23 Dec 2024 11:12:54
We get ripped off in most games and then one decision goes our way and then we are told we're getting too much help. This team is fantastic in every department and even when things are going against them, our players still have the will to overcome it and win. I think credit should be given when it is deserved.
23 Dec 2024 11:38:12
What decision went our way yesterday out of interest? The only mistakes I saw were 1) ref not booking Maddison 2) ref not booking Bissouma and 3) ref not second yellow carding Bergvall.
He gave Spurs every chance to be in that game and let them off for so many cynical fouls that were blatant yellows for stopping our counter attacks. Yet he couldn't wait to (correctly) book Szoboszlai and Gakpo for stopping Spurs counters. The ref was simply useless and clearly incapable of being consistent in front of a large home crowd.
23 Dec 2024 11:41:27
What decision are you talking about?
23 Dec 2024 11:52:59
Bah, humbug! ?.
23 Dec 2024 11:59:17
Exactly, MKS. No conspiracy here BUT this is the same ref who gave a pen to Saints when you can literally argue that Robbo's tackle was outside the box. That's the level of incompetence of all the refs in the PL.
Once again, I have no idea what the "Chief Scout" is talking about.
23 Dec 2024 12:06:57
The ref had a good game.
23 Dec 2024 12:26:11
We should all move away from Ref and VAR bashing. It is run by incompetent people and it will stay like that. Nothing is going to change.
Think Ref had a decent game yesterday honestly.
We have it in our hands now to win.
23 Dec 2024 12:48:33
OliRed, Definitely no conspiracy. He just did what most refs do every week and bowed to the louder crowd when it came to brandishing yellow cards. It wasn't anti-Liverpool, it was just the standard pro-home-team. We'll benefit from it at some stage this season at Anfield. Certainly not a good performance by the standards we should expect at this level, but above average for the sorry state of officiating that we actually have. All of the major decisions were correct, he just lacked consistency.
I'm just dumb struck at what decision the Spurs fans wanted that the OP is referencing. I googled it to see if there was a big furore online, and I found 1 article from a Tottenham fan run news page where they were moaning about a penalty Maddison should've had for an alleged push from Trent. If they're talking about the incident I think they are though, both commentators and the former ref on the Sky coverage unanimously agreed Maddison had tried to buy an penalty and gone down far too easily.
23 Dec 2024 12:49:53
I’m sure If you gave some people a bag full of money.
They would moan the bag was too heavy.
23 Dec 2024 12:50:40
I'm with Rome. I thought the ref had a good game and unlike many didn't appear to favour either team. I agree that Maddison should have been booked but I didn't have a problem with anything else. I'd be happy to see him ref more of our games and hopefully he will encourage more young quality refs to come through the system and we can offload the bunch of 'established' jobsworths at the PGMOL.
23 Dec 2024 12:51:07
Not going to lie. When Diaz scored that opener, I had one eye on the score to see if they removed it at some point after last season ?.
23 Dec 2024 13:50:15
The ref was awful. There were numerous times when he let them off with blatant yellow card fouls but couldn’t wait to card our players. Bergvall clattered Grav really late in what was a dangerous tackle, yellow all day but no card. Then 5 minutes later he’s getting booked which should’ve been a second yellow. Then at the end he’s pulled someone back (don’t remember who) to stop a break, yellow all day again and nothing! Very strange and massively inconsistent refereeing.
Then we have Mike Dean saying it was the right decision because ‘the game wasn’t going that way’. What?!
I was under the impression that if you grab someone and pull them back to stop a quick break it’s a standard yellow card. I didn’t realise the game had to be going a certain way for that to happen?!
So next time it happens to one of our players we just have to say ‘but ref, the game isn’t going that way’ and it’s all good. No yellow card.
Honestly it’s no wonder we are all pulling our collective hair out with the refs in this country.
23 Dec 2024 14:01:17
@LFC8, that was funny I must admit.
@MKS. For sure. On the big decisions, the ref got those right. Their fist goal was legit as Macca was just being an idiot trying to con the ref whereas he messed up his first touch which led to being robbed by Maddison who scored. Correct decision.
As for refs being homers, the biggest example of this is John Brooks. The guy shrinks as soon as the home fans gets on his back and then loses control of the game. A lot of them do it but he is the one that has stuck out to me the most.
