04 Oct 2024 09:03:57
How do we know Trent hasn’t been offered a contract? It’s a genuine question.
I hardly think either party are going to admit to offering a contract or receiving a contract offer which has been turned down.
That’s going to be looked at 2 different ways by the fans who enjoy criticising everything. They’ll either get on Trent’s back for being greedy etc or they criticise the club for not just giving him what he wants or not selling him earlier.
So if he has been offered a contract but it’s not made public knowledge we wouldn’t know would we?
Or is there another way that people can find out this stuff? Not saying anyone is wrong I’m just asking the question because I don’t know the answer.
04 Oct 2024 10:18:34
I would guess what has happened, and its only a guess, that when club shouldve been sorting his renewal, summer 22,they where slack on it and took for granted that he be no problem to get signed up.
Then kloop made his decision to quit and trent then didn't want to negoiate as he wanted to see who new mamager is and what ambitions of club are trsnsfer wise. We got slot and im sure trent was thinking whose this, like rest of us. He then wanted to see what slot like before he sign anything, i would imagine he quite impressed so far. The summer transfer window v poor and i would say he disappointed with lack of ambition and that is a minus as regards him signing.
Only me guessing no inside info.
04 Oct 2024 10:55:04
Trent needs to be on parity with the highest earners, or close. We Know Real can offer that kind of money since there would be no fee. The question is, do FSG value him that much? Some of their dealings at the red cocks suggests not.
04 Oct 2024 11:04:39
Well we know Salah and Virg haven’t because they came out into the public and stated it. So you’d assume it’s 3/ 3 with Trent.
04 Oct 2024 11:28:28
Would you take any answer for your question @Beckers. Because honestly you won’t. That’s your problem. You would continue to spin the wheel to get an answer that suit you.
If we go by the editors and their contacts, he hasn’t been offered a contract yet.
04 Oct 2024 11:35:00
Trent’s interview was extremely cryptic so it’s anyone’s guess.
But that’s the beauty of being a fan we have no idea about contracts, wages, transfers, what the manager ask the players to do etc, but we get to give an opinion on them all.
04 Oct 2024 11:50:06
I think it's all worrying over nothing. If he stays, meh fair enough if he goes we've a player that is better or at least on par with Trent.
For me it would benefit LFC if Trent left just a shame there won't be a transfer fee if he goes at the end of the season.
{Ed001's Note - Neggy you are talking utter cack - there is no one better or even close to being on a par at the club.}
04 Oct 2024 11:54:01
I don’t really know but I find the drama intriguing. Like apparently Real have had constant Comms with Trent, which would seem like it’s breaking some kind of rule but also makes the drama interesting lol.
04 Oct 2024 12:06:05
Vango, Trent is already on parity with highest earners mate. He is the 3rd best paid player at the club after Salah (350) van Dijk (260) and then Trent who is on (250) for a local lad who is living his dream i would say that's already an amazing and a very respectable salary, but ofcourse Madrid could offer him much more. Hopefully we get him signed up.
04 Oct 2024 12:37:05
Fikes - Not sure where you're getting those numbers from. Most sources I've seen have van Dijk at £220k and Trent at £180k.
04 Oct 2024 12:38:28
If Real Madrid have spoken directly to Trent then aren’t they breaking the rules? If that is the case, then wouldn’t it be right if the club reported Real Madrid?
04 Oct 2024 13:37:23
If Trent wants to stay he'll stay. If he wants to go he'll go. This is the single most mind numbing topic of debate this site has ever seen. How are you not all bored?
I might write a children's book called "Richard Hughes and the 3 contract Stand Offs". It could have a really good teachable lesson about the importance of patience and the dangers of being gullible.
{Ed025's Note - to be fair MK it is a topic for concern mate so why not discuss the implications of it?, its ok saying que sera sera but you could lose 3 of your best players for nothing come the end of the season and the money needed to replace them would be astronomical...so its bound to be a topic for deliberation..
