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20 Aug 2015 22:09:11
Lucas likely to go to Besiktas ed?? Loan only I see though?
{Ed002's Note - The clubs are discussing a deal, but there needs to be some give and take.}
21 Aug 2015 07:51:17
Lucas was never a big favour of mine but I hope he proves rodgers was wrong letting him go even on loan.
20 Aug 2015 17:53:23
Has Liverpool agreed a deal for Mario to go to Lazio on loan eds?
{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate sorry, last I heard nothing was agreed, but Liverpool were trying to get a deal done with them. His preference is a return to Italy, so I would think it will be done in time anyway.}
21 Aug 2015 07:49:47
It's still being mentioned on sky
21 Aug 2015 08:20:48
Hope this is true the bloke is a duck egg
20 Aug 2015 14:13:03
Lucas Leiva on his way to Besiktas on loan. wtf?
Even if we have a replacement lined up this is stupid beyond words !!
20 Aug 2015 15:42:23
The fact we can't sell him says it all for me.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have too many players to register for the league. They are desparate for money coming in but have made a real mistake in over-pricing outgoung players - meaning the offers they get are for loans. Those players who have been Brendaned will either look for a pay off (Jones) or pick and chose where they go next. To date, financially this summer is proving a disaster for Liverpool again.}
20 Aug 2015 16:04:27
Thanks for that Ed, not getting into the money but is the over pricing a Rodgers thing or higher powers? ie - another part of the club that'll be overhauled?
{Ed002's Note - The manager will not set the fee.}
20 Aug 2015 16:22:52
Ah jaysis Ed02. you mean we all can't blame Rodgers for the price of the players he doesn't want?? Drop the pitch forks for this one boys and girls. but don't worry there'll be another opportunity soon!!
20 Aug 2015 16:23:02
Sounds a right mess ed.
Because of our hard ball stance does it look like we will be stuck with Balotelli and Borini??
{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool will have to loan players out if they cannot sell, but the club will lose all negotiation options without doing something. People are not grasping the issue that the club has too many players to register - and a further FFP issue looming. If sales don't happen now Liverpool will need to be selling in January. Naybe Sturridge will have proved his fitness by then and can be moved on? Maybe there will be a decent offer for Coutinho? We'll see.}
20 Aug 2015 17:37:50
Even Rodgers isn't stupid enough to want to sell Sturridge
20 Aug 2015 17:43:44
As spurs have been shafting us in transfers for the last few years I expect them to come in with an offer for lallana just before deadline day knowing our situation. 12 million roughly
20 Aug 2015 18:04:25
Spurs shafting us? I'd have lloris maybe vertonghen even though he's quite dodgy but better than skrtel, and Kane who was youth not even a transfer we got 'shafted' by. In sure erikson and a few others would get in our squad but it's hardly a lot
20 Aug 2015 18:15:28
I really do not understand our failures in the transfer Market. Its like watching a 13 year old play Football Manager. "I need a striker, I'll offer less than the asking price", "b@stards they said no and i'm running out of time, I know use the editor, apply sugar daddy and offer £50m". "this strikers naff, i'll sell him", "why will people only offer £2m", "I'll set him to available to sell and loan", "oh now he's p'ed and is causing trouble,I can't understand what i've done wrong". Its insanity. Started with Joe Allen and we have returned to the well too many times since, you'd have thought the learning process would have kicked in by now.
Either the transfer committee needs to go for choosing players the manager doesn't want or the Manager for agreeing to work with a committee and then not using the players. Either way if I lost my company this kind of money i'd have been signing on years ago.
20 Aug 2015 18:32:12
This sorry state of affairs raises a couple of questions, I'd be interested to see the Eds opinion:
1. BR brought all the players we cannot move on this summer. The club is taking a massive financial hit. Our poor results last season are one thing, but surely putting a massive financial pressure on the club as a result of his buying and alienating players is more of an issue for the club than the poor league position ? which brings me to the second point:
2. Do the Eds really think that FSG know what they are doing. Yes they have invested in the club heavily, but the misplaced faith in the manager to the point where there is a massive financial burden on the club makes me wonder whether they know what they are doing.
cheers
{Ed001's Note - this is something that would take a lot to cover, someone else was asking about the FSG thing and I think it does need either an article or podcast to cover it properly. Or both. But no, I am not fully convinced FSG have a clue, nor that they are getting the best advice.}
20 Aug 2015 18:52:43
Is the whole situation repairable Ed??
