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24 Jun 2022 10:43:19
Here's something handy that I just saw:

July 4 - First day back at Kirkby
July 9 - Fly to Far East
TBC - Open training in Bangkok, Thailand
July 12 - Man United (Thailand), 2pm
July 14 - Open training in Kallang, Singapore
July 15 - Crystal Palace (Singapore), 1.35pm
July 16 - Leave Far East - likely head straight to Germany or Austria
July 21 - RB Leipzig (Germany), 6.15pm
July 27 - Red Bull Salzburg (Austria), 7pm
July 30 - Man City (Community Shield), 5pm
July 31 - Strasbourg (Anfield), 7.30pm
August 6 - Premier League starts - Fulham (A), 12.30pm

*All times BST. (And I can't vouch for accuracy)

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24 Jun 2022 11:17:07
See this winds me up. Klopp loses all of his credibility when he moans about too many games for players, when they get dragged back in less than a month after the season finishes and packed off to 3 or 4 different countries to play 6 games in 24 days. You can't criticise FIFA, UEFA, and the FA for their greed creating too many games and then cram in a load of cash cow tours around the globe for "pre-season". I'm sure a lot of this was commercial decisions Klopp had little choice in but either way it's still going to be embarrassing the first time he moans about International games eating away at mid season breaks.

24 Jun 2022 11:31:15
Pretty intense schedule from the off in what will a strange season with the World Cup right in the middle. But the boss and his staff of experts know best when it comes to managing performance levels.

24 Jun 2022 11:54:04
MK I 100% get what you’re saying but I think in this day and age with private flights and the squad depth it isn’t as big a deal as we might think.

For 1 these players won’t be queuing in airports for hours and they will literally be on a flight for a couple of hours in luxury and then will share the minutes out of game time no differently to what they would if they were playing friendlies in Melwood.

I think the biggest part of this for me is it gives fans who cannot get to Anfield the opportunity to watch the players they love and support first hand.

It would probably be easier (might even be cheaper) for me to get a flight and ticket in Germany and Austria than it would be for some to get a home league game at Anfield.

I agree though that you cannot have your cake and eat it and not just Klopp but any manager cannot moan about it.

Players are starting to moan as well recently but they get paid mega money a week 52 weeks a year whether they play 0 or 2 games. If the players were paid purely on appearances I’m sure the amount of fixtures they play would no longer be a problem.

24 Jun 2022 11:58:19
MK, There is a balance. tours to Asia, USA etc help in the growth of the club and ultimately revenue, profit and reinvestment. without these tours our global supporters become marginalised and separated from the club. It is a financial decision sure but with C.V. there has been a lot less travelling to these places. For many supporters there it is the only chance to see these players live.

As for International games, which klopp has moaned about. Check the numbers, I think that has already increased by 5 or 6 games a season with the Nations League, and now with expanded world cups, proposed 2 year cycles etc I don't really believe a tour pre season if a week or two compares to an additional 6+ International games a season.

As with most things klopp is being protective of his players and club. It is for infantino etc Al to argue the other way.

24 Jun 2022 12:02:39
I agree with you MK. Not forgetting the carbon footprint, which also gets overlooked. What's wrong with just going to Austria, as an example, and travel by electric coach!

24 Jun 2022 12:11:07
Not real games though are they Adam, they are training sessions that are filmed at best.
We need a decent preseason schedule anyway I think, settle in Nunez nice and quickly.

24 Jun 2022 12:13:15
They are only 45 minute games with barely any intensity. International football is the scurge of the game and needs sorting out. Klopp moans about competitive matches being too close together for valid reasons. He has every right too when we play so many games in a season. UEFA and FIFA need to reduce international crap for the good of the game. And the FA could stop bowing to TV company’s for kick off times. Only saying!

24 Jun 2022 12:18:04
People are forgetting that it won’t be the first team playing all the games, perfect time to see how some of the promising kids do and the likes of Elliott, carvalleho, jones etc. plus it’s to try and gain their fitness. The first two or three prem games are always sluggish as the players are getting back to full fitness.

24 Jun 2022 12:24:01
Scousenouse I’m sure the tv companies would be happy to reduce the money they give to the premier league by half a billion if they didn’t get their say in KO times.

I’m sure the clubs would have something to say then.

As they say money makes the world go round. If players and clubs were happy to take a huge financial hit then they could play as little games and at any KO time they wanted.

