well.
I wish I didn't have to give City so much credit but I do!


4.) 12 Apr 2022 05:57:02
They owned us for a good 80 minutes and reading most of the posts its the opposite 😀😀😀. I don’t know what bravery are we talking on this page when we ourself considers them inferior to us.


5.) 12 Apr 2022 06:35:04
We were far more successful in matches against City when we used to overpower them in midfield and counter-attack with such speed they simply couldn’t cope. Spurs and Crystal Palace regularly show that City are still very vulnerable to devastating speed in counter-attacks. Such a style can be used to great effect in cup competitions but is not conducive to challenging for a league title, especially when 90+ points is the objective.

We now rely on a far heavier possession-based style of play, and given City are the only team in the world (possibly Real Madrid as well) with more technical quality than us, though not necessarily a better team, matches wherein we are effectively pitting our technical ability against City’s are inevitably far closer. Where we have an advantage over City is that we can score in more ways, whereas City trade natural goal threats for better control of games.


 

 

 

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24 Jan 2022 13:05:47
@Jay Dub Red- I actually would prefer a player who asks for guaranteed game time. For me it shows a positive attitude and a player who wants to play football.

I would seriously question any player in their prime who moves to a club just to sit on the bench.

Good on the player for wanting to actually play football.

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17 Mar 2021 11:47:17
how many teams in the world can say they have 2 top class players in each position? Not many. It is definitely the exception, not the rule. As previously explained, we do not have the money to have 2 top class players in each position either.

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10 Jan 2021 02:07:51
I would take socrates from arsenal. Bags of experience and going on the cheap. Good short term option.

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17 Jan 2018 12:10:18
you can't expect players to come from different leagues and replicate their goal tally. this is the most competitve league in the world and Hazard has proved he is one of the best players in the world. If he scores 100 goals a season in China, comes to England and only gets 20, does that mean he's underwhelmed?

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03 May 2022 12:48:34
@JK23 If Liverpool done that they would be slapped with a lawsuit from the agent for inducing breach of contract or the agent would pursue Salah for unpaid agent fees.

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18 Mar 2022 23:15:32
What I'm saying is against a team like city, chelsea or bayern we could have been punished in the first half. Going forward, I would always play 1 of firmino or salah in the front 3 to make it stick and bring others into play.

Dont agree about arsenal having a tiring defence. They didn't have to defend in the first half. The goal came from a great pass and some clever movement which is what thiago and Jota are capable of.

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24 Feb 2022 16:17:08
Mark I agree. Penalty for me also. I always think what if it was the other way round and if that happened to one of our strikers, I would expect a penalty and if not, I would expect VAR to have intervened. I think the ref done a lot of favours for us last night. Bit unsure on the Mane penalty as well.

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14 Nov 2021 16:35:29
Reece James is playing very well at the moment. I hate the fact most liverpol fans think there is an agenda against liverpool. For as good as trent is going forward, we have all seen that defensively he is not the greatest.

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07 Nov 2021 21:07:49
Was trent playing centre mid today or was he just drifting in alot?

Also, has anyone thought about a potential offside for Ogbonna for the 1st goal? When the corner came in he was in an offside ppsition and although he didn't touch the ball, he must be considered to be interfering with play? Surprised no one has mentioned it and surprised VAR didn't take a look at that.

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