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19 Jun 2021 09:35:59
I cannot believe how many times I've heard England players being world class by the pundits, even Declan Rice. Really!

Which player in that England team, based on their international tournament finals career would walk into any of the top international teams and dislodge their first choice?

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19 Jun 2021 09:50:46
Dickford? 😂.

19 Jun 2021 10:43:50
How many England players are truly’world-class’?

19 Jun 2021 11:17:34
I’m fairness we do it as LFC fans. We have a great side and good squad but sometimes we refuse to hear that another club or player has done something remotely well.

19 Jun 2021 11:38:17
Trent?

{Ed077's Note - I think Trent would get into the French national squad. And they are the reigning World Champions.

19 Jun 2021 12:35:07
Trent is the only player in there for definite, and Henderson would be in if France played a 4-3-3. Kane would compete for a spot but Benzema is an incredible player so it wouldn’t be easy for him.

19 Jun 2021 12:47:44
And it shows what a spoon we have as a National Manager that Southgate was doubting Trent. We will never win anything having Southgate as a Manager honestly its a joke. What credentials does he have? He bores me during his interviews so how is he going to motivate players. I guess we are spoilt having Klopp as our Manager but its like having a Rolls Royce compared to a Ford Capri (with only 2 gears)

19 Jun 2021 13:13:17
It’s a poor England team, no doubt about that.
But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a good England team.
I remember the golden generation well, that team was rammed full of talent, but they never played as a team. It was a bunch of individuals thrown together without a thought about tactics or formation (Gerrard and lampard? ) When you watch the likes of Germany, Italy, France, Brazil etc they look gelled and look well drilled, they seem to have a system and they all know their roles and there is back up options if a player doesn’t perform. They are not afraid to leave a great player on the bench if they are not tactically right for the formation they are playing.
England never look like a team, they look like a bunch of individuals, even when the England team is full of world class talent they never perform as a team.
England managers seem to see what good players we have and try and find a way to get them all on the pitch at the same time, southgates comment that Trent can play in midfield and that’s why he’s in the team is proof that he’s an idiot. There is no attempt to build a well oiled machine of a team, one that adds up to more than the sum of its parts, one that has a way of playing a certain way and utilises the best players for that formation, not necessarily the best players.
I think to be a successful international team you’ve got to have good players but you’ve also got to all be on the same page tactically, with a fighting spirit. England sometimes has the good players but that’s it and that’s why they are found out time and time again when they come up against a big team.
This England team though is very short on world class talent as well though let’s be honest, Trent to me is probably world class but he’s injured, as is Hendo. Kane is a properly good player but I just don’t see him doing it on the biggest stage. There are a few players like Mount who will be brilliant but I’m clutching at straws a bit here.

19 Jun 2021 13:19:35
Trent for me is the only one.
Kane would not dislodge Benzema, Lewondowski, Suarez, Aguero, Ronaldo, Lukaku and I’m sure I’ve missed a few.

Henderson maybe get a game if a team plays 3 in midfield. He would not be first or second midfield pick.
Declan Rice - world class 🤣 hilarious.

I’d rather they admit they are not a top nation by any stretch of the imagination. Appoint a young attacking manager and let him have a go. Can’t do worse than anyone else.

Give it back to Kevin Keegan for a laugh. He’d make us sit on the edge of our seats.

19 Jun 2021 13:19:46
I think Trent and Kane are world class and you could make a decent argument for Henderson too.

19 Jun 2021 13:24:38
way too much hype on England. why do the pundits etc do it.

{Ed0666's Note - they could still top the group?

19 Jun 2021 13:37:21
Henderson is a very good player but world class, come on. Now Kante is world class and is at least one level above Hendo.

19 Jun 2021 14:01:31
England are extremely good talented side and have good youngsters in their squad Southgate or w/ o Southgate they aren't champion material side.

They've got huge gaps defensively and as good as their midfield is they lack creativity. a lot of burden is put on forward players to score.

Yesterday ENG would've easily scored 3-4 goals in just 1st 10-15 minutes once they couldn't the game was getting tighter and tighter.

19 Jun 2021 14:45:36
"We will never win anything having Southgate as a manager"

No sh#t Sherlock! England haven't won a thing since 1966. Great statement 🤣.

19 Jun 2021 15:09:10
And we can only hope the continue on that trend of winning feck all Irish Rover. I've got about 14 candles lit, so that should work, right? RIGHT?

19 Jun 2021 16:14:34
Southgate is almost the personification of mediocrity. If he were a colour, he’d be beige. He’s got no tactical acumen and absolutely no motivational skills whatsoever.

{Ed014's Note - aside from being English I’ve literally no idea what he did to warrant getting the job in the first place.

So far out of his depth the Trieste couldn’t even save him!

19 Jun 2021 12:38:04
I think so too, Ed. I think Trent is a much better footballer than Pavard.

{Ed077's Note - well I would assume both Pavard and Trent would make the squad and Dubois miss out..

19 Jun 2021 17:39:54
Ha i just commented on exactly this in the previous thread. The players are over hyped, over rated and unfortunately believe they are world class. When you go into a tournament not knowing your best 11, playing players who aren't in the squad in the warm up games, changing the full backs from a winning team after Croatia, changing formations, having one goal threat and a manager w a shocking pedigree at league level (three years at Boro had a win percentage less than 30%) . Prediction: we'll go out in the last 16 or the last 8 and wash rinse repeat the hype, expectation and outcome next year at the WC. Southgate is also trying to make everyone happy too hence playing sterling and rotating the full backs. Nice guys finish last.

19 Jun 2021 21:13:01
The main problem for the English National Team is the majority of the players are selected by the media and like all bad teams it's harder to get off the squad than get on it.

19 Jun 2021 23:29:40
Just read the BBC article on Luis Enrique. Been through a lot. Did it all as a player. Doesn't ask his players to do anything he wouldn't do. Still super fit and has completed an Ironman triathlon. Ruthless in his selection; only 3 Barcelona players in his squad and no Real players. No favorites. If only we had a manager w such principles and experience.







 

 

 
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