15 Sep 2024 00:44:41
Finding the post match chat a bit revisionist.
I recall, many, MANY abject performances like this under Klopp and Mr. Intensity Ljinders
The application wasn’t there today
There was lots of room of improvement after our 3-0 start and no different after today’s performance and result.
15 Sep 2024 01:39:43
It's put a downer on everything for me mate, I was really chuffed the football was back and then we go and lose like that? it's done my head in because we should be beating them, we're miles better, we all know we are so why are we playing that badly? it makes no sense to me. I hope it's just a one off but I am concerned. Losing any points in this league, especially if you're near the top of the table, every single point is important and we're gifting Forest 3 points purely because the lads out there today couldn't do what they're capable of. I'll put it down to a bad day but it's not good enough. We need to step it up big time, if we don't we're in for a long season ahead.
15 Sep 2024 03:53:06
We still have no attacking patterns of play. Just reliance on improvised individual quality. Even against Man Utd, all three goals came from loose play in the middle of the park and counter-pressing rather than a coordinated, systematic attacking. Both goals against Brentford were counter-attacks as well.
Whenever we attack, the players don’t fully seem to know what to do, so there is a lot of split-second decision-making, which inevitably leads to poor decisions and scruffy finishing.
We were infuriatingly bad yesterday.
15 Sep 2024 06:48:22
Too many players were collectively poor. cr#p actually.
Seems they felt they could show up and win or play poorly and the crowd would spur them on.
Now we will see how gritty our manager is and how ruthless. Jota has been poor last 2 games so hopefully there is a switch around upfront. Dom is also not producing enough either.
15 Sep 2024 06:55:31
I’m putting it down to the international break.
The players looked jaded.
This is a new regime, it takes years to build consistency so when you you have an enforced break, playing different football with different team mates it’s going to throw you a bit. We’ll be better next week.
Plus other managers are watching Slots team and making plans to counter him. It’s going to be a tough season overall.
{Ed025's Note - come on Ron jaded??, its 4 games in mate not 44, bad day at the office i will have or even over confidence but that was poor mate, lets not try and make excuses for lethargy..
15 Sep 2024 07:33:59
Salah after international breaks plays really poor. Just hope this time he finds form faster then after afcon last year. He struggles to sprint past his guy or find a simple pass. After the start he had a thought he was back to his best.
15 Sep 2024 07:55:19
The 1 positive I would take from yesterday was that i don't think we can play as badly individually or collectively again, and as dreadful as we where allover forest still didn't create any good chances til v end. Defensively we definitely much better. hard to find a positive buts that's 1 for me!
15 Sep 2024 08:01:06
Yep, ‘jaded’ isn’t cutting it. A lot of Liverpool fans always look for the tiredness excuse and it’s poor. If the players are jaded after 3 games then they need their contracts voided and to be told to retire because clearly they can’t cope with professional football.
We lost because we have no attacking structure and simply turned up expecting an afternoon stroll.
{Ed025's Note - i agree Lowe..
15 Sep 2024 08:11:15
We still struggle to create against a low block despite having players with individual skill and we still get bullied by physical teams. Yates slapped all our midfielders about in the first half and there was no fight, no one giving him a bit back. It happened last season when we played Everton and it happened in the first half against Ipswich. This is nothing new. What was strange was Salahs inability to pass the ball to a team mate for 95 minutes. I lost count of times he cut inside and laid it off to one of their players. Dom wasn't great either. Also giving the ball away all the time. The connection was off. Hopefully this was just a freak game from Mo and he'll be back to his best but at least we will have Chiesa in future for if this happens again.
15 Sep 2024 08:58:50
I find it amazing that we watch sports for many years, follow this club most of our lives and we’re still surprised that our team can turn in a stinker.
Sport, like life, isn’t linear. Bad day at the office, people should expect a few this season given we’re a new team. And especially given we had many many many days like this under Klopp, even after years of being at the club.
15 Sep 2024 09:11:28
People really need to adjust their mentality. Panicking about one loss is mental. We were never ever going to win every game in the season and we're always going to have a loss or two.
15 Sep 2024 09:13:32
Everything was a bit off yesterday from the players constantly getting their weight of pass wrong or playing it behind eachother in the final third, to the atmosphere in the ground. It was weird from the start.
