16 Jul 2024 18:50:05
Hello ed1 hope u well. I would like to see trent get a run playing midfield for lfc, it's being talked about for a long time but he's never got any sort of run playing there, bits and pieces but nothing worth. Do u think trent playing for England in midfield and it not going well (I didn't see 1st 2 games he played so I'm only going on reports) will effect slots thinking on playing him there? I also noted, if I'm correct, that slot said in his 1st interview that he doesn't play 4231. If he doesn't play 2 sitting I wouldn't be in favour of trent playing as a 6 in a 433 but if 2 sitting I think trent as 1 of them could work a treat. i don't think trent switched on enough defensively or aggressive enough to play as a 6 on his own. What do u think? Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - impossible to say until we see how he wants us to play. In the past the full-backs inverted to become the deep-lying defensive midfielders, so none of the midfielders did that job. But he might not decide to go that way with our squad.}
16 Jul 2024 19:17:43
Ed001 - assuming he stays who you starting at right back Bradley or Trent? Connor is a fantastic attacking right back and so well balanced with his asset but Trent has that X factor no one comes near to.
{Ed001's Note - it depends on how the team is being set up to play.}
16 Jul 2024 20:51:04
I be think Trent would be better right midfield/ right wing I don’t see a centre/ defensive midfielder there.
{Ed025's Note - im with you there Jaydee, he could even be a stand in for Salah on the right possibly mate, but as you say not in the midfield..
16 Jul 2024 21:52:00
Trent isn’t good enough on the ball to be a winger. He can open teams up if given time and space with his passing range but he’s not going to go past people higher up the pitch.
He worked in our old 4-3-3 system because he came forward into space. The inverted system was used so he could come inside and be a spare man in space.
He’s just not the best when pressed, he invariably gives up possession which is why he can’t play in the midfield. Klopp knew it and I’m sure it was tried many times in training and friendly games but it never worked.
In theory Trent should be a good midfield player with his passing range but he’ll need to improve massively on his press resistance because you just don’t get the time in midfield.
{Ed025's Note - i suppose im trying to shoehorn Trent into the side somehow BP, i dont think hes your best right back or fits in midfield...so what do you do with him mate?..answers on a postcard..
16 Jul 2024 21:52:19
Should be Fascinating to see what Slot goes with ed.
Excited for pre season just to see what shape/ style we line up with. Shame we won’t see Trent/ Gakpo for a while though because I think they’re the proper questionable ones. You think there’s any chance we’ll try wingbacks under Slot?
16 Jul 2024 21:52:19
Should be Fascinating to see what Slot goes with ed.
Excited for pre season just to see what shape/ style we line up with. Shame we won’t see Trent/ Gakpo for a while though because I think they’re the proper questionable ones. You think there’s any chance we’ll try wingbacks under Slot?
{Ed001's Note - it seems unlikely, it is not something he has tried before.}
16 Jul 2024 23:46:58
I’d just let him play as a natural full back and break assist records again.
17 Jul 2024 00:35:41
If Slot likes the total football approach whilst having Fullbacks invert to DM, is it not feasible that Trent and Bradley both start and interchange positions, one being the RB that moves to DM, and the other being the right sided winger? They could swap, interchange on the fly to suit their strengths depending on the game momentum and confuse out of the opposition. Just a thought.
17 Jul 2024 00:53:27
Getting a bit bored of the Trent debate to be completely honest.
With a few exceptions, there is no player that is completely infallible. Some of the stuff I'm reading about Trent is just making my mind wobble.
Walker is supposedly the best English fullback but constantly gets caught out again and again and again. Luis Diaz, who is apparently is surplus at Liverpool, rang absolutely rings around him and caught him out of position multiple times.
Just like Trent, just like any other great fullback can be prone to doing. And Walker is a complete nothing in the attacking third. His pace is his best asset. I'd never in a million years have Walker over Trent at fullback in my team.
17 Jul 2024 06:11:21
Ed01, do you like Trent as much as I do? You know what I mean haha.
{Ed001's Note - I love Trent, he is probably the best player at the club. I don't understand why anyone would be happy to let him go when he is just approaching what should be his peak.}
17 Jul 2024 07:44:23
Faith, I was a bit shocked to see Walker named in the team of the tournament. Thinking back, I honestly can't think of a standout performance from him. He didn't really offer anything going forward apart from running very fast, saka rarely seemed to use him as an outlet and instead came inside.
