29 Jun 2025 22:22:09
Huijsen to geuhi is some downgrade. The mental gymnastics towards saying he's a potential great addition is amusing. Huijsen went to Madrid, that's fine but we clearly we're seeking a top young centre back. That's some fall of to miss out on your no 1 target to mark guehi. I thought Hughes was brought in to help unearth potential stars such as a kerkez and huijsen whilst they're a little unknown.
Guehi is decent and no more. We were clearly looking for a future star cb and that was in huijsen. Geuhis being spoke about at the same sort of price as a "third choice cb" which I doubt he will be either. Spend the money now on a hato or young potential top cb to take over eventually from virg. Guehis apparently a great guy but he's substandard.
29 Jun 2025 22:35:18
Hato played 1 game at CB last season in a league not much stronger than the Scottish Premiership. Let’s be sensible here. Guehi isn’t the best option for CB in my opinion (far from a great buy, so we agree there), but he’s significantly more ready to start at CB for us than Hato is.
You talked about mental gymnastics and then offered an alternative who is 19 years old, 10 stone soaking wet, primarily plays LB at his current club, and plays in a league where Southampton arguably would be title contenders.
29 Jun 2025 22:40:42
Did the Frimpong, Wirtz and Kerkez signings happen all on their own then?
29 Jun 2025 23:00:33
Pecsi (17) and Schluter (16)! two so far with circa two months left of the transfer window!
Everything comes to thee who waits?
Pax Tibi!
29 Jun 2025 23:07:27
Utter nonsense Batman! He's a very good defender and leader. He's a great age with lots of experience. You offer a youngster who barely plays the position in question at the moment! Bedtime.
29 Jun 2025 23:07:30
He's had a hard rap on here, including from ed01, who is usually spot on. but I like the signing of Guehi if it goes through and if we can also resign Konate. Massive massive upgrade on Quansah and still with room to improve.
24 year old club captain with more than 100 games in the prem and more than 20nat international level. Not to be sniffed at. Added to that he seems like a good lad with who doesn't bother with the social media circus. I'll take him at LFC any day of the week.
29 Jun 2025 23:28:42
You’re right Batman. We should spit our dummy out and sign no one!
30 Jun 2025 00:12:03
Mental gymnastics is wanting the club to spend millions on an unproven player playing in a substandard league who you’ve never seen play rather than a Premier League proven international.
30 Jun 2025 00:51:28
Huijsen and Kerkez are both full internationals.
Guehi might be a little unknown and has not shown his full potential yet.
If you want hidden gems, you should understand what hidden means,
30 Jun 2025 01:03:55
Just my thoughts as a counter batman.
What do we do if we sign two young gems and either konate or van dijk go out with a long term injury?
Fowler forbid if it was van dijk for I don't think konate is going to pull a young cub through the trenches week after week.
Guehi or someone of similar experience is a required buy to safeguard the backbone of a title winning team. Is he a world beater, probably not. But apart from being a pretty decent cb he also has experience. Lots of average and above footballers thrive in an environment where they are playing with players with a higher skill set. He's very good on the ball, in games where teams sit back it might be a big plus. That's a lot of games by the way.
We need a cb with decent experience in the door first. After that then we look at another addition in the mould your looking for. Huijsen was a bit of an anomaly and will most likely be world class ahead of schedule. He was always going to Madrid so there's nothing we could do about it.
He would have been the top pick no doubt.
I don't think there are too many more young ones like him out there ready to step in no fuss.
If gomez goes we will need two centre halves. To buy two young ones would be madness.
If konate is going this summer the problem becomes worse. But I think he stays this season no matter the outcome.
Guehi is just about to turn 25 so he's younger than van dijk when he signed. Even if it wasn't guehi, someone around that age makes sense.
Hato looks an exciting prospect no doubt. But if van dijk went down at some point could he step in to cb and keep the ship steady. Perhaps he could but he's a hybrid at the moment trying to find his true position. By all accounts he's very mature for his age also so there is that.
Personally I'd love guehi and hato both through the door but if it was only one between the two this summer I'd pick guehi.
It makes more sense as it covers more outcomes. If there was a guarantee van dijk played every game then hato could be a gamble worth going for.
But if Robertson and timy both go then maybe hato comes in anyway.
I think at this point we trust the transfer team. There's very much a long term planning aspect to this summers transfer window. After the thre signings we have made its a bit hard to throw mud at the window.
We can want what we want but the reality is always the leveller. I'm pretty sure we would jump at isak at 100 million and bastoni at 60 but the total for both could be way north of 200 million.
We have just signed a potential generational talent in wirtz. I'm more than happy to scale back a slight touch in other areas to bring him in.
The transfer window doesn't shut forever after this summer.
I'm already looking forward to watching us next season. And the feeling of positivity is much better that some seasons I've experienced.
All the challengers will get stronger. Next season sees slot go toe to toe with pep after pep has a full training camp.
Buckle up it's going to be a fun ride.
Ps. Arsenal finish second.
30 Jun 2025 01:34:32
I think if Slot is happy to get Guehi, then the fans should all be on board, too.
30 Jun 2025 05:42:20
All this talk of Guehi not being a standard to play for Liverpool.
Coutinho when he’s first come in, Robertson, Gomez (sadly injuries) Henderson. The list can go on. Players who hugely improved under the right coaching. Yes there is an opposite list of failures.
You know what we did with every one of these players from each list. We got behind the player and gave them us. Fan support. Believed in them and made them proud to be one of us
LFC, the greatest place to be!
When he’s one of ours. We give him what Liverpool means to us all.
