11 Oct 2024 19:58:09
Some people will never understand the cyclical nature of building deploying and maintaining a team. Team is the most important word and consideration and best player(s) are words that enter my personal vocabulary far less often.
Klopp was successful at Liverpool because he was a great people person a great team builder and an average tactician (please don’t shoot me down in flames fellow fans before you read on). All 3 of those qualities are vitally important but the former 2 rank higher than the last for me - and hence he was able to succeed with Liverpool without being one of best in the world at the last skill.
11 Oct 2024 22:30:59
I quite agree with your assessment, I’d go even further and say that if he had tactically better number twos he could’ve been even more successful. I however don’t want to take anything away from his achievements, because taking the team he inherited to a premier league and champions league was already and amazing achievement.
11 Oct 2024 23:12:30
Klopp was not an average tactician, I’m still not sure why anybody would think that, much less Liverpool fans themselves. The man was obsessed with the minutiae of football and dedicated his life to developing and refining a way of playing it, and that way is just as intricate and sophisticated as any other ‘tactical mastermind’, I really don’t like how certain corners of the media make it seem like he had the charisma to make players run through walls pressing and that made up for his lack of tactical acumen, it’s just nonsense.
12 Oct 2024 02:13:39
Why was he so bad at making substitutions then?
12 Oct 2024 02:58:23
Klopp was an average tactician? Success really dumbed down the supporter base.
12 Oct 2024 05:27:14
The very best teams are always the ones where the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. It’s true that the better the players are, the greater the sum of the team.
If all three players were to be at the club next season they would be certain starters so losing them would seem to diminish the team. However, it would depend on if, and who, we bring in via transfers. They might (unlikely) :be better than the players that leave, but to improve the sum of the team to its current (or even better) level than it is this season the incoming players don’t necessarily need to be better individually than those who leave.
12 Oct 2024 07:53:48
So because he was bad at making substitutions he was an average tactician? He wasn’t terrible at making changes either, he made plenty of tactical adjustments in game that may not have been a change of personnel but that certainly made a huge difference in earning us points. Klopp would be just as capable as anybody at going on one of those tactical master class things explaining his style of football, and he has had a big influence on world football, it’s likely mandatory that young coaches coming up have to study his Dortmund and Liverpool teams. Absolute rubbish claiming that he was tactically inferior to other coaches, and that he made up for this by charisma and sheer force of will.
Those things gave him an edge for sure, but you don’t win the biggest prizes and do your part to change modern football without being elite from a tactical standpoint.
12 Oct 2024 08:17:32
Klopp wasn’t our tactician Pep Linders was.
We probably couldn’t name 99% of other assistant managers at Professional clubs yet ours picked the team, tactics and formation ?.
12 Oct 2024 08:43:59
If Klopp was a great team builder what does that say about Pep Lijnders, his number two?
Tactically, he introduced the heavy metal football that some of you yearned for.
Tactically, he adapted that to a less frenetic system that some of us preferred and we strolled to our first League title in thirty years.
We also won another CL playing with one of Rodgers' signings transformed as a false nine.
The history books will show his achievements but not the substitutions in his last ever derby game.
He wasn't perfect, he was just a great.
12 Oct 2024 08:47:16
It was only the “experts” on here that suggested Klopps substitutions were so bad Stonage. You know, all the ones with the football acumen?
12 Oct 2024 16:40:32
Peak Klopp LFC, arguably the best team in the history of football, apart from when playing Real.
13 Oct 2024 01:34:27
I’d say that’s a fairly extravagant claim @Vango.
13 Oct 2024 08:57:56
Are there “experts” on here?
Who are they?
Excuse my ignorance - I enjoy this site and don’t post regularly just occasionally. I thought it was a fans site managed by the editors who were equally fans. Am I wrong?