21 Oct 2019 13:27:53
ed001 I thought yesterday was just one of them days first half I thought only Gini turned up and the team was just giving away sloppy balls. I don't think the International break did us and favours but probably did them to break things up and are flow that we was on. I was surprised Milner did not start after having not played for 2 weeks. I all so thought with Salah not playing it showed the level drop with Origi coning in yesterday.

1.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 13:57:51
I have said this before and I think yesterday just proved my point that it was a mistake by Klopp not to sell Origi in the summer and sign a better player. I think it will cost us a few points over the season just like it did yesterday! As we saw last season we just can’t afford to be losing points like that against poor teams!
This is just my opinion and will happily eat humble pie at the end of the season if proven wrong.

{Ed025's Note - you are correct imo wombats, a long term injury to one of the front 3 could seriously derail the liverpool express mate..

2.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 14:05:06
yeah I said the same in the summer about selling Origi ed025 don't think we will ever get a better price than we would then just because of all the bull about how good he had done because he scored a few goals.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes ok to come off the bench grino and provide a different alternative when things are not going so well, but not as a starter as he does not have the pace or skill of the other front 3 who work well in tandem and compliment each other so well mate..

3.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 14:49:01
ed025 I don't think he is if we had sold him in the summer and got some one better in would have been a lot better if we had got some one that same player in but kept Origi he would not come on so think we should of cashed in then.

{Ed025's Note - i know what you mean grino and your probably right mate..

4.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 15:15:54
I find it funny that each time we don't win and Origi plays, he is the scapegoat for some as to why we did not win. So again and true to form, Origi is now the scapegoat cos we did not win a game at OT where we did not play well as a whole team and had the ref's incompetence on their side? So let me ask this: Hadf we sold Origi and brought in someone (we still don't know who), would that have prevented us from playing poorly in the first half or prevented VAR from crapping itself and the ref being incompetent on one side of the ledger? I would like your answers.

As for injuries, City for ex., did not have KDB for one game and got smashed by Wolves (in their building) YET we're the ones that have depth issues? Again, not bothered w/ scapegoating as it proves nothing but pettiness, IMO.

Bottom line is we did not play well in a game where the opponent made it very difficult for us and threw us off our game. We dug deep, fought hard and got a point and could have been three. I'll take that and move on to the next game instead of scapegoating x player for the failures of the whole team.

5.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 15:17:17
We should cash in on Origi in the summer. He is on a long term contract and we can easily pick up 25-30 million pounds for him. We need someone closer to our front 3's quality coz an inconsistent super sub (Origi) and Shaq (who doesn't even fit Klopp's preferred 4-3-3 formation) will not cut the mustard for too long. I have a bad feeling we will fall short again in the title race bcoz of this.
Next summer, bringing in a CAM and a versatile quality forward is a must, not a luxury anymore.

6.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 17:10:02
Although I agree that we need cover for the front three Klopp has to take his share for yesterday. Tactically Utd s set up killed our flow. We needed to change our tactics much sooner or perhaps even before a ball was kicked.
What we knew pre match:

Utd were always going to set up to counter
All Utd players would play better than they usually do
Our wingbacks are both our strength and weakness.

Why not set up a 4-2-3-1 from the get go?

Origi could have played as line striker?

7.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 18:15:38
Impact sub, that's all Big Div is.

8.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 18:12:38
No one is making Origi a scapegoat and singling him out from the performance yesterday. Every player on the pitch was below par. But he has shown on more than one occasion he is just not good enough and had plenty of chances to hold a place on the team. In my opinion Brandt would have been an ideal replacement.

{Ed025's Note - of course no one is making him a scapegoat wombats, its just a view on how liverpool can improve as a squad by having better options up front, i think we all know that divock is not the answer as his strengths dont conform to the fast one touch interplay of the liverpool front 3, but it is all about opinions mate..

9.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 18:29:35
Name one player better than Origi that would be prepared to come and sit on the bench.