As for the Trent and Maddison situation? I guess when you get hit for 6, you got to claw at whatever you can get, right?
Still waiting for the "all-seeing" @Nickel berry to tell us what he is on about.
Happy Holidays, btw!
23 Dec 2024 14:34:15
We shouldn't be surprised about the ref, it happens too often and was always going to be one of them. Luckily we did enough to not give spurs and the ref a chance. Bet he was well pis*Ed off everytime we scored.
{Ed025's Note - you lot never cease to amaze me you know, another great win with scintillating football yet your first thought is that the ref gave you nothing?..bloody hell your entitlement flabbergasts me at times, it always woe is us and everybody hates us or has it in for us, change the record FFS you are top of the league and the champions league as well as still in 2 cups so for me you dont have much to moan about...mind you it has never stopped you in the past, the ref was excellent i thought..
23 Dec 2024 14:34:35
The ref had a good game. For gawd sake, give it a miss with the ref bashing, it's getting tiresome. He's a young ref starting out. Like I said a few weeks back, every decision is looked at under a microscope, unlike ref's from 20 years ago. Merry Christmas to fellow reds and let's concentrate on the positives in life.
{Ed025's Note - spot on Rome..
23 Dec 2024 16:00:42
Most fans in the premier league are moaning about the refs ed25 mate, it doesn't matter which set of fans. Why? Because they are useless mate. Not just this game, the vast majority of games it's very rare to see them get it right.
It doesn't matter where in the table we are or what club is supported, the refs as a whole are terrible. You can't blame people for going on about them mate it's not about Liverpool it's about the league.
Plus, we all like a good moan mate, I wouldn't be happy otherwise lol ;) .
{Ed025's Note - lots of supporters do moan about refs Salah but its a lot to do with the under performing of their own team usually mate(something that cant be leveled at Liverpool), you lot just like to moan because of your sense of entitlement and the paranoia that epitomizes your fans, its also down to players play acting pretending to be injured getting supporters riled that there is an injustice done (see McAllister), and while there is a case for the refereeing being poor i thought the young guy who officiated your game yesterday was actually very good..
23 Dec 2024 16:27:15
Rome/ Ed025, He booked Gakpo minutes after letting Maddison get away with a near identical challenge and he let Bergvall off a second yellow for the exact same thing he booked Szoboszlai for. He also let Bissouma off for a cynical clip of the heels from behind, that is a yellow card 9 times out of 10 in every game I've ever watched. In my mind, being inconsistent doesn't qualify a good performance, never mind an excellent performance, but it's a subjective debate so I can accept that this is just my opinion. You two don't have the authority over refereeing assessments so stop trying to censor the discussion. You're both also dramatizing the reactions of others to make yourselves seem like the only reasonable people which is just gaslighting because nobody here has been remotely unreasonable. Nobody here made this an anti-Liverpool thing. Me and Oli both stated that very clearly, and Beckers made it clear he was questioning the overall quality of officiating with his closing statement. You both trying to rephrase our comments into being something they're not, doesn't wash with me. You're belittling others for clout on the internet from people you don't know. What do you gain from such arrogance? Funnily enough, I'm yet to see anyone specify why/ how they thought the ref had a good game. If you're so sure you are right, then why did your replies target us as individuals, instead of making counter arguments? You must have some pretty solid reasoning after all, to be calling other peoples character into question over a bloody civil discussion on football forum.
{Ed025's Note - nobody said it was set in stone MK just like most things they were opinions based on what we watched, the fact is yours and others will always be tainted by those red spectacles you wear mate, i have never heard you say that you got away with one when a decision went for you...that says everything, climbing into bed with Oli does not make you the Batman and Robin of these pages in a quest to fight for justice it just makes you as thick as thieves imo, listen im not saying the ref was perfect just that as a young man trying his best he done a very good job, but thats just my opinion and you are entitled to yours..
23 Dec 2024 17:26:59
I thought the ref was good, didn’t seem overly phased by the occasion or speed of the game. The 2nd yellow for the pull back in injury time was an odd one in that I wouldn’t want any player sent off for a technical yellow in injury time when they are 3 goals behind but at the same time it does look very inconsistent and tbh I just hate Mike Deans explanations of decisions in general because he would try tell you black is white in defence of refs decisions. In my opinion I’d like to see refs have a bit more flexibility but this is always rattled off as inconsistent and you can be sure the next match Liverpool will have a player do the same thing and get a yellow and there will be an uprising.
