Liverpool Rumours Archive July 21 2017

 

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21 Jul 2017 20:33:08
Both naby and vvd have been told to train alone today are we about to hit the mother load? And as for lil Phil what the hell where Barcelona thinking low balling like that?

have they been taking the how not to do transfers course what Liverpool run? Does anyone else think that Barcelona knew we didn't have the funds to get naby and vvd and flung a low ball offer in to see if we would bite?

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21 Jul 2017 21:42:38
I'd love to think we are going to sign the big two. But coutinio talk (and massive tooth ache) has got me down. Earlier I said liverpool under klopp is not a selling club. I really really hope that is true. Let's be brutally honest though, in last 5/ 10 years we have made a habit of selling out best assets. Torres, alonso and mascherano. Sterling agger and suarez. For w/ e reason they were all the best we had in their positions. I will be GUTTED if we sell coutinio but I'd have to be an idiot to be surprised.

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21 Jul 2017 21:50:39
Hi Ed002. So basically what you're saying is Southampton have a price which is in the region of 70 milion or more. He wants us we want him cough up and don't take the piss with them and they will play ball of sorts? Have I read that right?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware I have even commented on this thread. I am not aware of saying anything like that.}

21 Jul 2017 22:17:20
I think we will sign both and retain Coutinho for one more season, at least. He won't go, especially after signing that new deal; no clause.

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21 Jul 2017 22:34:45
GiantKey would love you to be right but generally once Barcelona come calling it's curtains.

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21 Jul 2017 23:05:21
Giantkey signing new contracts doesn't mean anything anymore, Virgil not long ago signed a huge 6 year deal iirc? Contracts are worthless nowadays (RBL seem to be the only club who think contracts are worth something which they should be)

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21 Jul 2017 23:29:01
Suarez went for less than Barcelona just bid (granted different circumstances but still) so we can't say it's a low bid. I would think Phillipe is worth 85 million pounds and we would accept a bid that high if it was offered. Still praying Phil stays through the year aND we get our targets. we are as close as we have been since suarez/ Gerrard and there is no doubt in my mind our squad is better than theirs.

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22 Jul 2017 00:21:58
I hope we can keep him. I hope he stays for good. If he gives us this season and we pull off something special who knows. I have to say I've always been a bit baffled by kieta becoming our top priority when we could do with a natural striker and cb. The reason is because Phil is off. I hope I'm wrong.

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22 Jul 2017 01:01:05
In my opinion players are often incentified/ bunged a few quid to agree new contracts to enhance there value. Im sure if Emre agrees a new contract he will be sold next year. Contracts mean sqwat. Coutz gone next year.

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22 Jul 2017 08:24:58
We will get 1 more season. Take our time over the deal let his price rise with a good showing in the CL and WC and give us time to scout the right replacement.

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22 Jul 2017 12:13:04
Ed02 said that some months ago, Barcelona were told by LFC to cough up 100m euros and then they can start talking regarding Phil. If we were not willing to sell at any price, that is the dumbest negotiation tactic I've ever heard of and why we would do that, I have no idea. Barcelona were just testing the waters and will surely be back with a fee approaching that 100m euros and then, let the games begin.

Regardless of that tho, I still feel that Couts leaving LFC should be a non starter and we should do all we can to keep him cos we cannot say on one hand, we wanna compete for PL and CL yet we sell our best player. That is the wrongest message to send to our fans. Couts is staying at all costs, should be the mantra going forward.

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22 Jul 2017 12:54:41
If Phil wants to go then good luck to him. He has been brilliant for us when it looked like we would struggle without Gerrard. He never moans, never gets big headed about things. If he feels this is what he wants to take his career on then who are we to give him a hard time.

Let's not forget though, it's all hearsay so far. "This player said this, this player said that" he could yet stay at Liverpool for another five years. He is always going to be good enough to play for barca. I hope jurgen helps him see how important he is in this project.

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22 Jul 2017 13:13:22
We don't need to buy another striker. I think Dan the man will step up this season with a full pre season under his belt (fingers crossed) and why would Klopp want to sign a contract extension if he new the club were the type to sell on our best players. he has said himself that none if our best players will be sold anymore and that the club will be looking to ADD quality and not sell it. were moving forward now thanks be to god. YNWA.

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22 Jul 2017 14:01:23
B Scouse, it was PSG not Barca, and this was before we seen how inflated this market has been. LFC will no doubtably raise the price A LOT more now.

