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29 Dec 2019 19:31:22
Ignore everything I said yesterday about VAR, it’s brilliant 😂😂

Seriously though, all jokes aside, it’s another dreadful decision. It was right in terms of he was technically marginally ahead of the defender but something needs to be done about the criteria regarding offside. These decisions cannot be 100% accurate and we’re talking about centimetres. Do any of the Ed’s know if the FA are looking to change the criteria any time soon?

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29 Dec 2019 19:42:05
Another decision to add to many, many bad ones. We got the luck of the draw today, we may not tomorrow, it's really poor how it is used. The one in the City game (regarding referees interference) was even worse, and shows how VAR seems to be about backing up a referee more than getting a decision right. Completely broken system, and making the game a whole lot worse as a result.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on seano mate..

29 Dec 2019 19:42:09
That's the thing, the decision was right but it's wrong according to fans as we feel he should be classed as onside. Therefore it's the interpretation that needs to change I. e. clear and obvious or stick with the lineo, surely it's not that difficult. No need for lines, it doesn't help the game.
Btw for our goal I think var was spot on, although there's a frame going around that makes it look clear that vvd touched it with his arm. When its played fully the other shots show it doesn't.

{Ed025's Note - thats the reason it will never work WYred, its down to interpretation now whether thats the ref or someone in a studio in milton keynes makes no difference mate and just confuses the issues..

29 Dec 2019 19:56:25
I mean you said it was the correct decision and then said we need to change the rules. I agree it feels tainted but you’re offside if it’s 1cm or 1 mile. The only confusion i have is why are we considering the arms in an offside decision.

{Ed025's Note - it will be a strand of hair next Tj, any excuse for these crap referees not to improve but to have their arses covered by a faceless prick in a studio mate..

29 Dec 2019 20:24:16
Why would that be covering the ref’s arse though Ed? He didn’t give the goal or the offside so both went against the officials’ on pitch decision. Both were correct.
The problem was the ref blowing for a handball when it clearly wasn’t. He should’ve just left it then if it’s handball let the VAR take a look at it.
The offside will be given as offside in every premier league game because it was offside. I said yesterday on decisions that close it should be linesman’s call because there is no way to be 100% sure you are looking at absolutely the right frame.
People (Ed25 especially) will be saying VAR has helped Liverpool again but it hasn’t. The decisions were correct in the laws of the game.
Wolves need to suck it up and move on, they played well but didn’t create enough clear cut chances to win and when they did it was offside. Close but still offside.

{Ed025's Note - there should be no VAR BP, if the refs and officials were competent then there would be no need for VAR, but your right about it helping liverpool (yet again) mate, your faces should be as red as your kit..

29 Dec 2019 20:26:38
Saw that City match Seano, thought VAR was going to rule out City's opener, crazy goal with the ref completely at fault and in the way. Be raging if you're a Sheff Utd fan, esp with their goal already ruled out.

29 Dec 2019 20:39:27
We’re the decisions wrong then Ed25?

{Ed025's Note - yes for me BP, the ref called handball and that should be the end of it imo, and the linesman did not call the offside for the wolves goal so that should have stood, giving the referees the chance to atone for their mistakes during a game is exactly whats wrong with the game mate, if they cant do the job then get rid of them and get someone who can, the standard is so low and thats because they are using VAR as a crutch which covers their ineptitude mate..

29 Dec 2019 20:40:59
It should have been a draw Ed025 I'll definitely give Wolves that but red faces as you say definitely not.

{Ed025's Note - well maybe cerice barry.. :)

29 Dec 2019 20:57:35
Tjred, I did not say change the rules, I said the interpretation of the rule needs to change. The offside law was not brought in to be used this way, it was brought in so the striker could not stand behind the defence and have the ball pumped over, therefore gaining an advantage. If you believe that a striker who is standing 1cm behind the defender has enough of an advantage for a goal to be ruled out, you must hate the enjoyment of the game!

29 Dec 2019 21:05:36
IMO, the idea of VAR is very good and is high time it as put in place. What I do not like is that in England (unlike the rest of Europe where VAR actually works for the most part), it is used to back up/ bail out the centre ref's incompetence instead of actually doing the right things. IMO, this is why VAR was put in place cos as Ed25 said, it is clearly easier to do it this way instead of putting measures in place to improve the officiating standards which btw, are worse than dreadful.

I mean, look at the Pukki goal vs Spurs (it was not even offside watching it live), the sending off of Mariappa for Watford or the Brighton goal and now, the City goal. It is a shambles, really. The City one is even the worst cos VAR was supposed to bring the play back cos the ref "assisted" the City goal and the VAR guy in a bid to cover his mate's incompetence, does not enforce the rule. To me if VAR can't do what is right or continues to be this useless then scrap the damn thing. Happy 2020!

{Ed025's Note - your dead right mate..

29 Dec 2019 22:25:09
The only problem I have is with the time taken to make a decision, even when it is clear and obvious.
If there was no VAR, teams that got correct decisions would be whining over incorrect decisions. The funny thing now is people are whining when the CORRECT decision is given, which if you think about it is madness.
Basically if supporters are on the losing side they whine.

