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04 Dec 2020 21:59:58
U lot might might answer me this!
All the VAR controversy etc! I was wondering when the grounds men are doing out the pitch and u see the shades of green different squares etc! Well why don’t they make them smaller but bang on precision lines across the pitch and use them against the VAR lines if that makes sense?
No ed02 it ain’t a conspiracy against LFC😅
We are all sick of the blue red lines that look a mile out!
Well let’s mark the pitch with our solid lines?
Just a thought!

{Ed002's Note - VAR has additional camera which are squared. So this won’t work either.}

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04 Dec 2020 22:34:34
Ed02 var’s cameras clearly don’t work either.

{Ed002's Note - How would you know that.}

05 Dec 2020 03:21:44
I think they should introduce a VAR offsides ‘margin of error’ where if it’s a tight call then the ref or linesman’s decision stands as there’s no clear and obvious error. It’s used for LBW decisions in cricket very effectively, and no-one complains at all.

How it could work is the VAR ref draws the two lines as usual, but so long as they are within say a margin of error of 5cm close to each other, then the on field call stands. If the two lines are more than 5cm apart, that a clear and obvious error is called, and the goal Ivan be disallowed.

It would rule out the subjectivity of where the VAR ref draws the lines being a point of debate, and no more ‘armpit offside’ calls by millimeters. Only the obvious offside goals would be disallowed and I’m sure most fans would prefer to see benefit of the doubt going to the attacker.

Another obvious change would be not to slow down replays when deciding VAR calls. The slow motion distorts the perception of what is/ isn’t deliberate and whether someone can move their arm out the way or not, or even whether the arm is in an unnatural position. All penalty decisions should be in real time only, and via pitch side monitors, and this would allow the ref to make decisions exactly as they would be in a real game, just with a better angle of view.

{Ed001's Note - the on field ref is not supposed to be shown slow mo replays.}

05 Dec 2020 06:32:30
Just go back to the old fashioned ref method. Goal line technology only. Until VAR is sorted my interest in watching a game these days has decreased massively. I've cancelled my TV package already. I just can't face watching it at the moment, VAR coupled with no fans has turned me off I'm afraid.

05 Dec 2020 09:44:49
Is that true bout the slow mo ed? how come whenever the ref goes to look at the monitor he does be seeing it in slow mo?

{Ed001's Note - because Mike Riley is an arrogant prick and thinks he knows better than IFAB and FIFA about how to run VAR.}

05 Dec 2020 09:58:28
Ed001 that’s literally the only thing the on field refs are shown. If they slow the replays down anymore, players contracts will be expiring mid Var review.

{Ed001's Note - I know, that is why I get so frustrated with it. You are lucky you aren't one of my neighbours, who I really feel sorry for as I do tend to go off on very loud rants every single time VAR is misused. Which is about 5 times a match these days.}

05 Dec 2020 10:27:01
Haha brilliant Ed. My neighbours get it as well. I’m more reserved these days because I don’t know when to celebrate a goal or not. Last week I was nervy as hell for the Brighton game and when Mane put that header in I went mental. Once it was disallowed I actually lost interest in the last few minutes and was in and out of the kitchen. When they were then given that last min pen that was the icing on the cake for me.

{Ed001's Note - it really is ruining the game.}

05 Dec 2020 10:39:22
That's why these days I couldn't give a damn about the game ed1 mate, it winds me up too much, when I'm at home watching Liverpool I expect it to be an enjoyable experience but because of this VAR, it's not. I love Liverpool, that will and can never change but I don't love football anymore, not like I used to. I'll watch the odd game now and then when I can be bothered but certainly not going out of my way for it.

{Ed001's Note - if it wasn't for the sites, I don't think I would watch any games any more. Not until crowds are back fully anyway. It has lost its way.}

05 Dec 2020 09:38:17
Ed02, I was being sarcastic. What I should of said is the cameras work perfect but it’s the var officials that clearly haven’t a clue. Can’t believe how badly var is being run and how much of an adverse affect it’s having on English football. I don’t watch as much football as I used to but is there any other leagues where var is being used so badly and causing so much controversy?

{Ed002's Note - They are having problems with it in Bulgaria as it is not in all stadiums. There remains a push from a number of PL sides for referees to make more use of the pitchside monitors.}

05 Dec 2020 11:31:02
Couldn't agree more. At a time with very little else to do and the quality team we have, we should be enjoying football to the max but right now I end up just getting frustrated with what VAR and the people making decisions are doing to the beautiful game. The problem is I can't see anyone really doing anything about it despite it being obvious that the majority of people now just want rid of it.

05 Dec 2020 00:14:03
Ed would body cams for linesmen (similar to po-po) work, and one camera to track when the ball was hit?

{Ed001's Note - it wouldn't matter as they would still be subjective over which frame they choose, plus the movement of the lino would mean the angle of the shot would be deceptive.}

05 Dec 2020 12:04:43
Because of this VAR crap I decided to watch a Championship game.
I watched Bournemouth last night.
4 goals, no VAR a tackle that would have been reviewed and possibly player sent off ended in a yellow card.
A really exciting game not spoiled by endless reviews and Solanke got on the scoresheet.