{Ed025's Note - no one should be prepared to sit on the bench thunderbird, they should be a player who is good enough to play in the first team and have the ability to force their way into the squad, that keeps them all on their toes and gives klopp the ability to rotate without compromising the strength of the team mate..

10.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 18:30:52
IB, people have been saying we should cash in on Origi for a whole year now YET he is still here. Could that be cos Klopp and a section of the fans love him and loves what he brings? Also, I find it utterly bonkers as to how people who want Origi gone, can go on and on about how we won the CL and got 1 point short of winning the PL with 97 points YET fail to acknowledge the HUGE part Origi played in making our dreams come true in one and almost come true in the other.

Each time we don't win, scapegoating commences regardless of who the player is. People saying we should get someone of a better class than Origi. Ok, fine. Is that not what we spent the whole summer trying to do and no club would sell their best talents to us cos they did not want to sit on the bench? Again, these arguments are illogical.

Origi had a bad game, so what? Were the others cruising or did majority of the team like Origi, not have bad games YET Origi is the scapegoat? As for people crowing for Salah, they seem to forget that Salah does not play well vs utd as they know how to play against him. So how are we sure he would have been the diff. maker? Again, it seems people are just interested in being right ) hence pick the parts that work for them) instead of making sound judgments based on the whole evidence available.

11.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 19:02:09
I agree RedWolf. Based on that logic we should get rid of Mane and Firmino too because they were both just as poor as Origi yesterday. Firmino was probably worse.
At the end of the day we drew a game away at old Trafford. It happens. I think we’ve just become so accustomed to winning that a draw feels like a defeat. It isn’t, it’s a draw get over it and stop trying to blame individual players when the whole team just didn’t function too well.
I think they took us by surprise initially but I also think that the officials didn’t give us a chance to get into the game. It’s hard to concentrate when the players and manager are constantly having a go at the officials for their blatant one sided decisions. At one point Ashley Young took a throw in at least 20 yards further forward from where it should be. Klopp was irate on the touch line but I think by that point the team had just accepted that the ref wasn’t playing fair and would allow Utd to do whatever they wanted.
Yes we should’ve played better but it really wasn’t a level playing field and to blame Origi for that is just ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - no one is blaming origi BP, we are opining the merits of having him as a replacement starter for one of the front 3, a lot of us dont think he has the quality to start a game as a replacement for sadio, bobby or mo, he is not fluid or mobile enough to do that so an injury to one of them means the team is a lot weaker and far less effective as an attacking force, you may think different and thats fine by me but dont be portraying it like its a witch hunt against divock mate..

12.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 20:52:07
Redwolf I think most of the team played well below there best but I don't think Origi did play that much below his standard that's the point. He scored some very important goals last season but he never plays to the anywhere near the level of the others and that's not a dig at him that's just his level. And if we had sold him at the end of the season, what a way to bow out for us. But as ed025 said he all ways needs the extra touch and slows the play down but that's because of the level he plays at compared to the others and yes we could have got some else in and kept Origi as well but then he would get no game time what would not be fair on him at all. Am sure there are teams that would suit him more than are style does.

13.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 20:00:42
Sorry Ed25 BUT you're back pedaling here. You are the one guy who says it is not a witch hunt against Origi YET are the same guy who has been witch-hunting on Origi since Origi ruined his derby days vs Everton not once, not twice and not even three times for years now. Oh, the irony is deafening. I called you out on your scapegoating in a separate thread so own it and stop shifting your view to suit your narrative.

Spot on, Beckers. The worst thing is that it is not just those on here scapegoating Origi. it is all over SM, man. It's frightening. Just a bunch of spoiled brats spitting their dummies out cos we did not walk a game that historically, we NEVER walk if you ask me.