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22 Jul 2017 14:16:56
United fan here coming in peace lol, with regards to coutinho I genuinely believe if you can get a good fee for him 80 million ish you would have a better side if it was reinvested wisely don't get me wrong he is a top top player but he doesn't seem to drag you to results the way suarez used to, you have firmino salah mane and lallana as well as sturridge origi solanke. You may all disagree with me i mean im sure you watch them a lot more than i do just my honest opinion.

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22 Jul 2017 14:28:33
Imo I think couts will be here thus season. world cup at end of season which he will be a major player at.
1. Off will get more if he stars in it. 2. If he wants to be the star player he is better staying at club where he is the main man. exactly why neymar wants out at Barca. Just my opinion.

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22 Jul 2017 15:30:22
Barca about to get €222 mil for Neymar. if we don't hold Barcelona randsom the way other leagues do the prem clubs I'll be very disappointed. love Coutinho, but he's not exactly Suarez (I know different t position) but Suarez was more than a game winner he's a league winner, coutinho is not. if we can get close to £100 mil if take it.

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22 Jul 2017 16:11:22
I think redphil wrote that before today's game to be fair, in that roll he looks electric, if keita played along side just wow! Haha, , let's just keep Phil.

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22 Jul 2017 16:21:01
Where have you read that Keita is training alone too?

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22 Jul 2017 19:15:43
We don't need anything more than a top CB now IMO - Keita is a bonus but not at the expense of losing Coutinho or even Can IMO.

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22 Jul 2017 22:25:44
If any of the EDDS r around,
Any news on the reports doing the rounds that KEITA fee agreed 74.5M.

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{Ed007's Note - They're all seemingly coming from RedAllOverButNotSore's mate, ask him.}

22 Jul 2017 22:13:01
Everyone is offended that Barcelona low balled us on Coutinho, but have no problem when we do it to other teams.

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23 Jul 2017 00:02:21
We had a done deal for Navy Keith a few weeks ago.

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23 Jul 2017 08:10:05
DanH, it does not matter how much we get for him. If we want to compete in the PL and CL, we have to keep our best players. Those are the facts. I don't care how much we get for him cos we will never be able to get the type of influence he has over the team creatively by any replacement in the short term. We already tried that with the Suarez and Torres money for the disastrous results we know of. Hence, that should never happen again.

Couts will leave us soon enough but it should be on our terms and if he wants to leave. He has never said so publicly even tho of course, he is open to the move. We should keep him as long as we can and when we sell, we should take our time in knowing how to get his replacement (s) and the best way reinvest the large fee we will get for him.

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23 Jul 2017 10:00:43
And various Fleet Street rags have the same story. I'll believe it when it happens until then, can't be arsed reading anymore about it - done to death (to quote the Eds)

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21 Jul 2017 19:14:30
Eds, surely if we put a bid in now for VVD it will just start the whole tapping up thing again?

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{Ed002's Note - He is damaged goods because of Liverpool and as I have explained on the Southampton page his position is untenable. Southampton are aware of interest from elsewhere and Liverpool's position has been made clear. If they were to go back, withdraw ther statement and make an offer it would not be a complete surprise - but if they were to look to exploit the situation with a low bid I can see the price to Liverpool rising considerably and Southampton would look perhaps to the FA to address an issue they have so far tried to avoid.}

21 Jul 2017 21:08:11
Would it not be in the interest of both parties then Ed02 for Liverpool (As we caused this mess) to do the right thing and ask what Southampton want and just pay it without any low balling or more pi** taking?

Do you think based on Macca's post Liverpool will move forward and pay a substantial fee which is our own doing to make the transfer happen?

Thanks in advance

Jon.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what Macca has written. I have explain what would need to be done.}

22 Jul 2017 09:09:42
What are we avoiding Eds I thought Liverpool was found clear of tapping up?

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{Ed002's Note - No, there has been no investigation as of this time. The complaint sits in abeyance.}

22 Jul 2017 12:15:13
I propose we just pay what Saints want and help rehabilitate the mess we have caused by rendering VVD as "damaged goods". We caused this so we should fix this cos the boy does not wanna play for anyone else this season. We kind of owe it to him, IMO.

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22 Jul 2017 17:41:13
EDDS, didn't F. A. look at the complaint from soton, but said there wasn't enough evidence to charge LFC, so if that's the case they should be able to bid for him like any other team.

