Liverpool Rumours Archive June 17 2017

 

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17 Jun 2017 18:14:37
Echo reporting that we have had a major boost in our attempts to sing Mendy from Monaco. Personally don't believe it myself but he would be on the list for ones I would try and persuade (without tapping up). I believe city seemed in pole position to get the deal done, has that stalled at all or us the echo just feeding us false hope again that this might happen?

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17 Jun 2017 18:41:50
I reckon it's false hope as mendy is looking for outrageous wages, we're talking north of £180k a week.

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17 Jun 2017 19:23:51
Echo reads this page before writing an article, so that tells you what their word is worth.

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17 Jun 2017 20:40:27
When an echo article is posted with *headline* - transfer rumours they are rumours picked up from other outlets they are just reiterating what other papers are saying.

It's the other articles where the echo are actually reporting information they get themselves.

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17 Jun 2017 22:33:36
Mendy at 200k a week would be worth it.

Rather that than a new lb every season. Get the best one avavliable right now.

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18 Jun 2017 03:42:10
It's not an original Echo report, it's gossip they've regurgitated in their gossip column. That's how clickbait works, X club will stall their negotiations for Z player, Y club haven't made any formal approaches, so then the papers will publish: "Y Club handed MAJOR boost to sign Z player! "

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18 Jun 2017 06:17:32
Supermane-We can't pay £200k a week on a left back, that's just obscene.

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18 Jun 2017 07:38:14
180k . its not really outrageous in this day and age is it.

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18 Jun 2017 07:54:21
It's outrageous but if you want the top players, you have to pay the big money.

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18 Jun 2017 08:08:08
I really am concerned by fans saying things like this.

Mendy is a good left back overall, because offensively he is top class. His pace, power and final ball make him an asset in the final third.

However this is a guy who literally cannot defend. Monaco won the league by outscoring everyone. Mendy and Sidibe were the biggest problems for them defensively because as Carragher would say, they are failed wingers.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Mendy happily. But if people think we are getting the finished article who will solve everything defensively and justify £40m with £180k a week on top; well in my opinion they are sorely mistaken. If you care not for the finances of the club then yes, he is the best option we've looked at. He really isn't the best value though (in my opinion of course) .

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{Ed001's Note - not sure about the full backs being their biggest issue, every time I saw them they struggled to defend through the centre more than the flanks. In particular Fabinho would get caught out a lot for me. I think the full backs getting caught out was more a consequence of the way they played than a lack of defensive ability. They may well lack it, but whenever they were back and facing up, they always seemed to handle the threats well, when I watched them.}

18 Jun 2017 08:38:40
I do agree in some respected MK and I wasn't necessarily referring to LFC directly when I said top players command the big salaries, as it is with football these days.

When you factor in all the costs when buying a player, I would rarely see value in today's game mate.

Except maybe Delle Ali of course, where our club failed to see the value in a £5m transfer. But we must have thought Benteke at £34m was value.

It's Bonkers.

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18 Jun 2017 09:52:02
If we were willing to pay vvd £200k a week then mendy would be worth it . Good Attacking fullbacks are like gold dust right now in football. Get him along with a good defensive midfielder who can cover when fullbacks attack would be perfect in my opinion.

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18 Jun 2017 11:28:44
Do people here not think about the consequences of paying a new player north of £180k a week? And a left back at that! The likes if coutinho, mane, et al would be wanting at least the same and if not more - deservedly so. It sets a precedent for the wage structure of the whole squad. It's not a one off deal. The long term effect just doesn't justify it as a realistic deal.

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18 Jun 2017 13:48:47
Left back is arguably our weakest position so I don't mind the club splashing out to rectify it.
I don't mind the club spending big as long as it's wisely, if Mendy is going to have a similar impact to say Mane (we where desperate for a wide player, getting one worked wonders) then go for it.