{Ed001's Note - I don't think this one is, not under Rodgers.}
20 Aug 2015 20:32:16
FSG comes from a baseball background where managers last a very, very long time in general. They're also allowed to grow on the job - and so long as they show improvement year by year, they're given a long rope.
Perhaps, with BR, FSG is playing the long game with the hopes that he develops into a world class manager. Or perhaps they've identified where improvement is needed over smaller given time-sets. If that's the case, we as fans perhaps need to make less generalizing remarks about how poorly BR is doing and instead concentrate on those elements he seems to be doing well.
It's rumoured that BR did in face have a say in his back room changes. If that's indeed correct, I see this as a positive. There's no doubt that were better organized defensively, we just lack two centre backs of higher quality being chosen. An all-out attacker was identified as a massive need and it seems perhaps Benteke was BR's choice. If so, again a positive.
If - big if - my humble theorizing is correct, then I would suggest that this may well be the last window in which he's allowed to choose transfer targets and, as long as his coaching and the style of play are solid, he hay have a DoF introduced above him. It would make sense if FSG are committed to developing a manager for the long haul.
Anyhow, this is all theorizing based on what I know of the Red Sox in baseball and how they've developed. Perhaps useful insight for people here, perhaps a waste of bandwidth. ;)
20 Aug 2015 19:17:04
Out of curiosity, Ed002, are there generally any provisions in a player's contract in the event their club doesn't register them to play?
{Ed002's Note - There will be clauses that could be invoked to allow a player to find another club whilst the owning club hold the registration. No club would look for this to be invoked as it would be a financial disasaster as the owning club would be still be responsible for wages, but no loan fee would be forthcoming. I am only aware of such a thing happening once or twice. There will be other provisions which could see a contract cancelled - but that would be fraught with legal issues. That of course has happened.}
20 Aug 2015 23:25:33
FSG have sacked lots of Red Sox coaches who have failed! That's why I just don't get this idea of sticking with someone so obviously destroying the club. I think they're being advised by Rodgers' best mate
20 Aug 2015 23:46:50
That's it Ed002 Stoke the fire take the heat of the "special one"
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about - again, this has nothing to do with Chelsea. If you are not interested in what I have to say, don't read it and find yourself somewhere better to embarrass yourself.}
21 Aug 2015 00:19:48
Thanks, Ed002- appreciate the response.
21 Aug 2015 06:58:14
Some dramatists here, destroyed the club? Rodgers may have made mistakes but I refuse to blame him for everything. Stupid transfers last year for example, the board should take the majority of the criticism for that. I would love Klopp, but some fans would blame Rodgers for not having enough Kit Kat chunkies on match day.
{Ed001's Note - don't mention the Kit Kat chunkies! That is why Shelvey left.....}
21 Aug 2015 08:22:03
We are in no worse state than chelsea for loaning people out.
{Ed001's Note - if you believe that then you are absolutely clueless. How many first teamers are they scratching around desperately trying to loan out?}
21 Aug 2015 09:53:08
Chelsea have the best system for loaning players out in the country, by a distance. I hate it but other clubs should be looking at the way they arrange their loans and keep track of them and replicating it where possible. I'm envious.
21 Aug 2015 13:12:21
Where does the Harley riding div Ayres fit into all this shambles. The sooner he's out the door the better.
23 Aug 2015 15:49:37
Agree with Redrosie - Chelsea's system of loans, parent clubs, etc etc is very effective. They sell on first teamers, often for a good price (David Luiz anybody?), and give youth players a solid, well thought out path into the first team (if they prove to be good enough). This is obviously subject to change based on numerous factors including players personalities and personal ambitions (De Bruyne) and on the sheer quality of the first team. Any comparisons between us and Chelsea are non-existent - they are simply miles ahead. Also not sure why Chelsea are been brought up in this discussion as pretty much all our issues are self inflicted. FSG worry me and still seem to make large mistakes - these mistakes will catch up to the club - the bigger question is are FSG a long term solution? I am not so sure.
