Liverpool Rumours Archive July 23 2017

 

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23 Jul 2017 22:13:46
Has VVD handed in a formal transfer request Eds or has he just said he doesn't want to be there anymore?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know to be honest. Southampton must be aware it is coming and that there is interest in him from a couple of sides, but they won't be happy at all.}

23 Jul 2017 22:23:08
You can't blame them really! If a Liverpool player did what VVD is doing I'm sure LFC wouldn't be best pleased! But saying that I hope business can be done between us and Saints as I feel VVD is the only signing we really need to improve our Squad! Keita would have been nice but I don't think he is an essential need right now especially for the money we are trying to throw at RB for him!

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23 Jul 2017 23:58:33
Mascherano did it to us and barcelona paid a fraction of what he was worth.

At least Southampton will be getting paid well over the odds for VVD.

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24 Jul 2017 00:41:41
I don't think we will get him. Southampton seem adamant and if they do sell I don't think it will be to us on principle. Don't know why they're getting so funny zbout it, we are talking crazy amount of money. We won't get kieta either. If we lose coutinio I don't think I'm being hysterical by calling this window a disaster. We've lost a top midfielder already and only signed one star player and two squad fillers (although Robertson should come good, don't see him jumping in front of Milner straight away) I guess it's not bad, we were brilliant at full strength last term. I'd like to see at least one more star signing though. And then there's can. Klopp said the talks were not the worst. That sounds pretty bad to me. I know it's all talk at the moment but it's going bad to worse.

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24 Jul 2017 03:39:10
Ever the pessimist. Lol. Relax doom munger.

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24 Jul 2017 07:21:02
We will get VVD. Southampton are for ever selling players regardless what they say.

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24 Jul 2017 08:22:29
Isn't there an element of saints bringing this situation on themselves somewhat? Didn't I read something about saints' treatment of another player causing some unrest amongst the team?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

24 Jul 2017 08:58:42
Slowdog, that was the situation where Fonte allegedly had his transfer to Man U messed around by Southampton. VVD was apparently left unsettled at his team mates treatment. This was discussed by one of th Eds a while ago. You can use the search to try find it.

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24 Jul 2017 09:10:24
Ed2 I think slowdog is right. I read the same thing too that VVD was unhappy and wanted to leave after the Southampton board vs Fonte transfer debacle when he left last window.
can’t for the life of me find the article I read it on though ;_;

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the issue. It is quite frankly pitiful that you are now trying to blame Southampton for the illegal approach made by Klopp and Liverpool - absolutely pathetic.}

24 Jul 2017 09:12:32
Southampton should probably just sell him to us at this stage, it's good money and they can re-invest it quite wisely, they should never have been put in this situation by Liverpool, but that's the situation they find themselves in.

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24 Jul 2017 11:23:14
Calm down ed. Its nothing of the sort. I absolutely know 100% that Liverpool were at fault in their dealings a few months ago. The situation I was referring to was vvd's earlier unrest.

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24 Jul 2017 11:26:51
Sorry gilcra. I know it's a pretty gloomy post but coutinio talk really worried me coz of our selling past. Trying to be positive today. Let's whack a massive offer in for virgil! See what happens then move on if we can't force Southamptons hand. I'd rather have 60 mil than a player who doesn't want to play for you.

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24 Jul 2017 11:49:59
Knowing klopp he will have alternative targets in place and in a way they come with less pressure on their shoulders. If we don't lose anyone around the first team and sign a decent cb then it'll be a good window. If we also sign a dynamic midfielder then I'd say it's been a great summer. My stomach is doing summersults thinking OUR season is less than 3 weeks away! All the talk of a new CB must have made lovren stop and think. The guy is class on his day and I reckon he will be training hard. No point buying a cb unless hrs an improvement.

