Liverpool Rumours Archive August 18 2020

18 Aug 2020 17:10:52
Lazio want Shaqiri apparently.

18 Aug 2020 18:21:10
Instead of David Silva? That's a wee bit of a drop off.

18 Aug 2020 18:28:40
Thought Silva had joined Sociedad.

18 Aug 2020 18:32:24
Hopefully that will happen. He's got to be worth 25m.
We need a reliable rotation option who is not injured for months at a time, someone we can develop into a world beater.

18 Aug 2020 18:51:19
Spaceman, we already have a 1st choice attack of Mane, Firmino and Salah. We also have a 2nd choice attack of Origi, Minamino and Chamberlain. Plus a 3rd choice attack of Jones, Brewster and Elliott.

I don't think we should be looking to waste money on replacing Shaqiri personally. 9 players competing for 3 positions is a lot even if Jones and Ox do also cover in midfield. Shaqiri barely played last season.

18 Aug 2020 19:30:27
Origi has proved himself too inconsistent, Ox is better in the midfield and Minamino hasn't proved anything yet, it would be hard to rely on them at this point if others are available.

18 Aug 2020 19:50:25
taa001 i agree re Origi and Ox. Ox has never proved that he is a good fit for the front 3. Minamino i trust will come good, and whilst Div is a legend, i feel his space in the squad could be improved upon.
Im not sure Elliot will have too much pressure put on him at this stage of his career.
Personally id like to see Div and Shaq sold and replaced with one excellent player.

18 Aug 2020 20:03:27
Klopp seemed to prefer Ox in the front 3 more and more as last season went on. When you look at his goals running in behind against West Ham and Bournemouth, then the goal cutting in off the left wing against Southampton, or the back post first time finish vs Chelsea etc. it is very easy to see why Klopp likes him higher up. He's a very good goal threat when he's pushed up onto the shoulder.

Ox scored 8 goals last season. Origi scored 6 too. Both with limited gametime. Brewster 11 in half a season. Jones scored 3 in less than 10 starts. Minamino and Elliott have barely had a chance yet either.

Why some people want to replace them with average players like Sarr or Traore is a bit confusing to me. They couldn't outscore Ox or Origi even as regulars.

To be honest attack is the last place we need to sign anyone unless their are significant sales. In this post I've not even considered Shaqiri, Wilson, Ojo or Woodburn could yet stay.

18 Aug 2020 20:41:38
Maybe Lazio will show an interest in Grujic again.

18 Aug 2020 20:54:34
Wilson, ojo and Woodburn need to move on for the sake of their careers, none of them will get a minute for us next season.

18 Aug 2020 22:06:14
Perhaps all spare funds generated through sales will be used on TA and a CB . Personally i'd like to see Adrian replaced due to his buffoonery vs AM. The young turkish keeper looks like he could develop into a world beater.

18 Aug 2020 23:28:56
I'm with spaceman on the attacking front. Shaq out and barely played so wouldn't really need replacing. If Origi was to go as well then I do think we could do with one better winger for backup/ rotation.

I wouldn't expect someone like Dembele from Barcelona to come for the amount of games/ minutes (someone else asked about him yesterday) . Sarr and Traore are both overrated and more expensive than they are worth, neither will be happening but really think a few of our fans seem to think they are rubbish and that's harsh.

We won't be able to get someone top top level for rotation/ backup. Maybe someone like Allain Saint Maximum from Newcastle if Mike Ashley wanted to cash out. Money wise as we are struggling (I know I will get slated for this) but we could do a lot worse than Ryan Fraser as an option from the bench and for rotation. Not great last season but still great ability, mentality I don't know though as he didn't or wouldn't play when Bournemouth needed his 2018/ 19 form to save them from relegation.

19 Aug 2020 02:32:32
Divock Origi isn't "too inconsistent" the mans goals per 90 are 19th out of 420 premier league player and he's our 5th choice in attack. If we can do better that is shocking. He also is distinctly unique in style from everyone else in the attacking repitoire. also happens to be the most ice cold poise killer on the planet in big games.

