12 Nov 2024 11:26:26
All this talk of David Coote has really got the media in overdrive and the PGMOL PR team will be working overtime.
I find it baffling that so much is being made about refs not being biased but let’s all be honest here, we all have unconscious bias that we can’t control. If Coote liked or disliked Liverpool or Klopp is pretty much irrelevant because I think if you asked every referee in the premier league who they liked and who they hated they could name 5+ managers and players they dislike.
The media appear to be missing the point and I’m unsure if they are doing so intentionally. Coote shouldn’t be fired because he likes one manager less than another he should be fired because the ref is supposed to act with integrity and the way he spoke on that video lacked any sort of integrity. Coote on what appears to be a night out is spouting off on camera how much he hates the club and manager, surely this highlights that he cannot separate his personal feelings from his professional life and that has to call into question his decision making on the pitch because our morals and views don’t wash off when we cross the white line.
There has been a lot of references to past decisions Coote has been involved in which haven’t gone our way and to be honest I don’t know where I side with it because I don’t like calling corruption but he has brought this level of scrutiny on himself and the PGMOL and it can’t be whitewashed. The media keep saying out he made a mistake but refs don’t carry bias into games and they wouldn’t intentionally make questionable decisions however we do live in a society where people commit crimes every day and yet still walk among us so I find it hard to believe that a referee is above society’s moral standards and infallible, time to wake up and reform PGMOL, bring in independent regulators and have some accountability.
12 Nov 2024 12:35:58
Dow-ney as you said, Coote did this to himself. Nobody else did it for/ to him. On Sat. alone, he literally did not think that the Bailey incident on Salah was a foul cos he did did not wave play on. Now had Darwin not scored, maybe the VAR steps in and makes him send Bailey off BUT the fact that he did not think it was a foul is crazy to me.
Also, he was the VAR when VVD got injured and I remember clearly that this same PGMOL came ot 3 times with 3 diff. reasons why he did not have M. Oliver (another incompetent mug, IMO) to check the VAR and not only send Pickford off but award LFC a pen. Now this happened months after he made the comments he was caught making. So with that backdrop, he will get no grace.
Now the PGMOL are going to have a huge prob. trying to cover for him and even worse, trying to convince the masses that this is a one off even tho, we had Mike Dean snitching on them already. Nah, good luck with that. We all know that if there is one of such an incident, there is more. Look to the PGMOL to start suppressing stuff from coming out in the media.
12 Nov 2024 12:41:16
I don't even care about the video to be honest.
The main issue is some of the worst and unexplainable decisions against Liverpool have David Coote involvement. This is the thing for me.
If he hated everything about the club but did his job fairly, I could live with it.
12 Nov 2024 13:19:22
Every job where bias has critical consequences like judge, security for president. U need do background check and annual psychological tests. PGMOL has to present results of these checks, tests to show transparency and due diligence.
12 Nov 2024 13:21:11
All the decisions and now the solid body of evidence point to Bias against Liverpool
Nobody wins in this situation. Apart from City of course who walked away with undeserved titles on the back of cheating and corruption.
12 Nov 2024 13:27:00
Other than a really good post from Gazza further down, I think the media and also a lot of posters are focusing on the wrong point. The guy has a clear problem with Klopp being German. Otherwise why bring it up? His nationality is irrelevant to who he is or what Coote thinks of him as a person. We know this country is rife with people Xenophobic towards Germans (just look at the reaction to Tuchel getting the England job) and it's almost definitely because some clowns can't let go of the two world wars last century of which virtually no living German had any part in.
Coote's mate also went on to say they hate Scousers. Now Scouse may not be a nationality in it's own right, but it is an identity based on where you are born which is also very heavy on the Irish roots. So if they hate Scousers, it's not a huge leap to say Coote probably hates Irish people as well.
So here you have a referee who we rely on to be impartial, yet we now know he is a Xenophobic and hateful little cretin who will undoubtedly have a subconscious bias against Germans and Scousers/ Irish players and coaches. Which means he cannot be trusted to referee impartially in any game where the result can impact Liverpool or Everton, and he also cannot be trusted to referee in any game where there is a German or Scouse/ Irish manager or player involved.
In short, he's done. There is absolutely no way he can referee again without the PGMOL effectively admitting that they do not care about biased officials who hate certain people based on their place of birth. The biggest issue here is not that he hated Liverpool or the Liverpool manager at the time. The biggest issue here is that he hates people based on where they were born and their nationality. I couldn't care less if he hates Liverpool FC. I don't particularly like Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester United. But I don't hate everyone from Manchester or North London, and I certainly don't hate everyone from a particular Country either. He's done. He lacks any credibility now as a impartial official.
