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11 Nov 2019 07:49:50
Can one of the eds help me out regarding the Alexander Arnold hand ball? All I’ve heard since the match finished yesterday was how fabinho’s goal should have been disallowed and city awarded a pen but it clearly hit silva’s hand first and correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the new handball law state that if the ball hits the attacking players hand, intentionally or not, it will be a free kick to the defending team? Similar to the mane handball against United? If that’s correct, the Silva handball would nullify Alexander Arnold’s Hand ball would it not?

{Ed001's Note - I would just forget about it, the media are just trying to stir up controversy where none exists and Pep is just looking to have an excuse for losing.}

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11 Nov 2019 08:10:20
You are correct mate it should have been a foul to us and Peps behaviour at the end was embarrassing a hope the FA look at that and take him to task if he is such a good manager tell him to manage macclesfield and then we will see how good he is.

{Ed001's Note - this is just Pep trying to cover up the fact that his poor judgement has weakened City badly. If he had bought more than one good defender in his time at the club they wouldn't be so far behind.}

11 Nov 2019 08:14:44
Just the normal then Ed mate? Same old, different day.

{Ed001's Note - yep. Pep needs the controversy to keep people from noticing how badly he has messed up in the transfer market, so he is going to keep on about it all season long.}

11 Nov 2019 08:18:44
Exactly. It is just the media acting up as usual.
Pep has been utterly outclassed by Klopp yet again, something he has no idea how to address.
City were not unlucky, unfairly treated, nor conspired against. They were simply overpowered, demoralized and well-beaten.
For all of Pep’s spending and perceived mythical coaching, he just cannot take Klopp on in a football match, it’s as simple as that.

11 Nov 2019 08:22:08
There were 30 people in the boozer I was at. I was the only Liverpool fan. Not one person in the room thought it was a penalty once they showed the slow motion clip of it hitting Silva's hand.

It's literally not a debate. You can't punch it onto somebodies hand and ask for a penalty. Isn't that common sense if nothing else?

11 Nov 2019 08:28:08
Pep under pressure his reaction said it all
Up the pool.

11 Nov 2019 09:24:29
Oh, so the bald, petulant, whiny little cry baby spitting his dummy out on the touchline cos mommy (the ref) did not get him the toy he wanted was Pep? Wow, totally missed that one.

Seriously tho, I fully agree with Ed and the other lads. Pep is a politician hence, a hypocrite, IMO. He is trying to have everyone focus on the "shiny object" that is the unclear handball call to deflect from his own failings.

So this guy will have us all believe that it was a 50-50 handball call that VAR did not give him, is the whole reason his team got pummeled 3-1 rather than his own abject incompetence during the game and that of his players where their mistakes cost them the goals? Really? Gundogan "assisted" Fab on the first goal. They were caught flat-footed defensively on the second. Hendo rinses Gundogan, puts a great ball in, Bravo stays on his line and Walker literally watches the ball leave Hendo's foot till he see Mane head it in.

But let's forget that all this happened and focus on the 50/ 50 handball, isn't it Pep? As someone said, as self-entitled as Pep only understands pain and I am glad we inflicted that pain on him to the point of losing his scalp (as he has no hair) all game long.

11 Nov 2019 09:37:30
Well said Ed. I was getting so annoyed watching the pundits after the game. Especially the presenter, who kept pushing the handball issue. Ignoring the fact we won 3.1 and it would never have been a penalty due to Silva handball onto Trents. Felt it was disrespectful to the Liverpool players and management. But nothing surprising with Sly sports! Our midfield 3 were absolutely brilliant yesterday and deserve full credit for it.

{Ed001's Note - I just thought it was such a blatant handball from Silva, he clearly punched the ball into Trent, that I didn't understand why there was an issue at all. I guess when a game was that cut and dried a win they have to create something to talk about.}

11 Nov 2019 09:56:39
imagine if pep had a real crisis to deal with? whose fault is it that city only have 1 quality centre back and goalkeeper? who decided before the game to call out mane? yes he dived yesterday pep, he dived with his head to make it 3-0! his behaviour and interview were the actions of a man not used to getting his own way.
Its the defeats to Norwich and wolves and the draw vs spurs that have cost pep, and his inability to spot what a good defender looks like, he should have cover in all positions for the amount of money he has spent.
compare the amount of money mendy cost compared to Robertson for example to see where his problems lie.
If he ever had a Chelsea like transfer ban, the man simply would not cope.