19 Aug 2020 06:50:47
Redscare, i'm with you mate. I am sure we could get a better 4th choice forward, but it'll cost £50m. Origi is under rated. If he chooses to leave then it's a different argument but i'd still look to hand Brewster and Jones more minutes.

19 Aug 2020 08:58:16
Harveys Man Bun-Im not saying that we are thin on the ground, only that there is likely a more suitable, cheap 'project' out there who could fit the tactics and offer a stronger rotation option that Div or Shaq. We need someone who can fill in for both Mane and Mo, especially considering the season is compacted and we will probably take the cups more seriously this season.
This is what edwards does so well, isn't it? locate talented and robust players who have slipped under the radar. Beyond that Div+ Shaq need to go somewhere they can play regularly due to age.

19 Aug 2020 09:40:09
Spaceman, if we could get a player like Rashica, Jota or Thuram then i'd agree. I'm not saying Origi is world class, but i don't think we realistically have the funds to make luxury signings this summer.

Plus the players we seem to be mainly linked with are Barnes, Cantwell, Brooks and Sarr.

Honestly i'm not sure any of them are better than Ox or Origi right now. I really think Minamino and Brewster will come good too.

19 Aug 2020 10:39:08
Harveys Man Bun Sarr is better than Origi and is a natural wide player where Origi plays. Origi should go where he will play more and and upfront where he is best suited to play. He has got legend status at Liverpool all ready but that should not keep him in the squad if he is not Good enough.

19 Aug 2020 11:12:36
Harveys Man Bun-based on your stats re Origi, surely he is with 25/ 30m, added to which Wilson and Grujic will be sold. If we can get Shaq out of the door then we have enough for one of those that you mentioned. I would love to see a young hungry talent come in and challenge Mo and Mane.

19 Aug 2020 14:32:13
I can't agree that Sarr is better than Origi. He's another Zaha. 1 or 2 good games a season. He is so erratic on the ball. Legs all over the shop and the ball rarely ever truly under control. I'd take Origi every day and twice on a day we're playing Everton!

21 Aug 2020 06:30:20
Minamino and Brewster both offer more going forward than origi and shaq who won't see their game change or improve to give us more. We were lucky to have our main 3 not missing out for periods where we required Origi or anyone to play a lot of big games. Look at the United game where we were dreadful and dropped our first points, or Watford disaster first loss, Everton bore draw. When we don't start with our front 3 we simply don't play well and just because we have been lucky to rarely be without them this year we can't be fooled into thinking Origi or shaqiri offered any sort of quality that fill in for periods of regular games that won't cost us. Whoever said origi had impressive goals to minute results last year are blind to reality. He got 1 from the start opening game of season, got 2 vs everton in a walk in park and a meaningless goal against someone else when we were a few goals up already. He only scored in I think 3 league fixtures, all results where we notched 4 or 5 against pitiful defences. What about every other game when he offered nothing for us? At times when we needed a player to fill in the boots of a front 3. Not score the 4th goal against Norwich and 3rd or 4th against Southampton or whatever team that was. We need a forward player to give us more quality when playing at a minimum the amount of minutes origi has and spent too often being poor.

{Ed001's Note - who started the thrashing we gave Everton?}

18 Aug 2020 15:42:21
Adam Lewis has joined Amiens on a Loan to Buy deal.

18 Aug 2020 16:19:05
Good luck to the lad.

18 Aug 2020 23:30:32
Ya best of luck to him. Do you know is it an obligation to buy or an option to buy?

19 Aug 2020 09:50:44
Option to buy.

19 Aug 2020 12:15:33
Cheers Southern Red, let's hope they take that up (will mean he's had a good season, good for him and we now look sorted for left back so better for all parties) .