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18 Jun 2017 20:03:01
Both MK and Ed01 are spot on as whether Monaco fullbacks can defend or not is debatable based on the way they play. Sidibe came from Lille where being defensively sound as a unit is paramount. Mendy came from OM where his athleticism and attacking prowess were his main assets but he was a liability defensively and could not defend against a chair. Now will Mendy work here? I don't know but 180k or 200k is way too much for a defender that is defensively dodgy.

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17 Jun 2017 15:56:35
Salah as good as done.

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17 Jun 2017 16:28:37
That's what ed002 said 👍.

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17 Jun 2017 16:36:33
Ssn are reporting that Roma expect an improved offer from us.

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17 Jun 2017 16:47:33
I find it fascinating that Steve Nichol has come out and said Salah wouldn't get into the starting line up. He put Coutinho on the left. As far as I remember, Coutinho is going to be played from a deeper role. I see an amazing front line in Salah and Mane on the flanks and Firmino or Sturridge up front and maybe Coutinho behind. I know Nicol is entitled to his opinion but I do think he's wrong here. This is just my thinking so don't be giving grief lol.

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17 Jun 2017 17:16:33
Where did ed002 say that Ron? Tiried a recent search, couldn't find anything mate.

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17 Jun 2017 17:37:10
NickyD *facepalm!

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17 Jun 2017 17:39:03
That's because he didn't say that.

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17 Jun 2017 18:32:19
Apparently we still want gelson Martin's aswell, I think we are going to try and win 7-5 every game.

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17 Jun 2017 19:30:04
Hell yeah. you score 4 we'll score one more. :-)

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17 Jun 2017 20:16:50
Sorry Nicky 😉.

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18 Jun 2017 03:43:15
Yeah I like Stevie Nicol, but every now and then he will talk some real bull***.

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18 Jun 2017 03:56:23
I think nicol has a point. If everyone were fully fit would he get in the first team every time? If it mean sacraficing coutinio by playing him in a deeper role? With three up front does coutinio have the physicality to play in the middle of a midfield three? I don't think week in week out he does. He was fantastic in the diamond 442. Salah will be a great addition and I expect him to play often, we need a little more depth to our squad and he will give us that.

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{Ed001's Note - how would that be sacrificing Couts? He plays better in that deeper role.}

18 Jun 2017 04:19:25
He plays well in deeper role as part of a midfield 4 but the proposal someone posted was salah as part of a forward 3 with coutinio dropping deeper. But that would mean as part of a 3 man midfield and I'm not sure Phil has the physicality to play there week in week out. He plays brilliant in a deep role but I don't know if I'd say better than he does in a forward role. A midfield 3 needs to be pretty hard.

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{Ed001's Note - physicality? He has been our best tackler by a mile when playing in the deeper role. I really do not know what you watch, obviously just look at his size and think that must make him weak. You have to be British and still obsessed with size over quality, which is why British football is crap. Couts is better there, if your only fear is he is not 'physical' enough, then I worry for you as it shows a real lack of understanding of modern day football. Is your name Allardyce? Perhaps Pulis? Thank god we didn't sign Kante hey, I bet he would have really struggled wouldn't he? Is this the 1970s?}

18 Jun 2017 06:07:19
Hahaha, bravo Ed001. I guess JS missed those games Couts played in midfield. Not only can he get about and tackle like a terrier, he is great at holding onto the ball in tight spaces and can then use it to much better effect with runners ahead of him. Too often when playing as a forward he has nobody in front of him and has wriggle past players while waiting for support or take a shot from distance. Salah or Mané in front of him is going to rip teams to shreds once they find their range.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, his best games have come when he has people making runs in front of him, playing further back helps with that. As for his physicality, he is very willing to get stuck in and he is strong, which he has to be to hold onto the ball when he makes his runs. You don't have to be built like Yaya to be physical.}

18 Jun 2017 08:00:55
I rarely see Couthino bullied off the balll.

Playing him in a deeper role gives him the opportunity to see what's ahead and dictate the game, he can also make runs from deep.