I personally also think walker was responsible for the two goals conceded in the final, yet he was never singled out in any analysis. Don't get me wrong, he is obviously talented, you don't have as successful a career as he has had without being so, but it just seemed out to me how he gets so much praise. Imagine if Trent was playing RB in the final, I have a feeling he'd have instantly been singled out for leaving so much space on the right etc.
17 Jul 2024 08:16:19
On Walker, Man city doesn’t come up against Spain or any team that has two world class wingers in the league.
Spain have Williams and Yamal on either side who are Prime Mane and Salah. They can destroy you with shear pace.
Nobody talks about how crap Saka was for both the goals. Offering zero help tracking back.
England had kids in their midfield compared to Spain who has (Ruiz, Rodri, Olmo and Zubemendi) .
17 Jul 2024 08:18:21
Stuie, you’re not wrong, I think Walker was entirely culpable for the Spanish goals. He literally went missing for both of them. Personally I think the whole “team of the season”/ “team of the tournament” is a pointless exercise and meaningless accolade, the fact that Walker was put into one pretty much hardens my view on that.
As for Trent, I don’t see him as a midfielder, or at least not one you’d want sat in front of the defence, he could be the greatest attacking right back ever alongside the likes of Cafu and that’s where I see him.
17 Jul 2024 09:17:49
I don't think how someone performs in a Southgate setup is much to go by in all honesty. We would all think Declan is crap based on this and he is far from that.
Give the lad a run of games in midfield in pre season and see how he gets on.
17 Jul 2024 10:15:03
Walker was behind Embolo for the Swiss goal too…. just saying he gets himself in some really bad positions and relies on his pace to get back.
17 Jul 2024 10:17:50
Yeah Viktor, I agree with you. Let Trent do what he does best and stop shoe horning him into a MF. It must be so frustrating to be part of that England team, the pinnacle of international football bar the WC and you don't even really get a game, and not just Trent. The likes of Toney, Bowen, Gordon etc. I thought Mainoo did well but he was anonymous in the final. Must be difficult sitting on the bench knowing you're never getting called upon unless there is an injury even though those ahead of you are underperforming.
17 Jul 2024 11:01:28
Jaguar - Lamine Yamal was in midfield for Spain for most of the match. If he is not the definition of “kid in midfield” then I don’t know what is. And if Pedro had been fit he would have been in there too!
We had Mainoo and latterly Palmer. Both th gave good accounts of themselves throughout the tournament.
Kane, who is no kid, was probably our worst player. What is your point because I am struggling to see it?
17 Jul 2024 11:11:40
Again I don’t think it is managers shoehorning Trent into MF positions. It is more down to where Trent wants to play and I believe he wants to do that as a midfielder.
17 Jul 2024 12:01:06
Yamal and Williams are Spain’s wide players. Spain fielded Rodri / Fabian / Olmo in midfield and later Zubemendi. You could argue Pedri instead of Olmo. I am referring to experience here.
England had Mainoo and Rice.
17 Jul 2024 12:37:53
Thing is Irish, we’re a football club, not make a wish. He may well want to play there, but that doesn’t mean he should. Beckham was exactly the same, wanted to be in the middle of the park but when played there it never worked. There isn’t one top side where he starts as a centre midfielder, as a right back he gets in ever side as there isn’t a better attacking right back. He should focus on the player he is then waste time on something he isn’t.
17 Jul 2024 12:50:11
The answer for Trent is play him at RB again and have him covered when he goes forward, how he played when we had the best attacking fullbacks in the world, he should be made captain now to keep him.
17 Jul 2024 13:02:33
spot on Viktor.
17 Jul 2024 13:48:59
VV, Walker has been at fault for goals like that lots of times at City BUT cos he name ain't Trent, you prolly never knew that. Goes missing a lot in those exact situations a lot.
As for Trent, he's going to have to show us he can play in midfield. if not, it's back to RB for me, IMO.
17 Jul 2024 16:56:24
Williams and Yamal are brilliant young players. But they are not yet, and weren't in the Euros, prime Mane and Salah!
The very suggestion is beyond laughable.