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12 Jan 2025 01:29:01
Hello all, just my take on darwin, I personally love him as our player, I know he's not perfect, but he's got great attitude an always tries his best whenever he plays, doesn't moan when not picked an plays any position asked of him. He creates chaos and because of his runs, other team mates get more space. I know he can be very frustrating when it comes to finishing and he has had time with us, but i still belive it will click for him at some stage, remember how terrible drogba was for like 2 years when he came to chelsea and look what happened after that, I'm just saying let's get behind him rather than jump on his back at evey opportunity.

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12 Jan 2025 04:08:20
Except Drogba was wasn't terrible for Chelsea for the first two years, quite the opposite. He was excellent in his first year as a target man for Lampard’s runs despite having injuries, while in his second year he scored nearly 20 goals while often working in a front two with Crespo.
In any case, Drogba comparisons aren’t appropriate with Nunez because the former is one of the best strikers of all time. He had absolutely everything: finishing, speed, aggression, aerial dominance, elite first touch, accurate crossing, more power than any defender, excellent set pieces, top record in the biggest games…
One of my favourite ever players despite his infuriating history at Chelsea.
Nunez is not working out here. I’m not demanding he be sold because I did that with Gravenberch and was completely wrong, but Nunez isn’t producing enough.

12 Jan 2025 05:54:33
Nunez doesn’t have the game intelligence to succeed. This is why he never will - it’s not like practicing shooting until you get better.

He has no composure and to add to that can control a ball or beat a man. Unfortunately time to call a spade a spade. If we want to win the league we need a clinical
Number 9 who can make the difference in a tight game.

If all he does is work hard we should see if we can turn him into a joelinton type player.

12 Jan 2025 07:02:20
Actually Drogba had 16 goals in each of his first two seasons at Chelsea, 32 total. Nunez scored 33 goals in his first two seasons at Liverpool.

12 Jan 2025 07:31:21
@OP, last week he deliberately played the man and not the ball and he should have been sent off. His attitude has flaws. There’s definitely a lot of huff and puff but his game management is poor - offside too many times, he gets rattled to easily, and his finishing is below average for the top level of professional football.

12 Jan 2025 08:38:21
I’m still behind Nunez as I am every player but we can’t give him the blind love a mother does. Other players get criticised without it triggering posters but Nunez criticism really seems to touch some people’s nerves.

Just on this

“ but he's got great attitude an always tries his best whenever he plays, doesn't moan when not picked an plays any position asked of him”


Which players in the squad does that not sum up. It’s making out as though that’s what sets Darwin apart from the rest.

Yes he does make space and run around a lot but I’d argue that the other 9 (10 when he’s not on the pitch) outfield players also do that.

He’s played less than half the league minutes this season (44% to be exact) so either we are getting lucky with space the other 56% of the time or some of the other players are creating it.

12 Jan 2025 08:53:25
I'm one of the biggest darwin fans on here but even I have to admit that he hasn't been great this year. A lot of this is down to what slot wants from his no9, and to his credit nunez has adapted his game a lot this year off the ball and defensively, but in front of goal he has been even more wasteful and indecisive than usual. Maybe he knows he isn't the long term solution and it's hurting his performances? Who knows. Being a 9 in our system at present is also kind of a tough job given that our attacking spearhead and focus is always going to be mo, and the other forwards have to adjust their game to afford him the most space and time.

One thing I will say though is that he still works better with mo in combination play than any of our other central option. Also there's the fact that once in a game he'll pull something out the bag that will make your jaw drop, like the instinctive shot he got on target late in the game against spurs out of nothing at all. I love Darwin and very much want him to succeed but i wonder if he'd be doing much better at a team like atleti.

12 Jan 2025 09:33:01
More “chaos “ nonsense. Drogba scored 32 goals over all competitions in 81 appearances in his first 2 seasons mate. You must be thinking of another player.

12 Jan 2025 09:35:26
Nunez here 2.5years now and still the 2 best games I've seen him play where the 2 games he played against us for benfica in champ league. He looked brilliant in them games, caused us all sorts of trouble, scored 2r3 over the 2 legs had another couple ruled out threw v tight offsides, all different type finishes. Just doesn't look the same player at all. got sent off in his 1st start if I remember correctly against palace, bad start and it's never just come right for him here.
Doesn't look comfortable playing for us from day 1, it just not going to work out unfortunately. No doubt he could do well somewhere else and I still think we will get decent fee for him.