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24 Jul 2017 12:26:45
It looks like Can is going, we can't get into a situation like mcmanaman or Owen and let them go for nothing or on the cheap. Can has potential but not winning trophies is something players don't want. lfc should get as much for him now .
Also coutinho has his heart set on Barcelona maybe influenced by Suarez. so let him go for 90/ 100 mill. included in that maybe a fringe player.
The players to go for maybe Assensio, Carvalho, lfc have goto act quick thou .

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24 Jul 2017 13:43:07
Ed02- .......................go on, post this and let's see who agrees?

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{Ed002's Note - We don't respond to threats from rubbish like you. Don't come back.}

24 Jul 2017 15:38:51
So is Keita definitely off? Sorry I've been away for a few days and tried the search function but every single post for the last 6 weeks has been about Keita so that didn't help!

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24 Jul 2017 16:07:47
The key word is ILLEGAL.

Not sure how any fan can condone Klopp's or Liverpool FC's actions. After releasing a statement saying he won't be pursued, I think it would be utterly embarrassing to try and tie up a deal now.

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24 Jul 2017 17:31:48
Hi first time poster here. Been on the site for a while now but never posted before.

I've reads posts from fans alike on here and also the EDS going on and on about the tapping up scenarios. and in all honesty I've heard enough now. Liverpool tapped up a player whether it was knowingly or not and they got caught out. deal with it. one thing I don't agree with is some (not all of the Eds) are commenting saying this isn't a common practice in football . I'm sorry it is, it's more common than you would ever believe. This is happening in every league in all countries, and as someone who's spent 11 years in the game, and also have close friends who have played and still play at the very top this country has to offer I can tell you every single club do it. The difference is some are a lot more tactful the way they go about it.

By the way you EDS do a great job keep it up 🖒.

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{Ed002's Note - I will explain again for you. What Liverpool has been doing includes really screwing with the career of a 12 year old boy, falifying records, making fraudulent submissions to the FA, leaving the kid's parents in significant debt, lying to an investigation and attempting to have his parents lie to an investigation is not common practice. Meeting a player without the knowledge of his club is not common practice. Communicating repeatedly with players of other sides after being warned twice last season, warned once this season and having a complaint lodged with the Premier League is not common practice.

These pitiful attempts and embarrassing attempts to deflect away from the manager are making the fans more and more of a laughing stock. Why you wish to humiliate everyone fourter is beyond me, but others want to move on whilst all you wish to do is illustrate yet again quite how bad the club and the manager have behaved.

If you are coming simply to troll the site and posts of others you are wasting your time. We would be grateful if you don't bother returning.}

24 Jul 2017 17:46:37
Well said ed. No reason whatsoever to defend the clubs actions. There should be a punishment technically but it looks like that won't be happening.

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24 Jul 2017 18:21:33
*deleted for being ignorant and idiotic nonsense*

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{Ed001's Note - you really have not a clue what you are talking about so please shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.}

24 Jul 2017 22:40:22
(Sent before I finished -. -)

I think even if we showed absolutely no interest in vvd and never illegally approached him or even thought about him, let’s take us out of the equation all together - He would still want out and if any other club approached he would probably do the same in Southampton never let him leave.

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24 Jul 2017 22:36:38
Eds, I in no way at all mentioned anything to do with our illegal approach. All I said was vvd had already hinted on he was unhappy at Southampton before Klopp even thought about walking on the pier with him.

NOTHING at all to do with how we made our approach, we still did something dumb af and should never have done it.

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24 Jul 2017 22:51:39
Ed002 has conveniently forgotten her teams tapping up of Ashley Cole. Every team taps up. Which is why no action was taken against Liverpool. It would open a can of worms. I read a fantastic write up from a lawyer who deals in football transfers. Tapping up is accepted because it's his club's gauge if a player is interested in a move or not. And it's all done on WhatsApp because agents always have their phone on them.

