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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it


{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}

1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}

2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}

3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}

4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).

5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}

6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.

7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.

8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.

9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}

10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}

11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}



19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games


{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}

1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}

2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}

3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.

4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.

5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.

6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?

7.) Ilori imo.



06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?


1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year

2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange

3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year

4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.

5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.

6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.

7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.




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12 Aug 2020 00:49:57
I see Ricky van Wolfswinke scored for FC Basel earlier. Wasn't he a major transfer target for us a few years ago? Anyone follow his career since, how did he develop?


1.) 12 Aug 2020 06:43:08
it van winkled away.

2.) 12 Aug 2020 07:32:44
Seemingly had a serious brain operation earlier this season.

3.) 12 Aug 2020 07:38:12
Not good, he just isn't good enough for a good league, only scoring goals in the Eresdivise or Switzerland. He flopped in france and Spain after leaving Norwich.

4.) 12 Aug 2020 13:13:42
10 years ago. Pre FSG if I remember correctly. Roy Hodgson was the manager.

5.) 12 Aug 2020 16:04:00
That's correct MSG. I don't know if we were being linked with him or if it was just people on here asking if we had interest in him.

I think in the same transfer window, we were also linked with David Texeira (when he was at Groningen) and Luc Costagnios.



16 May 2020 05:54:12
Just watched a random highlight reel of Gerrard screamers online and wondered, Ed001 specifically, how would a Gerrard in his prime fit into our current squad, if at all? Do you think he would be a hindrance and a player Klopp would have gone for? All hypothetical of course but interested to hear people's thoughts.


{Ed001's Note - it depends on when in Gerrard's career you mean. If Klopp had got hold of Gerrard early and moulded him, then he would have been perfect. After Rafa allowed him to get ideas above his station and taught him to run less, he would not have fitted.}

1.) 16 May 2020 14:30:47
Ed001 which player from the past would you like to bring back and put into this current team please if you had the power. Where would he play and who would he replace and could you give reasons as well please mate. If you have time.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think there are any as the game has changed so much.}

2.) 16 May 2020 15:13:01
Ed001 totally understand with what you’re saying. Do you think Stevie or Souness could have done a job in our midfield.

{Ed001's Note - yes, easily if they were youngsters coming through now. Souness played in an era when cutting people in half with a tackle was good play. So he would have to play a completely different way, but I am sure he had the intelligence and talent to do so. Stevie similarly had the talent and footballing intelligence to adapt his game, but he needed to have Klopp early on, before he became the big star. If he had worked on the defensive side of the game, which Klopp demands players do, and played where he was told rather than where he wanted, then he would have become an even better player.}

3.) 16 May 2020 15:19:17
Ed001 Alan Hanson next to VVD!

{Ed001's Note - I love Hansen and he would have been good but it was a different era and he was a defender, not a midfielder at the back. So it is difficult to know if they can adapt and improve the team over players who have always played this way.}

4.) 16 May 2020 16:01:22
Ed001 cheers for the reply mate. Hope you are well.

{Ed001's Note - good thanks mate, hope all is well with you and yours too?}

5.) 17 May 2020 08:59:08
John Barnes.

6.) 17 May 2020 09:25:44
Mascherano would be a monster in this team. Monster masch you might say.

Him and Suarez. Ed1, everything else aside, I can't imagine another ex-liverpool player who'd be as perfect a fit for how we play. Fight, aggressive, press from front, creative. He'd be a firmino on steroids!



28 Jun 2019 22:33:14
Ed002, I think Mo might need a refund on that PR campaign! On another note, watch the UEFA short film on YouTube. Behind the scenes footage and shows some good bits. Robbo with the flag at the end with VVD.


1.) 28 Jun 2019 23:33:07
It was cool to actually hear what the ref was saying in that movie. He is a good ref. The production of that movie is class.

2.) 29 Jun 2019 10:25:17
Whats it called.



03 Jun 2019 20:16:30
My uncle in Liverpool does all the framing for the club and privately for the players. They popped into the shop on Sunday for some bits and they had old Big Ears with them, turns out they didn't want to leave it in the car! Needless to say, my uncle was made up, got some great snaps with it!


1.) 03 Jun 2019 20:40:40
Post the pics stuie 👍🏻.



25 Apr 2019 18:40:20
Big game in the FA youth cup tonight, Liverpool vc Man City. Seems the FA favoritism extends to City's youth teams as well judging by how the FA refused to change the match date! It's on BT sport by the way.


1.) 25 Apr 2019 19:32:29
Good luck to the lads. Anyone know how that midfielder is getting on. The lad we paid quite a lot for. Eastern European i think.

2.) 25 Apr 2019 20:38:05
Why is that favouritism? It’s on a certain day, play it then.

3.) 25 Apr 2019 20:45:06
1-0 to City at Half Time, it is a miracle we are only getting beat 1-0, if it was a boxing match the ref would of stopped it by now, city scored in 45th minute. We had one attack and it was cleared off the line. Just can't get the ball everyone out of position (michael owen commented during interval)

Big changes needed at half time, he has Glatzel playing left wing and Duncan right wing. Playing a diamond has not worked go back to basics or were dead ducks.

4.) 25 Apr 2019 21:33:01

5.) 25 Apr 2019 21:39:23
Was more tongue in cheek Firmane. But LFC requested the match day be changed as they were playing in Dallas in the Dallas cup and would have only returned 2 nights ago. The club had to come back early at "great expense" and had to field weakened teams for the remainder of the Dallas cup. They took it to the FA after asking City directly, both refused.

6.) 25 Apr 2019 21:40:16
Duncan just equalised with a rocket from 30 yards playing stoppage time 4 mins. Why hasn't Curtis Jones (17) and Hoever (17) who made his first team debut against Wolves not playing.