12 Jan 2025 10:37:39
Drogba is so weirdly over rated. In his 9 seasons at Chelsea he only had 2 world class seasons. A very impressive 37 and also a 33. He only scored 16, 16, 15, 14, 13, 13 and 7 goals in his other seasons. That’s all competitions. If you only look at League goals he has a couple of seasons where he scored 5 or less and the rest were around 8-12. He was definitely a good player, but one of the best strikers of all time? Absolutely not. He’s not even in the top 50 in my opinion. He never caught much flak because he happened to have a midfielder behind him in Lampard who scored so many that he could get away with it. His numbers are not much better than Firmino who played as a false 9 and brought far more to the team overall. You could argue Bobby was similarly lucky that Salah scored so many from the wing to take the heat off him.

As Thunderbird rightly pointed out, before this season Nunez was returning a very similar number of goals to most of Drogba’s seasons. I think it was an understandable comparison from the OP to an extent. The difference is though that Drogba did drop a couple of high returns in his Premier League career and he also scored in quite a few finals. If we gave Nunez 9 years maybe he would have a couple of purple patches and memorable goals too, but we can’t take the chance because Salah is not guaranteed to stay much longer and we don’t have a Lampard-type midfielder scoring 20 goals a season. So we need a more reliable number 9. A prime Drogba wouldn’t be any good to us either though. Good player, but should be nowhere near “one of the best strikers of all time” debates. I know we’ve had guys like Ngog, Carroll and Morientes to lower our standards, but C’mon guys!

{Ed025's Note - Drogba was good MK...but not a Bob Latchford mate..

12 Jan 2025 10:50:33
But did Drogba create space?

Gone are the days where we critique a striker on goals. The Rushes, Van Bastens, Shearer and Ronaldo’s (Brazilian) etc of this world might have known where the onion basket was.

But did they really love playing for their clubs and run around a lot creating space.

That’s the stats I really want to see.

12 Jan 2025 11:07:52
MK, Drogba is very clearly not overrated, nor is it weird to rate him so highly. In fact, it’s weird how he is rarely mentioned in PL XIs. I would concede that Drogba had only two truly prolific seasons, but he was so much more than just goals in a similar way that Firmino was, only Drogba was substantially better, and far more decisive in the crunch moments.
“A prime Drogba wouldn’t be any good to us. ”.

12 Jan 2025 11:12:05
Salah said Nunez makes space like Bobby did. I would trust his opinion, based on actual playing facts over any poster on here.

12 Jan 2025 11:36:48
Salah said this “Who do I most like to play with? It was Firmino. Now I feel like I generally like playing with Nunez. "

He never mentioned Nunez makes space like Bobby.

Robbie Fowler said this yesterday For me, the more I see him, the more I think he's not a Liverpool player. People might have a go at me for saying that.
"You're not signing a player or bringing a player in because he works hard. You've got to come in and you've got to score goals

I’m not sure If Fowler knows what he’s talking about though.

12 Jan 2025 11:36:50
Drogba was excellent. A top, top player.
We always struggled with him; even when he was at Marseille.
Carragher and Hyypia couldn't handle him. Hyypia had the strength to but not the pace and vice versa for Carragher. Rio Ferdinand kept him quiet in their CL final but Drogba performed at the top level for years and he was huge when Chelsea somehow beat Bayern to win their first one.

12 Jan 2025 11:56:50
Yeah Drogba was a great player, he had it all and although caused us hassle when he played us he was an excellent player to have in the league. Like Henry, Salah - up there with the top in my opinion.

12 Jan 2025 12:38:40
I think if we had a prime Drogba scoring 5-12 league goals in 80% of his seasons you’d all be moaning that we need a striker who scores more goals. People love looking back through rose tinted glasses. I stand by it. Massively over rated. Good player but miles off the level of strikers like Rooney, Shearer, Aguero, Henry, Van Nistelrooy etc.