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{Ed002's Note - Where have I said I have forgotten that? Do you understand about that? Who was punished? Do you know who Mr Barnett os? What does "no action agaisnt Liverpool" mean and what has it do to witn 12 or 13 years ago and Mr Barnett. You are yet again embarrassing the decent fans of Liverpool with your ignorance - again everyone will look at this and thing how little people like you understand what is going on.}

23 Jul 2017 20:44:32
Hi eds
Instead of the thousand questions could you just tell us if you have any new info on players coming in and leaving
As all ways a big thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of the club flip-flopping to others right now. They remain keen on NB, and perhaps on VvD.}

23 Jul 2017 23:08:43
Keita s off. Vvd could cause problems but damnnn it'll be worth it.

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23 Jul 2017 20:43:00
Hi ed,

Have you had any indication as to who the alternatives are to Keita that LFC may consider? Surely there's a contingency plan of some sorts.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I gave a list of those that the club has been interested in the other day - but most have moved on. You need to think seriously about whether or not the club just buy for the sake of it (to appease the fans) or has a structured approach to regeneration - where they buy the players they need.}

23 Jul 2017 23:10:42
Granted ed. Absolutely.

But

We haven't just identified keita. but a cm.

Similar to a pacey winger, mane wasn't first choice. Another winger. brandt, got salah. Wij. Robertson.

I'm hoping that it's the cm we have decided on, because in my opinion it's where games are won and lost and it is certainly not our stronger point.

Just don't want to go for someone completely below keita, hopefully it's someone similar.

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24 Jul 2017 00:43:26
Midfield is easily our strongest area of the pitch?

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24 Jul 2017 02:13:22
our midfield is deceptively (and arugably) our weakest link. they press well, link attack etc but they often leave the defense stranded and with the opposition flooding our box. Matip said it himself about the way we play not making it easy on our defenders. I think we have good pieces there, but I do believe our defense would benefit from out midfield being amore compact and connected unit. adding quality depth will help that and having guys who can come in and out with dropping the levels will help.

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24 Jul 2017 06:18:18
Opponents waltz through our midfield without a care in the world. I agree with Faithinworks.

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{Ed001's Note - that's because of the way we play, it will always be like that unless we had 3 Kantes in there, who could press and get back.}

24 Jul 2017 10:28:24
so we need 9 midfielders then ed001? haha.

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{Ed001's Note - could be.}

24 Jul 2017 11:30:38
Exactly eds. Brazil were always famous for saying "okay we concede 1 we score 3" we can't have everything. Top class defenders will help with leaking goals. World class keeper too. Karius looked unreal in training! Hope he gets the nod this season.

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24 Jul 2017 14:11:53
Agree with Ed - if you look at the tougher games we played last year with more balanced possession (e. g. Man City, Man Utd, Tottenham) our defense actually looked pretty good, largely because our midfield won the midfield battles and providing meaningful cover.

It's against the lower teams where we look shaky because our midfield and FBs both push up the pitch, leaving our CBS exposed on the break (not to mention set pieces) . so IMO our midfield isn't the problem, it's the way we play.

I do think Klopp has this figured out though - look at the way we were far more balanced in possession during the latter stages of last season. We scored less, but conceded far less, and put together a relatively consistent run.

I would not be surprised to see a more conservative/ balanced approach this year against the so-called weaker sides, and also to see a 4-2-3-1 come out from time to time.

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24 Jul 2017 22:55:32
Our defence only let in 8 goals in the last 12 games. Only Spurs matched that. We were showing signs of actually knowing how to defend. But also because Lovren and Matip both stayed fit. And Mignolet was absolutely brilliant.

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23 Jul 2017 16:58:11
Hi Ed 002,
do you think Liverpool will sign Keita and who is pushing so hard for the transfer? The manager or The owners? thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I think it is unlikely as RBL really do not want to break up their side and sell. They have shared this position publically over and over and have made clear to his agent that this is the case.}

23 Jul 2017 18:23:44
Looks like another bid has been rejected, have you heard anything eds? Some saying this is b. s. Sly saying third bid rejected, others saying 3rd was rejected last week and 4th going in next week. confusing much! Alternatives? Move on I'd say. let's get vvd done.