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{Ed002's Note - There was no complaint by Southampton to The FA so (a) it is nothing to do with them, and (b) any statement from them seems irrelevant - and I am certainly not aware of them issuing a statement.

Liverpool formerly withdrew their interest in the player in a humiliating public apology. If they wish to withdraw that statement then they can of course.

I really struggle to see why I have to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again.}

23 Jul 2017 14:06:19
Pay the price. Get the player. He is happy we are happy. Then let's hammer Southampton twice this season. Hopefully with Milner scoring a screamer in top corner past that arrogant keeper of theirs.

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21 Jul 2017 17:46:18
Eds, do you think Barcelona would have made the bid without first consulted with Coutinho and/ or his agent?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained before that he club are aware of what Coutinho told three international team mates last season and are also aware that PSG, Barcelona and Bayern Munich have continued to have Coutinho watched. He is also aware of interest from Barcelona and one of the three he has spoken with is a Barcelona player. At the end of October his representative visited Barcelona to make clear that the player is open to a move there during 2017 and this re-enforces the recent comment from an international colleague that Coutinho has got Neymar to speak to Barcelona about him as well. Liverpool will work to avoid selling.}

21 Jul 2017 21:13:28
Hi Ed002, do you believe that Liverpool have the means to buy both Keita and VVD without selling Coutinho? Or will that be a stretch too far financially?

(avoiding any me too of figures of course)

Cheers in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - It is to do with a separate matter - move on from the money.}

23 Jul 2017 14:08:39
We have spent about 50 so far, kieta and vvd will cost around 130/ 150. Klopp was told he had 200 mil to play with so I guess we are fine without selling phil.

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21 Jul 2017 19:36:37
Hi got back from LA recently, from where I posted a little bit of info I'd received from an 'agent'. not THE agent, about VVD situation. What's happening now is exactly what was going to happen. He wants to move now, and it may not be LFC, although that is his preference. The Cue slagging off.

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21 Jul 2017 20:41:37
If he is training alone, they will have to review the situation and see if they think once the window closes he is worth keeping and will play. No matter how well of you are, if he won't, then you'd rather 60 million in the bank than an disruptive player. Genuinely believe Liverpool may go and offer 30 million now though - wouldn't put it past us.

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21 Jul 2017 22:47:29
It's obvious what is happening, doesn't take a genius pal.

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21 Jul 2017 18:10:09
i know right at the start we had lots of youngsters officially sign, which i am assuming because they had pre-contracts organised!

Are there any players we are looking at to go into the U18's and U23's at the moment?

i appreciate this would be harder to source!

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21 Jul 2017 18:25:09
Well we have a ban in England atm. Not sure on forgien players.

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21 Jul 2017 19:19:02
Only for junior players though.

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21 Jul 2017 20:23:45
What age group would that be Cobra? I had wondered if it was all development squads up to 21s or 16?

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21 Jul 2017 17:29:08
VVD has apparently put in a transfer request.

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21 Jul 2017 18:23:42
Looks more like gone on strike by what the manager said, refused to play as wants to leave so is training by himself. I really hope after all this damage we caused we just stump up for the player we want and tapped up now. Then move on an try repair the damage as soon as possible.

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21 Jul 2017 18:29:58
His manager has confirmed that the player has been asked to train alone because he wants to leave and doesn't want to take part in the teams preseason.
But Southampton still maintains that he is not for sale.

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21 Jul 2017 19:00:16
So unprofessional, why would we want someone with that sort of attitude at LFC, how would we feel if coutinho did this to force a move to Barcelona?

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21 Jul 2017 18:57:17
While we have behaved badly yet again, one of the eds have said that VVD was told his club would allow him to leave this summer after the way they treated his old CB partner last transfer window, I could of misunderstood however.

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21 Jul 2017 20:34:20
Anyone remember Mascherano leaving for Barca?

It happens.

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21 Jul 2017 22:26:12
To the person commenting on why would we want such a player in our squad. Mané actually pulled the same kind of stunt 6 months before he joined us when there was interest from United. Unfortunately this is just the way it is sometimes and Van Dijk has certainly made his feelings clear regarding moving to LFC.

