Liverpool Rumours Archive July 18 2017

 

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18 Jul 2017 23:08:42
I understand Kevin Stewart is set to sign for Hull, not sure if on loan or permanent.

Could be part of Robertson deal?

Source is just an American golfer I met playing an online golf game who is a massive Hull fan! So definitely not ITK but an old fashioned rumour!

Anyone know anything about this?

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18 Jul 2017 23:44:12
Hahaha Zed, that's a first mate lol.

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18 Jul 2017 23:47:53
Was your source Donald Trump? If so, he is a terrible liar.

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19 Jul 2017 07:50:29
Surely tiger isn't a fan of the tigers?

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19 Jul 2017 08:02:33
Seems to be true. Paul Joyce said the same on twitter. Fee rising to 8 million pounds APPARENTLY. Seems like a good deal to me if it's true.

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19 Jul 2017 08:32:20
Good move for Stewart considering he will be first choice at Hull. However if the lad had wanted to stay, I would have kept him to provide cover for Hendo and Can if he was willing to be a squad player.

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19 Jul 2017 09:30:03
IB, I'm with Harry that if this goes through, Keita is coming to us.

With a suspected first choice midfield 3 of Hendo/ Navy Keith then Couts, we already have Can as backup, as well as Milner and Grujic. TAA can also play there as can others from the u23s.

It may also mean that the Ox is coming, but even without him we have plenty of cover.

If it has helped sweeten the Robertson deal, all the better as we have very little cover at LB!

I would rather give Grujic, for example, more chances as I believe he has much better potential than Kevin Stewart, who imo was very solid when he came in, but nothing special.

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19 Jul 2017 09:31:27
Good move for him, not good enough for a team wanting to challenge for cups and titles. At 23 you should be established, not making 10 apps a season.

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19 Jul 2017 10:47:58
Zeddicus, Stewart's a CDM while Keita plays further up the pitch. Signing keita was never going to hamper Stewart's role in the team, it is Can that was in his way.

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19 Jul 2017 11:21:45
IB, only if Klopp wants to cover off every possible midfield role, which is unlikely as his teams will play certain ways. If it was Rafa, I'd have no doubt that a CDM leaving would be replaced by a CDM arriving, as that's the way he played.

I'm looking at our midfield positions as a whole:

Playing 4-3-3, the front 3 are likely to be Salah and Mane with Firmino through the middle. Alternatives to the front 3 include Studge, Origi, Ings. Solanke. I'd be interested to see where the width comes from if/ when Mane and Salah are unavailable as we seem to be selling Markovic, and giving loan moves to Ojo and Kent?

The middle 3 will likely be a first choice of Hendo, Keita (or alternative that we haven't heard about yet? ) and Couts. Alternatives will therefore be Grujic, Can, Wiji, Lallana, Milner, TAA, possibly Ox?

If we are playing a 4-4-2 diamond as we did at the end of 2016-17, then I'd expect Hendo or Keita at the base, Mane and Salah providing width and Couts at the apex, with 2 out of our 5 striking options up front.

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18 Jul 2017 22:35:36
Hi Eds

Sorry to bother you with this how much do you reckon we have transfer funds wise after the Robertson (fingers crossed) transfer is announced? As I'm seeing a lot of links with crazy amounts of money and although it's summer transfer window n everyone's linked with everyone but I was just wondering.

Thanks in advance 👍🏼.

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{Ed002's Note - I would ignore everything to do with money as it confuses. It is not a case of spending £65.21M on Keita and £71.6M on van Dijk as have already been agreed as "done deals", it is a question of when payment is due to be paid.}

18 Jul 2017 23:30:49
Very precise figures ed002? 🤔🤔🤔.

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{Ed002's Note - Damn, sorry. £60M and £70M.}

18 Jul 2017 23:42:50
We sorry if I have misunderstood, have those fees been agreed, just not when to pay them?

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned it.}

18 Jul 2017 23:54:50
Would the transfer fee have to be fully paid in 3 years if the players contract was for 3 years?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

18 Jul 2017 23:57:00
Who put that cat there? And why are all these pidgeons going crazy? 😂.

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19 Jul 2017 00:13:38
Thats more like it! 😂😂😂.

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19 Jul 2017 06:23:02
We missed out on Kovacic for the same reason!

