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26 Jul 2020 21:54:47
Just interested in everyone's thoughts on this.

Aston Villa staying up by a point doesn't sit well with me. Especially when they gained a point against Sheffield United when they should have lost the game. Only a failure of the goal line technology saved them that day (even though it was plain for anybody to see it was a goal) . And ultimately that point kept them up.

Now yes I know there are hundreds of decisions that went for and against them over the year (and the three relegated teams also) . That though is all human error. Whether it be player mistake or official mistake but that's part of the game. Always has been and always will be.

Failure of technology impacting results though just doesn't feel right. Especially when that mistake has in fact had a say in teams staying up and teams going down.

Maybe it's just me.

{Ed025's Note - put it down as a quirk of fate wazza..

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26 Jul 2020 22:21:39
I'm glad villa stayed up. Massive club, like Leeds they belong in the top flight really. They must have had some decisions go against them too? Although I was vaguely interested to see where Jack grealish would end up. Surely arsenal.

26 Jul 2020 22:32:29
I can see your point considering the uniquely blatant failure of technology involved.

But honestly, to arrive at an outcome based on what should have happened instead of what did happen in terms of decisions, you'd have to go through every obviously incorrect decision that resulted in a goal, a penalty, or disallowed a goal, or didn't give a penalty etc. across the league and 'correct' them to determine who 'should have' finished where. Who knows where Villa end up then?

And that's before we get into things like how goals change games and mentality.

26 Jul 2020 22:39:12
Sometimes it just falls your way, and it definitely did when someone forgot to plug it in!
End of the day the other three weren't good enough and they only have themselves to blame.

26 Jul 2020 23:12:45
Last season we equalised against West Ham when Milner was about 2 foot offside. If we had gone on to win the league by a point would you have been overly concerned then?

26 Jul 2020 23:21:21
I understand Wazza's point mainly because goal line tech is supposed to eliminate human error. Other aspects of decisions going wrong have a degree of human input.
Could it be argued that the officials don't even try to assess if the ball crosses the line as they know the watch will buzz nowadays? So, it's different to an offside call or a debatable penalty decision. Goal line tech is supposed to be 100% bang on, no human decision needed. I get your point Wazza.

26 Jul 2020 23:46:07
I understand your point, but if any club is relying on another club for their succcess then they are asking for trouble. bottom line is take care of your business and you don't have to worry about it. on another topic, is anyone surprised that Man U set the record for penalties awarded? Not surprised at all.

27 Jul 2020 01:03:25
Here's how I look at it.

All things being equal on the football pitch we can fairly say that villa, bournemouth and watford all deserved to be in the relegation zone. this accounts for human error, tactics, fatigue etc etc

However, a technological quirk has gifted Aston Villa a crucial one point advantage in the relegation race. Had it not happened they would have been relegated. This technological quirk that has not happened anywhere else in the league and is a complete anomaly.

I think it is fair enough to be aggrieved by that fact. Yes it is about the whole season, and if Bournemouth were good enough over the whole season then they wouldn't have been relegated. I really think that is besides the point because we are only talking about the fine margins at this end of the table. And Aston Villa had a massive error go their way that in 99.9% of the other matches wouldn't occur. So I think it is a fair point.

27 Jul 2020 06:10:18
If that technological quirk had happened in the first game of the season it wouldn’t have been seen as significant as they had so many possible points to gain.
Teams end up in the position they do because of their performances all year, not because of a glitch. Otherwise you may as well say Robbos equaliser against Villa won us the league.

{Ed0666's Note - I really like you’re username very clever. To be fair it doesn’t take much to flatter me tho lol.

27 Jul 2020 08:02:43
you've missed the point mate. at any point of the season, that was an anomaly to what any other team experienced almost in all of world football.

Robbo's equalizer vs villa is what helped us win the league by 18 points instead of 15 I suppose.

27 Jul 2020 00:14:41
Villa have had some bad decisions as well, especially away at palace when Grealish got booked for diving and goal cancelled, swings and roundabouts.

{Ed001's Note - you are joking right? Grealish was getting double figures of free kicks every game of which almost all were either dives or him committing the foul. Villa got the rub of the green every week, but they needed it as luck plays a big part in survival battles.}

27 Jul 2020 09:10:53
I'm ok with the football stuff cos that is part of the game. It's a grub part of the game but not every game you get the technology just magically not working.

27 Jul 2020 11:33:49
I am not one for pointing to this or that decision contributing to a team succeeding or failing during a season. This is why I never believed that us losing to City last season cost us the league as there were 17 games left after that one even tho, many LFC fans would like to believe that.

The season lasts 10 months or so with 38 games to play hence, ample opportunities to sink or swim on your own power therefore at the end of the day, you will get what you deserve overall. Villa stayed up cos they deserved to stay up after 38 games, ref decisions be damned.

27 Jul 2020 12:38:29
You can’t put a season down to one moment. Who knows villa could have won that game if they conceded against Sheffield or gone on to lose 5-0 and every game following. Ups and downs mistakes and lucky bounces all part of it really. Even with technology there are still plenty of errors, and they probably Balance themselves out over the course of the season.

Unless of course you play at old Trafford ;)







 

 

 
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