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21 Jul 2017 22:27:31
The line that appears in the papers may not reflect reality. Organisations have more power to put their 'truth' into the public domain than individuals do.
I want to make it clear that I'm NOT casting any specific aspertions on what Southampton have said, just making a general point that you can't always take these things on face value. It's called PR.

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22 Jul 2017 08:03:28
Well said AndyM we don't know the full picture and Eds have posted on here about previous player treatment, bad atmosphere over it etc. Journos have an interest in keeping clubs happy because they get more stories from them and there are go to papers for them. Is VVD a big enough player that his side gets aired or that toxic a player that he is airing his side? Surely LFC. fans more than any should know to be cautious of how papers present things.

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23 Jul 2017 14:13:17
We want someone "like that" at Liverpool as he is doing w/ e is possible to play for us! Making himself unpopular at his workplace, distancing himself from his pals. If we don't come in and offer a decent amount (at least 50mil) then we should be ashamed. He is going to be awesome for us.

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21 Jul 2017 16:19:32
Stewart has signed for Hull.

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21 Jul 2017 17:21:19
Best of luck to him.

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21 Jul 2017 17:42:24
All the best Stewart.

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22 Jul 2017 08:05:04
Would have thought a lower half EPL club would have wanted him, is this linked to the Robertson move?

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23 Jul 2017 14:14:00
Yeah, good luck Stewart! Prove us all wrong dude!

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21 Jul 2017 16:15:00
Andy Robertson has been officially revealed he will ware the #26 shirt welcome to LFC Andy YNWA.

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21 Jul 2017 16:19:05
God luck to the boy big move for him and great to have a Jock in the back line again!

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21 Jul 2017 16:20:57
Welcome to the Liverpool fc family Robertson YNWA.

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21 Jul 2017 16:46:29
Why no. 26? If Sakho's off, then surely he could have the no. 3. (just stirring the Sahko staying pot ;) )

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21 Jul 2017 18:38:28
Good luck to the lad - hope he can grow and develop into a quality fullback.

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21 Jul 2017 19:24:03
Welcome to Liverpool Andy and Good luck in your Anfield career.

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21 Jul 2017 19:42:53
Good luck to him! Let's hope he does better han the last scotsman ho wore 26 with us.

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21 Jul 2017 21:21:37
We needed a scotsman in the squad - Liverpool have never won the league title without one.

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21 Jul 2017 22:28:09
There was always a very good Scottish element to all the great Liverpool squads.

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21 Jul 2017 15:05:53
Sevilla interested in sakho according to ssn. Not at price we want for him so maybe on loan.

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21 Jul 2017 17:58:03
Perhaps Southampton is looking for a CB?

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21 Jul 2017 22:28:48
We should tell them where to go. Sale or nothing.

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21 Jul 2017 10:56:52
Hey Ed002.

Klopp siad that Coutinho is not for sale at any price. But, in one of your replies you said that the bid is less than what Liverpool would want! Are Liverpool open to selling Coutinho? Klopp also said that we are Not a Selling Club. We are Building a team, and Coutinho is an Integral part of that team.

You still think Lfc are open to sell Coutinho to Barcelona?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool quoted Paris Saint Germain €100M to sell Philippe Coutinho around the end of May or beginning of June. It struck me as a very dumb thing to do. I expect Liverpool to resist any sale but as you know the player and his agent have been flirting with the idea of a move to Barcelona.}

21 Jul 2017 11:15:43
Very dumb thing to do.

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21 Jul 2017 11:37:22
Barcelona are going to try anything to keep Neymar so bidding for Coutinho is no surprise. If Neymar joins psg expect Coutinho to leave next season.

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21 Jul 2017 11:50:12
Am sure based on the way transfer fees have gone mad. Liverpool have since changed there stance on accepting €100m for coutinho. I would also say every player has there price, although I hope nobody meets coutinho's.

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21 Jul 2017 11:50:49
every player has a price no matter how good.
all football clubs are a business.

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21 Jul 2017 11:53:27
Liverpool under klopp are not a selling club.
Coutinio is happy at Liverpool.
He has a young family and his kids are settled in Liverpool and even have scouse accents.
A player of his calibre is always going to attract interest from the world's best.
I'm not worried about him leaving this year at all.
If we fail to keep progressing as a team and don't qualify for champions league next year then I would be a little more worried.
On the other hand if we do qualify again next year and perhaps win the league this season or make a serious challenge, I think we will find it easier to land the very best players.
With better players we will win more.

