15 Jul 2024 08:59:39
Hi all, does anyone know what will likely happen with regards to a ban for Nunez and the rest of the players involved in the crowd the other night? I'm hoping it's international only and not domestic club football.
15 Jul 2024 11:08:04
I’m pretty sure it will only be a club ban if fifa intervene, deeming the Conmebol punishment to be too lenient
I have no idea why they should be subject to any kind of punishment though.
15 Jul 2024 11:10:47
It will depend. CONMEBOL are apparently investigating around 11 members of the Uruguay squad regarding the incident. Previous comparable incidents are the FA giving Dier a 4 match ban when he did it in the FA cup and Neymar got a 3 match ban last year from the FFF when he punched a fan after losing the French cup final. Following this precedent you would expect CONMEBOL to issue a 3 or 4 international match ban however, the investigation may highlight extenuating circumstances (protecting his family who were in danger due to the Colombian fans) and possibly even let him off with no or a lesser ban.
The other option is of course that FIFA wade in like they did with Suarez and give him a 4 month ban!
The short answer is, who knows.
15 Jul 2024 13:00:22
Neymar's ban, I think he deserved it. But this, I don't think any of them should be banned, or maybe at least just a few match bans.
The focus should be more on why the security wasn't present during that time.
15 Jul 2024 13:12:21
If he gets a ban, it could do us a favour. The club should enroll him in finishing school for however many months he’s off.
There, he can learn etiquette, stress management and expected behaviour while under pressure – and perhaps…. maybe just maybe they can finally teach him how to hit the back of the net!
15 Jul 2024 13:34:10
The Colombian fans are claiming that the Uruguay fans were the aggressors and have released footage from phones also.
Both sets of fans are blaming each other and claiming to be the innocent parties.
Its been claimed Nunez and the other players were defending their families so we'll have to see if throwing throwing punches whilst the families were stood on the pitch is deemed as necessary force.
I'm not sure how they are going to defend Nunez trying to throw a chair into the crowd as self Defence though. I'd imagine if he'd thrown that chair its just as likely to hit a innocent bystander as it is a troublemaker.
Its def not a good look though for the WC in 26 with fans from all over the world there.
15 Jul 2024 14:26:31
From what I have seen, we are dealing with a sport where violence isn’t exactly a stranger. In footballers you have the aggression on the pitch that can be defended, as the sport somewhat demands it - but more often than not we are dealing with violent conduct that, outside of football and for any average Joe, would in most cases end in arrest, sentencing, etc. I’m talking the headbutts, legbreakers, face elbows, so on and so on. It gets somehow rationalized, but the fact is, we are dealing with people who learn this behavior, put it to practice and are protected behind the sport. But then you see too many cases, where they take the violence outside the pitch, into their homes, onto the social structures where it doesn’t fit and never should.
In the case of Nunez, he is aggressive and violent, as we have already seen before. His head can go, and this is the case of many many footballers. No matter who were the aggressors in this case and whether it was to protect their family or not, violence should be struck down on with hard bans. That’s my opinion and nothing might change that. You will never have a good reason to headbutt someone, let alone throwing a chair into a crowd of people. So many of these players fit outside the norm, they are multi-millionaires, in some cases nearly untouchable (at least in their own eyes), and if violence like this gets rationalized, it only further adds to the already unfit behavior and conduct that a footballer might so often get away with. It is a toxic environment that should be improved, both in the stands within the supporters, but very much also for the players.
15 Jul 2024 15:28:39
Great post LBR. In total agreement.
It is easy to lose sight of the day-to-day impact of footballers behaviour on the outside world because their clubs constantly make excuses for them.
If you cannot face the time, don’t do the crime.
15 Jul 2024 17:37:47
I'm not sure there is much violence at the top end of football as we see or hear about in the grass roots game.
I think there is very much a difference between being headbutted and going head to head with someone.
I'd probably say its physically impossible to be headbutted and walk away without a single mark or scratch yet these elite footballers are left unmarked with every so called headbutt we see in the game, that's not me condoning it but i also don't like seeing these players go down holding their faces like they've been shot by an elephant gun.
I think for the good of the game they should start introducing HIA's because with the amount of times these players go down holding their faces for their own safety they shouldn't be allowed to play on.
15 Jul 2024 18:55:45
I think to call Nunez “aggressive and violent” is a bit much. Sure he plays aggressively or another word would be “competitively”. He’s no Vinny Jones, he’s no Roy Keane and he’s no Luis Suarez.
I’m not his number one fan, but let’s be fair to him.
We don’t know the whole story, let’s see what the authorities say.
I certainly agree he can lose his head, and it looks like he has here, but he’s not a violent thug going around looking for trouble. There seem to be mitigating circumstances which we don’t know the full extent of, but if your kids safety is being threatened, how professional would you be?
15 Jul 2024 19:09:26
But why are everyone's eyes focused just on Nunez? Does he waltz into the stands after every game and try to see if he would make it in the UFC?
I think you have to take a far more comprehensive approach to it and widen the circle because that's probably how you take care of the problem for the mid to long term. This was not an event that involved only one individual. Study the entire series and sequence of events and go after every miscreant; enough videos are more than available given stadium and fans cameras record everything. And then keep narrowing it down. Start with banning the city where it was held from hosting future competitions, then go down to the team or teams that participated in the ugly events with a ban of some kind, then the fans if identification is possible, and then finally the individuals. This is how you get rid of the problem (this has worked in the past) . Anybody thinking of starting something will already know there will be consequences.
15 Jul 2024 10:21:55
Daretodream based on what I have read last week, Darwin is not getting a ban of any sort for now. However, about 11 other players are still under investigation so let's wait and see.
In terms of the nature of the ban, it will be international as that was the setting the incident happened in. Also, that could very well be made global, as well. Again, let's wait and see.
16 Jul 2024 06:42:33
Cheers for clearing it all up Oli.