23 Dec 2024 17:30:28
Salah, you didn’t say anything wrong mate. When VAR was in the pipeline I heard so many people say that a huge part of football was debating controversial refereeing decisions after the game with your mates. Literally every fan base does it to an equal extent. Yet for some reason we have to listen to “LiVArpool” all the time and we can’t say anything or counter decisions that went for us by bringing up ones that went against us. Rival fans literally chant “who’s the Scouser in the black” but the moment a Liverpool fan questions a referee, people roll out the “victim mentality” card. We all know that this attitude towards us as a fan base stemmed from the Hillsborough slurs originally, but now it’s just become fashionable for rivals to pretend we all act like victims. It’s just boring reading it all the time. Ref chat is just a part of football. Sadly a small minority of Liverpool fans are starting to go along with it for an easier life and that only vindicates our rivals to say these slurs more. I’m just done reading it to be honest.
23 Dec 2024 17:44:30
Ed25 couldn't agree anymore. Let's just enjoy the football, certainly ahead of where I thought we would be at least for now anyway.
{Ed025's Note - you are having a great season Walter...enjoy mate..
23 Dec 2024 18:01:29
You are spot on, Ed025.
It's embarrassing. So much for being humble, eh?
{Ed025's Note - well i think so Rigsby, mind you im an Evertonian mate so humble goes with the territory i suppose...im a modern day Uriah Heap.. :)
23 Dec 2024 18:15:34
Ed025, I agree with every word you say, mate. I am the World's biggest moaner and am the archetypal moaning ol git, but the amount of paranoia and "everyone hates us" on here beggars belief. The reason why some supporters do dislike is because of this type of belief. We are possibly the best side in Europe at this moment in time, let's cherish it while it lasts and, please, please, please stop the paranoia.
{Ed025's Note - im with you Rome, just watch and enjoy it i say mate, it has the makings of a stellar season i feel..
23 Dec 2024 18:22:38
Lad's sometimes the ref and VAR bashing gets a bit tedious. As some of the above posters have said it's being run by incompetent people and there's not much we can do about it just play our game and get on with it. As for the ref yesterday I thought that he had a good game so let's leave it and that and enjoy our victory with some excellent football thrown in for good measure YNWA.
{Ed025's Note - amen to that Barry mate..
23 Dec 2024 18:50:33
I didn’t even notice the ref, was a great game of football.
23 Dec 2024 18:44:13
Let's just enjoy the footie Ed0025 cause we all know that we can't fix the refs??.
{Ed025's Note - im all for that Bazza mate..
23 Dec 2024 18:45:42
Ed25 all I saw was us smashing spurs at their ground 6-3 and could have scored 10. Not sure why anyone cares what the ref did ?.
{Ed025's Note - funny enough thats what i saw 1jj, i actually thought you were going to score every time you attacked mate..
23 Dec 2024 18:59:12
If people want to see bad decisions from over the weekend look no further than VARs failure to intervene, award a penalty and send off that hatchet man Pickford! Absolutely disgraceful decision, he literally did the same thing as he did to Virg but lucklily the player got out of the way and was now to avert danger, honestly a shocking decision which inadvertently went our way with Chelsea dropping points.
Honourable mention to VAR overseeing Brighton game who deemed a two footed, studs up tackle at shin height just a yellow card?
No conspiracy here just poor VAR, I feel sorry for the refs on the pitch to be honest.
{Ed025's Note - i dont recall Pickers getting even booked for that Dow-ney, maybe because he never touched him?, it could have been a ghost challenge i suppose in which case he should have booked Jacob Marley mate..
23 Dec 2024 19:13:41
I also thought the ref had a decent game.
Not sure what others are watching to complain.
23 Dec 2024 20:08:03
My bad Pickford might not have even been booked but he couldn’t have been booked unless a foul was given and a penalty awarded.
Not being smart Ed but do you genuinely think that wasn’t a penalty for Chelsea?
{Ed025's Note - absolutely not Dow-ney i dont think anyone even appealed for a foul mate, he approached him to try and smother the ball as far as i am aware..