{Ed025's Note - that last bit is very true polecat..

29 Dec 2019 22:33:55
If we’re being honest, it was off the shoulder. And the Wolves player was slightly offside. So it’s correct. But the whole system is wrong, VAR is killing the most popular Sport in the world.

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me on that last bit L8..

29 Dec 2019 23:09:46
So what you’re saying Ed25 is that you’re happy for a perfectly good goal to be chalked off and an offside goal to stand just because the officials are poor? That’s some strange logic there!
Or is it just because it’s Liverpool?
I’ve seen some odd decisions from VAR like the Mahrez penalty the other day but today’s were standard VAR decisions. I do think the offside needs looking at but as it is the law was followed and the decisions correct.
I agree with Polecat. Teams will always whinge when they lose to deflect from the fact they weren’t good enough.

{Ed025's Note - im just after fairness BP and a level playing field, VAR was brought in to correct obvious mistakes but has ended up compounding them, people dont talk about the football anymore its all about the bloody VAR decisions mate and that cant be right, its not just that every decision seems to go in liverpools favour though (even though it does) fact there was a incident in the brighton spurs game where VAR reviewed it...and awarded liverpool a penalty.. :)

30 Dec 2019 05:29:36
Cmon Ed. We are asking old men and women to keep up with the most elite athletes in the world, of course there’s going to Be errors. I for one think it’s definitely taking some getting used to, but now we don’t have to worry about hand of god goals or offside 90 minute winners. It takes some of the drama away. Every ref is going to make mistakes, and the game needs to Be more about the teams/ performances and less about the refs.

TLDR version: it’s not perfect. It’s going to get better. And it certainly needs to stay.

{Ed025's Note - if i supported liverpool i would definitely want it to stay Tj but lets be honest its a joke, armpits deciding the outcome of games and some tosser in a studio deciding if a goal should be ruled out because the ball accidently struck a hand just cant be right, go back to basics and stop trying to fix something that is,nt broken..

30 Dec 2019 07:55:41
For me VAR got it right with the "handball", it was rightly overturned. The issue as others have said was with the incompetent refereeing.
With regards to the offside, maybe technically he was a millimetre off, but come on, no-one wants to see goals being chalked off for that. It's happened for and against us this season, and I haven't agreed with any of them.
For me, VAR should get say 30 seconds max for an offside call, if it's clear and obvious they're off, give offside, if not, they're onside. None of this 5 minutes drawing lines on a laptop sh#te, people want to watch football, not some muppet locked in a room p#ssing about on Microsoft Paint.

{Ed025's Note - just scrap it for me RC, go away and perfect it and sort out the rules then have a 10 year trial in amateur football before its implemented back....i should be dead by then and wont have to put up with it mate..

30 Dec 2019 08:10:37
Ed I thought you were old, didn't realise you were that old though 😂
To be honest Ed I like the idea of VAR, before it there were so many shocking decisions that just went beyond belief, and for me that's what VAR is there to fix.
The way it's being used though, to disallow a goal because someone hasn't trimmed their nostrils for a couple of days, is just ruining the game completely.
But unless they can sort it and just start applying some common sense, I agree, get rid before we all start taking up watching NFL because it's less stop/ start.

{Ed025's Note - your right there RC, football has been around for donkeys years mate and now they are trying to re-invent the wheel, just leave the bloody thing alone..

30 Dec 2019 11:29:46
How can you measure mm's on a rubbish blocky pixelated image from a oblique angle, it's a farce.

They got the Mane goal right, but the equaliser should have stood.

30 Dec 2019 12:45:41
Think I would like to see VAR used only if the ref hadn’t blown his whistle. For instance, that handball yesterday wouldn’t be overturned. If the ref blows the whistle, the game has to stop. That’s universal in every sport.

But, for instances like the Wolves goal. No whistle. Can be reviewed by VAR. what you think 025?

{Ed025's Note - i prefered it when the ref made the decisions Tj, im old school you see and if VAR worked i would embrace it but thats not the case im afraid mate, improve the standard of refereeing and go back to basics for was not broken so why try to fix it?..

30 Dec 2019 13:32:00
As people are pointing out VAR is ruining the game during it and after it as that's all we are talking about. Goal line technology is great as its quick and there's a definitive answer. VAR is still down to somebody's interpretation so people will always agree and disagree.

My personal opinion with offside is I would like to see it changed so the whole body has to be offside having daylight between the players. But then you have issues with handball and we all have opinions on it. What is a natural position. There was a game about a month back where a defenders come sliding in to block a cross the attacking player cut back slightly so when he crossed it the defenders trailing hand which was on the ground handled the ball.

No penalty was given because I think they said as he was on the ground his arm was supporting his body (or something along those lines) but my arguement is that he's thrown his body on the ground in the first place to make himself bigger to block a cross so he's gaining an advantage there. It may be harsh but he purposely puts himself out of control of his body so should be penalised.

The other part of VAR I would like to see change is make the ref View a monitor give him 60 seconds maximum to make a decision of you can't make it in that time it's not clear and obvious.



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