11 Nov 2019 11:24:52
he got done by Klopp in terms of tactics. everyone knew he would look to attack early on and blow us away as possible in the early stages. but we were so ruthless with our first 2 chances that it tore his game plan to shreds. we dominated them in the 2nd half till abt the 70mins. and i dare say, had Klopp managed to bring Ox on earlier, as he clearly intended, City would probably never have scored their goal. but once we got into the shape he wanted, City was stifled once again.

the impt and meanginful stat is, Pep has never won at Anfield and i hope he never will.

and abt the handball? i don't know what Kompany was seeing. Silva's hand wasnt in a natural position while TAA was. Try it yourselves, nobody runs with a straight and bent elbow - which was Silva's movement was, initially straight then he bent his elbow after he saw the ball moving away from him due to Lovern's tackle. he had committed to a pass that was foiled (which explains his straight arms) and should have tired to pull his arm away while turning back to see the ball. on the other hand, look at how both Augero and TAA were BOTH spreading their arms out to stop their run, because that's what normal humans do.

finally, if Augero had played on to play Sterling in, he probably would have scored and VAR would kick in. Barring any nonsense, the goal would be cancelled and fk given to liverpool for Silva's initial handball. then, the counter attack would have never transpired.

city only have themselves to blame for poor tactics, poor finishing, poor defending, and poor decision making in key moments.

11 Nov 2019 12:26:58
Pep was utterly embarrassing and lacking in any kind of dignity. To flap around on the touchline like a spoilt child and then run up and sarcastically address the ref after the match just showed immaturity as a manager.
Im sure his own team will be wondering about the example he is setting. he's not the first petulant manager but at least Mourinho used to save his pouts and sarcasm for the press conferences.

11 Nov 2019 12:40:17
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but if they got a penalty would that not have had to be ruled out too as Silva created a goalscoring opportunity with a handball?

{Ed001's Note - let's be honest, they make up the rules as they go along, so it is impossible to be sure any more what is the actual ruling and what is an interpretation on the day or what is an excuse made up to cover a mistake.}

11 Nov 2019 12:48:56
Unfortunately, I think a lack of professionalism, like some of the antics yesterday, has become the norm against many sports. I understand the heat of the moment, but I would be embarrassed if a high schooler acted the way many professionals do when things aren't going their way. I hope this gets addressed at some point.

11 Nov 2019 15:24:55
Oh, you ain't up on game, player. Haven't you heard? VAR is the reason Pep did not sign a CB last summer. It was VAR's fault for him not being able to break down Wolves or Norwich and got smashed. It's VAR's fault for City after spending over 350m on FB's, CB's and GK's, can't defend against a team that has the temerity to have a go at him. Typical of a self-entitled, petulant child. Nothing is ever his fault and the media do a bang up job of carrying his water for him as well.

11 Nov 2019 15:25:45
Coco9, I fully agree with you as well. All the pundits seemed to gloss over or not even mention the fact that the ball ricoheted off Silva's arm then hit TAA's who was slowing down hence, did not have time to get his arm away from the ball. Kompany mentioned it BUT just glossed over it. On MOTD, it was not even addressed. Neither was it addressed on Sly. I wonder why.

For me, it was NEVER a pen for the exact reasons you and Ed brought up. There were at most 2 ricochets (Once off Lovs, then straight onto Silva's arm) before the ball hits TAA so how can a pen be given for that? How is TAA who is slowing down after running at full pelt to the scene supposed to know the ball was going to ricochet twice and get to him? TAA is good BUT he ain't that good.

IMO, Michael Oliver got it right if in fact, he saw the same things I saw. This is what the media don't want to talk about cos well, it's too hard to do so just make it sound like Pep got done by the refs cos that drives the controversy whereas IMO, there isn't one.



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