Liverpool Rumours Archive July 14 2013

14 Jul 2013 22:11:52
Hi eds,

Do you think man city will make a bid for Suarez to replace Tevez? I'd sooner he went to city than arsenal also city more likely to show us the money so to speak.

Carlos. {Ed002's Note - It is not on the cards right now as far as I can tell.}

City are after Jovetic with only personal terms needed to be negotiated according to the rags

Ed can we expect a bid from Real Madrid anytime soon?
I want him gone as soon as possible but it looks like RM are not even interested. {Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}

I know Ed YCAQAT but are Real still interested and are they ever going to submit a bid? {Ed002's Note - As I have explained, Real Madrid are keeping their options open. There was interest in other players, but they are no longer available. As you will expect, the player's representatives are very keen to resolve matters this week to avoid what will be a very difficult situation. Arsenal will provide an increased bid but there is a reason that they may not be successful with that bid. You need patience.}

I am a patient man Ed but there are Suarez interviews almost every other day and after every passing interview he starts slagging LFC more and more. It is really difficult to take. {Ed002's Note - There is still a long way to go with the transfer window but the player himself will be keen to avoid any sort of confrontational return next week. It is not something that can be hurried.}

Is that reason because the bid isn't high enough or do you mean another reason? {Ed002's Note - Something entirely different, but not something we are going to discuss.}

Thanks for the reply. Do you think if Real were to offer Higuain as part of the deal that he would realistically be open to the move? {Ed002's Note - It does not seem to be an option right now and I don't know if he would be willing to drop out of European competition completely.}

Couple of rumours that Bayern are about to bid for Suarez. Considering Guardiola recently said that the only player he want to sign was Thiago, I guess it's rubbish?

Managers shouldn't really comment on wanting players who are under contract elsewhere.
Nor do sensible managers comment on possible targets openly before a deal is clinched.

I see Suarez has now said he will be at Liverpool next season.Possibly just a ploy to avoid putting in a transfer request.
Also rumours of offers of part ex deals involving Higuan of RM and Shaquiri from Bayern.
All three of those options are better than selling to a PL club.
CR

14 Jul 2013 15:40:04
Ed002 is it possible that we'll sell Suarez to Arsenal & do u see them coming in wit a new bid?
ConcernedRed {Ed002's Note - I expect they will bid again - whether it will be enough for Liverpool I don't know. I suspect he will probably not end up there but you cannot rule it out completely.}

32m + Wilshere

It would be just like us to sell to a rival :( really don't want us to sell to an EPL side it is just stupid if we do, we should not be trying to make our push to get back into the top 4 any harder! just makes no sense to me!

14 Jul 2013 17:26:08
How bout 30+Gervinho, a winger wit excellent dribbling & pace plus we get 30mil to strengthen th team aswell.

If it were do able, I'd try and include Wilshere in some kind of swap deal, he's going to be a special player if he can stay fit.

30m + Gervinho values Suarez at about 25m. {Ed052's Note - haha. Then genuinely made me giggle lol}

30 plus gervinho?maybe 30 plus higuain. Glad your not running the show

If we sell Suarez to arsenal it would just show fsg don't give a crap about Liverpool and have no ambition. {Ed052's Note - how does it???-}

"Have no ambition" is the chav code for "Liverpools owners should spend heavily all the time" with scant disregard for sustainability and FFP

14 Jul 2013 18:41:12
Because they will make one of our main rivals stronger.

More like prove conclusively that Suarez doesn't give a crap about Liverpool. Yet some on hear would still sing his name out and blame FSG and call Borini rubbish. Astonishing defense and support for a player who is nowhere near deserving it- if we showed half as much towards the owners and players who simply get on with it (like Lucas, Henderson, and Borini) then perhaps we might actually see something positive from this.

I imagine Arsenal fans look forward to Gervinho heading away for the African nations every two years. Wilshere's proper good though I'd rate him at £30m himself and no chance they'd let him go (unless for big money) and he wouldn't come to us (at present anyway)

Wilshere is a future Arsenal captain. He's their Gerrard. There is no way on earth he would move to us. It would only happen if we did and AFC didn't get champions league next season and even then I don't think he'd move.

