23 Apr 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Fulham v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective
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22 Apr 2024 21:43:41
ED01 - how important do you think the name is, of who we appoint next? Klopp had that special aura about him and was a known quantity. How much do players join because of the club itself or due to who the manager is? I'm sure we could give a less known manager like Arne Slot a chance and we'd still be able to attract top players. Although, I genuinely believe we have the players to do well after Klopp has gone.
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{Ed001's Note - the name is irrelevant, I know some players joined because of Klopp, but that was because he sold the club to them, not because of his name. Those same players would not have joined Klopp at say Forest or West Ham.}
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23 Apr 2024 06:54:49
It reinforces the original post then, Klopp has a bigger pull than any other the other candidates. We’re finished.
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{Ed025's Note - its the end of the world as we know it.. :)
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23 Apr 2024 07:39:02
FSG hit a jackpot with klopp and that won't be the case again. Edwards and Hughes are scrapping the barrel at the moment. The Name is relevant to me becasue Hodgson and Rodgers got jack arsenal while they were here.
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23 Apr 2024 08:02:11
If the name is Southgate then it’s important. But in a worrying way.
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{Ed025's Note - personally i think he would be a great choice JK.. :)
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22 Apr 2024 18:56:31
I'd go for Slot
Absolute machine.
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{Ed025's Note - love it mate..
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22 Apr 2024 19:38:33
Not sure he’s worth the gamble personally.
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22 Apr 2024 19:41:30
We'll have hit the Jackpot if we go for Slot.
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{Ed025's Note - nice one Taurus...i hope he gets the job just for the jokes mate.. :)
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22 Apr 2024 19:44:57
Haha brilliant gents.
I think we’ve hit the jackpot with this one.
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22 Apr 2024 19:53:21
I’d press hold on this one.
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22 Apr 2024 19:55:59
Taurus you beat me to the punch there mate.
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22 Apr 2024 20:23:28
There'll be some japes about his name if he does sign.
Aaaah, metal slots and some strimmer wire. Nudge nudge wink wink, I've got a pocketful of pretty green.
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22 Apr 2024 20:29:16
Imagine if we got Slot and Toney. That would be a match made in Vegas.
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22 Apr 2024 21:19:08
Would be we have to sign sterling and cash.
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{Ed025's Note - and with Gravenbirch...that would be 3 lemons in a row JK.. :)
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22 Apr 2024 21:23:17
Arne will be back.
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{Ed025's Note - good stuff Ron..
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22 Apr 2024 21:39:02
Time to hold your plumbs lads it looks like we're in bandit country.
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22 Apr 2024 21:49:48
I think Arne will Slot right in at Liverpool.
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23 Apr 2024 01:23:43
Surely with Slot sterling and cash we’d finally be able to afford Mbappe and to clone prime Dalglish.
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23 Apr 2024 06:59:33
Good choice imo, Slot would fit right in.
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23 Apr 2024 07:32:49
Going backwards if we do get slot. lol might as well just get back Rodger’s or Rafa. 🤣 be back to a medicore team.
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22 Apr 2024 18:25:37
In defence of Nunez, the team have been taking one too many touches of the ball. Nunez is on his way and is caught offside because one pass or one touch too many has put him in the position of being offside. We do not play the lad correctly, we do not use his pace to his advantage.
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22 Apr 2024 18:52:59
Remember the roy Keane quote about haalands all round game being that of a league 2 players? It's like Nunez is the opposite.
He's strong, fast, can dribble well and has bags of strength and stamina but his shooting and general play in the final third is worse than league 2 standard.
You should at least be hitting the target or making a pass as a principal and I don't think mentally you can teach composure you either have it or you don't.
Not knocking the guy he works tremendously hard and is a loveable bloke but if we want to be winning premier leagues and big cups he can't be relied on.
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22 Apr 2024 19:30:20
Three paragraphs criticizing Nunez then saying not knocking the guy, brilliant 😂.
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22 Apr 2024 19:19:41
I like Nunez but he’s more bullet proof than a Kevlar vest.
Yes not every time he’s offside might not be his fault but he has to take some accountability as well.
