09 Sep 2024 14:37:52
Edd001 have you heard kellehers comments yesterday about his position, him wanting to leave to become no 1 elsewhere and pointing out that club seems to have gone in another direction regarding the new goalie we bought. Very interesting. Did you ever think kelleher was good enough to take over from allison eventually?
{Ed001's Note - no, he never got the first team football to make the step up. He needs the regular game time to improve.}
09 Sep 2024 15:19:48
Last season he had 26 appearances for the first team.
Alot more experience gained than previous seasons.
I thought his performances were overall good, a few mistakes made but they were overshadowed by some excellent saves.
Only problem Kelleher has is A Becker.
09 Sep 2024 15:29:50
Really surprised he didn’t leave this summer to be honest. Says he wants first team football but won’t leave for it.
09 Sep 2024 15:14:27
That said ed do you think marshmallow or what’s his name is good enough or will be good enough? Or do you expect when Allison does decide to move on, we go looking for someone else?
{Ed001's Note - from the footage I have seen, the new guy can't kick a ball and struggles to catch too - unless he vastly improves those areas, he is not suited to our game.}
09 Sep 2024 16:41:13
Well Kelleher was the difference between Ireland losing 6-0 and losing 2-0 on Saturday. He'd play at basically any Premier League side apart from ourselves, Man City and maybe Spurs and Aston Villa. He'd walk into the team at Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea, for example.
Alisson is the best goalkeeper in the world. No one would displace him.
09 Sep 2024 16:45:09
I watch Valencia regularly Ed have for a long time as I developed a soft spot for them in the early/ mid 2000s. He’s a brilliant keeper. He’s the sole reason they weren’t relegated any of the last 2 seasons and if they stay up again it will be because of him. If he isn’t the Alisson replacement he will still end up playing every week at one of Europe elite clubs.
09 Sep 2024 16:47:08
I don't think it's Kelleher's fault that he didn't leave in the summer. If I recall correctly, there were a few offers for him but all of them were rejected by the club.
09 Sep 2024 17:04:45
Reguardless, think the bigger point is WHY are we signing a goalkeeper at 30 million when we have the best goalkeeper in the world?
09 Sep 2024 18:13:26
I said over a year ago that he looked a far better keeper than Ramsdale. For the life of me I don’t understand how Southampton forked out £25 million for him and not buy Kelleher instead. He’s not Allison but certainly better than Ramsdale.
{Ed014's Note - I thought I was reading the United page for a minute with all that my keepers better than your keeper bollox ?♂️?
Kelleher would walk into the Arsenal team ???????
09 Sep 2024 18:39:02
Perhaps because Kelleher wants to leave Mizer?
A couple of seasons back we had Adrian as our back up keeper and it cost us.
Kelleher is the best back up keeper we’ve had in my lifetime and Ali is the best keeper we’ve had since Clemence. It’s such an important position that we’ve struggled with since the 70s.
We had to rely heavily on Kelleher last season and thankfully he did well but he isn’t going to sit around on the bench forever.
Now we are all whinging that we’ve brought in more quality in the position?
I don’t get it?
09 Sep 2024 18:42:21
You couldn’t have been reading the United page Ed014 because their goalkeeper is an absolute donut mate ?.
{Ed014's Note - and that’s being polite about the clown! ?
09 Sep 2024 19:27:04
I think Kelleher is a perfectly capable goalkeeper but he's never looked good enough for a team that wants to win the biggest prizes. He's now stated he's been wanting to leave for a number of years and Liverpool have already signed his replacement. I don't understand what is confusing about this.
09 Sep 2024 19:48:12
We've got the best 'keeper in the world but it's a position we've struggled with since the 70s?
Are you being sarcastic again, BP? ?.