This is a very important season for liverpool. Do well and we could open the door to years of success.

Do poorly and it could be back to the drawing board.

Welcome to Liverpool Andy.

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21 Jul 2017 12:33:16
No way should Couts be sold at any price this summer. There has been a lot of positive talk about the club's ambition this summer and selling Couts just puts a huge dent into the club's future prospects for the foreseeable future. Keita should be no replacement for Couts. The ambition should be to pair the two with Hendo and build a top notch midfield that can outplay the very best.
Selling Couts to fund VVD and Keita is like taking a one step forward and two steps backward.

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21 Jul 2017 11:40:36
Would liverpool try and get rafinha as part of the deal if it came to it?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea but his time at Barcelona is at an end.}

21 Jul 2017 11:43:32
Given what you've said above Ed002 mate (and to be honest you've constantly reiterated for years now about LFC) do you think (using a metaphor) that the left hand is blind to what the right hand is doing in the case of our club?

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{Ed002's Note - I think it is more a case of bravado to try and scare off interested parties. Liverpool are not great at dealing with such matters and all too often have jumped the gun and said things.}

21 Jul 2017 12:20:38
Thanks for clarifying the PSG tout by lfc Ed002. Personally I'd prefer to keep Couts, sack off Keita and give Grujic the opportunity this season and most importantly focus on the defence, get VVD in if it's possible. Hopefully Robertson will prove a lot of us wrong.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect that you are closer to the truth than perhaps you realise.}

21 Jul 2017 12:51:05
What complete nonsense in this thread. Firstly Klopp has no say in the matter. Secondly, do you really think these yank penny pinching hedge fund managers were going to stump £70 mill for Kieta without a significant sale? More chance of platting fog. Thirdly not all players have a price as the poster eluded too above, as we've just found out in our pursuit of Kieta. All players have a price if the business model is guided by hedge fund principles and econometric models. Trust me Phils gone and net spend will either be in the black or virtually zero.

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21 Jul 2017 12:57:35
Suppered91, can you elaborate please as to why we're not a selling club under Klopp? Has Klopp got a percentage ownership in the club us fans aren't aware of?

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21 Jul 2017 13:10:27
Another classic FSG gilt edged £10 mill punt on Andy Robertson. Can't lose, they'll stump that sort of dough all day long in the knowledge their hedge criteria should yield at least a doubling up in value over the course of a season or 2. Where was salah or the dough for a winger when Mane went to ACON and we were top of the league, beat city New Year's Eve and title contenders. Every man and his dog could see the system and that lace was vital in the final third. Six weeks later and we're out of everything.

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21 Jul 2017 13:14:16
Wow Ozone's bnack with a blast.

Must say io disagree with everything you've said. These owners saved our club from oblivion and have pumped significantly more money in than they have taken out, that is simply just a fact.

But the truth is that football clubs have to be a business. If you want to shift towards fan ownership then fine, but prepare for a life much lower down the footballing pyramid. Just how much did Ebbsfleet progress under fan ownership?

Klopp does have a say in the matter, as does everyone in a senior position at the club. It is not a case of edicts coming from America to do whatever they want, it is a club, with most people trying to work together.

All players do have a price. Yes we may not be able to get Keita for £60mill or £65mill or £70mill. but if we were to offer say £500mill, then we would sign him. So every player does have a price.

We have progressed since Klopp arrived, not as fast as he said we would and the owners assumed we would, but we have progressed. So who cares if the net spend is in the black? In fact, I want net spend to be in the black if at all possible.

And actually, if you want rid of these "yank penny pinching hedge fund managers" then you should want the club in the black. Who on earth is going to pay for the running of the club if we are spending beyond our means every transfer window?

Perhaps you just want a rich middle eat prince to come in and splash their oil money and fill the team with mercenaries. In which case that is not the club I love.

The owners aren't perfect, they are in it to make money, and they have made significant mistakes over their time at the club, but they are trying to fix those issues, they have expanded the stadium at great expense, they have brought in the manager that almost everybody wanted and they are trying to do it right. And with people like Kenny still involved in the club the club still has a heart which cares about the people at the club, the fans and the people in the city.

All I want is to enjoy watching my club play football, and selling one player, however good they are, isn't going to stop that.

If Coutinho leaves then I wish him all the best, he has given me some great memories. If he stays then he will continue making those memories I'm sure.