05 Dec 2020 12:40:48
Ed01 loosin his p#*# over Riley get in my son it’s all I wanted to hear!

{Ed001's Note - that is me being nice about him.}

05 Dec 2020 13:10:23
Ed01, I listened to your last podcast where you actually said that FIFA and IFAB mandated that slo mo replays should not b used when using the pitch side monitors yet PL refs use it and that is where I lost it.

VAR is nothing but a tool and a crutch for the officials to hang their incompetence on (Ed25 said this and he is right) . We all watch CL games and the diff is light and day with the officiating. Had the Robbie incident happened in the CL, I doubt they would have even bothered to check it cos the refs actually know that football is a contact sport.

As for the whole “Clear and Obvious” shtick, it is all rubbish and has no meaning as it is open to interpretation depending on the ref on the day. Again, just a crutch for the refs to mask their incompetence and protect the stat quo of bias and non transparency.

Even the ref is not allowed to stick to his decision after reviewing the monitor cos he is not towing the party line. If he does hence, overrules the VAR, he does not ref a game for a month. Just ask Graham Scott.

{Ed001's Note - IFAB have also said that offsides that are close decisions should not be looked at but just go with the decision of the linesman and referee. Again that is the clear and obvious thing. If you have to draw a line to see if someone is offside or onside then it is not clear and obvious and outside the remit of VAR.}

05 Dec 2020 13:29:36
Have the Dutch fa not gone against fifa guidance on offside? I believe they have calculated a 10cm margin of error in the equipment created between the time between stills. They do 5cm either side of the last defensive line to create a thicker band. If the attacking line falls in this band they are deemed onside.

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - they do include a margin for error yes.}

05 Dec 2020 15:12:52
Interesting to hear that’s what the Dutch do - I didn’t know that but exactly what they should do in England. It’s another way to make the ‘clear and obvious’ rule work but also takes it out of the refs hands as to what that means.

05 Dec 2020 15:56:36
Ed01 I agree with you on the decision being subjective, it’s not a fix but currently we are observing var decisions being made on angles of greater than 20 to 30 degrees I can calculate the amount of error that will create when applying 3D lines, those 3D lines are not fooling anybody.

Speed of play for fouls will address the issue but for offside decisions the issue is still line of sight.

I keep seeing cricket and tennis as a point of reference but in one of my previous posts, I mentioned the application is much more simpler in both those due to limited playing surfaces.

{Ed001's Note - it is much easier for cricket and tennis, and rugby for that matter, to use these things. Those games are much more stop start than football. In the case of tennis and cricket, they are on a much smaller playing surface, which lowers the degree of error that is going to happen from the viewing angle. So you are spot on.

If they need to draw a line to see it, then they should just pass it over to those on the pitch. It really is that simple. A clear and obvious error should be something you see immediately, not something you have to think about.}

05 Dec 2020 16:23:58
I agree!

Which is why if they absolutely need to implement VAR for offside decisions, body cam will at the very least give them the lion’s POV to determine if it’s a clear and obvious error.

{Ed001's Note - how will body cam help? It will be a moving camera on a line that depends on how straight the lino is facing. It would not help at all.}

05 Dec 2020 16:43:51
Ed01 with that response, I am losing it again. What a complete shambles. These guys at the PGMOL or whatever, are just taking the mick at this point. It seems like cos they reluctantly wanted and approved VAR under pressure, they have decided to sabotage the whole thing just as a middle finger to heaven knows who and making everyone suffer, IMO.

In terms of the tech., they themselves said that the the tech. in place is not good enuff to objectively catch offsides so why are they using it? For me, the lines are a cop out cos it is not even clear and the angles seem manipulated to control the outcome. How can someone bring offside by his toe nailed be a clear and obv error? Before VAR, he would have been level with the defender and no one would have complained do do now VAR has managed to create a prob that was not even there before. Oh my days!

In conclusion, VAR was nog brought in to see if Mane is offside by his PL badge on his sleeve, Salah by his toe nail or Bobbie by his armpit. If this is it however then, VAR should be scrapped. IFAB clearly said not to use it for these instances and go with the call on the field but Mike Riley clearly knows better. Pathetic!

05 Dec 2020 17:14:26
I was thinking a stop gap measure till they can come up with last defender tracking algorithm, or put a million cameras on one of the touch lines. The body can will only work if the Lino is in line with the last defender otherwise it will be as bad as current tech.

05 Dec 2020 16:46:40
We should all forget about VAR the laws of the game LAW 5 states in the opinion of the referee am just glad we don't have it in s Scotland games bad enough on a side note lads when does the amateur game resume down there in liverpool?

05 Dec 2020 16:48:23
Relax the rules slightly and VAR will be perfect and as close to flawless as you can get. The problem is they try to be too accurate with it, it feels like within the next couple of years we'll be checking for skin particles being offside.

Go back to the 'clear daylight' rule for offside and a lot of the decision making process will be made for them.

Also, it helps to actually educate the referees too, and if they already do that they're not doing a good job.







 

 

 
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