23 Dec 2024 20:09:43
I can’t speak for anyone else but my post was not a moan it was an observation. How that has been spun into me being paranoid or acting like a victim is beyond me.
Some will say the ref had a decent game because we won the game comfortably and there were a couple of decent decision that went our way. Trent on Maddison and Szob on Son being the two I can recall.
However if you look at his performance as a whole it was the inconsistency that was infuriating. You can’t say a ref had a good game when he was letting things go and then booking someone for the exact same thing minutes later, then not booking someone for the exact same thing minutes after that!
It’s not a moan, or entitlement or paranoia it’s just rank bad refereeing!
23 Dec 2024 20:32:47
Fair enough Ed, I don’t know I’d say have another look because after watching it back I’m at a loss to see how VAR didn’t intervene? Anyways my comment wasn’t supposed to be Pickford specific but more about how poor VAR are for everyone. To be fair I can see why refs in the moment make poor calls because the game is moving a mile a minute and these lads have to try keep up with professional athletes and then make judgment calls on a split second incident, not to mention doing it for a sustained 90+ minutes week in week out.
I think VAR hub is the big issue, this whole threshold, don’t want to re-ref a game, clear and obvious mess…. i wish they would just show the incident on a big screen, max of 30 seconds and let the on field ref decide if he feels the decision is correct, it wouldn’t be perfect and we would still have mistakes but atleast it’s the one ref making the call. Right now we have this bull of, if the ref was called to the monitor he probably would have changed his mind but VAR didn’t feel it was clear and obvious, cut out the middle man and just let him decide. I actually think it would speed things up, nobody want to see VAR review something for 2.5 minutes and then recommend whatever they feel necessary, no slow motion, no 10,000 angles and replay after replay, let the ref see it again and if he is happy then move on and if he needs more time then he can pause play etc.
Anyways rant over lol.
{Ed025's Note - if they showed incidents on the big screen Dow-ney there would be iron girder in the crowd i expect mate so thats a no go for me, its far from perfect though i agree and the standards all around must improve, its a very difficult job though and the media scrutiny is beyond the pale imo, its a hell of a lot of pressure and get it wrong and you will have thousands of supporters baying for your blood, i would personally have a season without VAR and see how that goes as for me it just doesn,t work with the idiots running it, just my take though..
23 Dec 2024 20:59:28
Beckers, they’re just gaslighting you mate. A post went up claiming Spurs fans felt hard done by. A few people (you and I included) simply pointed out where we felt the ref had made some minor mistakes that went in Spurs favour to counter it. It’s not like anyone here went out and started a thread to specifically moan about the referee. It’s just a sad Evertonian who should know better than to feed the “Scouse victims” nonsense, and some teachers pets kissing a55. Nobody ever kicks off like this when Ed001 mention bad refereeing in his match reviews. It’d be very boring on here if we all had the same opinion or were too scared to talk about mistakes from players/ refs in fear of being accused of abuse or victim mentality. Tiresome is an understatement. Funny thing is, to this point you and I are the only people on the thread who’ve actually pointed out specific moments the ref did well. Go figure.
{Ed025's Note - sad Evertonian hey?, i never mentioned the victims narrative but if you can make other things up then why not that as well?, i have always respected your posts actually but i dont know whether its your time of the month or just that you got beat up as a kid but you are totally out of order..
23 Dec 2024 21:02:27
And Ed25 you constantly criticise us for our red tinted specs but if you honestly think that challenge from Pickford was not even a foul then we all have confirmation that anything you say is hugely biased towards the blue side.
Contact doesn’t matter, that was wreckless, overly aggressive, dangerous and spiteful. Everything a red card should be. Gusto was lucky he managed to jump out of the way because had Pickford caught him that could’ve been a career ending challenge. Yet your blue tinted specs are so blue that you didn’t even see a foul?
I’m sorry mate but you’ve let yourself down there. It was a disgraceful challenge with no regard for the welfare of a fellow professional.
{Ed025's Note - you need to get a life BP, so if a guy is dressed up in a ghost costume on halloween and shouts boo to someone should they be dragged away by the police?, its the same intimidation im afraid, what a total snowflake you really are mate, contact does matter for me..