I hate this stupid international break just after the season starts. It did seem to have an effect on the feel good factor and initial momentum.
Hopefully, it was a bad day at the office, but I do hope Slot realises most teams in this league will play in a low block on the counter against us and be happy to get even a nil nil draw from the game.
That's what I worry about when I hear he wants players to take more touches and pass teams to death. We need to play quick and incisive to break teams down. I get he wants control but if you see an opportunity, you have to take it because if not there will be 11 men behind the ball within a few seconds. Once we have the lead, we can be a bit more patient and pick them off.
On a brighter note, we've still only conceded 1 goal in 4 games. City seem to be conceding every game like we were last season and that came back to bite us in the latter stages. It's early in the season too, no team will win every game.
15 Sep 2024 09:21:29
Yep a terrible performance, we have to hope that it was a one off. The crowd doesn’t help either, totally flat.
15 Sep 2024 09:28:37
Watched everton game yesterday ed25, thought they unlucky in fairness. Dcl had 2 massive chances at 2-2 [I think] and then Duran pops up with a screamer from miles out.
{Ed025's Note - unlucky only goes so far Digger mate, lack of concentration and application is my biggest worry and we have that in spades..
15 Sep 2024 09:40:42
Switch Jota with who?
Mr. Chaos? The guy is a super flop. I can’t believe we even had a debate between Nunez and Haaland.
@Ron
Arne Slot himself has come out and said that the international break had no influence.
15 Sep 2024 09:43:50
Sometimes as crap as you are you just have to say fair play to the opposition.
Forest had a game plan, executed it brilliantly and thoroughly deserved the win. On the day we didn’t have an answer. The end.
Its Slots job to understand why we didn’t have an answer as that’s the difference between him potentially have a good run as Liverpool manager or probably not seeing the season out.
15 Sep 2024 09:52:36
I agree Lowe. Additionally Ron we praise them when they win and we critique when they’re beat and they were damn poor yesterday. I was at the game, the fans were frustrated, with the result of course but generally with the approach. We were cocky and overconfident and were beaten by a team who looked quicker, more aggressive and just wanted it more. Ironically whilst not his best game I thought Gravenberch (a player I’m sceptical of) tried to do the simple things. But as a whole very poor. Whilst I’ll be shot down for this Strolloszai’s demeanour and decision making generally is woeful. He has an engine yeah, but his “cuteness” in play is a liability. He got bulldozed yesterday. We missed Elliot in his position who is no nonsense. I’d be starting him when he’s fit because Szob ain’t done much to convince me and this is on the back of this season and last.
15 Sep 2024 10:26:17
I think szoboszlai was not great on the ball but he still was pressing and getting about well. The problem with him I think is he is probably better suited to games against an opposition which presses us and will surrender space for us to attack, against a mid block or a low block I do agree that maybe Elliott is a good option. Szoboszlai does offer different qualities to Elliott, and those are important to how Slot envisions the team, especially from a pressing standpoint imo, it does stun me that people don't see how crucial he was in our first three wins. Nobody is getting on Mac Allister's back? He was the worst and most inconspicuous of our midfield three in the first three games (still played decently of course) and nobody complains about him. I wouldn't complain because I know how much of a baller he is, but that does strike me as a bit odd.
Forest had a game plan, sure, and a lot of that game plan revolved around going down at the slightest bit of contact to frustrate and win cheap fouls from the ref, while we didn't get the rub of the green when our players exaggerated contact to win free kicks. It was smart dirty play from them, but that's the PL for you. Sure Nuno exploited weaknesses in our structure to create the few chances they had, but Slot has shown he is an intelligent enough coach to quickly figure out how to compensate for that. He is new to the PL and I'm sure he will figure it out fast.
15 Sep 2024 10:28:49
Sometimes, you got to give the oppo. some credit. A lot of it, in this case Forest were very good and so was Nuno. If there is one thing Nuno is great at, is setting up his teams to frustrate the bigger football-playing sides. I cast your minds back to when he was at Wolves where he used to make Pep suffer in some cases where Wolves played City.
Nuno always knew where City wanted to go with the ball so he would just make sure City didn't do that and then literally dictate to them where the ball shoulg go which were blind allies. Oh, and he battered City a few times with Wolves and once with Spurs. That is exactly what he did to us so hats of to him, his staff and his players.
