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13 Sep 2021 15:02:57
Greetings Ed01, trust you are well. Wanted to pick your brains a bit.

Right after the Elliott injury and the pause in the game, I noticed Klopp walking a few meters into the field and having a few words with the referee, Pawson. Clearly, he was emotional, judging by his hand movements and body language. And then he turned around and walked back to his box.

I will not speculate as to what they talked about, nor even bring up if Klopp was trying to influence the ref. in any way. We all know Klopp can be a highly emotional man, especially given that (I'm sure) he had a lot riding on Elliott for this season. What interested me was that Ed0666 wrote here that the Ref's Association stated that VAR was not used, and that the refs decided on the field on the red card. Given that a foul was not even called at the time, what prompted the decision for the red? And your thoughts on Klopp being able to walk onto the field and talk to the ref, mid-game?

{Ed001's Note - Klopp should not have gone on the pitch and, by rights, the ref should have sent him to the stands, but he applied common sense I think. The game was stopped and often you see managers and staff step onto the pitch to give instructions out at those times, so it is only dependant on what he actually said as to how the referee should react, imo. Clearly he didn't feel that Klopp was out of order with his words, so no action needed to be taken.

The lack of VAR is an odd one, it should always be used to check a decision like that, that is the ruling. I can only think that no one wanted to sit and watch the incident over and over again due to the nature of Elliott's injury, which would be understandable as I certainly wouldn't want to do that. As for the decision to award a red, it was the linesman who was right by the incident that called it, apparently. Whether he actually saw it or just saw the result of it, I couldn't say.}

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13 Sep 2021 15:28:27
Thanks Ed01. Agree with you on Klopp not being able to approach the ref. But we all see the rule not being respected all the time (Mourinho and Conte and their antics, Guardiola going up to the refs at half time etc etc) . I'm surprised too by VAR not being used, but if the linesman was able to make a call, then it should be good enough, I would assume. Looking forward to your review of the game.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

13 Sep 2021 15:33:03
I can’t help but agree that I wouldn’t want to watch it over and over either. But it needed to be done. There are elements to all of our jobs that we don’t like doing, but we don’t get paid unless we do it. Refs needed to do their jobs here. I don’t think it was a red and the decision reduced Leeds’ chances to all but 0.

Gutted for Harvey. Threw my arms on my head as soon as I saw Mo’s reaction. It’s a cruel game sometimes.

13 Sep 2021 16:00:26
When u see someone suffer a grave injury football ain't important anymore mate. the match wasn't the same as before after that injury. didn't carry same excitement. but mane definitely needs to finish better. he will cost us one day with so many misses if he doesn't change that soon.

13 Sep 2021 17:15:25
It's just such an unfortunate incident. Normally I want to jump on the perpetrator but I just can't. It was a clumsy challenge from what seems an honest lad. I even feel sorry for him. Just a crappy piece of bad luck. Hopefully he comes back stronger.

13 Sep 2021 18:39:06
How many of you were on the live chat and saw the "colorful" language that was used at the time of the incident, LOL? Everyone is being polite and controlled out here and expressing just shock and dismay. It was (funnily) much less so out there. 😉😆.

13 Sep 2021 19:00:20
ArAy I think a large part of the concern about Gini leaving was his resilience and the fact that he was never injured.
Lo and behold, after only four league games, (one of) his replacement/ s has gone down.
We’re now into the two games a week round and things will get tougher here on. We badly need Henderson and Milner to stay fit now.
I hope it’s not going to be the central defence nightmare of last season played out in midfield this time.

13 Sep 2021 20:09:47
Juicer, I see your point, but I would still say that we are prepared enough and have enough on the bench to put out a midfield that will play to Klopp's satisfaction. A contingent of Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago, Milner, Oxlade Chamberlain, Keita and Jones is 7 vying for 3 spots. In attack we have a group of 6 fighting for 3 spots. So I think we're okay there too (barring injuries) ; if anything goes wrong the next transfer window is 3 months away .

The only excuse I can think of (for a repeat of last year's results) is playing poorly.

13 Sep 2021 22:11:45
is that a new rule to not replay the incident on TV? was it due to his age?

What I find difficult to comprehend with regards the referee's report is that it just doesn't corroborate with anything that happened live at the time. We can't see the linesman on the near touchline so don't know if he is waving his flag or not, but clearly there is no indication from the refs that they think even a foul has occurred to stop the game. So how have they gone from no foul with the live information, to red card using their recall of the same live information?

how many more of these kinds of challenges will go unpunished, even without serious injury, because of the way the refs are inclined to play on?

13 Sep 2021 22:49:12
Juicer, not sure why Gini is being brought up cos it’s not like he would have survived such a challenge and frankly, I’m sick of hearing about a player who I bet some of those crying about him being gone, prolly never rated him to begin with and wanted him gone prior to last season. People need to let it go cos it’s becoming tedious and boring now.

14 Sep 2021 04:20:53
shivers Juicer, never mind we have 7 midfielders left to fill the void that the mighty Harvey Elliot has left.



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