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06 Aug 2020 07:11:09
Get Lewis 10mill, larouci can go in the other direction and would even offer Harvey Elliot on loan for the season Norwich play the right football. I think he needs 1st team football like Brewster for a season now.

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06 Aug 2020 09:38:40
I disagree mate. I hate the loan system. Players improve more in terms of ability from good coaches and training with more demanding team mates in my opinion.

Loans are good for players lacking confidence or regaining fitness. In some cases it's even good to toughen up a player who is mentally or physically weak. None of that applies Elliott though. He looks supremely confident, has never had a injury, looks to have a good attitude, and looks physically capable of going toe to toe with senior players. I'd rather he had Klopp and Henderson on his back keeping him grounded, and got to watch and learn from Salah and Mane daily.

The loan helped Brewster because he was recovering from injury and looked to be lacking confidence. Another loan for him finishes his Liverpool career if you ask me. Perpetual loan cycles stall a players development and very few come back to their parent club after years in the wilderness, as better players.

06 Aug 2020 10:55:54
Agree on the confidence part. He does look like one confident and motivated kid. He is really really young. He needs more coaching and be around a bunch of great players than more gametime for now, I think.

06 Aug 2020 11:20:55
Harvey Elliot will not be playing championship football.

06 Aug 2020 11:46:44
Good post HMB. I keep saying it, as soon as we pulled out of Werner deal it would have been partially based on keeping Brewster with us next season.

06 Aug 2020 16:34:19
Supareds, I disagree. With Klopp, things are not always what they seem to be. Brewster is still a kid and learning the game and if he thought he could keep Brewster then why would Klopp have wasted his time courting Werner for months.

IMO, Klopp does not play those types of games. He is a serious dude. We shall see what happens with Brewster but IMO, he is going to need another loan and word on the street is that Swansea are keen on taking him back on loan for next season.

06 Aug 2020 17:48:34
Red Meister, plans can change mate. Since then Klopp has said that as a club we need to find internal solutions. Also since then football resumed and Brewster starting banging in goals and fired Swansea to the playoffs. When Klopp was courting Werner we weren't expecting to be losing money this season and Brewster wasn't doing as well.

I think we either keep Origi and sell Brewster. Or keep Brewster and sell Origi. It's simply not fair to hoard talent and keep sending them out to clubs with no actual interest in the development or long term future of the player. Loans are short term solutions. As a general rule they are damaging to peoples careers. Origi is the only Liverpool player in the first team squad to go out on loan and actually come back. He came from Lille as a scapegoat lacking confidence, then back from Wolfsburg half the player lacking fitness. Liverpool failed him.

We should not make the same mistake with Brewster. If he's not in Klopp's plans let the poor kid go to a team who want to build around him because he's too good for Championship level. Bundesliga 1 clubs wanted him 24 months ago and Klopp convinced him to stay on the premise that he would get first team opportunities.

It's time to make the hard decisions in the best interest of the player. Stalling for time is selfish in my opinion.

06 Aug 2020 18:20:13
How did Liverpool fail Origi by loaning him to a couple of decent clubs? He just make enough of the opportunity.

That aside I do think we could move Origi on if he wants and use Brewster. My only issue is the amount of time Klopp used Origi on the left and not thru the middle. I can't see Brewster doing that. Maybe Klopp sees Origi giving him more options?

06 Aug 2020 18:33:03
HMB, of course plans can change but that is not the issue here. You keep saying LFC failed Origi or whatever and that is simply not true. It was a good loan cos they paid a 7m loan fee so there
goes your argument.

For someone who watched Origi play in Germany most of the time he was there, I agree that the Wolfsburg loan was not good for him cos the team did not play to his strengths even tho he was a regular starter at first. How was LFC supposed to know that? How was LFC supposed to know that Wolfsburg would be basket case that season with 3 managers coming in and out of the club? Chill out with all that mess, man. Easy to say all that stuff after the fact, isn't it?

