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13 Jun 2022 13:52:37
Hi Ed001, with the imminent departure of Mane, the likely departure of Salah next year, and Firmino having his contract end at the same time, do you think this could have been handled better by liverppol? Or is this just the way it is? I mean they have been 3 great players for us, and of course all good things must come to an end, I just wonder if liverpool could have made better decisions for the timing of contracts etc. so that all of this didn't happen at once.

{Ed001's Note - yes, there is always something that can be improved on and having them all on contracts that ended at the same time was a clear error and a very obvious one. But that is one that Edwards made, among many imo. No group of players in the same area of the pitch should be coming to the end of their contracts at the same time. It is another of the basic rules of football that people often forget.

We should have either extended Mane sooner or sold him last summer, imo. I have been saying it a while, we needed to get the front 3 sorted out much sooner. But then we might not have been so competitive if we had sold Mane, so perhaps this is better than selling him last summer and Salah this. The ideal would have been, for me anyway, to have got contracts running out in different seasons, rather than having to deal with this mess in one go. Mane was on the least of the trio, so it would have made sense to deal with his contract much sooner than we did. But the club has to make sure they are never in this position again. This should have been taken into consideration when we dealt with contracts. Hopefully the new guy will do so in future.}

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13 Jun 2022 14:30:10
I don't know much about players' contracts but it is a concern that two out of the front three could be relatively new signings next season. And the season after it could be all three.
Also, how will it affect Salah no longer being the main goal threat?
Good players usually work it out between themselves though.

13 Jun 2022 14:37:35
Plans were probably not helped by C.V. situation either. We may well have cashed in on one at the end of 19/ 20 season but every club put recruitment on hold.

I’d also argue that long running Haaland and Mbappe speculation and the continued PSG vs La Liga saga perhaps distracted the clubs that would ordinarily have wanted to buy them.

13 Jun 2022 15:41:03
Salah's 2nd contract was signed in his 2nd season and that is the one which is running out now so it could be said that we should have waited another year to have him sign his 2nd contract. On the other hand after that debut season I can't blame them for having him sign an extension so quickly.

13 Jun 2022 15:48:51
I don't see why it is a reason for concern, Rigsby. Firmino signed in 2015. Mane in 2016. Salah in 2017. In the 17/ 18 season they recorded their highest combined goal return of their time together in the time.

So Jota, 2020, Diaz, 2022, Nunez 2022 and whoever replaces Salah in 2023 would be a similar spread in terms of hiw quickly they'd be assembled.

Storm in a tea cup. All great teams have to be shaken up every 3-5 years. We've extracted blood from a stone getting nearly 6 years out of the Mane, Bobby, Salah trio. Rooney aside, how many of Fergie's great forwards lasted more than 5 years?

13 Jun 2022 16:08:14
MK, if our next three are as successful as Firmino, Salah and Mane we'll be ok. The concern is the not knowing. Can we compare how Diaz, Nunez and AN Other will settle and gel to how Firmino, Salah and Mane did?
Norbert knows what he is doing though.

13 Jun 2022 16:37:00
I think you answered your own question, Rigsby. Jurgen Norbert Klopp. If he was leaving i'd be concerned but i have every faith he'll get it bang on.

My thoughts are Elliott replaces Salah in 2023, Carvalho plays in behind Nunez, and Diaz runs the left side. Jota replaces Origi as the new versatile super sub who can slot in to any of those 4 positions.

13 Jun 2022 16:55:48
I hope you're right, MK.
I suppose I need to see more of Diaz, too. I've seen bags of promise but I need a lot more for him to be another Mane.
Elliot to replace Salah, eh? That's a bold call. Again, I need to see a lot more of Elliott to see that happening.

13 Jun 2022 16:55:48
I hope you're right, MK.
I suppose I need to see more of Diaz, too. I've seen bags of promise but I need a lot more for him to be another Mane.
Elliot to replace Salah, eh? That's a bold call. Again, I need to see a lot more of Elliott to see that happening.

13 Jun 2022 18:44:20
I honestly think C.V. stopped us investing in planned long-term replacements / big new contracts after we won the title. It was just impossible for any business reliant upon a live in person audience to invest in the future - unless a business bankrolled by a nation state. Which explains why City and Chelsea did so well during the lockdown season. I think we managed that economic storm pretty well. I am an idiot when it comes to economics, but I still don’t understand how a debt bought club like Man U continues to spend so much on transfer fees and wages. Is it all purely borrowed against the club’s value?

13 Jun 2022 18:43:49
The new players don’t have to be replicas of the old ones. In fact it’s better if they’re not as long as it works.
Diaz, Nunez and Salah for next season sounds very tasty to me though!

13 Jun 2022 19:12:23
We have a finite amount of money to spend so why not have Elliot replace Salah, and then go big on refreshing the midfield instead of buying another forward?