23 Dec 2024 21:35:58
I am anything but a snowflake Ed25 I am always saying how soft the game has gone and that red cards are given too easily these days.
I am also always saying that red cards should be reserved for wreckless, dangerous actions that endanger the opponent through the negligence of the perpetrator. This one from Pickford is exactly what we want stamped out of the game. It was a disgusting challenge and makes me angry just watching it. He couldn’t care less if he snaps Gusto’s leg in two, he even looks away as he jumps in so is not in control. It’s a cowardly, spiteful challenge and deserves more than a red card and a 3 match ban for me. It was that bad.
As for your analogy about a ghost, what utter nonsense is that?
If you swing a punch but miss does that make it ok? If you try to shoot someone but miss is that fine?
It’s the action that should be punished not the result and that action from Pickford could’ve had dire consequences. If you let that go and allow people to go in like that it’s only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.
But as long as it’s not an Everton player I’m sure that won’t bother you anyway.
{Ed025's Note - what a crock of shit, how if you dont catch the person can you be sent off FFS, lmplying to tackle, tackling with intent to get the ball?, or maybe just scaring the opponent just in case he does tackle you?, maybe before that they should clamp down on serial cheats like McAllister for rolling around pretending to be hurt but lying through his teeth? now that would improve the game..
23 Dec 2024 21:46:16
"Me and Oli both stated that very clearly, and Beckers made it clear he was questioning the overall quality of officiating with his closing statement. "
"Sadly a small minority of Liverpool fans are starting to go along with it for an easier life and that only vindicates our rivals to say these slurs more. "
"Trying to rephrase our comments into being something they're not, doesn't wash with me.
Me neither on the last quote, mate. MKS, I could copy paste your whole post BUT I think you get the point.
All we both did was speak on observations about the officiating in the game which was inconsistent not just vs Spurs and how it translates across the whole league, as an opinion. Not sure how people lost their marbles nor where all name calling and ad-hominem attacks, came from.
Keep speaking your mind, mate. Never stop.
Happy Holidays!
23 Dec 2024 22:01:51
Some of you should remember that this thread started with the words 'we get ripped off in most games'.
And some of you should remember that this is a banter site. Fans of other clubs have the right to give us stick as we have the right to laugh at City, United and Everton; as we do.
Folk are going on about Spurs fans moaning about the ref and moaning about refs themselves.
I think it's strange that we batter Spurs at home- even though their defence was decimated by injuries and they only played on Thursday night- and fans are still getting infuriated.
23 Dec 2024 22:12:32
Ed025, did you proof read your first comment on Salah’s post? You basically wrote the definition of a victim mentality out in full length and then blanket applied it over the whole fan base for good measure. That last comment you just sent to me? C’mon man, I’m not even getting into that. Not at all a proportional reaction to what’s going on here.
Merry Christmas, Ed025. It’s not the time of year for this. Enjoy the time with your loved ones.
{Ed025's Note - all the best to you and yours MK mate..
23 Dec 2024 22:26:12
Who’s infuriated Rigsby? Revisionism at its finest ?
OliRed, or should I say Robin (shotgun I’m Batman), I really don’t get the reaction either mate. Should’ve been a pretty civil debate about the quality of refereeing in the Premier League. Oh well. Merry Christmas mate.
24 Dec 2024 08:27:34
How can anyone start an argument after a thrilling 6-3 away win?
Baffling.
23 Dec 2024 22:11:29
Ed, annoying as diving is it’s not physically hurting anyone. No one has ever dived and ended someone else’s career.
People have however, jumped into tackles with reckless abandon and ended people’s careers.
You’re just embarrassing yourself in your attempts to defend the indefensible.
{Ed025's Note - not if they dont make contact BP, stop digging mate..
23 Dec 2024 23:04:40
I’ll come at it from a referee and a refs perspective if I may.
I thought it was a pen TAA on Maddison
The referee not booking Spurs players for mandatory yellow cards when preventing counter attacks with cynical pulls or fouls I cannot understand and as MK stated he did caution Liverpool players for identical fouls.
Now to the football, Liverpool scored 6 but were yet again low on the conversion of guilt edged chances. As Ed025 said we should have scored on almost every attack. I think scoring less than 8 or 9 was poor considering there were 2 1v1 chances and numerous shots from 12-15 yards out.