Yesterday one of his offsides was from Sakah’s first time touch pass so you can’t get any quicker ball release than that.
The other forwards manage to time their runs regardless of how quick we’re playing it.
Nunez has been offside 41 times this season with the next highest being Salah at 18 and Diaz at 17.
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22 Apr 2024 19:43:00
Salah not Sakah. Bloody phone.
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22 Apr 2024 20:16:03
I think you’ll find JK that Nunez had made the run to take the pass before the ball went to Salah. The fact that the ball went via Salah and not directly through to Nunez meant he’d run offside.
I think in general we’ve started to take too many touches as if no one wants to take risks with the ball. It normally means that everything closes up in front of the player with the ball and he has to go sideways or backwards to keep possession.
If we started popping it around at pace then Nunez wouldn’t be offside half as much. He’ll always get caught offside occasionally because he likes to run in behind but we need to be much quicker in all aspects of our play to get the best out of him.
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22 Apr 2024 20:38:51
Well I’m glad that’s been cleared up. 41 times it’s been the passers fault.
I’m probably going to stop going to live matches now and wait to be told with “I think you’ll find” on here to bring me fully up to speed.
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22 Apr 2024 20:44:52
Sometimes it might be too many passes. Sometimes it's because his timing is off. Sometimes it's because he's looking right across the line but still runs offside despite being faster than 99% of defenders. I remember people saying he was very raw when he came. He's still v raw now unfortunately. Its frustrating because when he came on against Newcastle and scored those 2 clinical goals I thought yes here we go. But it hasn't really happened unfortunately. I love his enthusiasm, his fight and how unpredictable he is but he needs to score more for the amount of good chances he gets it's as simple as that.
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22 Apr 2024 20:45:38
I agree, our all round play is slow, way too slow. Too much sideways and backwards, it’s painful to watch sometimes and so boring.
It is something that has been going on all season but we are now at the business end of the season and don’t seem to be able to shift up two gears when needed.
Luckily Fulham were on their holidays yesterday. Everton will be a cauldron and I hope we’re ready.
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22 Apr 2024 21:44:01
All great forwards go through periods of gobbling up lots of chances. Difference with Nunez is it is not the exception, but the rule. Even when the likes of Haaland, Salah, or prime Mane have missed chances, you can usually see what they were trying to do. Nunez doesn't have a clue.
You can argue that this doesn't matter due to the net benefit he brings to the team, but we are starting to see there is only so far you can persist with that type of player. For all that he brings to our play, his incompetence in front of goal is mentally damaging to our own players and lifts the oppositions. It has now become 'a thing'. Nunez begins to miss one or two sitters and everybody's heads go, players and fans alike.
I don't think that is something that everyone else needs to change, it is on him to stop burning everybody's heads out. I feel that he gives encouragement to the opposition and has become detrimental to the confidence and momentum of our team. He makes it almost impossible to control football matches and I think the very least that he needs is a spell coming off the bench. In the longer term, I am not sure he can be relied upon to lead the line for a top side.
Almost two years here and he hasn't had one single commanding, dominant performance where everything goes well for him. Just splitters and false starts, a late goal here, an assist there. For as much as he puts himself about, I just don't feel it is enough.
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22 Apr 2024 22:00:28
Hit a nerve JK?
I think you’ll find that I did say he will get caught offside anyway because he likes to run in behind. Any player that plays on the shoulder of the last defender is bound to be caught offside more than a player who comes deep. It’s logical.
We do pass the ball slowly, anyone with any sense can see that. That doesn’t mean and nor did I suggest that it’s the passers fault every time.
Why can’t it just be a bit of both rather than just hammering the lad every time he gets caught offside? In the instance you mentioned there was a straight pass on to Nunez so he makes the run but the ball is played to Salah first who then plays it first time but by this time he’s run offside. I was just correcting your obvious misjudgement of the situation.
He’s not perfect by any stretch but there are way too many fans these days that choose to focus on any negative aspect of a player rather than looking at his positive attributes. It’s the world we live in unfortunately.
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22 Apr 2024 22:48:09
Not at all.
I’ve hardly hammered him. I regularly praise the lad as well as the rest of the players.