As for us, it was a poor performance from the off till the end. We could have played for 3 days and still wouldn't have scored cos we were playing poorly, slack passing, very poor decision making in the final thrid and frankly the subs made us worse rather than better. Must do better next time around.
15 Sep 2024 10:31:22
I find it difficult that we can call out individuals so readily after a game like this. It’s can’t be a team game when things go well and then down to individuals when it doesn’t.
Anyways, in games like this you expect your big players to step up and dictate the play. But we became far too reliant on a ball from Trent and we rarely got anything going between the lines and when we did the passes we 1m off left or right.
Really unfortunate. Ironically, I think the way forward would have been better trust in our possession and breaking the opposition down. But we seemed to revert to trying to go direct and get the goal as quick as possible.
Rest and patience will do us well.
15 Sep 2024 10:42:38
This squad finished 3rd with (in my eyes) the best manager in the world. We didn’t strengthen the team. Therefore, it’s impossible to be better with a lesser manager.
15 Sep 2024 11:05:06
Not impossible LFC8 but extremely difficult. Especially now Salah and VVD are another year older. I would bite your hand off for top 4 at this point.
15 Sep 2024 11:26:25
Would it be so bad to finish third?
We're all managers in our own heads but I think some need to manage their expectations a lot better.
15 Sep 2024 11:44:36
I thought rigsbybefore season started if slot could get 3rd considering how poor a summer we had transfer wise and contract wise he wouldve done extremly well.
Nothing i've seen since has changed my mind on that.
15 Sep 2024 12:01:21
I'd be delighted with top 4 after seeing that.
15 Sep 2024 12:24:31
Exactly my point, Rigsby. Would it be so bad if we gave the title a real go under a new manager and finished 3rd? Or even 4th? People thinking that woukd be disappointing need to wake up from their fantasy sessions and take their expectations down a couple of notches.
For me, I will not put such unrealistic burden on Slot in his first season cos I did NO such thing to any other LFC manager in their first season's at LFC since I had became a fan decades ago. If Slot finishes 3rd/ 4th esp. by giving it a right go to try to win the title in his first season then, that's good enuff for me.
15 Sep 2024 12:54:45
I don't think this side would be title contenders under Klopp and I'm less confident under Slot.
The midfield is still weak, the front three is not the level of the one that won the League and CL and I'd like a regular centre half partnership.
Slots has had a good start and I'm hopeful he can bring us some success but he is not Klopp's level yet and the players inherited not of the standard that Klopp won the big two trophies with.
15 Sep 2024 13:22:13
Not about attacking systems and inability to play vs a low block when the players can't pass a ball 5 yards and besides 2 or 3 players we have a collective disastrous day! Terrible day on the pitch and in the stands.
15 Sep 2024 13:36:50
We actually got into good areas a few times at nil nil but the final pass was poor. On another day we go one up, force them to come out and score a couple more. It is what it is and I'm not writing our season off already.
15 Sep 2024 13:46:04
It’s a reality check. There’s a lack of quality in depth in midfield which is going to cost us massively. City and Madrid would have a field day against us. To win a title you need to be consistent and dig deep to get something out of games like that. We were unable to do that.
15 Sep 2024 14:28:04
If the forwards can't play simple passes it doesn't matter how good the midfield is victor. All the forwards were guilty of being sloppy.
{Ed077's Note - Has the season already ended with just the "We Beat Man Utd at Old Trafford" Trophy? ?}
15 Sep 2024 15:06:57
Welcome to Thug ball, Arne. What have you got in your back pocket for that? A dash of Endo?
15 Sep 2024 19:00:18
I said we “looked jaded”, I didn’t say I thought they were jaded.
“Looking jaded” to me means they lacked intensity, lacked energy, lacked focus and concentration and didn’t take control of the game.
There’s no reason for them to be like that, but that’s how they looked.
16 Sep 2024 03:21:11
I genuinely thought that after our first three wins we would never, ever lose ever again. Slt’s had his chance and let us all down. Time for a change of coach. We need someone who can guarantee that we will never lose again.
16 Sep 2024 13:01:26
If we are to be happy with this squad to get us 3rd spot, imagine a summer transfer to push us on to being real challengers.
As for Saturdays game…. well it’s the same old same old. What to do against a low block? Shooting from range might be worth a shot.