30 Jun 2025 07:30:12
To @Gazza’s point, Lucas Leiva, perhaps even Millie - not appreciated for what they could be. Not saying Guehi is a world beater but the type of players we are signing suggests there is thought going into this - if Guehi is good enough for the club n their opinion then I’m happy to give them the benefit of the doubt.
30 Jun 2025 07:39:13
He's a very good player for a good price. We know our transfer team can't resist good value propositions to replace spaces in the squad. He is young, is a leader, has a skill set that suits a possession-based team, seldom makes mistakes, is very good one on one, carries the ball well, is decently good at everything a center back needs to be good at with the only caveat being that he is quite weak in the air. I think that if the price were to be higher than what is reported we wouldn't go for him, but if that really is his price then I can definitely see him being a priority for the transfer team as a replacement for Quansah and potentially Gomez. I was initially really ambivalent about this deal but the more you think about it the more it seems largely an agreeable deal, as long as we are also signing a young CB like Ait-Boudlal on top of everything.
30 Jun 2025 09:05:37
Too add my tuppence worth. I thought Guehi was a Quansah replacement so OP is not comparing apples to apples.
The long-term VVD replacement search is still ongoing.
Guehi is a definite upgrade on Quansah and may well push Konate for a starting spot. Especially as Guehi rarely gets injured. He has missed 16 games in total since the start of the 20/ 21 season and 13 of those were in one spell.
He is two-footed and calmer than a lot on here have given him credit for, whereas Konate can be a bit of a basket case sometimes (PSG anyone? ) .
30 Jun 2025 09:19:33
I’m confused about Guehi “not being that well known”. He was arguably the best player for England in the last Euros and we made the final. He has around two-dozen caps, and captained the FA Cup-winning team.
30 Jun 2025 09:34:55
Guehi isn’t a good enough defender to start for us. Not a patch on Konate and no amount of hand wringing changes that. Loses far too many aerial and ground duels and switches off at vital moments (as Spain’s goals against England in the Euros final showed, looked all at sea for the first - just watch it, it’s an object lesson in how not to defend against top class opponents - and completely lost his man and was on the wrong side of him for the second) . As for mistakes, 3 own goals last season suggests that he has a lack of positional awareness and having a defender who loses nearly as many aerial challenges as he wins potentially makes us a soft touch at set pieces. Konate wins 71% of his aerial duels, whereas Guehi only wins around 55%. Any physical striker over 6 foot will have a field day against him as he’s quite short and weak for a centre back. As squad filler he’s fine, as he is a sticking plaster in a few positions, but not much more than that. There are lots better options than him around if we’re looking for a starting centre back to replace Konate, and him being Palace’s captain or playing for England aren’t persuasive arguments that he’s good enough to replace Konate, particularly playing for England as there isn’t one top class English centre back playing at the moment and the talent pool is extremely thin. Guehi is as good as he’s going to get, which is a fairly average English centre back, he’s not going to be coached into the second coming of Alan Hansen sorry to burst anyone’s bubble. I am with Ed001.
30 Jun 2025 09:41:42
Personally I think Guehi is an upgrade on Konate.
Good solid defender…. Rarely makes mistakes and
although still young he’s very experienced.
{Ed001's Note - where does this rarely make mistakes come from? Every time I have watched him, the thing I come away with is that he seems to make a lot of mistakes. I would say the same about Konate, who can be brilliant when he is at it, but far too often he is rash, weak and error prone just when you need him. Both are very inconsistent and I would prefer us to be looking for an upgrade on Konate.}
30 Jun 2025 10:07:38
Kudos to you RedWolverine for taking the time to share your well thought out thoughts!
30 Jun 2025 10:33:59
I meant that Guehi's talent might not be that well known and he hasn't reached his potential yet, Lit Man Nan.
Obviously I have heard of him but I don't know how good he is or could be. I haven't seen enough to have an opinion, really.
I have seen a lot of Konate and I don't think he's that good or indispensable. He might be better than Guehi but we don't know what Konate's plans are and the club could be looking at replacing him.
I wouldn't be shocked if Guehi turns out to be better than Konate and I don't think he'll come to do what Quansah or Gomez do. But, again, I don't know.
We're not talking about him replacing van Dijk, here, and don't forget that Klopp often preferred Quansah to Konate.
30 Jun 2025 11:59:58
Thanks for the reply, Rigsby. I understand. I see Guehi as an option to use against less-rugged centre forwards and when the ball is on the floor a lot more.
30 Jun 2025 18:08:10
I'd like to ask Ed01 a question based on his reply to Liver La regarding Guehi, I've often read your opinions about players, and undoubtedly after doing so, I can only see things that you say about them are correct, be that good or bad.90 percent of the time anyway. my question is this, I see what you say about the Guehi potential signing, I would not know enough about him to comment either way, but LFC would have done their due diligence, so what would prompt them to try sign him? . they surely see what you see and obviously some more, could you explain in any way please why they're positively looking at him to join our first team squad? . Many thanks.
{Ed001's Note - they are looking at stats and he looks good on stats because he is very good in possession. Stats don't show positional sense, they don't provide context either by pointing out the Palace were a very defensive team, which made it easier for defenders to play. They will look at things like his 1 on 1 defensive stats, which will be good but those don't really show a true picture as his 1 on 1s were usually in a position of strength for him. There were rarely times he was truly one on one, there were rarely times that there was no cover or players in position to reduce the options of the man on the ball. The stats will not show that a man running at him had men either side blocking them from being able to take the ball out of reach etc.}
01 Jul 2025 10:50:35
Very good to know. Thanks Ed01. I'll have another question I'm sure fairly soon.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome. It is why clubs still need good scouts, rather than just relying on stats. It is impossible to provide proper context to the stats without actually watching every match to see the exact position of everyone at every crucial moment.}