You always seem to be correcting people on here.
“I was just correcting your obvious misjudgement of the situation” I doubt you could get any more condescending if you tried.
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23 Apr 2024 00:33:26
Just being honest about his game but the Nunez fan club seems any criticism of his game a vendetta. Nunez is fine if we want to compete with spurs and co for top four to win the league we need better.
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23 Apr 2024 03:19:58
I think if we are being honest with ourselves then we can admit that Nunez is a very good player, but he isn’t a world class player and will likely never be. He isn’t composed enough, nor deadly enough, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be an effective player for us - simply means we need to play a system and players that spreads the goals around (which we do to be fair) .
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22 Apr 2024 08:08:46
Cody Gapko showed his best form of all the time yesterday. He has been at the club playing in the position, that is where he should be playing. Diaz is able to move in the middle at will and not stuck out wide. Jotta is the predator.
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22 Apr 2024 10:25:46
I think Gakpo has looked a lot better the last few games. Seems quite confident on the ball and is taking players on.
Diaz ability to run with the ball and take players on is brilliant its just I'd love to see more end product.
Jota looked like a player returning from injury yesterday who hasn't played a lot of football and was quite sloppy but took his goal well.
Salah and Nunez seem to both be struggling with how we know they can play. I'm hoping both will ride the storm out and finish the season strong.
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22 Apr 2024 10:27:34
I thought gakpo has been doing decent of late. in a lot of poor team performances and poor individual performances i thought he not bad.
I quite like him as a player anyway and I thought he should've been starting more often recently.
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22 Apr 2024 10:47:37
Seems rare for Salah, Nunez, Gakpo, Diaz, Jota to be all playing well at the same time. Its Salah and Nunez’s turn to be misfiring right now while Gakpo is back.
If all 5 could find form we would be unstoppable.
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22 Apr 2024 12:48:48
Gakpo plays his best football on the left of a 3. However still has to offer much more.
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22 Apr 2024 13:56:40
Gakpo played really well yesterday, but Diaz is totally wasted on the right, didn't think he had a good game at all. If Salah can find form for the rest of the season, i'd be tempted to have Gakpo, Jota and Salah up front, Diaz and Nunez coming off the bench to stretch tired defences.
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22 Apr 2024 16:52:01
Gakpo is a true baller and I've been saying it. Forget the nos. and all that and just watch him play. His spead of thought, touch, turn and physicality and pace with the ball at his feet are phenomenal. He is young and will struggle for form BUT he abilities are not in doubt, IMO.
Also, him playing in the actual position he knows how to play and thrived in from his PSV years also helps a lot. What we also found out yesterday was Diaz can play on either side as well as he was very good on the right, as well. Really happy for Cody cos he is such a good guy off the pitch.
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22 Apr 2024 16:49:20
Said it on a different post but our attack is so much better without Nunez and arguably Salah. Every shot was on target which is a basic premier league requirement, Nunez comes on rush of blood to the head, spoons it wide and gets caught offside. He needs to go.
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22 Apr 2024 16:59:41
I personally think Gakpo has been putting more effort in which everyone seems to appreciate. I still don't think he's very good, his final ball, shot is still pretty awful. How many shots does he take from positions where he should pass, and usually he scuffs the shot.
He's definitely looking better on the ball, but yeah I'm still not hugely sold on him.
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{Ed025's Note - i think hes awful as well Dean..
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22 Apr 2024 18:30:14
Gakpo's 25 in a few weeks; I don't consider that young. The jury's still out for me, along with Nunez.
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22 Apr 2024 18:49:22
But he's been played out of position ed he's a left winger.
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{Ed025's Note - i just dont think he gets involved enough Amorin, he flits in and out of games for me and looks like a bit of a klutz at times, a decent enough squad player i suppose but never a starter for me mate, just my opinion of course..
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23 Apr 2024 06:53:46
Definitely worth keeping as a squad player. Infinitely better than the players we used to have coming off the bench. I think he’s scored more goals than Everton’s whole front line, not bad for your 5th choice forward 😂😂.