Also, this idea of selling young players cos he may or may not be in Klopp's plans is premature and IMO, bizarre. If Klopp did not want Brewster, he could have sold him to Dortmund who came in for him after they got Sancho yet Klopp kept him and judging by what we have seen at Swansea, Klopp was right to keep him cos the kid can ball. All he needs is consistent game time and experience. After all, Jones and Williams bid their time and Elliot is doing the exact same thing. What is selfish about that?

As for making hard decisions for the interest of the player, I will leave that to Klopp and Brewster's camp to figure that out BUT IMO, we will not be selling our young but inexperienced players with potential just cos Klopp or the club is not doing what you wantor cos these kids are not developing fast enuff for your liking.

06 Aug 2020 19:11:41
You could argue that Klopp doesn't play to Origi's strengths.

06 Aug 2020 22:56:18
It's easy to say in hindsight but equally easy to predict in advance. Loans don't work almost invariably from what i have seen. It's a poor system that is abused in the modern game to the detriment of young players who now rarely ever come through at their parent clubs in top tier leagues. Most of the time it is children the top clubs have hoarded being farmed off around the country. I'm sorry you disagree with my opinion, but you can't change it. I don't like loans and i think Brewster deserves better. Origi was a good young player before he was loaned out and he came back with shattered confidence.

The players who succeed are the ones who get backed from an early age and kept in and around the first team. Robbie Fowler, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard, Steve McManaman, Trent Alexander-Arnold etc. I must have missed their loan moves. Which loan players have come back to Liverpool and gone on to become regulars in the starting 11? I cannot think of any.

07 Aug 2020 01:52:34
I’d be amazed if Klopp doesn’t keep Brewster at the club this season. He has had a great recovery season on loan and we are in need of internal reinforcements with Lallana and possibly Shaqiri moving on. Rhian needs premier league experience now and to be training with the first team under Klopp. I don’t see what benefit he would get by being loaned out again other than fitness and lower level experience.

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t concur mate. I think it would be better for him and us if he goes out on loan is playing regularly and scoring goals. I feel he needs one more good season under his belt before he can lay a claim to the Liverpool squad.

07 Aug 2020 03:28:28
More than happy to disagree, 666, I just feel he will learn more playing with us in cup games, sub appearances (or more if front 3 are injured) . At some point he needs to learn how Klopps methods translate on the pitch and forge intuitive understanding with our other front men. As long as he is getting enough opportunities as Jones, Neco, etc, were then I think there’s more to be gained by having him training with the first team instead of being loaned to the Championship. I’ve a sneaky feeling he will stick around this season but I have no issue being proven wrong.

{Ed0666's Note - I hear you’re point Gini but he was doing the cup games and sub appearances for us season before last and he was woeful. Get another full playing season under his belt and come back and challenge for a place as he clearly looks like there might be a player in there. Well just have to agree to disagree on this one and if indeed he does come back this season I’m more than happy to eat humble pie wouldn’t be the first time mate.

07 Aug 2020 09:14:50
Ed0666, think you've possibly confused him with Sturridge or Solanke? 18/ 19 season Brewster was injured the whole year and Sturridge and Origi were back ups. 17/ 18 season Brewster wasn't even in the first team picture and Solanke and Sturridge were back ups while Origi rotted in Germany.

Brewster has barely had a sniff of first team football at Liverpool. He had a few cup games this season prior to his loan to Swansea to get him match fit. When he signed his new deal Klopp promised him first team opportunities and it's time he honoured that promise.

For me, Origi or Brewster should be sold and the other kept as competition for the squad. In reality, i'm well aware the most likely scenario is Origi stays and Brewster goes back on loan. I just don't agree with it.

{Ed0666's Note - no Harvey I wasn’t confusing him with anyone else my bad I thought he’d played more games for us prior to his loan to Swansea, thanks for correcting me.
My point still stands though because he was training with the first team squad and still was shipped out so Klopp obviously thought he wasn’t ready which was in relation to you’re point about him needing to train with the first team







 

 

 
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