24 Jun 2022 12:26:06
Having lived abroad in Oz and NZ, these games are vital in giving international fans a chance to see their heroes. Not all fans live in the UK. Some of the Aussie LFC fans are extreme and spend thousands a year on merchandise and they only get one chance in pre season (if they're lucky) to see the team play. The stadiums are always a sell out, 90,000 at times, so i see no problem at all with the pre season.

{Ed0666's Note - we’ll said mate

24 Jun 2022 12:38:05
I get that they're a "necessary evil" in terms of commercial revenue steams so not going to argue any of the replies saying as much. I'm just highlighting the hipocrisy of then moaning about international friendlies where our players often only play 30-60 minutes. They're just as important commercially to the footballing bodies. Either moan about all of it, or none of it. My maths was bad as well. It's actually 6 games in 19 days. So a game every 3 days as it stands.

Just feels hypocritical to me for club managers to get all agitated by the international calendar but say nothing about stuff like this.

24 Jun 2022 12:52:51
Stuie, there are people in this country who can't get to see us. Like I say, Europe's a big place, stay closer to home.

24 Jun 2022 13:02:34
Don't we often play two different sets of players per half in our first few pre-season friendlies? The tempo is obviously going to be less too, so I don't see what the problem is.

24 Jun 2022 13:53:09
Rome - not really, I could a ticket to an LFC match right now if I wanted it, yes it would cost me a fair whack, but I wouldn't then be paying for a flight from Australia, Hotel etc. Football is an international sport and the club play in Europe every season. Don't give the excuse that you can't get a game, becuase you can if you really wanted to. It is narrow minded to think the club should cater just for fans in the UK, heck, why not just stop the Liverpool border and say you have to have a Liverpool postcode to go to a game.

24 Jun 2022 14:24:23
Imagine comparing 4 competitive international games at the end of a long season to a preseason tour where the games will be glorified training sessions and players will play 45 minutes maximum. ??‍♂️.

24 Jun 2022 13:45:12
As an aside and a question for the Eds probably……

How do we decide which pre-season friendliest we wish to take part in and who would primarily make the final selections on preferred opponents?

{Ed002's Note - Often their are commitments to sponsors that see games played in the Far East or America. Some games are played against local sides when there is remote pre-season training - or other sides training at the same or nearby facilities. Then some clubs are happy to take part in sponsored pre-season round robins. It varies club by club who makes the decisions, but typically it would be nothing to do with the coach.}

24 Jun 2022 14:42:57
Stuie, I have access to tickets and get to home games and some away, I wasn't including myself. My argument was one of carbon footprint and flying around the world to earn a few quid. It will never stop, I was just raising a point.

24 Jun 2022 14:50:28
They’re friendlies with unlimited squad sizes and unlimited subs where mostly kids and fringe players will play nothing to complain about here 45 minutes of a friendly every 8 days and a few hours sleep on a plane in 1st class isn’t going to harm anyone. Freakish injuries and muscle fatigue aside they will sail through. However make the game competitive or feel like it’s competitive then that’s where the risks come.

24 Jun 2022 14:59:15
Rome mate I’d imagine there’s probably thousands and thousands of flights a day every day for 365 days a year. Liverpool not flying to the Far East or Germany will be a drop in the ocean.

You only have to look at the footprint the world leaders leave when they go to discuss such matters, it’s a bit of a joke from the top down.

24 Jun 2022 15:22:05
JK, I agree with what you say, you are absolutely right. I will long be dead when the result of our actions are truly felt. The powers that be say one thing and do another, including football clubs. And I'm an hypocrite because I enjoy foreign holidays. Like I say, I was just raising a point to create debate as much as anything.

24 Jun 2022 16:35:17
Klopp hasn't lost all of his credibility though.

24 Jun 2022 17:08:59
Don't find it hypocritical at all. If the first 11 played in all these games for 90 minutes I'd agree. But these are all heavily rotated training matches to get them back up to speed after a break. If there weren't pre season games they'd just have them behind closed doors and make no money off them.

What I disagree with is uefa making another tournament in the nations league that really wasn't needed imo.

24 Jun 2022 17:13:49
Not sure it's the same thing at all mk. He can make 11 changes at half time and mangage the players minutes how they want and play youth players without consequences. I actually am not sure your comment was meant ironically or not. The intensity can also be managed ans used to help players fitness rather than hinder it.

