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20 Oct 2019 23:51:39
I’ve replied to a couple of posts about the officiating today but wanted to make my own thread because I want to know if anyone else is feeling like I am.
Long story short I’m sick of it. I can take a ref missing a foul or handball or a linesman missing an offside it’s happened since football began and is part of the game.

What I can’t take is 4 people being paid to review decisions in slow motion at a number of different angles and still get it wrong. I’m not just talking about our game today, look at Spurs yesterday and countless decisions so far this season.
Wasn’t VAR supposed to give us a better quality of officiating? Isn’t that why we put up with the breaks in play and the awkward minute after every goal to see if we can celebrate or not?

It’s such a shame that at a point in time when the team I’ve loved since I was born in the 70’s is finally back to challenge at the top of the European game they are ruining the game with VAR. Don’t get me wrong it’s not the idea that’s bad it’s the imbeciles that run it.

I’m seriously at the point of turning my back on the Premier League and just supporting a local team because this just isn’t football anymore.

{Ed033's Note - You mean it's not cricket. :)

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21 Oct 2019 00:40:42
I cannot stand VAR and what it does to the game of football but there were no errors made by the video ref. The onfield moron in the black was the one who messed a lot of decisions up. Awful refereeing.

21 Oct 2019 02:36:06
So surprised they didn't chalk off the goal lfc scored the way this officiating was going. Awful desicion by the refs clearly all in favour of man Utd. At the end of the day what is to be must be if we will win tje league it will hapoen never stop believing Ynwa.

21 Oct 2019 04:06:30
As has been alluded to before the VAR is used to back up the incompetency of the on field officials rather than make any actual meaningful change. Before the game ended I said to my friend something very similar to what Klopp said in his post match interview that VAR is good for factual, provable stuff (handballs, offside) but never seems to do anything about refereeing decisions except support them. We can't complain too much, as we have benefited from such calls as well (the Leicester penalty an example of a 50/ 50 decision going our way because the ref gave the penalty at first - I'm sure if he didn't give it initially VAR wouldn't of overturned it), but the VAR does feel like it is being used to support poor officiating, rather than to actually correct it.

21 Oct 2019 04:49:50
The problem with VAR is it’s becoming more and more common to play on with the view that VAR will go back and review if necessary (as with the foul on Origi) however the VAR ‘clear and obvious error’ means it’s almost impossible to overrule the referees original decision.

That means, than in effect where the ref would very likely have given a foul previously, the attacking team now gets the opportunity to play on and score instead.

There are also many times where offside is not being flagged (as they’ve been told not to do when it’s close call), it goes out for a corner and the attacking side gets another scoring chance whereas in the past the linesman would have flagged at least 70% of the time.

This has happened in Liverpool’s favour too, so it’s not about being for or against any team, it just seems clear to me that in certain situations the tendency to play on and let VAR check for mistakes later is creating very different outcomes and can work heavily against one team or the other due to the way it’s being used.

21 Oct 2019 05:49:20
Even forgetting VAR for one moment here’s one example of the sheer incompetence at times of the officials.

Fabinho booked for a tackle from behind. Less than two minutes later Rojo takes Fabinho out in a similar fashion and no booking.

The lack of consistency is ridiculous at times.

21 Oct 2019 07:15:04
I didn't think the ref was that bad. He made a mistake on the foul leading to their goal and as you say a booking not long after Fabinho. The VAR issue is frustrating, not just to Liverpool fans but to most fans. Its confusing and irritating, which I'm pretty sure its not what it's meant to be.
The bigger issue for me is why we where so flat? The fear of going to OT and our poor record there? Again we didn't get going, shame really.

21 Oct 2019 08:30:05
More than a shame Irish. The VAR and ref debate is not that important to me, just papering over the issues. The real debate as you say is why do we not turn up at OT. Firmino has played 6 times at OT and been below par in all of them. Robbo and Fabs both froze. Hendo and Gini were exposed in the sense that Man U matched or bettered their work rate and then there is very little left. Milner not playing was a terrible decision from Klopp, he learn't nothing from our last visit to OT. Get Milner in midfield they would't bully him. Gini and Hendo just played 2 internationals.

We spent the first half hoofing the ball from back to front. Until the last 15 minutes we never put 5 passes together. It will be really interesting to see who Klopp picks to start agains't Spurs.

21 Oct 2019 08:19:10
I think you watched a different game then Irish. The ref even stopped the games for James injury when Liverpool had the ball but played on when he had a head injury and Utd had the ball.

{Ed025's Note - that did happen denzil, but irish was right when he said liverpool were flat from the start, you can blame the ref all you want and yes he was awful, but you cant get away from the fact liverpool never turned up mate..

