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22 Feb 2021 19:15:57
Hi my Scouse friends, what is happening with a Premiership winning team that only seems to have 2 or 3 quality centerbacks. It should be simple to have 4 and a couple of decent academy prospects. I must admit any team in the world would miss VVD, but a club of your size should have coped without 3 missing. The strength in that position is questionable of Klopp.

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22 Feb 2021 19:43:45
There are only so many cbs you can have in the squad, currently we have VVD gomez and matip out for the season. I can't think of one team (even city) that would manage without three. Yes you should be able to patch it up for a game or two but for a season you'd expect to have at least one of the above available. Add to that the 4th choice being injured and klopps 5th choice now added to the list.

If you had unlimited resources and squad size then yes maybe you could have 4 top class cb's but it just isn't feasible.

But it is what it is and we just have to get on with it. It can happen to anyone and exactly why nothings over until its over.

22 Feb 2021 19:47:46
Premiership winning team is the key line there, we won the league with that defence.

22 Feb 2021 19:48:47
(1) You’re no-ones friend around here.
(2) Get back in your lane. United fans aren’t welcome.
(3) I’d be interested to see how you coped without any of your first choice centre backs available through injury.
(4) Enjoy your Thursday cup football, chump.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣🤣

22 Feb 2021 20:03:14
How would Utd have coped with a center back pairing of Keane and Scholes, then Scholes and clegg, then clegg and higginbottom, they scraped the treble as it was, not a hope in hell would they have won anything.

22 Feb 2021 20:06:14
Also Ferguson tried to have a game called off because he had to play Fletcher and Carrick in defence, Utd got thumped. They didn't win the league that season.

22 Feb 2021 20:14:15
Wow 6 times, what a response. WYred, that's a more measured response than the **** who needs to give ****. Are your club in that much of a financial difficulty that you could not have spent big in January? I know its hard during the winter window, but where are the funds? GOOGLE shows a worth of over £6 Billion for FSG. I did not think you were near FFP rules either. It was only a question.

22 Feb 2021 20:20:08
United fell apart when Ferdinand got banned so i really don't see your point.

22 Feb 2021 20:22:56
Black47, I am not saying we have coped or would have coped. You won the Champions Laeague and Premiership in recent years, just wondered why he Klopp did not spend and partner VVD? If he had got another top defender we may be looking at another league for you?

22 Feb 2021 20:25:40
A mixture of things CSF, C.V. has decreased revenue and January is a horrible time to buy. Plus less money floating around so any targets we had would cost us a lot more with our situation. Then if we bought someone they would also need a replacement in a tough time to buy. Add to that it’s only a short term fix I. e. 6 months until we hopefully get who Klopp wants and it made no sense to buy big. We just need to accept the short term pain unfortunately.

22 Feb 2021 20:30:51
It's tough for us WYred, a rock and a hard place. If you were competing then City might not win it again, but then again do we want you to? At least you were lucky enough not to buy Slabhead.

22 Feb 2021 20:31:58
OP, it does not matter how many CB’s you have. If majority of all of them are injured then you are where we are. Our injuries are not just at CB. We have other short to medium term injuries in midfield and attack that only makes things worse cos the coach cannot rotate and keep bodied fresh.

Now let us even say we got a CB in the summer, would that have prevented the other 4 CB options from getting injured the way they did? If that happened, we would have had STILL one fit CB and would still have needed to dign one this Jan regardless. So I don’t know if you came to troll us on here but nice try tho.

Even Fergie could not deal with having midfielders play at CB cos each time he tried it, he failed YET you want Klopp to succeed in winning the title this way where the great man himself failed miserably? That is a bit dishonest, don’t you think? And I will leave you with this quote, “If Utd or City had the amount of injuries Liverpool have had this season, they would be 10th”. Cheers.

22 Feb 2021 20:32:51
We ain’t in death like Utd and we don’t want to be either!
Utd fans going on like they are up the table because they are playing well with mediocre players!
Utd have spent more then anyone you should be up there every year!
And again we’ve lost all our cb options bar the young lads not a team in the world copes with that especially UTD!
We will be back it’s a freak year and sh1t happens!
Plenty to play for yet!
Carry on!

22 Feb 2021 21:16:37
I presume you mean debt Jay and we most certainly are. But we will definitely be back after a few tweaks hence why I’m not overly worried.

Yes it sucks but it isn’t as dramatic as it’s being made out in some quarters.