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19 Jul 2017 09:21:30
Ed, I may have misworded the question - I am not worried about the figures!
Was it tongue in cheek, or have sums been agreed for the players?

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19 Jul 2017 09:31:10
Harry, you should just come up with one new username that lists all of your previous ones. That way it keeps us all informed of your obsessions year on year 😉.

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19 Jul 2017 09:37:38
Tongue in cheek Fencey.

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19 Jul 2017 08:17:33
Wow Ed002! there goes my imagination.

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19 Jul 2017 08:59:22
Ed you diamond. What a blow to our rivals to see liverpool land two MASSIVE big money signings. Well done klopp. We have z really good manager guys. He knows this is liverpool chance to get back up there. A force in European football. Let knock those F*#*#g mancs of their perch.

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19 Jul 2017 11:44:23
Oh dear fencey.

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19 Jul 2017 14:01:18
So there working on the structure of the payments?

Wowza. Can't see that much being spent without Brazilian money coming in.

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19 Jul 2017 14:03:11
The majority of transfer fees between European clubs are paid over a two year period these days. From the buying club's standpoint, even if paid over two years, it's accounted for over the length of a players contract as a deferred cost. They may pay out £40m for example, but if the player is on a four year contract, the fee, salary, bonuses, singing fee etc is 'amortized' (spread) over those years for accounting reasons.

This is why net spend is useless.

That said, when players are sold, this is accounted for immediately, and any profit or loss on the player fee, as well as savings on the due salary bonuses etc are accounted for that year.

The money clubs save, can then be reinvested, including any increases on player salaries etc. The only impact player purchases have immediately, is on cash flow and the accounts for that trading year, and subsequent years for player costs spread over the lifetime of a contract.

Liverpool, for instance, could spend £250m on players this summer, but they'd also end up paying at least twice that in salaries/ bonuses etc in additional costs over the next 4-5 years. Hence the need to sell as well as buy. As a club, Liverpool can only afford that kind of outlay with success - which is why it's imperative that we secure a win from the CL playoff, and arrive consistently in the CL each season - it's the only way for the club to compete, despite strong commercial partnerships.

Sorry for the long post.

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18 Jul 2017 17:22:33
Eds, with Lucas leaving is it fair to say we must bring in cover in the CB and CM area? Do you see Gomez staying put now also?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will not add two players to replace Lucas. If Liverpool add a CB then Gomez's time is at an end.}

18 Jul 2017 18:47:22
Out of interest why Gomez when he has 10 years on Klavan and would seem to be a better long term investment? Is Klavan rated that much higher?

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18 Jul 2017 18:45:24
Ed002, we will buy a cb and Gomez will likely leave on a loan.

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18 Jul 2017 19:28:10
Still can't understand why Klopp brought Klavan in.

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18 Jul 2017 20:08:31
Klopp brought in Klavan because Sakho's time was up.

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18 Jul 2017 20:28:09
Because Klavan is very good professional and isn't going to complain about being third or even fourth choice centre back.

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18 Jul 2017 20:59:55
I hope that selling Luke, at least opens up for some serious bidding for Keita, or do we need to free up more space before going for him?

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18 Jul 2017 21:11:22
IF we fail to get Keita and Henderson continues to miss games, we might, might regret this sale!

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18 Jul 2017 21:18:22
Signing Keita is mission impossible at the moment. Do not know why some are still having hope of him joining us.

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18 Jul 2017 22:10:53
Max

Coz that's the only player Klopp wants and he has said that on a couple of occasions. The club are not looking elsewhere and there are no alternatives. The club will have to back the manager!

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18 Jul 2017 22:40:51
I don't think we have seem the best of klavan yet. For CB the first season can often be a bit wobbly, desperate to impress. We've done well with tall blonde vikings in the past!

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18 Jul 2017 22:43:14
for me, Gomez needs to play. he could go on loan to another club until he is in his early 20s, when he might be bashing the door down as a regular first team starter for us. isn't it better that he gets the minutes in and develop his experience?

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18 Jul 2017 23:24:19
I'd personally like 5 centre backs at the club. If 2 are injured then there are still 2 to play and one on the bench. With VVD and Matip first choice, Lovren would be a very good sub, and Gomez and Klavan can play cup games so others can rest.

