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20 Dec 2016 22:34:35
The BBC are reporting that the Cameroonian fa can ask Fifa to suspend Matip domestically during the AFCON if he refuses to represent them. Never heard of this happening before has anyone else? What do we reckon are the chances of Fifa going along with it? Slim I hope.
{Ed002's Note - It has been asked on plenty of occasions for different competitions - but the FAs do not have powers like that (unless the player has been pretending to be injured) without a legal challenge.}
1.) 20 Dec 2016 22:52:45
Cheers ed merry Christmas.
2.) 21 Dec 2016 08:15:16
It's bizarre in my opinion. It should be an individuals choice who they play for, presumably there's no contract between matip and Cameroon. The punishment should simply be Cameroon decide he's never to be picked again.
3.) 21 Dec 2016 08:58:06
That basically is the punishment. Frankly I don't get why the international clubs care so much - if I was a manager (especially internationally) I'd never want to force or convince anyone to play for me. I'd much rather have XI on the field who were ecstatic to be there, proud of their call up and willing to give everything to win without thought.
Ed - has something happened with the Cameroon team in the past that has made players not want their call ups? Cause I've heard that several players including Nyom from Watford were making themselves unavailable not just Matip. It's a shame for international football so was just curious as to why it was focused on Cameroon seemingly.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
4.) 21 Dec 2016 10:27:39
I thought there was an history of failed payments to players due to disputes between Fecafoot and the Cameroon Sports Ministry. or at least I remember some headlines going back a few years where the players did not receive payments and refused to then play a match in Algeria.
{Ed002's Note - It is true of plenty of African sides.}
23 Jun 2016 08:09:01
Alright eds, any idea if any clubs have successfully employed a similar philosophy to moneyball in football? Watched a film on it the other day and thought it was quite interesting. Although to be fair it would be difficult to quantify the roles of some positions and analyse them statistically. Just thought it was an interesting idea and with it being used successfully by the Red Sox across the pond and our obvious connection with them. Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - it is a totally different thing, all clubs now employ statisticians and analysts to check the stats, but you can't pick players purely based on it. Though FC Midtjylland and Brentford are both now trying to do so, due to being owned by a man whose money was made through stats analysis.
The problem is that you can't boil football down to individual moments in quite the same way. At any moment what one player is doing is influenced by and influences the actions of the 21 others on the pitch. The variables are monstrous compared to baseball, plus there are less games to collect data from, leading to inconsistencies in that data.}
1.) 23 Jun 2016 08:41:11
IMO, all it takes is just a football guy seating down with statistician and programmer to model a statistical tool that xan capture a player' value accurately. Never say impossible.
{Ed001's Note - your opinion is flawed as usual. It is simply not that easy because of the huge amount of variables, which is why it has not been done yet. For starters you have to figure out a way to alter it to suit the tactics used by each team involved. That changes during the course of a game, and massively affects how a player will play. How do you model the changes during a game when a goal is scored? As that changes things massively.}
2.) 23 Jun 2016 09:01:39
Lee your post actually really annoys me considering I make real time basic economic simulations and you act like making a programme like the one you say would be easy! Really clueless!
3.) 23 Jun 2016 08:56:50
Unfortunately no model captures the non-technical skills like attitude, determination, desire, discipline, professionalism which at the highest level can be the difference.
4.) 23 Jun 2016 08:58:10
Football cannot be boiled down to stats, there's a million and one variables that affect performance at any given time, scouting will always be more important than stats in football as its the only way you can analyse not just what is happening with the player, but why.
5.) 23 Jun 2016 09:09:39
Statistics had Joe Allen as the best midfielder in Europe at one point but i don't remember Barcelona bashing on his door. Stuart Downing was one of the leaders in assists when we bought him and we all know what happened there.
6.) 23 Jun 2016 09:15:25
When a ref sends a player off, a player returning to fitness, a player out on the lash, a player just became a father, suffered a loss, new signings embedding into a team it's an endless list almost. Way too many variables to get anything worthwhile from I would say.
7.) 23 Jun 2016 08:56:58
Could in theory be done Ed but the main thing as you said is lack of quantifiable data. Baseball is much more rigid in how its played there are fewer variables. Stats are incredibly powerful though when used right and I have no problem with using them. For instance if you had enough data you could run a full time simulation of the world itself, data analysis is definitely important but in football can't be the only thing.
8.) 23 Jun 2016 09:31:17
Seems to be a misunderstanding of the difference between statistics and statistical analysis to make a model. there aren't people just sitting in a room going wow Joe Allen has 92%pass accuracy sign him now ha!
9.) 23 Jun 2016 10:10:55
Lee, making models is not easy! Like Shane I also create models regularly.
I've just finished a 1:35 scale Sherman Tank, and it took me at least 8 hours to build!
10.) 23 Jun 2016 10:20:10
Im sure they used more than just a pass accuracy stat to consider him one of the best midfieders, Shane.