09 Sep 2024 20:18:37
Ed14, Ramsdale is not a good GK, Im sorry. Never rated him even way before he came to you. Now I know a lot of your fans love him for the season you guys challenged for the title in 22/ 23 out of nowhere. You know who else was like that and was loved? Simon Mignolet who many of us loved for the 13/ 14 season where we should have won the title. That's all emotional, IMO. When it came down to the brass tacks of actual goalkeeping tho, Mignolet was severely lacking. Ramsdale is the same, IMO.
Mignolet is the type of GK who will cost you a goal at the start of the game and then keep you in the game with a brilliant save, all in the same game. Just like Ramsdale. Sorry, you can't trust these guys if you're trying to be essentially perfect to win a title vs City you know, like we did. Cheers, man.
{Ed014's Note - Ramsdale isn’t our keeper Oli so all a little irrelevant mate.
He himself admitted he can’t concentrate for 90 minutes which kind of did his own legs, he was however streets ahead of Mignolet.
More than happy with Raya and Kelleher wouldn’t walk past him into our starting 11, he’s a decent number 2 who could have a career away from you, just a shame they didn’t let him leave.
09 Sep 2024 17:25:22
I actually think Kelleher is a better stopper than Ederson, but Ederson adds so much value to City through his footwork. I really hope kelleher ets a good move somewhere and is able to consistently show how good he is. Really love the guy.
09 Sep 2024 21:04:08
Until we signed Ali Rigsby. Again I thought that went without saying but obviously not.
Has the general IQ on this site dropped or something? I don’t remember ever having spell things out as much as I have recently.
09 Sep 2024 22:18:41
It could well have dropped, Pecker.
When you say since the 70s, you mean the years that you think we struggled in? Are you not including the 80s, the decade we dominated English football and won a couple of European Cups or did we do that despite struggling with our goalkeepers? Are you not including the Pepe Reina years? He was a top class goalkeeper. Do you think he struggled for us?
Dudek was ok and won trophies with us. He wasn't Alisson or Reina's level but we didn't really struggle because of him.
09 Sep 2024 22:41:59
I can't speak for the 80’s but I started supporting Liverpool in the early 90’s when Bruce Grobbelar was Gk and was by then throwing out suspiciously poor performances.
David James followed and Im sure he can't be put down as a particularly great success as he was given the nickname ‘calamity James’ before being replaced by Sander Westerveld. Tony Warner should probably get a mention here as he played a few games when James was injured or particularly out of form.
Westerveld was a decent keeper and had one pretty good season but sadly loss of confidence or something else and he was soon replaced by Jerzy Dudek, who again looked like he could establish himself as first choice for years to come before that performance against Man Utd took not only his confidence but everyone else's in him.
Benitez first brought Chris Kirkland to the club as a young goalie, along with a very young Scott Carson but injuries meant Kirkland just couldn't get a run of games in the first team and one or two dodgy goals conceded did for Carson.
Then we have probably the second best goalkeeper of my time supporting Liverpool. Pepe Reina. Loved Reina, great shot stopper, great facing penalties, surprisingly good command of his area for a goalkeeper on the short side of 6 ft and not bad with his feet.
He was however pretty erratic and had a habit of rushing out of his area when not needed and a penchant for costly errors.
I may be forgetting someone here but I feel that next up is Simon Mignolet who was a good shot stopper and pretty terrible everywhere else as a top level goalkeeper and after him, last, and perhaps least is poor Loris Karius. I don't think much needs to be said about him.
So after that retrospective, Im inclined to agree that at least since the start of the 90’s, all the way up to Alisson, goalkeeper is definitely a position that Liverpool have struggled with. There have been players who have looked capable as number one’s and I think Reina of all of them is the only one who was secure in his spot for more than a season or two at most.
The club should be looking to keep Ali as long as they possibly can.
09 Sep 2024 23:09:40
Jerzy was a great keeper but unfortunately international tournament with Poland wrecked his confidence when he had a disastrous game and the coach just kept playing him and it got worse and worse, by the time he came back he was ruined.
09 Sep 2024 23:45:50
@Mizer, CK wants to leave. - he has said as much on and off for a couple of years now. He, and seemingly the club, doesn’t believe he has a future at the club.