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19 Jul 2017 00:01:57
Klavn is from Estonia .

I thought Vikings were Scandinavian?

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19 Jul 2017 03:14:11
hes ragnar klavan. what we need now is loki.

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19 Jul 2017 08:45:06
Klavan is awful and so is lovren. how can liverpool compare to the other top 5 with our centre backs. and left backs. mcity reinforced defence so has chelsea and manu. liverpool?

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19 Jul 2017 09:01:21
Oh I thought he was from Denmark or sumin. He has scandanavian blood I him. We'll he's a kossack then, pretty hard too

Sorry, my mistake.

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19 Jul 2017 10:05:18
That's it Deano46 just slag our players off. Would rather have Lovren then Smalling and Phil Jones.

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19 Jul 2017 11:22:16
Phil Jones without the injury problems would by now be Utd and England captain.
I would sign him in the morning as he is that good a player.

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{Ed025's Note - hes poor imo mate..

19 Jul 2017 12:26:52
Just saying how it is . i saw agger leave and get replaced by klavan and lovren . who scouted these to. i would sign mammana any day . and maybe ben davies from spurs for lb.

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18 Jul 2017 18:08:24
Confirmed Lucas has completed his transfer to Lazio.

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18 Jul 2017 21:41:02
Best of luck to Lucas a true professional on and off the pitch.

YNWA.

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18 Jul 2017 22:21:00
Will miss him, still don't think we have a better option off the bench to protect a lead.

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18 Jul 2017 22:42:29
Definitely a legend Lucas. Top man. Good luck and good bye. Sad day for LFC. Thanks Lucas.

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19 Jul 2017 00:05:47
Out with the old, in with the new.

I think Couts and Firminio will miss him, I think Lucas guided them in the early days.
They seemed quite close.

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19 Jul 2017 06:02:40
I think everyone will miss him, top man!

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19 Jul 2017 09:02:12
Spot on fencey.

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19 Jul 2017 10:42:42
Best of luck sir Lu.

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18 Jul 2017 16:31:33
Hi ed and everybody else seen a pic of Keita happy signing autographs of Leipzig fans hopefully he writing them a goodbye note lol only kidding just wondering if anything has changed in regards to Keita have we put in another bid yet I saw kaveh solehkol saying Leipzig have now decided to sell him due to him telling them he wants a move jus wondering if u have heard owt if u the eds do t report it don't no if to believe it thanks for hard work lads.

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{Ed025's Note - i have not seen anything about that yet greys mate..

18 Jul 2017 17:13:48
LFC should put a contract under his nose and pretend to be autograph hunters 😎.

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18 Jul 2017 18:06:03
NEYMAR to PSG could kick it all off.195m is a lot of money.

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18 Jul 2017 18:06:03
NEYMAR to PSG could kick it all off.195m is a lot of money.

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18 Jul 2017 20:04:09
Kk cheers ed025 jus wondering why ure thoughts are do u think if he (Keita) does tell them that he really wants to
Move to lfc do u think Leipzig will change there stance on the situation I would love to see naby at lfc him in the middle of the park would be brilliant AV seen videos of naby and Kante and AV got to say I think he is a better player than Kante although it's hard to beat a player like him I think he does just wondered what ure thoughts are cheers for ure reply.

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{Ed025's Note - im a massive kante fan greys but keita is not far behind him imo, by all accounts he has said he wants to go to liverpool but leipzig are playing hardball and will squeeze as much as they can from you mate..

18 Jul 2017 15:02:10
hey guys
i just read a report that a loan deal has been agreed for Ojo to fulham. does that mean our broken relationship with fulham has been repaired?
i think it will be good if this deal goes through not just will ojo get good playing time but it looks like a conscious effort of the club to rebuild their relationships and make amends as their are better clubs out there ojo could have gone to.

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{Ed002's Note - It was brokered by his "representative" who doesn't want him to leave Liverpool for good. I understand the player did not want a loan to Middlesbrough although Newcastle may yet be an option.}

18 Jul 2017 16:15:25
Newcastle is probably his best option although I'd worry about game time.

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18 Jul 2017 18:09:00
which means it's probably not his best option.

