27 Dec 2024 08:01:07
Just wondering
Is Utd's sacking of Dan Ashworth due to the appointment of Amorim whom I believe wanted more inputs in player recruitment Vs Slot who was happy to focus on his role as Head coach when we were considering both?
No doubt Dan's purchases hasn't been setting the world alight but to have gone through the trouble to secure him, then get a coach who didn't want to work with him / the club structure, then sack him, is quite shocking.
I do believe Amorim is a good coach and perhaps a better time to judge him is next season, provided they won't get relegated. By the decision making at Utd is quite something. Think we had our dark years too in the Hicks and Gillet era and I'm glad we are no longer like that, hopefully.
{Ed001's Note - no, Ashworth was removed because he had a different idea of where United were in the process of rebuild. He thought they needed a Southgate-type first, to steady the ship while they got things back together, then an Amorim-type afterwards, when they had a decent squad.}
27 Dec 2024 09:04:32
My word, Ashworth is a fraud. Good for United for acting decisively and getting rid of him so quickly. Can't believe they actually doubled down on Ten Hag ball in the summer transfer window.
{Ed001's Note - or perhaps he had a point and they are not ready for Amorim yet? Results and performances would probably side with him on that.}
27 Dec 2024 09:48:22
I honestly think Tris that Ashworth had a valid point.
27 Dec 2024 09:38:02
I ageee with you Ed. I don’t know how he is going to sort out that mess and all it may do is make him loook like a poor manager.
27 Dec 2024 09:39:24
United needed a steady eddy before they went in for a manager who wanted to tear everything down and do it all his way. Someone like Southgate for maybe two years and then a more niche manager like Amorim would have proven a better and steady long term plan than the mess they are dealing with right now.
27 Dec 2024 10:07:57
dunno if Southgate would ever be the right man for a top club, v negative style for England don't think utd fans would except that style of football after the 1st few months.
I don't know much about amorion apart from what I've read and seen of him in his short time at utd so can't really comment much on him but if it was me who had choice I would've sacked 7 hagg the 1st day ineos took over, clear he wasn't the right man from way out in his tenure, and appointed Marco silva .
I think he would do well.
27 Dec 2024 10:12:50
Quick success is a drug that few can resist.
27 Dec 2024 10:22:36
If Southgate is the answer then I’m not too sure what the question is.
Maybe who wore the waistcoat best?
27 Dec 2024 10:22:49
It seems kind of bizarre to me that when ineos wanted the sporting director they spent months chasing for recommendations on who they should replace ten hag with, they ignored all of his- admittedly unsexy- recommendations, fired him for submitting a conservative list, and hired a coach whose style doesn’t suit the personnel at the club. I think they have a few decent players and mazraoui has actually been a good purchase along with yoro obviously, but basically everybody in the squad bar mainoo can be sold and i’m sure United fans wouldn’t shed a tear.
27 Dec 2024 10:43:59
Do United really need yet another "steadying the ship" period? Results were fantastic when Ole first came in but in hindsight that period was catastrophic for them. Does it really matter if results are bad for them right now? Ten Hag had effectively already written off the season for them. It's only natural that things got worse before they get better when drastic but needed changes are implemented.
I remember Klopp came in in a similar situation and at a similar time of year to Amorim and league form wasn't good for that season but we reaped the benefits afterwards. The last thing United need is a tactically inept cheerleader like Southgate enabling the likes of Rashford and Garnacho by massaging their egos. It would be like they have learned nothing.
27 Dec 2024 11:23:13
Thanks for the info Ed 1
I do think Dan Ashworth is right in this instance
Southgate is no genius of a manager but he knows the PL and may just be able to guide the team towards some effort and sanity
As RS stated, Amorim may now look like a poor manager as he has to rescue the season, build the team and squad, all while his top brass are still in a mess.
27 Dec 2024 11:36:58
Probably not Southgate himself but even bringing Ole back as interim (without making the mistake of hiring him full time! ) to steady the ship. That united team and setup is so broken, I don't really know if anyone (except maybe Jurgen) can instant fix it!
27 Dec 2024 11:52:39
They should've kept van Nistelrooy as interim until the end of the season. Either way though, whoever is in charge faces a near to impossible task, the club from top to bottom is a right state.
27 Dec 2024 12:19:22
The difference, Babbity, is that klopp won titles in a league against a vastly richer and historically dominant side, as well as having reached European finals with the most frightening pressing team on the continent, everybody could see that he would take any team that hired him to the top given the time and resources and we all knew he was an absolute coup when he signed for us. Amorim has a track record improving players and organising a team, sure, but he also has a transfer team choosing the right players, something he currently lacks, and he is obviously much less of a sure bet than klopp was at the time. With united’s financial situation and being tied to freshly inked player contracts under ten hag they’ll have to do a serious fire sale of whatever they can get rid of to start doing enough surgery to get the team playing Amorim’s way.
27 Dec 2024 13:37:28
Amorim needs time.
His football style and identity is totally different to ETH and it was never going to be likely that he would walk in and steady that ship.
He talks a lot about getting results, which screams to me that there is top down pressure focused only on results. This will cripple him and his chance to develop them.
27 Dec 2024 13:53:53
I think that Southgate would have been the man to change the culture at the cub, which would then give a winning manager a chance.
I am so glad that they are still in disaray.
27 Dec 2024 15:54:39
To be fair, Amorim wanted to take over at the end of the season and they wouldn't allow it - more stupidity from whoever handled it. The man isn't a daft fella but at the same time I don't understand why any manager would fancy their chances with such a sh*t show over there. He'd of done better staying where he was and going for a different position with a better balanced club. Instead he chose the one proving to be on a fast downward spiral.