If we sign Keita then great, he looks a good player and i'll enjoy watching him play. If we don't then ah well, we have lots of good players already and i enjoy watching them play.

Anyway, it's good to have you back Ozone, despite not agreeing with you in anyway whatsoever.

All the best everyone, i'm off to the pub!

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21 Jul 2017 13:26:30
Ozone. I suspect if we sold our best players every season klopp would soon lose interest.
He has come here with a long term project to build a title winning side capable of competing in the highest level of European cup.
If he is forced by the club to sell his best players for nothing but profit I suspect he would have second thoughts about staying.
I don't think he would stop players leaving if they really wanted to but he has been quoted as saying "liverpool are not a selling club"

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21 Jul 2017 13:28:56
Champions league play off game in August will tell a lot. Will Couts actually play or will he be on the bench?

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21 Jul 2017 13:46:01
Barcelona's first choice is Verratti and I don't think that has changed. They might buy both with Neymar money. But would be a dumb move.
Everything depends on Verratti and not Neymar!

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21 Jul 2017 13:48:20
We are not a selling club though. We sell players who have a desire to leave for pastures New, such as Suarez and maybe Phil. We also sell players who Liverpool deem not good enough such as Carroll or Benteke.

Can you name me the last good quality player we sold that wanted to stay at LFC. If that had happened then we would be a selling club. Just remember, good players leave clubs all the time, especially when the said club have failed to win anything in ages. Players want success.

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21 Jul 2017 13:45:57
FSG will pull off Keita to save themselves from the likes of Waro and Ozone. They would rather die than sell Coutinho!

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21 Jul 2017 14:00:01
Ohhhhh no here we go the irish rovers here as usual. We're not a selling club now we only sell players who have a desire to leave! Ohhhhh it's painful to read. Quality players won't stay at LFC rover as their agents know the business model and that there's more chance of platting fog than there is us winning the title under this shower so they go elsewhere for a medal haul. In your statement you've knocked on the front door walked round the house to end up back at the front door. We're the new Arsenal of the north and you may as well call the manager Arsen Klopp. Top 4, player resale, growing revenues, 15% plus yields and package exploitation are the only variables these owners are interested in. If these variables flourish the capital value rises. Win win win $$$$$$$$$.

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21 Jul 2017 14:02:27
Every player does have a price, we just haven't met Keita's yet.

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21 Jul 2017 14:04:42
That's it then we can all sleep at night, superred91 has indeed confirmed that we're not a selling club. Phils stopping.

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21 Jul 2017 14:08:25
Oh and before anyone starts, I'm not saying Robertsons a bad buy, good addition to be fair but classic FSG punt. They've not all unfolded that way - Bikini, the neck!

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21 Jul 2017 14:16:26
Think ed and red reaper are right. Keep Phil, won't get kieta and focus on vvd.

Vvd
Salah
Solenke
Robertson

That's would be a pretty decent window.

If vvd can request a transfer can't kieta do so also?

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21 Jul 2017 14:16:54
I still don't get what you want Ozone?

You want us to spend massive amounts of money on loads of players because taking a punt on a "good addition" isn't enough?

Where is this money coming from? Are you going to give the club the extra millions needed to make this possible?

The owners have put more money in than they have taken out, that is simple fact, they are yet to make any profit on their investment whatsoever, so how on earth are they the ones ruining the club?

Mindless!

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21 Jul 2017 14:31:44
What are you on about Reddawn. The clubs worth a billion, your talking absolute eyewash. On paper they've made a handsome profit. If it wasn't for Brexit no doubt they would've sold and cashed in. Without doubt they won't invest and build on the existing squad to compete on all levels, they'll sell to buy. We lost mane to ACON and folded RedDawn, season over in six weeks. That in itself says the squads not good enough and needs investment. We have European commitments next season and if we don't build on the existing squad the campaign will end up like Teds after Suarez.

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21 Jul 2017 14:36:35
Good post Reaper.

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21 Jul 2017 14:39:01
Let's just clarify here, specifically regarding what Rover posted. Ok if we're not a selling club then surely an offer of let's say £150 mill for Phil and the owners will adopt the same stance as Leipzig specifically if Jurgen sees him as integral in his plans. Agreed? If you disagree then indeed we're a selling club. Phils signed a five year deal. That, on the face of it says he wants to stay at LFC does it not?