Gerrard and Carra want Suarez to stay.

Well said; no sense in my opinion to hold on to Suarez since he has made it clear that his head has been turned. We need to move on and provide our support to those that want to fight for a 4th place next season. If Suarez happens to stay for another season (only way that would happen if no bid >40M is received) then we should give him the support to push us forward.

How come sustainability and FFP doesn't apply to the teams who finished above us last season? FSG would be crazy to let him go to one of our rivals. {Ed002's Note - It does apply.}

Totally agree with the above poster another thing Liverpool fans should remember is to pay more attention to our team than others. if we have got a unhappy player sulking the team will suffer more keeping him than selling to a rival and so called strengthening their team. Plus Liverpool would re invest money back into the team and strengthen other areas aswell. The name on the front is a lot bigger than the name on the back

Davylivercabs

Ed 52 how does it? You have got to be kidding me mate, arsenal are a team we could potentially be fighting with come the end of the season for a place in the champions league and you think it would be ok to sell one of the hottest match winning strikers around to our rivals! Wouldn't be doing ourselves any favours there would we ed! {Ed052's Note - I've explained why I'd like LS at Arsenal}

14 Jul 2013 21:37:55
Gervinho is one of the worst players to wear an Arsenal shirt . behave yourself

Ill rather have walcott than any other arsneal player if swaps come inn

You just dislike suarez after what he has done ed if he goes to arsenal there challenging for the league not 4th well take years to break in then years you can't deny how good he is arsenal are doing to us what United done to them taken the best player from the team {Ed002's Note - Suarez has been a shit to the club and fans. It is nothing to do with me.}

If Suarez was capable of sending a team 3 spots up the league table, why hasn't he done that for us? We've gone from 7th pre-Suarez to, well, 7th. Why do you automatically assume Suarez in an Arsenal kit would suddenly propel Arsenal from 4th to 1st?

Wilshere has only played 62 Premier league games for Arsenal he scored 1 league goal and assisted 8 league goals. He's 21 and already wrapped in cotton wool. Every time he goes in for a tackle every Arsenal fan drops their load thinking that's his season is over. He has showed quality, he's a very good player but he doesn't score anywhere near enough or create enough scoring chances, ultimately he isn't productive enough for the hype.

In all of Wilshere's 97 games for the Gooners he's managed 5 goals and created 16 assists. which is don't think is good enough for the hype, people say he's not a goal scorer, cheers, I can see that from his single figure goal tally of 1, his assists are a little better but the majority of those came three seasons ago, last season he got one assist in Europe, none in any domestic cup competition and only 5 in the League.

Example of what I mean, Coutinho scored 3 league goals and 7 league assists in 13 Premiership games, Wilshere is the same age and has about 50 games more under his belt in the Premier league but Coutinho statistics already smash Wilshere's away in comparison to minutes on the pitch to ratio for goals scored and assists created. I predict more of the same next season. If Wilshere was at Villa and Scottish he'd get less than half the hype he does now.

Glimpses of excellence sandwiched between lots of average matches. This at such an attacking club as Arsenal, not good enough and unless he pulls out a monster season and chips in with double figures assists, I think more and more people will pick up on his lack of productivity.

Take Jordan Henderson's stats, scored 6 goals from midfield last season 5 in the League and got 4 Prem assists but the player was maligned for much of the season by the press and even some of our own fans. But he was much more productive overall than Wilshere was. Just food for thought, Wilshere has quality but it's no good unless it changes matches and ultimately defines results and he doesn't do that as a player. yet.

BCDI.

Wilshire is a completely different player, Wilshire sits far deeper and dictates the play. Lucas haf the best stats in Europe at one point does that make him better than Xavi, no chance. Commence sense every time.

Fact is however talented an individual suarez may be he don't want to play for Liverpool and frankly I couldn't care less if he leaves or not. can't see him ending up at arsenal as wenger is hell bent on getting a good deal all the time and Liverpool won't let him go for less than 40million. certainly not too another epl team. as for wiltshire as much as i'd love to see him play for lfc I can't see that happening. if he was even available there would be a queue and I suspect he would command a similar transfer fee to suarez. just hope lfc can sell suarez and and brendan can invest the money wisely and with a little luck we can push for top four next year. rome wasnt built in a day.