24 Jun 2022 18:09:31
Sheesh. All I was trying to do was help those who are eager to see the club play (on TV) during preseason, like me. Never imagined it would turn into a debate on existential zeitgeist of huge proportions. ?.

24 Jun 2022 19:30:07
ArAy you lost me at"existential zeitgeist"brother.

24 Jun 2022 19:35:40
ArAy, thanks very much, mate. All the best to you.

24 Jun 2022 19:35:44
Say klopp has lost credibility to the youngsters getting to play in front of packed crowds litterally adoring them. Some of those youngsters won't make so will have them memories for the rest of their lives along with the fans in those countries.

24 Jun 2022 19:40:38
MK really think you’re overreacting here. All clubs have to have a pre season and these ones are no different to the mid season break the teams go during winter to a warm weather country. The only reason the clubs afford to do these trips is because it is pre season and by nature is low intense with nothing on the line. I think you’ve misunderstood the nuance of the point about the schedule.

24 Jun 2022 20:27:04
Barry, I got lost much earlier than even my post, LOL. Basically, I posted a travel schedule. Then we got to why travel, then who travel, what travel schedule, how come travel schedule, etc etc etc. You get what I mean. That's existential zeitgeist.

24 Jun 2022 20:39:10
Massive overreaction from a few on here. They’re pre-season friendlies which I very much doubt the manager has very little influence over -aside from normal managerial duties.
I would guess these tours are organised by commercial departments to best market “the brand” and fulfil sponsorship agreements.
Doesn’t take much for some to get on their soapbox to initially rant about loss of credibility around fixtures, only to turn it into an environmental awareness campaign in the same thread.

24 Jun 2022 20:48:27
ArAy I'm still no further on but thank you anyway ?.

24 Jun 2022 23:01:28
Klopp is in my top-5 favourite people alive outside my personal family/ friends, but he, like every sane person on Earth, has his own agenda. Like every other person, he also has to "lie" and be hypocritical at times, because you cannot do 2/ 3 press conferences a week without sometimes having to contradict yourself blatantly or implicitly.

When the quantity of games is against Liverpool Football Club's interests then he goes out to the media and complains about the number of games. Yes, he truly cares about player welfare, but he will not criticise the club in the media like he criticises the UEFA and FIFA. It is part of his job brief to promote good PR for the club.

He also says a lot of things which just don't make any sense. Before last season the domestic cup games were a low priority for him, but he could never accept it publicly, so he used to rest the first team players while claiming that he had selected the best team to win the game. We all knew it was nonsense, but we accepted it, because the moment he accepts publicly that the cups are low priority, pitch forks would be out against him.

We should just accept that Klopp is a man with the highest personal ideals but he is a very small cog in a huge, ruthless money-making machine.

24 Jun 2022 23:19:24
Thanks for the response to my earlier question re pre-season fixtures Ed02., and in particular the confirmation (of an assumption I had) that the coach wouldn’t be the primary decision maker.

25 Jun 2022 01:13:10
MK ADAM You’re not overreacting at all, the travelling is incredibly detrimental to the fitness of the players.

Where you are misguided, is by blaming Klopp. He’s not a manager in the historical sense. He’s the head coach, he has no say in running of the club, or the commercial decisions that dictate where the squad goes in pre-season.

I can’t believe he’s happy about it himself.

25 Jun 2022 10:13:32
Again, not blaming Klopp. Just highlighting the hypocrisy of most club managers when they moan about international friendlies. I also never mentioned the post season nations league but apparently people can't read where i specifically stated international friendlies in my 2nd reply. At no point have i said we shouldn't play these games. I just dislike hypocrites. Don't moan about your players being carted all over the globe for International friendlies and then keep quiet when your club side gets forced into the same thing by the commercial team. There is no difference between a club friendly played at half pace with 11 subs, to an International friendly played at half pace with 11 subs. So yeah, it's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

25 Jun 2022 10:28:42
Ah come on Adam. Going from Klopp loses all his credibility to not blaming Klopp is a bit of a stretch mate. ?
Whilst I don’t agree with your initial post, you should stand by your convictions. It’s all about opinions mate. No need to slate people for inability to read when they disagree with you.
Always enjoy your posts without necessarily agreeing with you mate, but a little bit of humility and sense of humour when others don’t share your views would be cool.

25 Jun 2022 21:25:51
Very welcome Rome1977.







 

 

 
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