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21 Jul 2017 14:43:08
So you want them to fund the purchase of a world class player to cover for one player going away for 6 weeks?

Where is this money coming from?

You seem to have no idea on how to run a business. You can't just pump money into it and hope for the best. The people who own the club are investors, they are not a charity.

Every club should aim to run without debt, at the moment, Liverpool has a huge amount of debt, and the owners have put more money into the club than they have taken out of the club.

The proof of the pudding will be when the club is actually making a profit and whether investment will come then or whether we will just be another Arsenal.

But at the moment, the owners have not made any profit whatsoever, and unless they sell up then they won't any time soon.

This is fantasy fairy land stuff where you think money grows on trees and the club should spend money they don't have.

I'm not going to ask the Eds to back me up on this because they won't want to get in to talking about money, but i'm sure they would agree that Liverpool do not have the money nor the means to invest in the squad more heavily than they are at the moment.

Anyway, i can see we won't agree so i'll wish you well and say goodbye.

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21 Jul 2017 14:43:26
Cant Barcelona just go get get kieta and put an end to all this 😉.

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21 Jul 2017 15:28:29
Ohhh it's painful it really is. I'm sure there's a thousand and one lemmings like RedDawn out there who can't see the wood got the trees as they know nothing about busines. I give up.

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21 Jul 2017 15:56:55
You've still provided no solution whatsoever to the non existent problem that you have created in your own head.

How would you like to see the club run?

A rich oligarch? Fan ownership? American style franchise system?

I am intrigued to learn the Ozone method of running a football club. Please do enlighten me oh great one.

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21 Jul 2017 16:07:42
Yes please, give up.

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21 Jul 2017 16:10:49
Spot on, red dawn. After years of reading Ozone and Waros posts on here, i have seen plenty of issues and no solutions. They are simply agitators with no end goal.

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21 Jul 2017 16:52:11
I'd love to go for a drink with Ozone. seems a right cheery chap! 😀🔫.

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21 Jul 2017 17:58:05
Ozone please give over with your habit of always dealing in conspiracy theories regarding FSG and how they are useless owners cos they don't do the things you want them to do. You are aware that FSG have no say in who we sign nor sell, right? Neither do they have a say on who the scouts pick for us to sign? They have employees who do these things and they have never interfered with transfer issues apart from the Suarez saga. If we cannot sign someone, that is Klopp's decision as he has the final say on who comes in and who does not. You're so negative in your appraisal of FSG that is is bordering on lunacy.

They can't never do anything right, in your eyes. That is not an opinion from you. That is you having an agenda and to me, it is just pathetic. FSG have their issues but they are trying their best. What else do you want from them? To cripple the club and spend on players just to suit your ego? Again, enough with your conspiracy theories cos like it or not, nobody cares about them but you.

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21 Jul 2017 18:16:50
We've never sold our best players have we. oh hang on - Keegan, Rush, Souness, Owen, McManaman, Fowler - just a few names that spring to mind. All clubs are selling clubs if the right amount of cash is on offer.

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22 Jul 2017 08:14:24
Difference between a selling club and where LFC clearly aims to be is what someone purlined previously. Selling club is constantly selling to bigger clubs. A top level club will sell unsettled or looking for new challenge type players but will know and have sorted a like for like replacement. EG Dalglish for Keegan.

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22 Jul 2017 12:37:00
@The Irish Rover.
"Can you name me the last good quality player we sold that wanted to stay at LFC"
You should have added "under FSG" to that sentence. Because right now to your question I can answer with Alonso.

Anyway Red dawn or ozone whoever said about buying a world class player to cover for mane going to afcon. (cba scrolling up again through all that arguing) .

WHAT?

Keita is in no way at all even remotely related to Mane's position. So I don’t it?
When Mane left for Afcon we missed his direct pace. Ala Salah (that was fun to say in my head)
We will still have epic direct pace (Salah seems even faster somehow than Mane) . But Afcon is 3 transfer windows away. (And if it gets moved to the summer like pruposed. we don't need to worry) so what’s the fuss over it?

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22 Jul 2017 13:50:06
Ignore the 2nd to last bit of my post. For some stupid reason I forgot Salah would be going to AFCON too xD *down votes own post and slaps self*.

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21 Jul 2017 00:22:05
Barca make 72m bid for Coutinho to be rejected. Sky sports Germany just reported 3rd bid 71m for Keita hopefully enough for them!