And CSF I used to be very much anyone but United now im past all that. The team that wins the league wins it because they are the best over 38 games. Whoever completes the accomplishment deserves the respect for doing it, as much as they may be rivals etc.

As for United currently they remind me of us with Suarez (the player not the person) one (Bruno) with so much ability they drag the levels up of everyone else. If you don’t win anything soon he will be on a plane to either Madrid or Barcelona and you’ll be back at square one.

22 Feb 2021 22:15:29
Debt 🤦🏻‍♂️.

22 Feb 2021 22:39:50
I had your back Jay😁👍.

22 Feb 2021 22:45:28
let's not pretend like have a 4th choice CB was going to help.

{Ed0666's Note - I tend to agree mate.

22 Feb 2021 23:19:58
I thought at the time that it was a HUGE gamble to sell Lovren given the injury history of both Gomez and Matip. No one could have invisioned losing VVD for the season but the odds of losing both Matip and Gomez for a significant portion of the season is always high in my opinion. Maybe not for the entire season, but a significant amount of time for sure.

23 Feb 2021 10:15:41
Stone, it would not have changed a damn thing. A 4th choice CB is the one that rarely plays to begin with so what top or decent CB (who starts for his club every week) do you know of, that would give all that up to come be 4th choice here? A Klavan type option, IMO and why do that if we can promote a young lad to this spot with Fab and Hendo as emergency options if need be? Even Kabak who we were heavily linked with this summer was not attainable due to costs so go o n, let me know what CB we could have gotten?

Matip is injury prone and sorry, Gomez is not for obvious reasons cos his injuries are contact/ impact injuries and not cnstant niggles like Matip. Even you said that no one could have seen VVD's injury coming. Also, no one could have seen Gomez's injury coming cos he got done with no one anywhere around him, just like Van Nistelrooy ripped his ligaments during a heading drill. Things like this happen.

Also and more importantly, would signing a 4th choice CB stopped the other 3 or 4 or 5 (Fab and Hendo in and out of the team) from getting injured and being out for the season the way they did? If yes then by all means, you are correct. But if the answer is no (which we both know it is) then, we would still be down to one fit senior CB which would mean, we would have needed to sign one in the Jan window anyway. Just saying.

23 Feb 2021 10:15:54
sorry but have we forgotten how woeful Lovren was in the last few games he played for us. it seems to be that he has got better because he isn't here.
Its not just the defense we have lost but by playing midfielders in defense we then have disrupted the midfield which then has a knock on effect.
The last 2 years we were the best TEAM not individuals but TEAM, that team has been knocked out of Kilter by the injuries as there is never continuity in team selection. We will be back reds just believe in the TEAM and the boss. YNWA.

23 Feb 2021 15:51:06
Well it did end up making a difference; not having a 4th CB in the end, didn't it? Fabinho and Henderson were moved back, and that affected the solidity and creativity of the midfield. Which in turn affected the ability of the front 3 to perform optimally as they used to. Matip's injuries should surprise no one, he's been consistent with them, and if the coaching staff thought that Philips and Williams could fill in, then that's altogether a different matter.

ManC can field two teams on any given day. It's not just the money they can spend but the philosophy they have. None of this "oh, 3rd and 4th choice don't play so often, so let's just get a body in and fill the spot, or leave it vacant". They go out and spend 40-50 Million on 3rd and 4th choices. That's why they are where they are since 5 years. A serious threat and bet to win everything. And will continue to be.

23 Feb 2021 16:25:21
ArAy1969, I disagree. As I have mentioned before, a 4th choice CB is one who does not or rarely ever plays. You mentioned City. City have FIVE CB's to choose from in Garcia, Ake, Dias, Laporte and Stones. The starters are Dias and Stones with Laporte on the bench. At least Laporte (57m) and Dias (65m) will start for any of the top 6 teams. Stones (47m) will start for a few of them too, not all of them. Garcia and Ake (41m) NEVER play so where is this so called philosophy you are talking about? There is a heirachy or pecking order in any team for any position. You may call it 1st or 4th choice BUT the premise still the same. And we will not be signing players of those crazy fees to sit on the bench. Ain't going to happen so people need to move on.

Secondly, you cannot separate the two notions here. Every team (including City) have a settled back 4 and we all know what our settled back 4 is with VVD and Gomez/ Matip alongside him depending on who is fir and playing well. Lovren was behind both these players (and hence, 4th choice) and barely played in the league cos we were killing it. So what would have changed if we got a 4th choice CB this season? Nothing. And had we had the same injuries with a 4th choice CB on the books like we do now, we would be in the s.



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