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18 Jul 2017 14:24:46
Eds ojo going to fulham on loan is will this go towards patching up are relationship with them sesignion next year? Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - patching the relationship yes. Not about Sessegnon, just trying to make amends.}

18 Jul 2017 19:17:59
Good to see that ed we need to start making a mense not just with them. I see you mentioned something I thought as well about paying over the odds for vvd and keita as a sort olive branch if you like think the club needs to do this and start acting properly! Last one ed u think if psg get neymar that we could spell the end for counts? Thanks.

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18 Jul 2017 22:20:19
Since Sessengon was first choice, I wonder if Klopp will have one eye on this for the future.

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19 Jul 2017 09:05:22
I think you are right Welsh boy. Could be ehy klopp hasn't put 40 mil on the table for a lb. Even though we're throwing 70 65 mil about. Eight mil Robertson. Does well for a couple of years then we swoop in for him in couple of years once we blow spurs away.

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18 Jul 2017 14:00:26
Fulham have had a loan bid for Ojo accepted.

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18 Jul 2017 14:20:49
Hopefully that's us repairing a relationship with Fulham.

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18 Jul 2017 14:20:59
They happy to deal with us again?

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18 Jul 2017 14:28:44
Thats a very smart move, and yes, repair some of the damage .

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18 Jul 2017 14:36:22
RS spotted at JL Airport 😜.

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18 Jul 2017 14:43:40
We should pull the plug at the last minute and report them for tapping our youngsters up 😄.

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18 Jul 2017 14:55:51
Pull the plug. Tapping. Very good Ron.

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18 Jul 2017 15:20:39
Acered, RS at JL airport, please tell me Raheem Sterling isn't taking flying lessons!

Baz.

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18 Jul 2017 15:23:34
😄😄 Baz.

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18 Jul 2017 19:43:48
Forgive my ignorance but who is RS?

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18 Jul 2017 20:33:06
Ryan Sessengnon (or Raheem Sterling! )

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18 Jul 2017 21:06:52
Thanks Zedicus. He must be 0nipping to Benidorm to watch Sticky Vicky. That'll educate him.

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18 Jul 2017 10:21:19
Morning all.

Eds is there anything in the reported interest for the PSG CB Kimpembe?

Must admit i've only ever seen him play once (vs Barcelona in the Champions League) but he looked like quite decent and seemed very good actually on the ball and with his passing which is obviously something we will be looking for with our playing style.

What are the EDs and others thoughts about him?
Like I said not seen him play besides the one game, and I don't rely on YouTube compilations to judge players (like a lot of people) xD
Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes there has been interest but it is really unlikely that anything can happen - and this is old news, predating his new deal. Mahamadou Dembele is another considered}

18 Jul 2017 10:39:05
Dembele has gone Salzburg I think, probably a good move for his career.

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18 Jul 2017 19:26:49
Thought it might have been old news, noticed we where interested last year in him too so we mustn't be that serious and media just recycling again ad usual xD

An Dembele is at RB Salzburg now. Give him a few years and he'll follow Keita's footsteps in his career probably. Great move for his career if he can live up to his potential.

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18 Jul 2017 07:28:53
hi eds any truth in the Maxi Romero link.

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{Ed025's Note - liverpool have been looking at him grino but as yet have not made an offer mate..

18 Jul 2017 11:16:48
Yes, but have we agreed terms with him yet? The offer can follow at some point 😉.

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18 Jul 2017 11:51:50
I think we'll face a serious WP issue.

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18 Jul 2017 11:55:19
Now I'm reading he had a CL injury. to get this kind of injury at 16 years of age. poor lad.

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18 Jul 2017 17:37:15
Mammana and Romero - that's two players I signed in FM that were linked with us over the summer.

Which journo's raided my save? Expect links to Ben Davies, Lincoln, Konrad Laimer and Andre Schurrle soon.

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18 Jul 2017 19:36:38
Lol -Something Red-

I guess since I haven't played FM for a few years they have moved onto new people xD

I signed Coutinho on FIFA13 and FM because he was called Phil and had crazy hair like me when I get out of bed. My dad always said laughing, "It’s you" every time we came across him in UT so we had to get him.

Then half a year later we signed him an wow what a signing!
Guess I need to find us some gems again haha

Anyway back on track, if we are going to buy a striker we only need a proper ready made 20+goals striker. We have enough young prospects all trying to break through and Solanke has already pushed some down.

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