Liverpool Rumours Archive July 18 2021

18 Jul 2021 09:18:03
Morning Eds

Just reading the rumours in the newspapers this morning and I see Man United have been offered the chance to sign Vinicius Jnr on load with option to buy,
If Real want Sarah would Vinicius Jnr be a good replacement with him still being young, wages will be high but surely better than Sarr who we continue to be linked with among others.

{Ed0666's Note - I would prefer Sarr over Vinicius. You have to ask you’re self if he was that good why would Madrid consider letting him leave.

18 Jul 2021 11:55:01
Neither vinicius nor sar would be salah replacements.
Id go for chiesa if we sell salah.

18 Jul 2021 11:56:32
In fairness neither one of them is capable of getting even half of the amount of goals that Salah does. I can’t believe people would actually countenance selling Salah and replacing him with players nowhere near his level.

18 Jul 2021 11:56:34
Thanks for the reply ed.

18 Jul 2021 11:57:48
Isn’t that like saying if Sarr was that good Madrid would want him? Vinicius has held a regular spot, created, assisted and scored goals at the highest level under the most intense pressure. Not sure not good enough is correct.

18 Jul 2021 12:30:46
you could also say that why is Sarr a Watford player and why isn’t he already at a top European club?

18 Jul 2021 12:40:37
Replaing Salah with Vinicius would be worse than replacing Suarez with Balotelli.

18 Jul 2021 13:21:33
The system, coaching and tactical acumen is what makes our greatness, not any single player.
Pipco was one of our better players before he left and look what he became and what we became once he left. If Salah leaves we will adapt and goals will come from elsewhere, we won't suddenly become a worse side, and salah would likely not be as great in another side.

18 Jul 2021 15:10:44
Vinicius is a great player but he has nothing to do with LFC.

18 Jul 2021 15:27:44
If he were affordable I would love him if either Salah or Mane left.

18 Jul 2021 15:59:30
Vinicius has scored 8 goals and 4 assists in 82 league games for Madrid. Hardly pulling up trees at Madrid. So no, he’s nowhere near good enough. Yeah, I get that he’s good on FIFA, but in the real world he’s not all that.

18 Jul 2021 17:30:21
Vicinius is 21 and playing for Real Madrid, when Sadio Mane was 21 he was playing for RB Salzburg and Salah was playing for Basel, but yeah let’s all write off Vicinius as being not good enough.

18 Jul 2021 18:50:53
We keeping Salah forever then? He’s got a few short years left at this level. So if we are ever to cash in it’s got to be this summer or next.

{Ed0666's Note - so do it next year when we’ve had more time to scout a replacement

18 Jul 2021 18:55:06
Both of Salah and Mane stood out in their respective teams. Vinicius only stands out by how poor he looks in a team that dominates most games. I’m happy to write off a player who doesn’t play for us and in all likelihood never will do. Madrid overpaid as they bought into the hype about him being the “next Neymar”, but have realised he’s more likely to be the next Denilson, now they’re trying to get shot of him as he’s never going to fulfil the hype. He’ll be back in Brazil by the time he’s 25.

18 Jul 2021 19:30:58
I'd have to agree with VVVV on Vinicius. I've seen him play for Madrid and watched him also play for Brazil at the Copa America. He added absolutely nothing each time he came on for Brazil. He's not exactly uprooting trees for Madrid either. His all round stats look average at best. Reminds me of many other similar Brazilians who leave home too soon (Gabriel Barbosa, Ganso, Alexandre Pato, Jo, the Silva twins, etc., ) after all the hype and the pomp and circumstance and then get brought back down to Earth after wandering around aimlessly in the European leagues.

Yes, there's football talent undoubtedly there, but it's nowhere commensurate to the finances and attention being paid.

18 Jul 2021 19:42:48
Mane did not stand out at 21. No-one on this forum would have had a scooby doo who he was then.

Salah stood out a Basel yes, got his move to Chelsea and flopped miserably.

It’s incredibly remiss to write him off just yet.

18 Jul 2021 20:09:50
Shaq, you are underestimating VVVV, he knows everything about every player including what they do in their private life.

18 Jul 2021 23:35:48
Seems to me the discussion is about three different things.

1. Most people on here think Salah if the ‘finished’ article. That’s possibly true and if it is you could argue that his resale value (to talk of him like a thing rather than a human) is only going to fall which could lead to the thought that we should sell and make the most we can for a replacement.

2. Having read the rags a lot of people are a bit nervous about United being offered Vinicius. The conversation then lead to a comparison of a young player with undoubted potential not being a fit replacement for a fully matured player who, since he joined us (note the phrase ‘since he joined us’) has been one of the best attackers in the world game. Talk of Vinicius being a straight ‘like for like’ replacement is wide of the mark and. Retain, y unfair on the lad - certainly not deserving of a character assassination.

3. Ringo Starr was a technically average drummer and had a nasal, flat singing voice. He was however the drummer in the greatest band that ever graced a stage - no contest, no argument, end of story. For truly great team the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and there is more to being part of a team than being the best in your position in the world. I suggest that is why Klopp rates Matip so highly and to be fair the club do seem to be getting it right far more often than not.

There is nothing to say the club will sell Salah or want to buy Vinicius but if they wanted to do either or both I think they deserve our support in what they do.

19 Jul 2021 09:13:58
But a sprinkle of quality helps to freeze the wheels WDW.