24 Aug 2015 16:09:51
Bringing up Chelsea every time we discuss footie here while it has nothing to do with them, is just stupid and rank delusional. Concentrate on your own club! It's not their fault that they are better than us in that and many other areas. If you're mad, fix your internal issues instead of blowing natural gas all over this forum about Chelsea this and Chelsea that.
20 Aug 2015 14:02:19
Why on earth are we loaning out Lucas? This is madness!
20 Aug 2015 17:08:23
I freely admit that unlike BR and other experts who devote their working lives to studying football, I basically know bugger all.
I didn't even play the game at amateur level, and my insight is very limited.
So I accept that BR probably has a master plan that I simply don't get, in picking players and choosing tactics.
However, one thing I can see that even a master tactician can't dispute is results and points won- and the fact is that we lose fewer games and get more points when lucas starts.
I suspect he is one of those players whose contribution goes largely unnoticed because it is usually quite brief and unspectacular.
He wins the ball back or intercepts, but where most players would have taken a touch or two and then picked out a predictable pass, Lucas doesn't pause- he seems to already know what he's going to do with the ball before he gets it. So he is usually able to quickly knock it a few yards forwards, and get the pressure off our defence, and put the opponents under a bit of pressure.
You can call it a dm or a dlp or whatever, but what he does very well is give the team more breathing space to play our game, and we don't have any other players who can do that as well as lucas.
I can only guess that br thinks we take the pressure off the defence by playing it around at the back, but we don't seem to have the players who can do that very well- if any team can.
Also it means forward moves and build up is slower and more predictable, with none of the quick turnovers in midfield that led to so many goals two seasons ago.
We seem to have lost the art of breaking quickly, and I suspect Lucas is a player who greatly helps a team to turn defence very quickly into attack, with a short but well chosen forward pass.
I think the team will miss him far more br thinks they will- and that our club will again pay the price for br's poor judgement when it comes to defensive-style players.
This decision will come back to bite him big time, I think.
20 Aug 2015 23:47:04
Anonymush for someone who claims to know nothing about the game, you have shown more knowledge about Lucas and how he helps us get better than many of BR's apologists on here.
20 Aug 2015 00:05:34
{Ed033's Note - Football Rumours Podcast 2 now posted with Ed001 and Benny Baller talking about the Liverpool vs Bournmouth game. They also reveal Harry Scouser's real identity.
20 Aug 2015 03:49:37
When you say about Firmino being lack luster, I remember the commentator saying that Rodgers was giving Firmino a right talking too, apparently due to his lack of defensive work rate.
20 Aug 2015 04:28:43
Nothing to be too concerned about. Firmino strikes me as an enthusiastic guy with good attitude, so I think they'll rectify that fast. We're not dealing with a Balotelli here.
20 Aug 2015 10:24:43
Eds i think you need to get Harry in on the next podcast. After such accusations surely you have to give the guy a chance to explain himself and tell all of us the truth!
{Ed001's Note - I just revealed the truth!}
20 Aug 2015 13:43:15
your accent is going edd ;)
{Ed001's Note - I know mate =o(
20 Aug 2015 14:14:46
Hi Ed
Did we really need Firmino, same as llalana last year, surely our money would have been best spent on a securing Kovacic or another holding midfeilder. Or just keep Lucas and the money and use Teixeira.
Some of our transfers don't make sense - Louvren in Sahko out wow!!!!!
{Ed001's Note - Firmino is a class above what we have, unlike Lallana, plus he has the ability to play in positions we do not really have good options for. He could be devastating playing off Benteke, all our other attacking midfield options want to play deeper, which is why Benteke has been so isolated.}
20 Aug 2015 14:21:45
Another great podcast guys, really looking forward for more to come. Got a subscriber here :)
20 Aug 2015 16:24:10
Yeah have to agree. am really enjoying the podcasts! Excellent stuff