09 Sep 2015 08:23:41
What's with the Milner bashing on here now what has he done wrong since he came. Is a huge upgrade on the inept Allen and as far as I am concerned has been the most consistent performer in the team whether he us similar or not all he can do is the job he is given. Him on the left of a 3 and hendo on the right it will turn out you will see. We need hendo back Caan is trying to hard at the mo and is giving the ball away too much he should be playing a holding role that is his strength not attacking looks cumbersome as best he us a beast at def mid.


1.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 08:35:09
No one is bashing Milner. He is a good player and ideal for a team who doesn't have Henderson and Can with them.
Allen and Milner are completely different players. Allen is the moulds of Xavi who loves to keep the ball and dictatte the tempo of the game ( unfortunately he couldn't ) Milner on the other hand is a B2B midfilder.

If you want to replace Allen, you should buy a player like Modric.

There are various CM in football, We needed one Zidane type or Xavi type.


2.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 08:56:09
For one can is not a b2b midfielder he is a def mid and Milner has played winger for most of his life, Allen couldn't dictate a Sunday league game. Get real we are never going to find the perfect Xavi or zidane there are only a handful of those players in the world and we are not rich enough or big enough anymore. All we can do is win games and to be honest Chelsea have played with similar players all over there team and they seem to do ok. It's more to do with tactical noise which Brenda does not have enough of to use them properly. As someone once said I dream of a team of carraghers and old Fowler up front.


3.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 09:14:14
Ivrman

I disagree there mate. Can is a midfielder who posses offensive attributes than his defensive attributes mainly positioning. Milner came to liverpool to play centrally and that's something we heard from his mouth and our manager.

Kovacic is one player very similar to the mould of Xavi and that's a real reality. ( just watch him and his style ) We were close to agree a deal and ran out of the money with pumping 33 mill for Benteke.

Chelsea played perfect system last season with Fabrigas as the CM and Matic as the DM. ( Fabregas is a completely differnt player to Milner/Can)

We played the perfect system with right players against West ham. Lucas-Milner-Can in the middle and was a complete failure.

BR is guilty of many things at the club but not always as you are trying to make out.

He wanted Kovacic and to me it makes perfect sense as We are crying out for creativity in the middle to an extent we are praising Shelvey these days.

For any manager, your CM is your vision, Your two eyes which you see the whole game. Paul Scholes is the best of best example.


4.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 09:33:29
Since when is can a beast of a dm??? He has only played in that position a handful of times he hasn't the disipline to play that role. I would play him instead of milner any day i'm not milner bashing as ye he is a hard working pro but we just didn't need to sign him as he is not needed and i believe hendo and can would work a lot better together. Milners signing to me is just holding can back he is ready to be starting games now if he's good enough to start for germany he has to be ready to start for us.


5.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 10:27:23
Does anyone else think we go completely over the top labelling players?

Players do certain things well and certain things not so well. Managers then choose where those attributes can be utilised most effectively for the benefit of the team. For the German team Can is most useful as a right back right now. For us he may be most useful as a DM. Another team may use his elsewhere. Doesn't necessarily mean he's being played out of position, just that's where they can add most benefit.


6.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 10:57:55
Muscat

Eeeeh. What exactly are you trying to say mate. His biggest weakness is his discipline and Positioning. How could he play a DM? He would need to learn the art and it would take time.

In my long long memmory only one player ever made it to both the position you are refering and its Philipp Lahm but unfortunately he was a quite poor in the middle.

A RB could go and become an offensive RB and then a RW ( Bale for example )
But full back to a midfielder? Impossible.


7.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 12:03:01
Harry, you're talking nonsense about FB turning to midfielders.

Lahm did it perfectly well!

Dare I say that Phil Neville also did the transition and was an influential midfielder during Everton's better (recent) years!


8.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 12:46:26
Good luck mate. Play him there. I have no complaints.


9.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 13:04:48
EG, I'm not talking about individuals, I think it's stupid how we shoehorn players in general.

A player isn't a DM, a CM (I hate the term B2B) an AM or anything else. They're someone with skills that can be utilised anywhere on the pitch. The question isn't where is their best position but where can they best be used for the benefit of the team?

If you want a player to do nothing other than break up play and shield the defence then Lucas is our best choice as a deep midfielder. If you want a player to launch passes from deep then it's Hendo. If you want a player to carry the ball forward from deep then Can's best. A player shouldn't be defined by a particular role but what he can contribute to a team from any given position.

To bring it back to the original post Milner is a player who does everything to a decent level. His best position may be wide but he certainly contributes in the middle and Rodger's thinks that no one else in the squad can perform the role that he's defined as well as Milner can and that's why he plays him there.


10.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 13:45:53
EG is right in pretty much very post in this thread. We needed a playmaker in CM, and we didn't get one.


11.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 14:14:25
Muscat

I could understand your point in general and to an extent its correct. But we do bash our manager when he plays a player in a position outside what we feel he is. ( Like Can played RB and we ripped BR for playing and someone above now would play him there )

We have good midfeilders but not the right midfielders.

We easily bash Allen who couldn't do a job at liverpool but then compare him to Milner who is completely different from the player Allen and the role he used to do at Swansea.

We should have got Kovacic by hook or crook who is the most typical Zidane/Xavi type player we needed. someone who sit alongside Lucas and dictate the game, Picks the player with fine passing and carry the ball extensievly well.

Untill Liverpool FC doesn't find next Alonso, We would continue to struggle.


12.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 17:34:43
Eg the trams for window is closed and youve been making the same point since we were first linked to Kovacic, give it a rest mate.


13.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 19:08:59
Took me a while to figure out 'trams for window'!


14.) 09 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 20:14:46
Milner was never needed, end of.


15.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 00:11:51
Do you not think we needed a bit more experience after losing Stevie? Without him you look at the squad and wonder where that level headed calmness might come from. With his experience he can really help the new and younger players come through. I agree that if you just look at ability then perhaps we didn't need him but sometimes it's about more than that.


16.) 10 Sep 2015
09 Sep 2015 22:18:31
Haha trams for widow stupid autocorrect


17.) 10 Sep 2015
10 Sep 2015 11:51:58
The fact is, Milner is the best right midfielder I the squad. He is not the best central midfielder.