12 Nov 2024 13:32:06
Spot on davey, if he dislikes you / club but is fair that 100%, no problem. but his decisions have been horrendously poor, no doubt he is biased and corrupt.
12 Nov 2024 13:58:18
Davey and Digger, that is only part of the problem. The root of the prob. is that he hates the club, the manager (with that xenophobic term), the city and the people who are born and raised or identify with the area with a passion cos he uttered these comments. And the fact that he looked absolutely smashed while saying them tells me that, he believes what he was saying completely.
This is the backdrop of his alleged bias towards his strange and inexplicable decision-making towards LFC months after the comment. One leads to the other hence, not sure we can just isolate one from the other, IMO. People will draw whatever conclusions they like and that is all Coote's fault as that is an outcome he cannot control. That's just life.
There are people at my job Im don't get on with while working with or for them but that should not cloud my judgement and professionalism in my dealings with them. Coote and the PGMOL is going to have some real "splaining" to do trying to convince us that some of the blatant inexplicable decisions he has made (all well documented) after these comments were made, were honest mistakes coming from a human place. Good luck to them.
12 Nov 2024 13:59:27
Klopp wasn't the manager on Saturday and we don't know Coote's opinions on Slot.
Yet ?.
12 Nov 2024 14:04:04
How sad is it that we are having to talk about the refs and governing bodies of football . The people to ensure equality and fairness yet they are being called out for bias / corruption. The game of football is dying guys and it will soon be classed as entertainment rather than competitive sport in my eyes .
It does make you wonder if the corruption shouts have substance. I’m not looking at it from an anti Liverpool point of view but more a pro city one .
One thing is for sure they have picked on the wrong fan base, team and city if it is corruption and if their are more involved. Obviously coote will be the sacrificial lamb and it will end with him if it is but I’m pretty sure he’s been involved in a lot of high profile mistakes against our favour .
Let’s hope this doesn’t effect us on the pitch as I’m loving watching us at the moment less heavy metal and more rock n roll and I like it.
12 Nov 2024 14:09:28
I think it’s impossible for him to referee any game involving a premier league club ever again. Aside from the remarks themselves, which are a heady mix of bias and xenophobia, there is his reaction afterwards when caught. Firstly attempting to deny it was him and implying it was a deep fake, then when the video was found to be legitimate, he eventually admits that it was him, but not being able to recall the incident, which shows a total lack of honesty and integrity. It now calls into question any decision he has made which directly affected us due to this perception of bias (and for bias to exist in civil law, there needs only to be a perception, not absolute proof) .
12 Nov 2024 14:27:42
This is what is wrong with society. People shouldn't hate people because of where they are born or who they support.
People may also dislike people professionally, which I am fine with but you deal with it. You certainly don't express those feelings in front of a camera!
But for me this gives PGMOL the opportunity to sack him. But not because of his poor performances. And therefore they get away with not publicly criticising one of their own for not doing the job they are paid for. And we continue on with a poor standard of refereeing.
12 Nov 2024 14:45:51
MK mate, you have it spot on, there should be no way back now, he shoud hand his whistle in, and try something else .
this means of course, that we now have a better chance of winning the League,
that man would have tried to stop us .
think we all knew that he held a grudge against Liverpool, now its there fans as well,
12 Nov 2024 14:46:04
Well said MK. Nail on the head.
12 Nov 2024 14:59:53
MK I know where you are coming from and if you take his comments literally then you are absolutely right.
I just think that if you look at the video he was giving it the big ‘un in front of the lads so to go from a few what he thought were throwaway comments, to he hates all people based on where they come from is a massive leap when you don’t know the guy from Adam (pun intended) .
He should absolutely be sacked for his comments, no question but to label him a xenophobic, racist person who hates all Germans, Scousers and Irish people is a bit much for me.
Now, if more evidence comes to light which shows him using that kind of language consistently in other situations then I’m absolutely with you but based on one video of him showing off to his mates I just don’t think we can possibly make those scathing assumptions.
He’s made a rod for his own back though I guess and less forgiving people than me will be wanting his head for it.
12 Nov 2024 16:01:13
Where’s Neville and Carragher?
The two biggest mouths in English punditry and not a single word from either of them.
The silence is deafening.