12 Jan 2025 12:54:12
Im with MKS a bit here In his first two seasons, DD scored 10 goals each to the point that Jose wanted the then unplayable Adriano at Inter to come challenge and take his spot. Drogba also had a wretched reputation of being a whiner and a serial diver as well in those 2 seasons. His break out season was in 06/ 07 where he became very prolific and that is where his strory essentially began.

Drogba IMO, wasn't the most technical on the ball. Far from it. However, he made up for it by his fierce determination to prove doubters wrong, never hid in games and began the ultimate big game player, even bigger than Thierry Henry ever was even tho, Henry was way better of a footballer.


As for Darwin, it will be what it will be. At the time of his signing, I mentioned here that as much as I like him for the fotballin ability and qualities that he possesses (along with his infectuous attitude), he will either succeed or fail on his own merits alone. I stand by that so if he goes then, he goes and we move on.

12 Jan 2025 13:13:53
You stick to your guns MK mate ?.

12 Jan 2025 13:31:50
Best thing for him would be club in Spain and with a coach that builds the team around him.

I expect he will get better as he loses some of the raw speed. It'll force him to adapt his game and likely the decision making in front of goal will improve.

We obviously cannot wait for that.

Until the summer, he's our player and we should support him in the same way he grafts for the club.

12 Jan 2025 13:41:17
Oli, Drogba was world class technically. He had elite ball control with his feet, chest and head which, combined with his size and strength, made him such a good outlet. He also scored a fairly astonishing variety of goals throughout his career. The one thing Drogba lacked, arguably, was a poacher’s instinct.
“Drogba broke out in 06/ 07” - Again, wrong. Drogba broke out with a 30-goal season at Marseille in 2004, which got him the move to Chelsea, who paid a record fee for him.

12 Jan 2025 13:41:33
Drogba and Darwin should never ever be used in the same sentence again! Ever.

12 Jan 2025 16:11:13
Aye, Drogba was overrated because he wasn't as good as Shearer, Henry, Aguero etc.
He was a different player than Henry and Aguero were. He was more of a Shearer type and could do things you wouldn't expect from Henry and Aguero. Drogba was one of the best strikers in the world, in his prime.
Without a doubt. And he played in a defensively minded Mourinho team for a lot of his career.
The OP was comparing him to Darwin Nunez not Shearer, Henry or Aguero.
Nunez is not even the best striker at Liverpool nevermind one of the top strikers in the PL.

12 Jan 2025 23:35:27
Hello everyone,
We all have our own opinions and I respect that, but I stand by what I said, drogba was terrible in his first 2 years, to the point he would have been sold if someone came in with a decent offer. Then he exploded and was a brilliant stiker, il not saying darwin is like for like as a player, but I genuinely think he can be world class if it clicked, he clearly has all the attributes, tall, quick and powerful and has shown glimpses of his undoubtedly ability, but I agree it has not been enough. I think he would be brilliant for athletico madrid with that type of football they play. But as of now he is still our player so I hope he can get that bit of luck and hit a purple patch, which should hopefully give him the confidence to kick on.

13 Jan 2025 00:05:05
The Nunez criticism, like it is for many players that fans love to hate on, just goes over board. That's why people who want to support that player can appear like motherly love, because in the face of that over the top criticism, ya kinda have to be a bit over the top in the opposite direction make the case.

In real terms whichever way we slice it, Nunez hasn't produced enough goals / assists so far in his Liverpool career to date. I don't prescribe to the narrative that he can't control the ball, or beat his man, or that he has no composure etc etc because he has shown all of that many times. He just doesn't do it consistently.

I am a big Nunez supporter and the reason I'd back him is because despite the lack of G/ A it doesn't really appear to be impacting his game at all. Other strikers you'd see them moping around and not putting a shift in. We have a guy who does put a shift in every game and looks like he would die in the shirt. That kind of mentality is gold for a squad. last thing we want is an overpriced sook impacting the team on and off the pitch. we don't have that with Darwin, we have the complete opposite.

Ultimately it may be the best move from him and us that he secure a move to another club. But in the meantime, spending time going on and on about his lack of goals is just tiresome and tbh, if you're choosing to only focus on that and ignore everything else, then you're just being a troll.





 

 

 
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