Ed052 which is wat? {Ed052's Note - Just explained on the banter page bud}

Personally I think that Suarez would want to play for Liverpool if we were in the Champions League. But we're not, so he wants to move to a club that is. If we were challenging for 4th when we played Chelsea last season I doubt that he would have bitten Ivanovic. It seemed crazy at the time, but the bite was a way of forcing a move.

14 Jul 2013 15:25:03
I no u said we have intrest in a some midefielders care to share a few
Lfcleee {Ed002's Note - Chadli, Jorginho, Praet. You can find more about them via the Search function.}

And the interest in Chadli and Praet could lead to a bid in you're opinion Ed? {Ed002's Note - Possibly. The interest in Praet has been there a while.}

Hi Eds do you think Praet is ready for the first team? If so I think he would be a wise acquisition as he wouldn't stifle Coutinho's development and would settle for a place on the bench and can play when Coutinho doesn't thus keeping the shape, system and continuity of the team. We may not challenge for honours in the next season or two but I am optimistic about the young team Rogers is assembling we are going to be world beaters in the not too distant future. Take a bow Ibe, Sinclair, Mclaughlin, Kelly, Sterling, Yesil, Alberto, Aspas, et al {Ed052's Note - He would be ready, yes.}

Jorginho is going to Everton

Nacer Chadli has apparently been lined up by Spurs i've read, also AC Milan are apparently taking Jorginho on the cheap from Verona and Praet has apparently interested Chelsea, Milan (not sure which one) and Dortmund. So it might be tough to compete with these teams who all have CL besides Tottenham.

14 Jul 2013 14:31:02
hi eds do we have any intrest in bertrand {Ed002's Note - Nobody has enquired after Bertrand has far as I know, but it doesn't mean that Liverpool won't make an enquiry. He is in the Far East right now.}

Don't want him. Don't want him. Don't like him

14 Jul 2013 18:19:29
Ed002, is he any good haven't seen a lot {Ed002's Note - I am not one to really "rate" players.}

He's only ok. He wouldn't go from Chelsea's bench to ours

14 Jul 2013 10:58:56
Hey Eds, the Napoli president has claimed that Ibrahimovic has refused to play with Cavani and has been promised a transfer by PSG. With this in mind, is it possible PSG could go for Suarez as a replacement for Ibrahimovic, as well Cavani?

Thanks. {Ed002's Note - It is possible - try the search function as I have dealt with it in the past - around July 8 or 9.}

I kind of accept that Suarez has gone, so with that in mind, I'd rather we sold to PSG at least they will give us £50m, we won't be selling to a domestic rival and also sticking two fingers up at Madrid in the process.

14 Jul 2013 09:42:19
Morning.

Just wanted to say that people should not get their hopes up regarding a swap deal for Suarez. They're very uncommon in football as Ed002 will tell you, outside of a Juve special offer.

Real may look to throw a player or two in, but I doubt it'll be one you want. They will value said player at the very premium price, hence limiting the amount of funds they offer on top. I think we'll ask for straight cash e.g Torres, around £45 mil should do it. We'll then use that money on a RW and AM, with Aspas being used up top.

We may still look at a LB, DM and CB, but the latter (ideally Papadopolous), will be dependant on Skrtel leaving. Bertrand (mentioned my Mirror, so unreliable) was mentioned last night. Personally I think for £4 - £6 mil, it may be a good deal, but I do think we'll look at Taylor from Swansea if he proves himself fit pre season.

I think Robinson and Flannagan will go on loan, perhaps so will Wisdom depending on Kelly's fitness. Assaidi, Reina, Coates, Spearing and Pacheco will all leave permanently.

We've been a little unlucky with our pursuit of the 1st team players (we need to push onto top 4, Papa, Mkhitaryan) so let's hope we make some progress over the next few weeks.