12 Nov 2024 16:13:00
Does anyone question the timing of this video being released or how the video came about? The person who released the video has sat on this for years! It makes me think that Coote has voiced his views quiet regularly and openly, you wouldn’t have a camera out on standby and the video seems to prompt Coote for his views to be repeated…suggests that Coote is quiet open about his dislike for Liverpool. 100% has to go and can never ref again, outside of his comments and likely bias whether intentional or not he is a shocking ref who has made some bizarre decisions while in control of VAR and has now brought the PGMOL into disrepute.
12 Nov 2024 16:35:54
Good post, Beckers.
12 Nov 2024 19:36:57
Coote didn't say he hated Scousers, did he? And the Irish thing is daft.
His feelings about Germans are unclear but I don't know why he had to mention Klopp's nationality.
He's a fool and he needs to explain his comments on the videos.
If he can remember making them, that is.
12 Nov 2024 20:31:25
Wassa-lfc, that's cos both frauds have gotten the Bat signal from the PGMOL to zip it and await further insstructions from the mother ship.
12 Nov 2024 20:55:03
For those who want a laugh you should watch Mike Deans interview about Coote. The man has no shame at all, his whole interview was poor Coote, those bad people for recording him when he thought he was in a safe space, refs are under a lot of scrutiny and don’t have a forum to voice their opinions and views…honestly drivel! And Sky aren’t much better, never asked him if he thought it was a racist comment? Obviously wants to look after his mate over the integrity of the game.
12 Nov 2024 20:57:13
How do you know that, Oli?
13 Nov 2024 03:17:29
Since the video surfaced the overwhelming majority of responses remind me of the old joke that ‘just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to get you’ eh?
13 Nov 2024 08:16:40
I think it becomes xenophobic the very minute he refers to Klopp being German, Becker, there is absolutely no reason for him to mention his nationality, that he freely chooses to do it takes it into being xenophobic.
As for the hating Liverpool football club and people from Liverpool, the guy filming says something along the lines that in summary, Jurgen Klopp is a ****, we hate Liverpool FC and we hate scousers, Coote does not challenge the remarks or try to correct them, his silence and comment that it better not be released in public is an acknowledgment that it is how he feels too.
Personally I’m glad he’s getting his just desserts and hope he never referees a game at the top level ever again. He is now on the finding out section on the F around and find out graph.
13 Nov 2024 08:34:10
Rigsby/ Beckers, it's all subjective but I really do believe the videos highlight who he truly is. Under the influence of drugs and alcohol, I've never suddenly adopted a Xenophobic outlook. If anything people come out of their shell as their true authentic self when they're uninhibited by the ability to think before they speak.
I don't even think It's up for debate on the Xenophobia side of this either by the way. Do you think what John Terry said to Anton Ferdinand wasn't racist? Because it's the same concept, just a different group of people being discriminated against. The mere fact Coote felt the need to bolt 'German' onto the front of such a derogatory word suggests to me that he thinks the two go hand in hand.
Coote's mate may be the one who says "WE hate Scousers", but it's naive to think that he's saying that for the first time in front of Coote. Coote's behaviour with him in private will be what has given him the confidence to speak for the pair of them with such conviction. Coote doesn't even attempt to shut it down either.
On the Irish thing, my experiences living in the Midlands/ South is that most English people who hate Scousers also hate Irish people as well because of the deep rooted connections between the two identities. I had the pleasure of attending a legends evening with John Aldridge earlier this year and Aldo literally said that even though he was born in Liverpool he always identified more with the Irish than with the English. Hating the Scouse and the Irish tend to go hand in hand from my experience because it's that link that is often blamed for the "Scouse not English" phrase that riles up so many of the self proclaimed patriots.
So do I feel as though Coote can be 100% trusted to be impartial with a decision involving an Scouse/ Irish or German person? No I don't. And that's a problem when it comes to the integrity of the sport. It didn't come across as someone trying to impress his mates to me. It came across as somebody too drunk to maintain the act he puts on in public, thus exposing himself as the bigoted fool he truly is. So we'll have to agree to disagree lads. I'd actually prefer it if you were both correct, but my experiences have just made me far too cynical to think you are.
13 Nov 2024 09:16:42
If you take away the fact that he works for the PGMOL, then there is no story here. It’s the same noise you would hear from plenty of Man Utd fans up and down the country. It would be the reverse also, with plenty of Liverpool supporters using similar language to slag off Man Utd. It happens every day and although it isn’t pretty, it is no more than strong banter.
The problem is that he does work for the PGMOL and therefore shouldn’t have views like that, as it affects his ability to do his job impartially. He has been caught red handed, and should be sacked…no more.