04 Oct 2024 14:20:49
I wouldn't be surprised if Trent is waiting until Jan to see what obscene offer Madrid sends, before deciding whether to stay or go.
04 Oct 2024 14:21:20
"How do we know Trent hasn’t been offered a contract? ".
As fans well, we don't.
04 Oct 2024 14:24:19
Sorry something red, you're absolutely right. My bad.
04 Oct 2024 14:43:11
Ed025, that's fine but we're all (posters and editors) discussing from a position of complete ignorance so I understand why it would be brought up occasionally because it's a rumours site, but it's just been every day for months on end. People can talk about whatever they want to of course, but equally I can say I'm bored of the debate if I want to!
I'd love all 3 of the players to extend their contracts but you know what, I'm not fussed if they all go for nothing. City were supposedly going to drop off massively when they lost Fernandinho, David Silva, Aguero and Kompany for diddly squat. All the experts said they'd struggle to replace them and that Daivd Silva was the one who made them tick. Well since that happened they've won every single League Title and their first Champions League. So it just goes to show that you can lose 3 or 4 world class players for nothing and style it out.
We've hardly spent a penny in the summer just gone as well (whilst reducing the wage bill significantly) so we'll be in a very secure position in terms of Profit and Sustainability, which will allow us to replace these 3 players in one go if we have to. Many posters and editors on here think Bradley is so good we should be putting Trent in midfield to accommodate him anyway.
So you'll have to excuse me for not thinking it's the end of the world mate! I'm just enjoying the football and what will be, will be. I like the line I read on here years ago that "footballers are just transient employees". I think we should all try to remember that when we're livid about people possibly signing or not signing. 8 wins from 9 last time I checked so all smiles ?.
04 Oct 2024 14:58:23
Thats a decent amount of input for someone who is bored of the topic, MK.
None of us know what's going on with the contracts behind closed doors but id put money on Trent getting 3 years, VVD 2 years and Salah a friendly pat on the back.
04 Oct 2024 15:14:55
I don't understand why posters bother to get involved in a debate if it's so boring and doesn't interest them. Just scroll on.
04 Oct 2024 15:26:10
You can’t be that bored of it MK.
You’ve just contributed 2 massive posts to the conversation mate ?.
04 Oct 2024 15:28:47
100%, Ed025. I can’t, for the life of me, understand the que sera sera attitude towards this situation. “If he goes, he goes” - great, well we can all look forward to being a worse, less competitive team next season but hey, at least we support the club. It’s crazy. If this doesn’t get sorted, £200m of player, all three among the best in their position, will walk away for nothing.
{Ed025's Note - i think your spot on Lowe, a lot seem to be so matter of fact about it mate and i cant comprehend that, i think replacing them 3 like for like will cost more than £200m though in todays climate..
04 Oct 2024 16:36:55
You're absolutely spot on ed025, we got lucky with Salah's fee. At his peak he was a 150 million € player, Van Dijk a 100 million € defender. good luck replacing those 2 legends in particular. People will feel it when those 2 leave, MK says Man City were supposed to drop off when they lost Kompany, but they spent 100 million on Gvardiol and Ruben Dias cost a pretty penny too, they did lose David Silva but Phil Foden have since filled that void and scores much more goals than David Silva, they did spend 100 million on Grealish to replace Silva though too. they replaced Fernandinho with a player twice as good in Rordi, so yeah we are not man city who can buy 100 million players and give them 300k a week before they prove they've earned it. So i think the comparison with them is mute, they can just buy at whatever cost, if it works great, if not just repeat the process until something sticks.
Conor Bradley is a very promising talent but he is not Trent, and makes mistakes defensively and have scored a couple of own goals too, its not like he is Cafu re-incarnated. Great talent, but Trent is the best attacking FB in the world full stop. Most of the people who would play Bradley ahead of Trent are the likes of Negativewalter and other ''funny'' posters who you can't take seriously.