I think it be perfect for when teams sit deep.

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18 Jun 2017 08:03:03
Ron.

No worries matey, it wasn't a dig, I was hoping it was true as the Eds are the only ones to be taken seriously imo.
👍.

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18 Jun 2017 08:25:14
for me, the point about physicality is more a question of whether Coutinho can play that CM role as tirelessly and effectively as Gini and Lallana do over a full match. there is no doubt that Coutinho can do the things like tackle and track back etc, but I'm not convinced that he has the engine to really impact the game from the middle of the park in that #8 role. I do think it is the most natural progression in his game, but he ain't there yet.

If Coutinho does play deeper, we wouldn't be changing our formation to suit him would we? altho I think that we should if that was the case. say a position behind the main attackers would be perfect for him and then protection behind him. like when he was at the tip of the diamond in suarez time with us. that is perfect for him and allows him to be at his best in the part of the pitch where he is most effective.

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18 Jun 2017 10:29:12
We could play 433, mings in goal, he's been good, Milner and lb, unless we sign a better lb, RB clyne he gets some stick but I like him, cbs, matip and lovren or de virj, midfield Henderson in a cdm and lallana, with can sometimes coming in with Coutinho in left centre midfield, next to lallana, and salah or mane on left and other on right wing and firmino in cf. or we could play same defence with Coutinho and later llama in cm, and salah, firmino and mane in attacking midfield and sturidge or even solanke in strike.

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18 Jun 2017 12:25:21
I've thought for a while now, the reason why he runs hot and cold (as some say) is because he's not played in his best position and that's further back calling the shots, as was proved towards the end of the season. My only worries (if you can call it that) is who else plays with him in the middle, especially if Hendo can prove his fitness, so has to start for me! Thoughts on this Ed?

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{Ed001's Note - we have plenty of options there, the issue was always that Couts was needed further forward.}

18 Jun 2017 13:41:49
How many delicious through balls did couts play when he was deep? The guy is magic for spotting a run behind and weighting a perfect ball! I can't wait to see mane and slash getting those kind of opportunities more.

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18 Jun 2017 13:53:02
I appreciate that Ed, just my middle 3 keeps changing, even without any others coming in, as Lallana starts for me, so that's Couts, Lallana and Hendo, but what about Gini, who has played well and Can who wants to start games, not forgetting Grujic either or Lucas if he stays! At times I'd hate being a manager, but maybe he'll rotate more than he has done and use less youngsters in cup games! We certainly need a better squad depth and use the academy for covering injuries.

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18 Jun 2017 15:54:16
If Coutinho drops deeper into a midfield 3, who's going to be dropped?

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18 Jun 2017 16:39:29
I love coutinio. Let's get that straight. Our best player. He's our best attacking player and although he can lay cm he is a number 10. I would be dissapointed if he played deep every week. I wonder where our world class manager will play him?

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18 Jun 2017 16:50:26
I would prefer him to focus on attack as much as possible. Playing him in midfield every week forces him to think more defensively and I think that would be a shame.

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18 Jun 2017 20:12:08
Johnny, he is capable of being effective both in attack and defence and his best games have been playing there so I would not worry about that.

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17 Jun 2017 10:01:05
Hi eds,

I've just read that reports in Egypt suggest that Salah will have his medical on Sunday? Have you heard anything about that eds?

Cheers,

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{Ed001's Note - no sorry I have not heard anything about reports in Egypt.}

17 Jun 2017 14:11:55
Reports in Italy on Sky News saying Roma are expecting Liverpool to go back this weekend with an approved offer.

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17 Jun 2017 16:07:20
Sky sports also say we have already agreed terms with salah. eds please tell me Roma have at least at some point allowed us to talk to the player.