18 Aug 2020 13:08:45
One for Ed2 if possible,

Naturally there have been links with Ismaila Sarr over the last couple of weeks, naturally, he as a player, would have much to consider prior to any move ( game time etc) . However, my question is purely, is it even financially achievable? I appreciate you not wanting to get involved with finance, so I am not looking for anything in depth on that front, but is the interest serious and what would LFC need to do in order to make that possible (in the event they are interested)

Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - It would depend on what he costs and what money Liverpool can raise through sales less perhaps 25%. There is certainly not money sat around doing nothing.}

18 Aug 2020 13:23:31
Fantastic. Thanks for the reply Ed. Absolute gent. Have a great afternoon.

18 Aug 2020 14:24:13
Ismaila Sarr makes little sence to me. Despite the CV issue hitting us badly financially we would have had real issues this season anyway with the African players leaving after Xmas to join the national teams. Explaining why we would be looking at players like Werner. With the African tournament now moved back till 2022 we have some breathing space, but why would be bring in another African winger? If we look at Chelsea, UTD, City the effects of the tournament on them is minimaml, which would have made this season v difficult for us if the tournament had gone ahead.

18 Aug 2020 15:38:56
AFCON is only a few weeks we would manage but I personally don't see the fuss over Sarr he was apparently good in France but he didn't do a lot last season except against us lol.

19 Aug 2020 05:31:25
Surely we should be looking for home grown players to boost our numbers If as the Eds say it's necessary to increase them.

18 Aug 2020 09:25:14
Would I be right In assuming both Ben white and Diego Carlos are now off the table for Liverpool then Ed’s considering the financial restrictions, I know we have some players that we could sell but raising 40-60 mil would massively lower our squad depth would it not?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have plenty of players who are not part of the squad depth who can be sold (Wilson, Grujic, Lewis, Karius, Larouci, Ojo, Miller ...) plus those who can raise funds if replaced internally (Shaqiri being the example).}

18 Aug 2020 11:00:00
If we had that sort of money from sales, I'd rather buy Havertz and a cheap CB like Mandi. Matip can cover and work on his fitness and we can bring in one of the young lads too.

18 Aug 2020 11:27:51
RH18. Bayer want 90 million for Havertz. Those players listed wouldn't generate anywhere near that.

18 Aug 2020 11:44:11
Cheers Ed’s you always manage to give perspective it’s still mind boggling to me how man united and Chelsea can spend so much money given our recent success and their dips In form (trophy wise) surely they can’t be complying with ffp.

{Ed002's Note - As I have explained, Liverpool's money had already been accounted for as they operate close to the edge and the expected revenues that were lost have hit the club hard with FSG suffering significantly as their market sector has been struggling - and could get worse. Manchester United gain far more revenue and have taken money earmarked for debt repayment and diverted it toward getting the club back on track. Chelsea have very, very significant income from transfers which is funding at least the majority of what they plan to spend.}

18 Aug 2020 12:36:46
ed002 apart from the Timo Werner transfer and for the player I think the fee was low because of his clause. There seem very little movement with players as the top players like Sancho and Havertz there clubs are not looking at lowering the asking price. Even if they go a year later with less time on there contract they would be be hoping this is all over and more clubs are in for these type of players so fees might recover even if they get the same as they would this summer that's still a bonus to have them type of players on your books for another season.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure who the other player is but there have been a large number of transfers already agreed, some for good sized sums of money (Ziyech, Wenerer, Sane ...) and some for a lot less - and others with player exchanges involved. In terms of Sancho and Havertz there is work going on the complete the Havertz deal and a whole bunch of effort is being made on a number of significant transfers, some of which are also financially significant. Some clubs have already made plans for next summer when they hope to be in a better position (Real Madrid is an example with three players they are already looking to have join then).

18 Aug 2020 13:30:45
ed002 with Ziyech, Wenerer, Sane, Ziyech was all ready done before the full extent of C.V. had come to happen and the other 2 was steals at there prices Wenerer would have been worth more had it not been for his clause and am sure city would not have let Sane leave for that price if he had more than 12 months on his contract. I just think a lot of the big players like Sancho and Havertz will end up staying another year because of CV because I think the gap between selling and buying clubs is going to be to much.

18 Aug 2020 13:33:19
Thanks for the response Ed’s and as frustrating as it is not have mass sums to spend I would rather the club be stable financially than spiral in to debt and end up in trouble.