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{Ed001's Note - to be fair that is not a high bar. I do agree with you, Gakpo is defo worth keeping, he can push for a first team place at the very worst, which is what you want. Added to his ability to play multiple positions, it would be crazy to let him go. There are so many other players that should be in far more danger for their Liverpool futures than him right now.}
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22 Apr 2024 08:00:36
Scout note - Liked the look of Traore of Wolves last night, great hair, lovely long legs. But seriously, looked a tidy player and in a position we need, as does Nouri. They seem to find a few gems at Wolves along with Hwang Neto Cunha.
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22 Apr 2024 09:13:01
Can’t be finding too many gems tho as I can’t think of too many of their players that moved to bigger clubs and been successful so far.
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22 Apr 2024 09:21:46
Can Nouri play wither wingback position? tidy player that.
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22 Apr 2024 09:58:34
Ait Nouri is a quality left back. We should be considering him.
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22 Apr 2024 07:59:18
Why would we want Arne Slot as manager? Look at Man Utd and their dutch manager who won titles and cups at Ajax, but is poor in the Premier League. Don't touch him please LFC.
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22 Apr 2024 08:32:08
Who said we want Arne to Slot in at LFC, exactly?
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22 Apr 2024 08:43:16
Just because they are both from the Dutch league doesn't mean they woulld be the same.
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22 Apr 2024 08:54:25
Van Dijk is Dutch.
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22 Apr 2024 09:18:03
Just because ten Hag is a failure doesn’t mean every Dutch manager is the same, slightly xenophobic outlook there. He’s a far better option than the likes of Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Postecoglu, Frank, Zidane and washed up has beens like Mourinho. I’d assume he’d be an option as an alternative to Amorim.
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22 Apr 2024 09:22:30
I've not seen Slot mentioned anywhere online except for here by ed2.
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22 Apr 2024 09:57:58
I’ve seen him mentioned in relation to us, Faith. I’d recommend looking him up. He seems like a coach with good ideas, he comes across really well and is a good communicator, I’d also say that whereas ten Hag is a complete personality vacuum, Slot is the opposite, he comes across as good humoured, charismatic and not afraid to say what he thinks (speaks perfect English too btw), Ed002 says he’s highly rated and we’d do well to consider him. If Alonso and Amorim aren’t possible then Slot has to be considered as beyond him there’s no one else.
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22 Apr 2024 10:06:28
Its safe to say that whoever comes in after Klopp is going to be a gamble and have big shoes to fill.
I'd imagine anyone in any career who has been extremely successful in a position for 9 years is going to be hard to replace.
Whether we get a league winning manager from Holland or Portugal i think it would be a similar risk. There's even managers out there who have won leagues in Spain we probably wouldn't want.
Whoever comes in will need time and patience. Not sure Salah and VVD have that on their sides mind as players where the rest of the squad do.
As much as i hope we will hit the ground running and be challenging for titles next season it will still be a tough task.
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22 Apr 2024 10:29:08
What I would say is Arne Slot is a decade younger than EtH and did it at a team where winning is actually impressive. EtH winning with Ajax at the time when they had the strongest squad by a country mile is akin to Gerrard and Rodgers winning in Scotland. It means nothing. Slot winning with Feynoord is mightily impressive and he also was joint top with AZ Alkmaar the year the league was abandoned because of C.V. with less than 10 games to play. His record and achievements are every bit as impressive as Ruben Amorim, in terms of getting a team competing above their expectations.
In my opinion, the level of the best teams in a league isn’t really relevant with regards to managers as it’s all relative anyway. What’s more relevant is how competitive the league is, and if they got a team not expected to succeed, actually succeeding. Slot and Amorim both have done that. Alonso has done that at Leverkusen. Hell, even De Zerbi has arguably over achieved (to a lesser extent) by getting Brighton into Europe. What did EtH achieve that a dozen managers hadn’t done before him at Ajax in the last 20-30 years? The answer is nothing and that is why he was a mistake. Not because he’s Dutch.