As for Orig, he offers things that the other in the front three don't. He is big, strong, fast and has good footwork for such a big guy. He is not better than his front three mates BUT he does not need to be better in order to still be very effective cos offer something different. It is that "something different" that has kept him here and made him an LFC legend after his heroics not just in the CL BUT in the PL cos mark my words, we don't stand a chance of the PL last season w/ o him so let's get those facts out, right there. But let's ignore all those great contributions and scapegoat him cos he had a bad game vs utd. Pathetic, really.

People saying he is not up to the level of the three amigos may be true BUT then who is? We tried to sign better players BUT no one would sell them to us to sit on the bench. Is that Origi's fault as well? Origi had a bad game. Get over it and get over yourselves, really cos he is here to stay and will play/ start more games this season.

{Ed025's Note - you really are opinionated and if you were a mars bar would eat yourself redwolf, its only in your mind that origi is a legend mate and you cant admit you were wrong about him, you are becoming a bit nasty with this thread and trying to ram things down peoples throats so i will respectfully ask you to calm down, posters have been banned for less but thats not my style so you need to have a think about your style of penmanship and your tone to posters who have a differing opinion to you, consider this as constructive criticism as i think at times you have a lot to offer the site, but there is a line and you are treading very close to it my friend..peace..

14.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 20:33:36
The one I want to see keep getting minutes is Harvey Elliot. Too early to say how good he will be but he did look very sharp and bright when he’s played so far this season. Bit of a shame he was banned for this match for being a young div.

{Ed025's Note - love it taurus..

15.) 21 Oct 2019
21 Oct 2019 22:09:30
Saying Origi isn't good enough if Salah or Mane are AWOL and we should've replaced him with a better player is all well and good, but who should we have bought? Who was going to be a guaranteed (in so far as anything can be guaranteed in footy) upgrade on him, and would've come knowing he was going to sit on the bench more often than not? And wouldn't have cost an absolute fortune for a backup player to boot?

We were linked with Nicolas Pepe, let's look at him. £70m and he looks really uncomfortable in the Prem, despite playing most of Arsenal's games. Imagine the state the poor bloke would be in if he'd joined us and only started his 3rd or 4th game at the weekend. Don't think he'd have done anything more for us than Divock.

16.) 22 Oct 2019
22 Oct 2019 00:00:59
Something-Red, that is the question that no one seems to be able to answer. As for Pepe, he is getting raked over the coals at Arsenal right now, which goes to show you that just bring in a new player will not automatically solve things. Only time will tell if he makes the cut. On to Genk.

17.) 22 Oct 2019
22 Oct 2019 07:03:48
The fact Klopp wanted to replace to Origi has made all of Redwolfs arguments nonsense! After seeing the players Klopp has bought so far I would back him 100% to have signed a better player.
It’s not hatred against the player it’s only an opinion and it’s just pathetic having a dig at Ed0025 because he doesn’t agree.

{Ed047's Note - couldn’t agree more, Origi is band average and I was amazed he got a new contract.

18.) 22 Oct 2019
22 Oct 2019 08:24:52
Ed’s 025 so because some one has the balls was to say it as it is he is threatened with being banned! What is this page called LFC banter some times the truth hurts Edds take it on the chin (not that chin the one below) and crack on with it you have your opinion redwolf has his opinion and I believe it is up to the the people who visit this site to make decisions on weather they like a post or not so come on mate no more threats it is below you blue nose.

{Ed025's Note - that was not a threat albey it was a direction to be more understanding and tolerant of other peoples views, i dont think you know how a moderator works mate..

19.) 22 Oct 2019
22 Oct 2019 10:49:07
So now your a teacher Ed 25 ? If you don’t like people’s opinion then why do this job . If you were a mars bar I think you would eat your self to as your very opinionated buddy so making people react is part of the forum bud I no I did not take offence to redwolfs post did any one else complain? Being in a position of power like you are a bit more thought and a little less anger will go a long way buddy and more people will laugh with you not against you or am I being to opinionated to Ed 25.

{Ed025's Note - not opinionated albey...more uneducated, you dont understand how it works im afraid my friend, i could sit here all day and try to explain it to you but to be honest i just cant be arsed..