Papa G {Ed002's Note - Callejon was the player that Real Madrid originally had in mind but he has since moved on.}

Agree with the outs, personally I don't think Skrtel will leave and if he stays i'm happy as we've got 4/5 quality CB'S in Skrtel-Agger-Toure-Kelly-Wisdom, Also I think your right Real Madrid will offer reserve team players and cash rather than Higuain and cash, hopefully we get £45M as that can then buy 2 quality 1st team players not more squad players.

Bertrand is NOT unreliable. He would walk into almost any teams left back position in the prem.

Agree with the posts, glad we avoided Callejon, just not good enough in my book. Hope we play hard ball over Suarez, he is a £50m player, ban or not.

Suarez to stay Skrtel to leave is starting to look nailed on.

Personally will be happy with 40 million pounds. We could easily get a top AM and RW using it. Also Ed any truth we are interested in Ryan Bertrand fron Chelsea?
He would be a quality back-up LB if bought at around 5 million.

£40 million is the absolute maximum anyone will pay for Suarez. Everyone knows he is unhappy. This will drag on and on, with buyers knowing that LFC will need to sell before the season starts.

Forget all this crap about Liverpool keeping him and not playing him as a punishment.

Looks like the price will drop, as the new season approaches. Get used to it.

Player exchange deal is unlikely. Higuain is the one who is holding up the Arsenal deal because he is unconvinced about a move to England, so forget him being used in the deal.

Real M remain the most likely destination. Expect about £35 million, typically, £5 million up front and the rest paid over 3 years (no whinging - this is how most deals are constructed)

I was stating the Mirror was unreliable, not Bertrand. He's very talented.

Papa G

14 Jul 2013 01:35:21
As we all know suarez leaving is inevitable. I've been told that our number 1 replacement for Suarez is Jackson Martinez of porto. Never watched him play, heard very few bits info on him. Apparently Porto have big release clause but lfc are confident they won't have to pay that much. Also Southampton, Fulham, west ham and Cardiff are interested in downing! There's been an enquiry in glen Johnson but not sure who from. People saying pepe is leaving but don't know anything on that but he's taken his kids out of the respective school so read into that what you will.

Dan

I don't believe it, I think Sturridge is the kiddy Rodgers wants to lead the line. Even Suarez was moved to the left and right to accommodate Sturridge after we bought him.

I don't see us bringing an expensive out and out front man in to make up for Suarez's departure and Martinez would be expensive for any club to buy maybe more expensive than what we can sell Suarez for, which is outrageous when considering Suarez has proved himself a 20+ goal man in the Premiership.

If you are right then it would be a great signing. Martinez is a fantastic talent and will be one of the biggest names around in the future - but I can't see him joining LFC whilst we can't offer CL football.

Saints have no interest in Downing.

No Suarez leaving is not inevitable. I believe there is more chance that he will stay. He is too expensive for Arsenal(+ we won't sell him to a rival) and Real will need to make a huge bid to get him, I just don't see it at least this year. Bayern is probably out of the game, they already have sights for Lewandowski for next year.

Martinez is a good player but Porto are a nightmare to deal with. It's been said his release is 40m euros and Porto will not accept a penny less. I am a Chelsea fan but have a soft spot for Liverpool as I have family there. Hope you guys get top money for the diving cannibal because he is ruining your club. Best of luck for next season.

Just a thing about Reina taking his children out of their schools, Is it not summer holidays?, so the kids won't even be there, no one will be there. So how did he take them out of a school that's closed?.

Suarez is more likely to stay according to the bookies.
Plus we don't have to sell.

I'm a Benfica fan and can tell you Jackson is a pain in the arse - but only because he plays for Porto! He is a fantastic player along side James and pretty much won them the season last year.

I will say one more thing, teams such as Porto and Benfica are in a relatively strong position when it comes to demanding high figures over the last few years, the way the teams are structured means they can survive when getting rid of their "Big" players (Hulk, Witsel, Falcao, Di Maria, David Luiz etc) as they usually have a few more of these coming up from the ranks. This does mean if they have put a release clause at 40mil then that is the minimum they will usually sell for - making it hard for other teams to approach an offer below this