{Ed025's Note - you are not city though Fisk and dont have the same resources they have mate, they can afford to lose £squillions but i dont think Liverpool can..
04 Oct 2024 15:24:43
Edd001 trent aside, bradley has it all to become a top player. He needs the games to improve and better himself but we do have a very beryl good young player in bradley.
{Ed001's Note - Bradley has it all too, but he is nowhere near Trent just yet. Totally different type of full back.}
04 Oct 2024 17:35:51
ED25 Spot on . we can't afford to lose millions of £££s, we should have had these contracts well sorted . one way or another . I find it amazing that people on here say yea if he goes then he goes . or even worse is we can't force a player to leave etc . but Naploli have just done a good thing IMHO with Victor Osimhen not signing an extension, told him his wasn't going to play so he ended up in the Turkish league .
{Ed025's Note - yeah Stromgodset. But that horse has bolted now mate..
04 Oct 2024 20:01:41
I don’t think we need to “replace them” necessarily.
Van Dijk is the exception. History shows if you want to win the premier league you need a good spine of the team and Van Dijk is one of the greatest central defenders of the last decade.
Mo cannot be directly replaced so you adapt as a team.
Trent has a lot of quality, don’t get me wrong, but his contribution to the team can be replaced with a player like Connor Bradley.
Van Dijk and Mo are in the last period of their LFC career one way or another. We need a replacement for VVD.
04 Oct 2024 20:45:21
@MKS, I’d say the two / three year debate about not replacing Gini, or the annual saga about is Mo leaving or will he stay which has seemingly had a longer run than The Mousetrap to ne more mind numbing. I take your point about the TAA contract discussion though.
04 Oct 2024 22:44:51
Brian that was exactly my question. We as fans have no idea whether contracts have been offered, what’s in the contracts or if they’ve been rejected. We have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors.
The Eds have contacts sure but even they don’t know exactly what’s going on with players contracts either. It’s all conjecture unless there is somewhere where you can get this information or if one of the Eds has a reliable contact who has categorically told them that no contracts have been offered.
It’s frustrating I know as from the outside looking in it looks like a total cock up but we don’t know enough to really make that assumption do we?
So again my question was does anyone know for sure what has or hasn’t been offered or rejected? Until we do I don’t see the point in getting all up tight about it.
04 Oct 2024 18:46:35
Edd001 ino that's why I said trent aside, I wasn't comparing them but if we have to move forward without trent, fans shouldn't be disheartened as bradley could be our robertson at his best and even a level better. Bradley looks like he'll potentially be a goalscoring fullback too. He scores some cracking goals for northern Ireland.
05 Oct 2024 01:48:29
Information overload, my word. Watch next year when we lose them three (if we do) . I'd like to see peoples opinions then.
05 Oct 2024 08:25:16
@BP, a more interesting question might be …. Has Trent’s agent been offered a new contract and is it possible that the agent might be playing a game of financial chicken with Liverpool? It isn’t hard to imagine the agent holding out for more for his client (and his own percentage) the nearer we get to January?
06 Oct 2024 06:50:22
What other club competing for league and European trophies allows arguably their 3 best players’ contracts to run down with potential of losing them all o a free? The posters saying ‘oh well, whatever, it’s fine’ are living in cloud cuckoo land. Trying to replace any of these players on there level is a nightmare, and extremely expensive. I mean you are looking at, for a world class CB, world class RW, world class RB a minimum of 200mil and, even then, I’m still not sure you’ll get the same quality or attributes they have. If just one left then ok, not ideal but not the end of the world, but all 3? Disastrous, not to mention negligent, and the team will ultimately pay the price. Add to that we clearly need a new LB and possible midfield addition - where is the money coming from? Honestly this could be a big step down for the club from competing leagues to competing just to get into the champions league, or even lower competitions. The la-de-da attitude of the fans is reflected by the club, and it’s not a good thing.
{Ed025's Note - negligent is the correct word Seano, very poor by whoever let that happen mate..