As for Pickford, they correctly assessed that on MoTD2 it was another lunge out of control similar to the VVD challenge that put him out for a long period. I think he was lucky he only just caught the player as the Chelsea lad jumped high to avoid it. For me if an outfield player does that then it’s serious foul play and a red card, therefore Pickford should have been sent off for endangering an opponents safety. Ed025 won’t want to admit that because Pickford is such a crucial player for Everton and so he can’t afford him suspended.
I will accept the red tinted glasses comment and conspiracy theory accusations for 2 reasons
1) I do believe the PGMOL cheat, Coote has been caught and they’ve tried to make him look like a lone wolf but he is not. I’ve worked with some of these referees in the past and I can absolutely believe they would and do cheat
2) the second is simple, I’ll accept having red conspiracy specs on when Ed025 admits his blue specs and blue Santa hat are the reasons behind him defending Pickford, as Pickford has those
deliberately trying to injure a fellow professional challenges in him and that’s indefensible
Merry Christmas Reds and Blues, here’s to the continued demise of both manc clubs. Cheers gentlemen.
24 Dec 2024 02:55:17
Well, that escalated! it's not like Ed25 to get daft in the moment but it is what it is - uncalled for. Wise posts from both MK and BP.
Many people follow suit to say what others want to hear, I like to be straight up - the refs are sh*te. I'd be one of the first people to say if a ref had a good game but unfortunately it's rare.
24 Dec 2024 09:51:08
I'll say this thread has to be bookmarked.
Really funny serious discussion from first to last.
Happy Christmas!
24 Dec 2024 10:05:15
There is no real reason @Flash - it’s weird.
The thing is there is a lot of conditioned response whenever we play. Whenever we win the majority of posts still focus on what, in the opinion of fans, went wrong. Similarly, the referee is always against us. People have a view and they just regurgitate the view based upon what they thought they were going to see rather than what actually happens.
The Spurs game was excellent entertainment. If anybody likes football they should have enjoyed that game. To me that’s a self-evident truth. The referee. trying to cheat and rob us wasn’t, for me at least, quite as self evident.
24 Dec 2024 10:28:44
Revisionism at its finest, MK?
BP said he found the referee 'infuriating'.
You don't get our reaction to your reactions but we have to get your reactions? All the emotional stuff is coming from you, Robin and Beckers.
I enjoyed the game on Sunday and I didn't feel compelled to start moaning about the referee but each their own, mate.
Happy Olidays!
24 Dec 2024 14:53:45
You may want to re-read the entire thread, Rigsby, the emotional ones are most certainly not the people you have mentioned.
Flock of sheep. Always the same posters.
24 Dec 2024 15:46:48
I've re-read it, Salah, and my opinion hasn't changed.
Who was infuriated and who is moaning about gaslighting?
Some of you struggle with posters that disagree with you. How sensitive do you have to be to talk about gaslighting for saying the ref had a decent game?
I respect your right to your views on referees but what makes you any more right than the refs? The contentious decisions were subjective. I can live with the odd yellow card going against us, especially when we are top of the League. We get them in our favour too.
Why are you making differences of opinions personal, Salah?
Surely it's good for the forum for us to hear other views even if we mightn't agree with them.
You never know, we might all even learn something ?.
All the best to you anyway, Salah ?.
24 Dec 2024 17:58:36
Lol rigsby, look how this thread went when people had opinions - because a few people had the opinion of the ref been bad, everybody jumped on Ed25's bandwagon saying he wasn't bad - hence my 'flock of sheep' comment. It appears you lot don't like to hear other peoples opinions so there's no debate here, no point even talking about it when you can't accept how other people think.
Personally I don't really care if anybody disagrees with me mate, I get disagreed with multiple times daily lol I'm quite used to it but don't expect to be able to talk about opinions when you can't handle it been one other than yours. That's obviously not directed at just you - multiple posters this thread.
All the very best to you too Rigsby. Aside from all of this we all want the same thing, we're all here to discuss a team we support no matter whether we agree or disagree - I disagree with you a lot but value your input as much as I do Leeks ? only messing mate. Have a good one.
{Ed025's Note - its just opinions Salah, its nothing to get upset about mate, just like arseholes...we all have one.. :)