In 2018, when he was 25 years old we signed Ali for around £66m.
In 2026 Ali’s contract will be up and chances are we will possibly / probably need a successor, and given the ever spiralling transfer costs, it is not unreasonable to expect we wouldn’t get much change out of £100m for a world class keeper.
Coincidentally, in 2026, Marmalade will be 25. He seems to have a growing reputation as an excellent prospect and gad a very promising Euro Championships in the summer. I take the point that he has a way to go in his development and going back to Valencia on loan now under the watchful eye of out goalkeeping coaching staff gives us time to particularly work on the relatively weaker elements of his game.
As I say, we paid £30m for a goalkeeper in 2024 when we might (probably) have needed to pay @ £100m in 2026. It seems that opportunistic is a dirty word but I think that’s the case here. We have taken proactive steps to preemptively address a potential risk before it becomes a problem both financially and squad strength. Just as an example - a lot of people desperately wanted us to buy a midfielder this summer and we couldn’t get one because the only one we went after turned us down. Could well have been the same outcome with the need for a top notch keeper in 2026.
09 Sep 2024 23:52:40
Semi, FYi, Houllier bought Kirkland. Kirkland and Dudek signed at the same time (same day IiRC) which was a bit odd!
09 Sep 2024 23:53:10
Semi - Houllier signed Kirkland, not Rafa. On the same day we signed Dudek no less. Westerveld later said they signed both cos something came up in Dudek's medical and so we opted to sign Kirkland instead. But the club was already too advanced in the Dudek deal to back out and thus we ended up signing both of them. With how badly run the club was at the time, that could well be true.
Kirkland got a run under Houllier when Dudek started making errors in his 2nd season, but then he got injured.
Rafa instated Kirkland as 1st choice for a while when he arrived. But then Kirland got injured again. Carson was bought as a backup with potential to improve when Kirkland got injured. He's still on the books at Man City, I think.
Reina at his peak had one bad game a season (FA Cup final. Game against Everton the following season. The Arsenal CL game in 07/ 08) which was kind of odd, but he did far more good than bad and was one of the best keepers in the league. After Rafa and Xavi Valero left, he didn't get on well with Mike Kelly and Jon Achterberg and his form dropped. Then there was the whole thing whereby Barcelona told his Dad they'd sign him and turned his head, but then Valdez extended his contract so they lost interest in Reina.
Even in that state he was miles better than Mignoletagoalinagain though. Really didn't understand that signing. Fair enough we needed a keeper, but surely there were better options available than Mignolet? He had an 18 month run where he'd concede from the first half decent shot against him.
09 Sep 2024 22:08:46
Ed014 the bigger point is whyba 30 million goalkeeper was bought when we have allison. Allison has another 4 years atleast in him at the top. Allison is the best in the world.
{Ed014's Note - and from what I read Tris doesn’t rate him that much, somewhat crazy!
09 Sep 2024 22:33:12
Ed14, I know Ramsdale is no longer your GK and no, he is not streets ahead of Mignolet either so let's not go overboard here. They are the same level but we can disagree on that.
As for Kellerher, he is more than a decent GK in terms of his talent, IMO. Had he gone to a team say 2 years ago that plays the way we play, he would have been way better than he is now which is already very good for a guy that does not play enuff to hone his talent. Kellerher more than held his own in Alisson's absence last season and won us another trophy, as well.
I hope he will go next season as he would have one more year left on his deal and bless his heart. I think will surprise a lot of people who think he can't hack it on his own, forgetting that he has shown he can do the business. And most importantly, just cos he is sitting behind literally the best at his position on the planet.
{Ed014's Note - nowhere near the same level ??
Just for your info I prefer Edison?
10 Sep 2024 06:16:29
Why wouldn’t you prefer Edison? He invented the light bulb.
10 Sep 2024 09:56:02
Edison and Kellerher ?.