23 Sep 2021 08:22:34
Just throwing this thought out there. But Ox is poor. Never been anything like the player he was before that unfortunate injury. He did enough up to that to have me backing him. But he's alongside Keita now for me. Needs to be sold. Not suggesting he doesn't give his all or doesn't have desire. But just not good enough. Seeing Jones, now Elliot and Morton's cameo on Tuesday I'd put those three ahead of Naby and Ox and one of us injured.

23 Sep 2021 09:34:13
I wouldn't say he's poor. He just needs more game time to get back to his best and that's the issue, he's too far down the pecking order to get game time. A loan out for him this season would've done him the world of good in my opinion.

23 Sep 2021 09:53:26
OP, Ox needs more game time, like Salah said. The guy has rarely played football at this level for the past 18 months so you cannot expect him to be in any kind of form after such a long period away from the game. Give it time, man.

23 Sep 2021 10:04:30
Op if am completely honest yes he was poor on Tuesday in fact probably the worst player on the pitch but as salah says he would need game after game to get him anywhere near back to where he was before his injury. I’d also throw in there his position. I mean what position is he best at.
Ive no idea if he is a high earner I guess he is but if there’s a kids that can take his place then am all for it. This mite sound harsh but that’s football players get injured and some never recover fully.

23 Sep 2021 10:18:44
Is there still a reserve league or under 23 league that these guys who need game time can play in every week whilst they are not in contention to play on a weekend.

23 Sep 2021 10:26:47
Ox may be playing poorly but he is not poor. There is a difference. As above you have to trust he can get back to where we was which will always be difficult with minimal game time. Let’s not forget Hendo, Milner and Thiago are no spring chickens. We could do much worse than keeping Oc and giving him the opportunity to get back to where he was. I would have been happy to see the back of Keita in the summer but to be fair to the lad he was been consistent and reliable when he he played so far this season, filling the Gini void and offering more going forward in my opinion. A bit loose in possession on occasion but he’s only now at the age and maturity that Gini was when we bought him. People forget that. If he continue to improve we may finally have the player we thought we were getting several years ago.

23 Sep 2021 10:49:05
Liverpool (Klopp specifically) have chosen to stick with Ox through his injury problems when the cold-hearted logical decision would have been not to renew his contract after his initial bad knee injury.
I agree with Westwood above, the lad is a good player and needs games, which he’s likely to get this season in any case.
It was only a few weeks ago that people were crying out for Divvy to be sold, now he’s looking much much better after more minutes.
Don’t forget too, that what amounted to a reserve team game at Norwich in the league cup is hardly a huge incentive for players like Ox and Naby. I know that a game is a game, but you can understand why their motivation may have been lacking a touch.

23 Sep 2021 10:51:48
Westwood, I fully agree with your points about OX. Keita, tho? Not sure I agree. Keita is still playing the same way he has always played as in, lazy out of possession, not tracking runners that run off him and is absolutely lazy when tracking back.

Those traits are STILL there in his game and maybe people are giving him a pass cos he has been absolutely dreadful since he arrived and he is now being graded on a curve BUT I still see what I see and he has not improved on any of those bad traits, IMO. I just think Klopp knows this and is just trying to or get whatever perf. he can get out of him and work with it.

As for Gini, not sure he would have gotten as many games as he did last season IF we did not have the injuries we had in midfield. Just my take.

23 Sep 2021 11:13:27
Your take Oli?
Funny that Ed001 mentioned the same thing a few days ago 🙄
I agree with you both though, Gini probably wouldn’t have played so much.
For the same reason that needs must, we’ll see Ox and Keita turn out regularly this season too I guess.

23 Sep 2021 14:20:28
So he agrees with ed1, what's the issue with that juicer mate? I do, very often because he knows what he's talking about and at one point on here it was an issue with me agreeing with somebody who knows their stuff lol can't make this sh*te up.

23 Sep 2021 15:40:38
I said during the live chat against Norwich that I think injuries have taken their toll on him, which is really unfortunate because he could have been a quality player. I mean he's still good, but he looks like he's lost a step or two.

23 Sep 2021 16:49:50
Juicer, this may be foreign to you BUT it is very possible for two people to actually see the same things. Also, I have been saying the very same things about Naby for the past 18 months as well as how disappointed I am in his play over time cos I was a huge fan of his after spending a season watching him before he came to us. But hey, I guess I have to disagree with the Ed's on here (which I do when appropriate) just to prove what to you, exactly.?

23 Sep 2021 18:35:07
Rumour has it Naby is going to turn down his new contract offer.

23 Sep 2021 18:48:13
Ox needs games to try and get his form back. He was very poor 1st half but in fairness put himself about and genuinely looked like he tried just poor passes etc.

The hope is that he can fully recover from those injuries and become the player he looked like he could be before his injuries. Whether or not he can is up for debate but I really hope he can, def a likeable player tbh.

23 Sep 2021 21:01:00
I think the injuries have taken their toll on ox I think he’s finished personally!
If it’s game time him Keita and origi should be playing weekly in the reserves or what ever it is!
Hanging around the 1st team sitting on the bench is a joke there’s being fit then there is match fit! Origi Keita and ox are neither.

23 Sep 2021 22:49:15
JK23 from what has been attributed as comments he has made over the past 2 or 3 years I’d say the rumour should be that it’s Keith’s agent who will turn down the contract if we are soft enough to offer him a new one.

He will need to be quite the salesman if he can get his client as good a deal as he currently has with us based on his performance levels for us.

24 Sep 2021 00:24:28
Your probably right Oli that I am comparing Keita favourably given his previous form. I suppose I always try to be optimistic that a player can turn it around, ultimately I just want to see players doing well in a red shirt so I suppose I can be a little blinded by that. Keita hasn’t been so terrible that I have completely lost that hope though and I will see any upturn in form as a positive. Only twice in very recent memory have I wanted players out of the club based on shocking performances, those being Karius and Lovren. Keita simply isn’t in that bracket yet for me.

24 Sep 2021 08:45:54
WDW Is Keith any good and what position does he play? He sounds like an old school target man to me. Hoping he gets a few goals in Jan for us when the main boys are away 😜.

24 Sep 2021 17:58:26
Forget what I said about Keita above. Injured again for Christ sakes. Blokes made of glass.