21 Oct 2019 08:42:53
The problem with VAR is two-fold (and exactly as JK pointed out post-game) . When certain incidents occur in games referees are now thinking "VAR will pull it back if I've made an obvious error. " so they don't follow their immediate feeling to award a free-kick, penalty, card or whatever but the bar has been set so high by the premiership for instances of "obvious errors" that the video officials tend not to overrule or recommend an overrule. What is worse they have made absolutely zero use of pitch-side monitors even though they're available. Yesterday, they merely had to recommend that Martin Atkinson look at the foul in the Man United goal build-up at the pitch-side monitor. If he then awarded a goal we immediately know he didn't feel the kick in the shin was sufficient and we live (and moan) with the decision BUT right now it feels like they are avoiding making decisions which actually defeats the purpose of the introduction of VAR in the first place.

{Ed025's Note - its an absolute joke reynard, for me it should be suspended until they figure out a way to implement it properly mate..

21 Oct 2019 08:43:52
There were 3 occasions Wassa when Utd players cynically stopped attacks exactly as Fabinho did yet no yellow cards.
Also I’ll tell you what, Mane’s goal was handball and VAR got that right. However, had it been Lindelof that handled the ball and the ref not give a pen you can guarantee that VAR wouldn’t have overruled it.
It seems it only works for handballs and offsides IF a goal is scored. I go back to City’s goal against Spurs when Laporte was adjudged to have handballed it in the build up. The guy jumped for a header and it flicked off his arm! Never a handball and would never be given against the defending team.
VAR was supposed to clear up the officiating in the game and give us correct decisions more often but for me it’s had the opposite effect. I have never felt so cheated in all the time I’ve been watching or playing football.

21 Oct 2019 09:51:36
I couldn't agree more Ed025 mate. Ed001 has been banging on about the obvious problems with it for quite some time but I must admit I was baffled they introduced it without sufficient thought for how it might influence the referee and pitch-side officials, let alone how they might proceed to overrule. There is no proper guidance on when to overrule and when not, "Setting the bar high" is not a protocol, it's an excuse and has made a sham of the introduction of VAR.

{Ed025's Note - your dead right reynard, referees are becoming complacent thinking that VAR will bale them out if they make a mistake, all its doing though is compounding the fact that the standard of refereeing is abysmal and relegation as well as winning championships will be decided in a studio rather than on the pitch, suspend it until they get it right i say as its ruining the game mate..

21 Oct 2019 10:13:08
Ed25 I agree. The one I feel sorry for is the watford fans. They really needed those points and they where robbed by a bad ref call and VAR.

3 points for them could seem them go on one of those runs they do.

{Ed025's Note - your right HRP and the loss of them 2 points could actually result in them getting relegated and thats my point, its a bloody joke mate..

21 Oct 2019 12:45:14
We what know what VAR is there fore in England. It is NOT there to correct human errors on the pitch. It is there to protect the on the pitch from being held accountable for his clear human errors, due to this pathetic "clear and obvious" nonsense. No other league in the big 5 leagues in Europe has that pathetic rule. Refs are actually allowed to go see the monitor and judge for themselves so that way, the center ref has the final say. In England, the refs are not even allowed to see the images themselves and get the final say. And we wonder why VAR is useless in the PL.

Now regarding the ref's perf., he was horrible and again, I can take a ref. making this a mistake here and there on both teams BUT this was not it. Our players were being penalized and carded for the very same things utd players were doing and did not get carded. Rojo alone should have been carded for his challenge on Fab and in another incident, blasting the ball against Lallana when he is on the ground after being chopped down by Young. Young for chopping Lallana down from behind either. Not a card for clear time-wasting on their side etc. Sorry, Atkinson may not be biased BUT his rank incompetence seemed to favor one team majority of the time. Peace.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that redwolf..

21 Oct 2019 14:49:28
Well said Redwolf. I actually felt there were ref decisions that went against United too. I don't believe there was bias but the ref was poor and unfortunately it wasn't in our favour. This being said, I wonder how many of us will complain when the shoe is on the other foot.

21 Oct 2019 15:40:22
LRG, I try to be consistent in this case. If that happened to LFC as you say and as a former athlete, I would be livid and would admit that the ref was poor cos I know exactly how it feels when the ref is having such a stinker that you thought the game was fixed. At times, that was what it felt like cos the unfairness was just too blatant to ignore or just class under the "incompetence" cupboard. Incompetence is rampant in the PL BUT this was what it. It was "incompetence" that was clearly benefiting the pother team. That would never fly with me, mate.







 

 

 
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