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31 Aug 2021 10:36:43
Liverpool has invested huge money into the academy in recent years. Building a new training complex was just the start of the shift towards trust in youth.

We've gone out and nabbed some of the best young players in the world. Elliott, Gordon, Musialowski, Frauendorf, Pitaluga, Clark etc. Those guys could end up costing us about £15m with all the add ons etc.

Why are we signing them, if when Elliott kicks down the door in pre-season and says "I am ready" we just ignore him and sign someone else anyway? He is our Wijnaldum replacement. Klopp literally said it himself in an interview.

Not to mention all the young lads who joined as school boys and are now in or on the edge of the first team squad. Kelleher, Trent, N. Williams, R. Williams, Jones, Clarkson etc. You're talking about nearly 15 years of coaching we've invested in some of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a forward to sign today because I think the season has come 12 months too soon for Gordon, but if we can't afford one then i still think we have enough to challenge.

I really do think the club are quite obviously moving towards a new model where a lot more resource will be poured into producing or snapping up the best young players. It's absolutely the right decision with the club trained rules likely to become stricter in the future.

Let's just support who ever is wearing the shirt and trust people making the decisions know what they are doing.

{Ed014's Note - great post MK

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31 Aug 2021 10:55:23
Great Post mate. Can't disagree with anything you said.

31 Aug 2021 10:53:09
Spot MK mate. The cry babies on here if you don’t trust Klopp then we are in big trouble
Up the pool.

31 Aug 2021 11:04:05
Spot on MK - Great post mate.

31 Aug 2021 10:59:52
Big thumbs up! So many fans forget about the new stadium and training ground.

If you look at the squad and the youth team now this is probably as strong as its ever been in the Prem.

We may or may not win a trophy this year but I'm quite confident we won't be on a downward spiral anytime soon.

{Ed025's Note - spot on max..

31 Aug 2021 11:07:34
Great post Adam 👍.

31 Aug 2021 11:14:48
Nice post MK mate. However, IMO to leapfrog Man Utd EPL collection trophies is also a priority to be achieved by LFC. And we have great opportunity under Klopp now.

31 Aug 2021 11:21:28
Great post mate. My question to you is, do you think there will be a massive injection of cash in 2/ 3 years when Klopp leaves, to replace all these 30+ Year Old players on new Deals at once, or are we using the Arsenal method?
Because we sound like the little Arsenal fella with the headphones and Bob Hat pretending everything’s fine.

{Ed002's Note - Where would this cash come from?}

31 Aug 2021 11:22:00
I’ve tried to stay away from this site since Saturday because the whining and reactionary negativity has simply been too much for me to handle, i’ve never seen anything like it before on this site especially over an absolute non-issue.

However, i agree with everything you’ve said above guys. The Eds have already spoken before about the need for us to start recruiting from within more and i agree with that wholeheartedly. At the end of the day we’ve signed a top centre back (which was the main priority) and moved on a lot of the players we’ve been trying to move on for years. There’s still quite a few who need to leave today but we have at least cut down on our bloated squad and given us some room to work with in the future.

We do look a bit light up front and in holding mid but it’s hardly apocalyptic is it. We shouldn’t be signing players for the sake of it and drawing 1-1 in a ruined game against a top Chelsea side doesn’t mean we need to sign Traore (god that one tickled me) . The only great option out there for me is Bissouma and as for forwards there isn’t really anybody that stands out. Players such as Keita, Ox and Minamino will have to fill in the gaps and try and contribute something positive as we have been unable to move them on. I have an optimistic hunch that Minamino may have more to offer yet than we believe, and perhaps Gordon can break into the team as well.

You never know, we might sign someone yet and hopefully shut up all the moaning children. All i know is that Liverpool drawing a game, United signing a good player and Traore running really fast are not justifications to throw the baby out with the bath water. We have it so good we don’t even realise it. If you don’t think we have it so good then please tell me how we could make it better and who you’d bring in to make it so, actual players that are out there within reach, and with what money. CV has hit us hard and hopefully this is the last summer we’re left reaching down the back of the couch for pennies. No matter who comes in or leaves we have an amazing team for both the present and the future. Use your noggin. Calm down. Support the lads.

31 Aug 2021 11:22:59
Other clubs are doing that too. Do you think utd city Spurs Chelsea aren’t signing 15-17 year olds they’re calling the best young players in the world? They’re doing that too doing that isn’t new we’ve done it for years it just rarely works with hindsight and it is very easy to paint a nice picture with a crystal ball. Emika obi, chirivella, canos, ojo, rossiter, smith, McLaughlin, ibe, Brewster were the last generation of young players that were all the best in the world at their age that were going to save the club millions etc and yes some of them sold for very good transfer fees which made the club money but most of them ended up nowhere. It’s not possible that Gordon Elliott musalowski all make it at lfc and all play in the first 11 as first picks for a season, it just will not ever happen. And I’ll tell you that our first team midfield in 2-3 years time will never ever be Elliot clarkson and Jones. These things don’t happen. The bulk of our first team squad while we are an elite club will never be based on players from the academy. Building for the future when we no longer have the best manager we will ever have, when we no longer have the best center back we will ever have, best winger, best goalkeeper and probably best full backs we will ever have is a waste. Why not use the players we already have that are the best and build on that and making that able to win and compete. Then when the grass isn’t greener than the last 3 years in the next 3 years atleast we can say “while we were at the top in every aspect we really tried to cling onto it and keep winning” not “we were at the top people were talking about us and city potentially dominating for a decade but actually we only won 2 proper trophies and then everyone caught up and overtook us because we wasted it all planning for the future rather than competing in the now”.

31 Aug 2021 11:27:27
Let’s hope when these young players are given game time fans don’t jump on there backs like has happened with Neco.

