20 Jun 2021 19:00:02
Poor neco is getting torn apart, do u think a loan move would benefit him for more experience cheers.
20 Jun 2021 19:07:55
It’s brutal but he’s never impressed me. He’s only even still here because of that first sub appearance when he came on, attacked and had a shot. Then fans said he was the next Trent.
{Ed025's Note - hes a young guy with not much experience thrown in against one of the best wingers in the game L8, bit harsh if you ask me mate..
20 Jun 2021 19:26:24
And he’s playing LWB/ LM. hardly fair on the lad to just bash him, literally nobody has said he is the next Trent.
20 Jun 2021 19:55:17
Got to be honest, being Welsh aswell, I am gutted for Neco. He is so much better than Roberts who is playing at right back.
Unfair to judge him on any performance for Wales unless he is at RB.
I am shocked we have made it through the group to be honest, but football is coming home to Wales by the looks 😂😂.
20 Jun 2021 20:55:21
His first few appearances when he broke through he looked confident, assertive and bold, then he had a couple of difficult games and his confidence seems to have tanked. I think there is something there and that he deserves a season as backup with the fans behind him to see if he can make it.
20 Jun 2021 21:38:42
Maybe if he got a lot more support from some of the “supporters†from his own club, that would help instead of the constant abuse he gets from them. Just a thought.
{Ed025's Note - thats a symptom of todays microwave supporters oli, they want instant superstars who dont make errors mate..
20 Jun 2021 21:42:27
It's early days yet. It's a good thing for him to feel the "pressure cooker" a bit. He'll begin to know, as will the team, what level of football he's made for. And he has plenty of time to still develop towards his potential.
20 Jun 2021 21:18:56
He didn’t get torn apart at all. 1-0 was the final result and Italy had hardly any real chances, all while playing against a superior team with 10 men for half of it.
He’s young and playing on the left when he usually plays on the right! Can’t please some people 🙈🙈🤣🤣.
20 Jun 2021 23:01:18
Love your response Ed025. I'm not sure what people expect.
{Ed025's Note - its one of the reasons our national sides are poor stone, the academy lads hardly get a chance mate and the ones that do get slaughtered if they make a mistake, thats the game as it is today im afraid..
21 Jun 2021 02:24:29
Playing out of position as LWB, with gunter as cover will not help anyone and to have chiesa and bernadeschi running at you for the 85 mins he was on, in all honesty I thought he did well.
Chiesa looks a real talent. EDS have juve signed him or is he going back to fiorentina.
{Ed001's Note - what do you mean? He is a Juve player who was on loan to Fiorentina. They paid £9m just to loan him.}
21 Jun 2021 06:40:16
Think it’s the other way round Ed, He is on a two year loan to Juventus from Fiorentina with an obligation to buy he does look like a fantastic talent makes you wonder how Beradi gets in ahead of him in Italian team.
{Ed001's Note - you are right I wrote it the wrong way round. He is on loan to Juve from Fiorentina for £9m.}
21 Jun 2021 06:50:18
I've never really rated neco. I'd personally let him move on. Not bashing him but just my opinion. Not good enough for us.
{Ed001's Note - he is a kid played out of position and people are on his back? Far too early to judge him.}
21 Jun 2021 06:53:43
Thought he played for fiorentina and signed a two year loan deal for juventus, with obligation to buy.
21 Jun 2021 08:38:17
If Nico was playing rb then it would have been a much fairer test. But he is having to play on the left with his inferior team down to 10 men. It will have been great experience for Nico and I hope he is getting more support from his teammates than he is getting on here. Hopefully he will get his chance at rb.
21 Jun 2021 09:04:08
Wasn't Trent getting hammered for his defending a season or 2 ago? He has improved in that area, Williams is a talent who will improve, for a back up who will play only 5-8 games probably, barring injury, i think the lad needs to be cut some slack, he has the ability just needs the confidence, maybe a loan to get the games and feel of what a hard season feels like would be good for him, but i do think he would more than do a job for us.
21 Jun 2021 08:57:42
Spot on, Ed25. The young players of today simply cannot win. Get this: The same people crying about young kids not getting a chance, are prolly the same ones slaughtering them when they make mistakes. This is the nonsense we are being afflicted with on a daily basis from these types of 'fans" or microwave supporters as you call them.
Neco is a kid trying to learn the game at the highest level for both club and country. What were people expecting? That he become the real deal overnight? And when he has growing pains (as if nobody has ever been thru that before clearly), that when he needs the support and patience the most IF you think he can be the player you think he can be.