Extra Time to be played now 1-1.We have 2 subs available, city none.

7.) 25 Apr 2019 22:00:50
Still 1-1.another 15 mins to play then Pens.

8.) 25 Apr 2019 22:16:56
1-1 after extra time, now its penalties.

9.) 25 Apr 2019 22:30:21
Liverpool won on penalties after City not being aawrded stonewall penalty for handball in extra time.

10.) 25 Apr 2019 22:31:36
Congrats to the Lads, won on pens. Some decent penalties in there too.

11.) 25 Apr 2019 22:37:14
Well done to the young lads were getting battered in the first half but good coaching at half time to get them back in the game and we'll deserved win on penalties which by the way the penalties taken were all fantastic now let's hope that this could be a omen and just like the juniors the seniors can lift a trophy depriving man City of a trophy.

12.) 25 Apr 2019 22:45:17
Won it on penalties: well done.

13.) 25 Apr 2019 23:42:46
An omen 🏆.

14.) 26 Apr 2019 07:40:12
With you there Ron. 👌.

15.) 25 Apr 2019 22:43:24
And we're not dead ducks 007 - we've won the FA Youth cup.

16.) 26 Apr 2019 10:19:44
Think the club think Jones and Jana Hoever are too good for u18's already and i agree with them.

17.) 26 Apr 2019 16:26:43
I can't wait for duncan to break through into the senior team. I think he is going to be the next big home grown player. If he has a quarter of the passion his cousin had he will be a revelation.

18.) 26 Apr 2019 18:11:53
Liverpool snatch the trophy from Man city.
Well done boys I hope that some can graduate to the first team.

19.) 26 Apr 2019 18:13:58
Get in Paul Glatzel! Great effort from the kids tonight and the first of 3 trophies for Liverpool this season!




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21 May 2020 01:46:18
Hi Ed, great answers. It appears from the outside the PL is hesitant to make a decision for whatever reason. Didn't they just appoint a new Chief Exec? Would this not be an ideal time for a new leader to step up and make authoritative decisions on matters such as H&S and salary caps? I know you say countries are different around Europe, but why not make a statement and lead from the front, introduce it in the PL. For the 'best league' in the world, it seems like no one is prepared to take a leap, or is there just too many politics involved and too many/ much invested to take risks like that?


{Ed002's Note - He has no powers to do such things. The power is in the voting members.}



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30 Apr 2020 22:28:43
Surely any 5 a side needs Bobby in it?! Quick, skillful feet, he'd be amazing in closed spaces.




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24 Apr 2020 12:51:12
Thanks Ed002, much appreciated.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}



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24 Apr 2020 07:26:20
Thanks Ed excellent answer. So regarding the Arsenal/ Suarez situation, how much power does the player have in that situation, can the club just refuse and that is the end of it?


{Ed002's Note - The situation with Arsenal was that with Suarez desperate to leave the previous summer Liverpool had agreed that if any offer over £40M was made then Suarez would be allowed to move if he wanted to. This was not a buy out or release clause but what is now becoming more popular – a termination clause. At the time, the expectation was that Real Madrid would step in (which was what Suarez then wanted) with an offer but it was far too low for Liverpool to accept. Arsenal made the offer of £40M plus £1 as Guardiola was unsure whether it was “£40M and above” or “over £40M” – there was nothing wrong with that. At the time, as this was seemingly the only way out of Liverpool, Suarez was willing to accept this as a stepping stone to one of the major Spanish clubs, but the Liverpool board failed to honour the contract and blocked the move. Suarez's agents took legal advice and were set to argue that Arsenal matched the clause that allowed to leave and that they should allow the player to discuss the transfer with Arsenal as soon as is possible. They would then look to leverage this legal position to stop Liverpool blocking the transfer and were willing to use the £2M then due the player as an incentive in order to facilitate the transfer. Suarez would have moved to Arsenal given the opportunity and this is when he started his campaign against the club regarding broken promises etc.. That summer, Liverpool agreed that he would be able to leave the following summer, regardless – this was done to avoid any potential legal battle. By the following summer Barcelona were interested and that suited Suarez – better than Madrid he tells the Catalan media when they ask. If the matter had of gone to court there would be no doubt the move could have been forced. An appeal would have perhaps been considered by Liverpool but that would have potentially dragged on long enough to stop Suarez playing for anyone until it was resolved – and that could have had disastrous consequences for Liverpool.



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21 Apr 2020 21:34:21
Hi Ed's, been a very long while! Lock down here in NZ has given me a bit of time to catch up. Ed002, I read an interview recently with De Ligt of Juventus were he stated that Ronaldo convinced him to join when Portugal played the Netherlands. I also see Souness making noise about United possibly making an illegal approach to Sancho. My question is, does something like the a Ronaldo incident qualify as an illegal approach and if so, what steps can be taken to try and correct behavior like that, it almost seems impossible? Is it merely a case of whoever is responsible to make a severe example of a club or individual like Klopp to try and eradicate it?


{Ed002's Note - No, And I have dealt with this on many occasions.}




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12 Aug 2020 23:00:26
I'll take my chances with C.V. rather than Putin's "vaccine"!




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10 Aug 2020 23:28:52
Apparently we have been tracking him for a good few years, so it isn't a last minute impulse which is good to see.




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05 Aug 2020 11:34:53
Surely if they get the players to pay the agents fees they will just end up increasing the transfer fee to cover the cost. Strange days.


{Ed002's Note - The players don't get the transfer fee. You have missed something here.}



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26 Jul 2020 03:19:49
I disagree, Gerrard made it about himself because for most of his career he was dragging the team single handedly. Gerrard led by actions, whereas hendo pushes people. Unfair to compare them.




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25 May 2020 22:37:44
It was in an article on the BBC site, seems very harsh by the club if true.