11.) 23 Jun 2016 10:47:47
Obviously Annie fields that's my point though, if you watch some things on sky etc they put up pass accuracy pass completion stats from different players across leagues and then make observations. This leaves out key things that also need to be equated such as position on the field passes are played difficulty of the pass, time to complete the pass, space the receiving player is in, also passes that are good and into space and the receivers miscontrol or a defensive error from a pass can lead to statistical anomalies where an assist or loss of possession is wrongly credited. My point is and was there's a huge difference between commonly used statistics and statistical analysis when judging a player.
12.) 23 Jun 2016 11:06:06
MK that means on your own you can build a full life size model in 280 hrs - let me know how you are getting on in 2 weeks (as it's stats i don't expect you to sleep ;o) )!
13.) 23 Jun 2016 12:42:54
I actually think that a stats based, accurate analysis of a player could be possible. It's true there are huge numbers of variables to factor in but I would imagine some form of regressive analysis would work better in that it would enable a statistician (or hell an economist as this is what they do anyway) to separate the stats that matter from the ones that don't - and this would also include statistical data off the pitch i. e. players background, socio-economic background, education, etc etc as there will be a large number of these background factors that invariably affect success on the pitch. It would take a lot of time and a lot of trawling through data (as well as using previous statistical analysis available) but I do think it could be done. I don't think analysis of a football players on pitch statistics is anywhere near enough to give an overall picture though - they spend 90 minutes a week (sometimes 180) on the pitch and the rest of the time off it, that time is arguably more important and statistical data has to try make sense of that data as well. Stats relating to passing or tackling or shooting are far too narrow and tell us nothing about a players mentality or hunger or drive or any of these other things that matter.
14.) 23 Jun 2016 17:25:47
Way too many variables. For example, we sometimes forget about the off the field issues. Or what if a player moves to another country and is finding it hard to adjust? Way too many factors that dictate a players life which can in turn dictate their performance on the pitch.
19 May 2016 13:21:12
Well, I think it is clear after last night that Toure deserves a new contract. Doing the work of 2 players at the age of 35 can't be easy and yet he was still more effective than the rest of the team combined. I'd happily keep him and even make him Vice Captain to be honest. The reason he kept going when everyone else folded is because he's an actual winner, he was part of the invincibles and his mindset is completely different to the likes of Can and Coutinho, who are undoubtedly very talented, but have never tasted success or played under real pressure. We need more players on the pitch who show the passion and desire to win no matter what, to really get in the faces of the opposition. Sadly though, they're a dying breed these days.
Obviously, a new GK and LB also very important if we're to get anywhere and a bit more steel in midfield to cover when Henderson gets injured, and to be willing to get in the faces of the opposition, concede the foul when we are getting overrun in midfield, because let's face it, Milner shouldn't be anywhere near the middle of the pitch.
My choices would be, someone like Mattia Perin or Cillessen for goal. Both would be improvements and are still young enough to improve. For left back, it's tough, but it is clear we need someone more 'positionally aware' let's say. Don't really know who would be suitable for his position but I've heard Djibril Sidibe is supposedly a good up and coming defender. Although I've personally never seen him play so don't know where his strengths and weaknesses lie. Bertrand is also very good and would improve our team. Midfield is another difficult one. All the top midfielders would most probably be unattainable for a club who finished 8th in the league, so I would probably try and start one of Lucas or Stewart in midfield most games next season and then hopefully Stewart would kick on into a decent player for us. And be first choice ahead of Lucas by the end of next season. Obviously everything give said in this post is purely opinion and I don't expect any of it to happen, just thought I'd share my thoughts on where we could improve and how I would do it. All counter opinions are welcome lol, sorry for the long post.
22 Dec 2016 10:56:17
At the end of the day he was born and raised in Germany so he probably just doesn't feel that passionate about representing Cameroon. Can't blame him, especially with what African fa's are like with paying players late and stuff. Was it Cameroon who had to fly a plane of cash to the 2014 World Cup because they hadn't payed the players or something?
{Ed001's Note - didn't their women's team just have a sit-in at a hotel over not being paid?}
22 Dec 2016 11:16:20
I know, I was just pointing out what he meant by plays on the wrong side since you asked "How is Mahrez on the wrong side? ".
22 Dec 2016 10:59:28
You've just answered what he means by playing on the wrong side of the attack Harry. Coutinho plays on the left and Mahrez plays on the right.
20 Dec 2016 22:52:45
Cheers ed merry Christmas.
23 Jun 2016 07:29:30
Why bring Chilwell into it? Calling someone a nobody is just disrespectful and not needed. Everybody knows that player quality doesn't matter so much for Brazil, more marketability and how much money they can milk out of them. Grinds my gears how fans talk about players these days.
{Ed001's Note - not just that, but who know what Santos's mentality is like? Will he adapt to the English game? Whereas Chilwell is meant to have an excellent attitude and is already fully adjusted to the English game. I don't know why people are slagging him off, ignorance it seems, because he is extremely highly rated within the game and had the opportunity to join a number of Prem clubs this summer.}
22 Jun 2016 16:29:12
To be honest lads, I highly doubt it's a case of the TC handing a list to Klopp that he's had no input on and he chooses one, there will, I'd imagine be discussion about what he wants and who etc. He is on the committee after all.