That is what has been killing the Italian national team for years and that is what Roberto Mancini has changed and we see the results. He said Serie A managers are too scared to give kids a chance in the Serie A hence to show them up for being cowards, he picked Nicola Zanioli of Roma who was killing it with the Italy U21's YET had not even played for Roma yet. He did it to draw attention to this prob. and we now see what he has done with the likes of Locatelli, Barella, Bernadeschi, Spinazola etc.
Neco needs the experience and in order for him to be the player many at the club and Wales think he can be. He will only get better as he gets his hands (or legs) dirty and that will only help him. .
{Ed025's Note - the mentality has to change in the EPL oli or whats the point of even having academy,s?, there is nothing more satisfying for me than to see a young guy coming through the ranks and making it to the first team, of course they will make mistakes we all know that so lets have some encouragement rather than berating them when they are not the finished article..
21 Jun 2021 09:11:02
Playing out of position against one of the most exciting young wingers in Europe is hardly a gauge to measure an inexperienced player. Thought he did ok in the circumstances and he’ll learn a lot from it. Hardly like he skied a sitter, is it? *cough* GARETH BALE *cough*.
21 Jun 2021 10:15:40
Unfortunately Ed025 it’s symptomatic of the FIFA generation who see players as robots who should all do the same thing every time, in accordance with their predetermined ‘stats’. They’ve also been sucked into the negative, reactionary sphere of footballing opinion, where every single goal a team concedes has to be someones fault (never something good from the opposition), and every loss has to mean something. Everyone is a ‘fraud’, an *insert X value* merchant or ‘deadwood’. You can’t make a mistake and be a good player (it’s simply not possible) and it doesn’t matter if you don’t work hard off the ball as long as the twitter echo chamber has decided you’re a ‘baller’.
Fortunately however most of the season ticket holders in the North of England seem to still be pretty tolerant and knowledgeable about the game, it seems to be mostly a problem that is contained mostly to the internet or the London clubs. Though it is annoying that the loudest voices are often the most heard i suppose the answer is to just stay off the internet and stay away from Arsenal as well as that stupid soap opera of a fan channel that follows them everywhere.
{Ed025's Note - good post that AW, its just something the really irks me mate, fans are all clamouring for the next big name from abroad when the real art in the game is to bring through the youngsters... thats what good coaches do, there are some fine players in our lower leagues as well who should be considered and that can only be beneficial to our home nation squads, but if it is to work the mentality of the supporters needs to change imo..
21 Jun 2021 11:25:29
Spot on Ed025, i’m sure you’d agree with me in saying nowhere embodies that shift better than Everton. It started to go downhill for youse when the concept of ‘scouting’ got thrown out the window and, buoyed by the optimism of your newfound Moshiri riches, decided to buy everyone and anyone who’d looked good on Match of the Day. Managers came and went, none of whom had the patience or skill to coach lesser known players to become something more, and before you know it you’re left with a mess of a squad full of overrated mercenaries who don’t do any hard work at all, either off the ball or on the training pitch, because they haven’t had to to get where they are. All the while the fans have been complicit and encouraging in this strategy, berating less flashy players for having a bad run of form while deciding that the solution is to replace them with yet more ‘big names’ without wondering whether they’re the right players.
That’s why I don’t really get the clamour for another prestigious manager who plays attacking football, The Ev need to go back to basics and become a defensively solid, hard working team that builds from the back and gives perceived ‘lesser’ players a chance. I think Rafa could give you that, some of the other names i’m not so sure.
{Ed025's Note - to be fair AW thats why brands was brought in as DOF, yes he has made a couple of mistakes but its not an easy fix at everton as you say because of the mess managers have got us in.
I dont mind rafa myself but we need unity at the club and unless he gets off to a flyer the natives will get restless, the liverpool connection wont go away so it will be a big call if we do appoint him mate but you do make some very good points..
21 Jun 2021 16:50:07
Do you think you will appoint him? I think it would be a bad decision for fans and rafa. Poisoned chalice and one that will turn very quickly on rafa. Steer clear rafa, only one team in Liverpool and he's been there done that 😜😜.
{Ed025's Note - he is odds on to get the gig marty but i think we may see a few twists and turns before its sorted mate..
21 Jun 2021 19:53:00
I just can't see a happy ending mate, for either party. Rafa is on a hiding to nothing if he takes it. I read today that you had changed ya mind cos of the reaction and the knuckle dragging fans leaving all sorts of abuse for rafa at the ground.