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21 Jul 2017 01:33:35
Clearly Barcelona can't afford Couts only offering half what he is worth.

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21 Jul 2017 04:04:35
The difference between 71 and 66 is just 5m, I wonder how 5m can make RBL change their minds unless it's in cold hard cash and not staggered payments.

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21 Jul 2017 04:26:24
I thought this was perhaps likely - the astonomical figures we all o a sudden seem to be paying seem too good to be true withou a significant departure or two. I really, really hope Coutinho doesn't leave but wouldn't be surprised if it materialises.

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21 Jul 2017 05:51:37
Suarez, straight swap.?

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21 Jul 2017 06:04:09
I personally think couts will go,
Barcelona to big a draw for him.

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21 Jul 2017 07:07:13
So this is how saints fans feel.

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21 Jul 2017 07:32:20
Buying Keita is obviously preparing for life without Coutinho, I don't understand how they would both fit into the same team, now Salah took his position on the left.

I doubt Coutinho will be going anywhere until Kieta has signed a contract with us (if the deal goes through) it would be ludicrous to let him go first.

The midfield area is overstocked, and if you take Firmino out of the equation and class him as a striker, that leaves us with Salah, Mane, Hendo, Can, Lallana, Keita, Grujic, Gini, and then the likes of Chirivella, Ejaria and Ojo, (loan depending) all knocking on the door, I probably have missed a few of the youngsters out.

Don't get we wrong I would love him to stay, rather than buy Keita, but personally I think its certainly on the cards, especially now Iniesta, who I imagine he would replace is coming to the end of his career.

Just my opinion.

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21 Jul 2017 07:43:20
If signing keita means losing couthino then walk away couthino is getting better every season and klopp should build the team around him.

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21 Jul 2017 07:50:34
Barca have already set the fee for young Brazilian forwards. You can sell one for £195m and then buy another with similar talent for £72m.

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21 Jul 2017 08:26:06
It has to be world record transfer. he is obviously way way better than that emoji.

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21 Jul 2017 08:39:00
You don't sell your best players if you want to compete in the CL and PL, end of story.

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{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

21 Jul 2017 08:46:29
From the look of things:

The plan was to get Kieta and play him in the same system
As Coutinho. Then Coutinho would be allowed to leave,
If he wants to, next summer.

Liverpool WON'T Sell him this summer. Especially with how savage and crazy the market is.

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21 Jul 2017 10:10:38
Couts is at least 3x wat Kyle walker cost. Go do the math.

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21 Jul 2017 10:11:01
I like the way £5 million is shunned as "nothing"

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21 Jul 2017 10:14:32
Doesn't matter how many midfielders we have currently, it's about improving the team for me.

The days of Gerrard, Masch and the maestro Alonso will likely never be seen, but we should try and reach new levels. If Keita comes in, I'd see another go, but not Coutinho.

Be interesting to see how FSG handles this as we are being told a player like Keita is not for sale. So let's see how the Coutinho situation is handled.

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21 Jul 2017 11:15:01
Eds - do you know how much LFC would want for Countinho?

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{Ed002's Note - I only know what they quoted PSG.}

21 Jul 2017 11:46:30
Barca is power on the wane while Liverpool is resurgent. If Cout goes he could be betting on the wrong horse.

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21 Jul 2017 12:01:13
Personally I think kieta and coutinio in the same team is perfect. Look at us ar 4 1 2 1 2 last season we were class. Or 433 gives us six potential positions to play them both. Let's hope kieta isn't a replacement coz I don't think we are going to get him unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong. Coutinio and kieta are interchangeable all over the park. We are team building.
If we sign kieta= coutinio stays
If we lose out on kieta= coutinio stays.
Coutinio is a much much better player than kieta.

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21 Jul 2017 12:26:04
If coutinio did leave I would be devastated. If we sign kieta or not.

If we keep coutinio but don't land kieta then I'll shrug my shoulders. Be a little dissapointed. But ultimately remain very optimistic this year.

In the next 5 years Phil will be considered best attacking midfielder in the world if he isn't already. Balon'dor level.

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21 Jul 2017 12:55:10
Spot on seano, the 5 year contract renewal was the give away he's off. Classic hedge fund type principles being applied to sport by a group of greedy parasites.

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22 Jul 2017 08:16:19
With the Neymar thing dragging and him being who has been in Coutinho's ear, have a feeling this will drag now.

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