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22 Apr 2024 10:33:02
Agree JK, Klopp leaves a huge void, whoever comes in doesn’t have an easy job and it is a gamble, but at the same time it should be a calculated gamble looking at the variables, has the candidate experience of taking a team to a title and building a title winning side, what is the style of play and is it compatible with the ethos of the club, do they have the charisma and confidence to lead the club and the players and build a relationship with the fans, how did they do in their most recent post? We certainly don’t want someone who is just about getting by in mid table (Frank/ De Zerbi), or a manager who’s been sacked for failure in their last managerial post (Kovac, Tuchel, Potter) or someone who has absolutely zero compatibility with the club (all of the above, plus Zidane, Mourinho and Postecoglu) .
Can’t see past Alonso, Amorim or Slot to be honest. And Alonso is a straight no, Amorim is beginning to look like a no, so we’re left with Slot.
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22 Apr 2024 11:09:17
Why list people who don’t want the job?
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22 Apr 2024 11:31:15
They’re the ones we’re linked with WDW (randomly, Mourinho is suddenly being linked just because he was in attendance at the Fulham game) . I’ve said that Alonso is a non starter (he has literally said no he’s not interested), and Amorim is now seemingly a likely non starter, so of those managers linked to us, Slot is the best option of managers likely to be on the move this summer.
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22 Apr 2024 11:45:55
VV - not making an opinion on Slot either way, was just meaning that I haven't really seen his name mentioned alongside others in press. Only place I'd seen him mentioned was in a couple of ed2 replies.
MK makes a good point about the strength of a league being a small factor. Like if a manager took the bottom placed team of any league and won it the next year or two, that would be impressive in any league. does that mean they can step in and replace Klopp? No, not on that alone as the job is more than just coaching the team.
Anyways, I've not been following the news really about the manager hunt, perhaps that's why I haven't seen Slot's name mentioned lol. Why is Amorim turning into a no?
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22 Apr 2024 12:00:50
VV, Mou was at the Fulham game cos I think his son was or still is in their youth system, if Im not mistaken.
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{Ed002's Note - That is not the reason he was there.}
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22 Apr 2024 12:43:29
Didn't Steve mclaren win the league with az when he was speaking del trotter-esq Dutch in his interview?
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{Ed025's Note - i remember that gmil, i was embarrassed for him mate and could not believe my ears...pure gold that.. :)
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22 Apr 2024 14:34:21
It was Twente, gmil, but yeah he did win it. McClaren was a good coach/ manager from 2000-2010. Did a good job working under Fergie at United, did a very good job at Middlesbrough to earn him the England gig, then came back to club football and did a great job at Twente winning the first league title in their history. That decade, the only blot on his copybook was the England job which everyone seemed to fail at in his defence. I think the game moved past him after his first stint at Twente though and now he's just scratching around under EtH building up his retirement fund to be honest. Hard to know why he completely lost his edge. Maybe the horrors of the England job weighed heavy on him. The Dutch accent though is legendary. What was he thinking there?!
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22 Apr 2024 14:40:55
Has to be one of the most cringy things i've ever seen ed25 ha ha, i don't think he even knew what he was thinking mk.
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{Ed025's Note - i laughed my head off gmil, one of the funniest moments in sport ever.. :)
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22 Apr 2024 15:40:52
By this logic we shouldn't have appointed Klopp because Felix Magath flopped in the Premier League. I swear people don't have brains anymore.
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22 Apr 2024 15:43:48
@ Faithinworks - Slot is 2nd favourite with bookies after Amorim apparently.
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22 Apr 2024 16:41:25
That McClaren Dutch accent was Partridgesque.
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22 Apr 2024 16:45:32
Pretty sure someone said Amorim was 90% done and that was a few weeks ago 🤔.
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22 Apr 2024 16:49:15
I think someone just misinterpreted a quote from KK who apparently said if we do get Amorim there ‘are neh slots’ left to fill! 😂.
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22 Apr 2024 17:09:48
For oilred, slot is second fav for the lfc position with bookies you are a plonker lad get you facts right before you jump in and stop making a fool of your self fella.
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22 Apr 2024 20:39:44
@TIR, that’s true. I had somebody on here telling me everybody knew Amorim had got the job. He challenged me to bet money on it when I said I’d wait for the club’s announcement.
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22 Apr 2024 21:25:44
Juande Ramos was rubbish so why would we want Alonso who is also Spanish?
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