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{Ed002's Note - RFTP. Why is it such a struggle for Liverpool fans to not be able to search or read the posts? Are they so stupid that I really need to say the same thing over and over?}

18 Jun 2017 05:01:26
That's the beauty of transfer window, everything gets repeated over and over again, even if this annoys you.

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{Ed001's Note - that is not a beauty, it is stupid. Yes it is annoying. Even more annoying is coming out with comments like this.}

18 Jun 2017 05:38:15
No ed002 I am not stupid but am in the middle of nowhere on holiday and have limited internet access. i saw sky sports and thought I would ask the question. i will be much more selective next time, my apologies.

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{Ed001's Note - if your internet is limited, could you not have used it reading through and finding out, rather than wasting it on repeat questions?}

18 Jun 2017 05:48:48
Ed001 I have already apologised, and have said it won't happen again. the fact is I haven't seen anything here regarding us being given permission to talk to the player, or else I wouldn't of asked the question. but as per your comments I will try and be more thorough before posting.

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{Ed001's Note - when you have ten or twenty of these posts a day, they begin to grate on your nerves. When you get five, ten or even twenty times that amount, it does far more. We edit on site after site and have to put up with this on each of them, so you will have to excuse any overreaction from us. Especially people like Ed002, who do this for free.}

18 Jun 2017 06:04:28
Ed001 and ed002 I fully understand, I get annoyed when the missis asks me the same thing twice so being asked hundreds of times I would blow a gasket. end of the day all the work u guys and girls do on here is duly appreciated.

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{Ed001's Note - it makes me appreciate how hard it must be to be a teacher, as they must have to deal with it over and over and over during the course of a day.}

18 Jun 2017 08:17:55
So did we find out if we have permission or not? 😂.

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{Ed025's Note - not yet mate..

17 Jun 2017 06:49:46
Square Tomato, any news on the Gomez staying/ loan rumours?
Appreciated as always mate.

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17 Jun 2017 09:07:47
He's come out and said himself that he is staying as he has been assured he will feature this season.

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17 Jun 2017 10:52:38
nothing's changed as far as I know he's not going on loan and like I said before klopp wants him to push lovren and he's ahead of Klavan, Newcastle want him on loan as do Bournemouth but that would be a bad idea, Huddersfield would be the best option because of someone at the club already, all that being said I can't see him going anywhere I still expect clyne to leave though personally.

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17 Jun 2017 11:23:47
Square. Cheers buddy
Always appreciated.

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17 Jun 2017 11:45:20
Cheers ST. Hope you're right.

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17 Jun 2017 12:34:22
Evidently Gomez pulled out of the England U21 squad to preserve his fitness as this pre season is so important to him.

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17 Jun 2017 12:52:13
So st u wait until the news about gomez has already been released n then choose 2 tell us? 🤔🤔🤔.

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{Ed001's Note - he had told us this months ago, why should he repeat himself because most of you only read the crap in tabloids?}

17 Jun 2017 13:23:09
Good grief Hardy, keep up!

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17 Jun 2017 13:27:59
He said that long ago mate.

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17 Jun 2017 13:52:17
Thanks for the info ST. Hope he gets some game time next season.

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17 Jun 2017 13:58:58
And he only said because he was asked! ST is one of the more respectable honest posters on here and people like you just want to have a dig. Give the guy a break Hardy.

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17 Jun 2017 14:43:08
Thanks for the back up guys lol.

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17 Jun 2017 14:45:21
Must of missed that, my bad! Apologies.

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17 Jun 2017 15:00:50
Don't rest on your Laurels, Hardy 😉.

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17 Jun 2017 15:38:44
That's another fine mess, Hardy.

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17 Jun 2017 16:18:25
I'm often on here arguing that Clyne is a decent player for liverpool. That being said, I would welcome any improvement in the position. I think we need to be careful on who we sign before shipping Clyne out. Say what you like about him at least he has some premier league pedigree. I think there are other priorities.

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17 Jun 2017 19:51:48
Must have missed your last update so many thanks Square.

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