13 Jun 2022 19:16:59
Of course not, Beckers, but there's no denying that our front three have played a major part in our successes under Klopp.
We may strengthen elsewhere like we did with Alisson and van Dijk.
A top class midfielder or two might compensate for a drop off from the front three.

13 Jun 2022 19:22:19
I agree with MK on this one. All except for Elliot replacing Salah. Klopp’s like his forward line l, especially the inside forwards, to be quick as lighting. Same here with Mane and Salah as it was at Dortmund with Reus on the left and that polish chap (can’t remember the name. Began with a B) on the right. Elliot is good but not stupidly quick so can’t see that one happening. He’ll end up in midfield I reckon.

13 Jun 2022 19:35:32
As mk said every player times come to be replaced don't know why it's difficult for some fans to understand.

We got 6 yrs from our front 3 in modern football when they were signed in their 25s what do you expect?

The time has come for Klopp to build and prepare for next phase sentiments in football has no place. Ask ed1 how Ruthless was one of the greatest manager in our history and English Football hence we achieved so much success.

13 Jun 2022 19:48:13
Yeah that's fair enough Westwood. I don't think Elliott's lack of blistering pace would be as much of an issue in a 4-2-3-1 though. Especially not with how fast Diaz, Nunez and Carvalho are.

12 months is a long time in football either way. I just have a feeling that long term Elliott replaces Salah and we go big on a midfielder next summer. Whatever Klopp does or whoever he signs, i know it'll work out fine in the end.

13 Jun 2022 19:57:16
Agree with Westwood666 here, I think (and hope) that Klopp replaces Salah with another flyer.
I’ve seen absolutely nothing from Elliott to suggest that he’ll get 20 goals plus a season.
That’s not a slight on the lad, I like him further back in midfield now that I’ve seen him there.
The downside to a 4-2-3-1 is if the wider players are not quick, the whole thing becomes very formulaic, boring as hell lol and that’s not Klopp’s way thankfully.

13 Jun 2022 20:26:18
I don't think Elliott would need to get 20 a season if we were playing with a No.10 and an out and out striker like Nunez. It almost becomes a 4-4-2 at times when you play like that.

Mane and Salah needed to score 20+ because Firmino didn't score much more than 10-12, and our whole midfield was workman-like barely good for 5-10 goals between them.

As i say, it's just a hunch of mine and 12 months is a long way away. My thought process is that Carvalho is going to be a baller well worth playing to the strengths of. Can see him breaking into the first XI very quickly. If we did end up playing with a No.10, Elliott does not fit into a holding duo, but he is also going to be too good to drop in my opinion. He might surprise a few with his quality in the wide areas/ link up play with Trent. Give him another season under Salah's tutelage and i think he'll explode.

These two Fulham lads (Elliott and Carvalho) are going to be lynchpins in Klopp's next phase in my opinion. We shall see though. Might not be the plan right now but sometimes a gem comes along and makes themself un-droppable. Trent can attest to that.

13 Jun 2022 19:26:00
Having said that Ed which I agree with mate I am looking forward to a front 3 of Diaz Nunez and Salah mate are you?

{Ed001's Note - very much so.}

13 Jun 2022 21:09:45
I don't think Elliott or Diaz are likely to get twenty goals a season regularly. Nunez and Salah, yes.
I think that's why we will need a Salah replacement.
I'd love to be wrong though.

14 Jun 2022 02:20:07
I agree with Ed that ideally we wouldn’t have had all the front three contracts expiring at the same time (beyond just the replacements issue I’m sure it would have made renegotiations more complicated with each forward looking at the other)

Having said that, the club has at least dealt with the problem proactively, with Jota coming in early and now settled, Diaz with a few months under his belt, so we’ll still be able to start with a front three from Diaz, Jota, Firmino or Salah, and Nunez can take a bit of time to adapt to the league (if required) . By next season, he’ll be fully settled if Salah goes.

14 Jun 2022 05:41:17
Funny you think Elliot can replace Salah even though they are completely different players and play different positions. Both are left footed so they will of course be one and the same. Elliot is a CM. We will 100% sign a Salah replacement because its definitely not Elliot.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair Elliott did play the same position as Salah before last season when he was converted to midfield.}

14 Jun 2022 07:15:13
Elliot is phenomenal don't get me wrong but not a RW in a Klopp system. But you're right about him being converted.

14 Jun 2022 09:09:55
Elliott is a RW who can play in midfield. He played RW for a whole season at Blackburn and was a star player in the whole Championship. He also played there for England u21's the other night and was the best player on the pitch in a 5-0 win.

He may yet end up being a CM though so i'm not atguing with that. It's not yet set in stone. But my point was based on far more than them both being left footed.

14 Jun 2022 10:53:11
By the end of next season Gordon could well be ready to step up! huge talent.







 

 

 
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