31 Aug 2021 11:54:00
Exactly Jezza we live in the present not the future. Football waits for no team.

31 Aug 2021 11:56:47
It's a stonewall guarantee that some will jump on the youngsters backs.
You only have to read some of the idiotic posts about Curtis Jones on here in the last week to realise the inevitability of that.
It seems to be the only pleasure some get, winning and being successful doesn't do it for them.

31 Aug 2021 11:57:05
Bang on Adam. May common sense prevail!

31 Aug 2021 11:58:44
I think we failed to pass our first real test of the season by not beating Chelsea when we had an opportunity. They’ve literally given everyone a blueprint on how to take points off of us at home, and I’m not sure that we have an answer to that anywhere in our squad. Only time will tell if relative inactivity in the transfer market will prove a good or bad decision.

We are also going to be disproportionately affected by the red list debacle and AFCON, so just hoping things will work out seems a little naive, in this context top four will be an achievement this year as I think circumstances are likely to contrive against us to be champions.

That said, it’s better not to spend than waste money on the wrong players.

31 Aug 2021 11:59:59
How much have fsg paid you to say this. But wait …they are cheap.

31 Aug 2021 12:06:14
AFCON, red list, quarantine, injuries etc etc etc they are all factors to consider when building the squad but are not reason why we add a 7th attacker or a 9th midfielder.

31 Aug 2021 12:06:58
What should we do then Jezza go out and get a loan of 500 million and go splash the cash, pay ridiculous wages and in 5 years time end up in barcelonas shoes?

Im perfectly happy with the squad no issues I agree with MK maybe this year its a chance for a youngster or squad player to make the step up. Support the team through thick and thin and we will see where it all ends up.

31 Aug 2021 12:11:08
Jezza i fully take your point, but what i would say in response to that, if you look at that generation we do have Gulacsi, Coady, Suso, Kent, Alberto, Canos and Sterling who are all now established players albeit not at our club. And maybe we lacked patience with a few of them. Alberto, Suso and Gulacsi in particular.

Additionally though, the move to have the academy and first team at the same training complex cannot be underestimated in terms of importance. It's huge in that it allows the younger players to see the way they need to eat, train, behave etc. to become elite athletes. It's equally as vital though that our acadeny is more accessible to our first team coaches now. It's easier to bring a 16 year old up for a session or two.

All these little things help. I'd also argue that whilst we always went after top talents, the absolute cream of the crop usually went to Man City or Chelsea. Our current generation have won and lost the FA Youth Cup final twice in the last few years. That shows we have a good group right now.

Speaking of Chelsea, you say that top clubs don't ever have several in their squad. Well how do you think Chelsea are spending all this money? They made over $100m on the sales of Abraham, Tomori and Guehi. All youth players. Not to mention the likes of James, Hudson-Odoi, Chalobah, Gilmour and Mount in or around their first team squad.

In my opinion, we cannot compete with Man City's owners (other than PSG who can? ) but we can look to the model at Chelsea as a blueprint for financial success. It's built on buying and scouting top young talent and then either moving them into the first team or selling them for huge profits.

31 Aug 2021 12:31:44
Great post, although i can see both sides of the argument. We probably could have done with a signing or two in ceetain positions but i also hope these top talents we already have (gordon for example, im convinced will be a star) come through to hopefully help us stay at the top.

31 Aug 2021 12:35:36
I fully take onboard everyone’s point of view on this subject. I am more in the camp of we are so close to winning more major honours it would be a massive error not to bring in Bissouma and almost guarantee number 20. I have a horrible feeling that by the time the youngsters are ready Klopp will be off.
If we could get Bissouma in then we just need a forward next season.

31 Aug 2021 12:44:52
I agree with almost everything you’ve put there Adam. My point was not that these young players of the current generation won’t at some point have a worth I pointed out that we had sold some for exceptional money. Chelsea do the same thing on a more regular basis which you correctly point out funds their transfer business. My point is that they haven’t stopped that, we aren’t nessacarily signing players that would have signed for our competitors. They’re still signing the best young players for their academies too. Chelsea won the youth cup something like 3/ 5 years the previous years before we got to back to back finals for example. My point is when these guys are at their absolute peak I don’t expect our collection of parts to be as good as it is right now. No klopp no van dijk no salah. So while we are planning for the future when imo it will be weaker for us Man Utd are planning for a future where if they’re turd they’ll sign the best player in the world and change it in an instant, Chelsea are planning for a future where if they’re average they’ll spend 200m and be back competing, city will spend every window and never really have a dip. In 2 years we will have no money (because we aren’t sitting on a pot of gold here make no mistake, we aren’t keeping our powder dry for another day or a different player we have no powder) and our assets will be worth nothing so we will have a rebuild with no money a new manager and owners who still can’t compete. The future is not brighter we have peaked or if we’re lucky we are still there for this season. At some point someone has to pay for a rebuild start it now and have the chance to have a season where we really compete again.

31 Aug 2021 13:31:49
Mark, the problem is that bringing in a player doesn't guarantee anything. This is the mistake that especially liverpool fans make time and time again. There are no guarantees in sport, either way. Getting caught in absolutes is no way to form the basis of a debate.

{Ed025's Note - see naby keita..

31 Aug 2021 13:47:49
First of all we have only one midfielder that is a starter that is fabinho
All others are either injured, out of form, don't really work against teams that sit back. So this argument of 7th choice midfielder is non sense.

31 Aug 2021 14:13:06
I think some people are lying to themselves to be honest. In my opinion, it hasn't been a great window for us. Especially as our rivals have all strengthened considerably.

That being said, I'm not going to throw my toys out the pram. Days when Liverpool has a game are and always will be my favourite – made better with pizza. Simple pleasures in life.

{Ed0666's Note - which pizza and how much pizza?



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