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{Ed002's Note - It is as has been explained over and over.}

23 Jul 2017 18:38:06
Why are Liverpool seemingly pursuing a lost cause? Surely they must have been given some encouragement that a deal was possible to make multiple bids. Or is it misplaced arrogance?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure how much further they will chase but it will hopefully be another lesson learned at least. His agen may have provided encouragement but by Monday he had been warned off and by mid-week the club were distancing themselves from any meeting in Hong Kong which was by then being reported.}

23 Jul 2017 18:50:47
Cheers eds.

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23 Jul 2017 19:17:00
Someone obviously doesn't see it as a lost cause. Someone with purse strings. I would have left it weeks ago having the 2nd knock back and the "Hes not for sale" statement.

This is aimed at everyone saying "leave it" and "its a lost cause". do you think Barcelona will leave Couts alone after Klopps similar statement? Because I don't.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect one more offer then they will move on and I suspect this is already known to the player's representative.}

23 Jul 2017 19:30:15
Do you suspect this last bid to be concidered by Leipzig at all, Ed002? Read some rumours about a huge payment upfront. If true would that perhaps make thrm soften up?

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{Ed002's Note - They don't want to sell.}

23 Jul 2017 19:41:33
ed002 has Keita been training on his own like reports say, if so will him pushing hard for a move in the end make it more of a decision for Leipzig to make a bit like torres did for us?

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{Ed002's Note - Not as far as I know. He was in the team photographs, has been training with the others and changed his Twitter picture or whatever to him kissing (perhaps licking) the RBL badge - just a thought, maybe he was kissing it goodbye?}

23 Jul 2017 19:48:46
Its really confusing me this, They are rejecting bids and actively saying not for sale, what is making us think anything will change, would the latest offer be considered silly money to get them to sell, or is silly money not even something they would look at.

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23 Jul 2017 19:52:01
I know, as no club wants to sell their best player, but sometimes money talks. Well that do definite end of this story then I assume. To bad, would of been a class signing.

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23 Jul 2017 20:09:11
Silly money is what has already been offered Jay.
If Klopp really wants him I'm sure he will wait and if this rumoured "release clause" kicks in next season we get him well cheaper. That's if he still wants to come this time next year.

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23 Jul 2017 20:24:44
Money may talk but for RBL, I really don't see them budging one bit.
Which I admire, because he's sticking to his gun and isn't being tempted by X amount of €€€, Even if Naby hands in a TR, I stink they they'll wouldn't sell him.

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23 Jul 2017 20:52:03
Suspect a lot of the stories are made up by the media
I don't believe LFC management is so dumb as chase after a lost cause
This is the time for newspapers to make nice profits.

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23 Jul 2017 21:24:10
Although he would be a great addition to the the squad not signing NK is great news as no way will couts be allowed to leave now.

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23 Jul 2017 21:10:02
ED your thoughts please. Keita is over, will Klopp go for a no2. target. If so any ideas who (hes claimed he won't spend for the sake of it) but Brandt was no 1 not Salah.

Hendo/ Gigi/ Can do not have the same style of play. Hendo sits way to deep sideways/ long ball doesn't drive the team forward. Can / Gigi not dynamic enough around the pitch.

Dont get me wrong all good players im judging them against Keita/ Kante, which it appears its what he wants if he's to accomodate Couts in midfield.

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{Ed002's Note - I keep ansering this question. It is like deja vu. A flashback.}

23 Jul 2017 21:15:18
ed002 is Keita keen on the move or is happy where he is keep seeing so many conflicting reports you would think there must be something in there for us to keep it up for so long.

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{Ed002's Note - You all seem to be treating this as the most quintessential tranfer ever. It is what has been explained over and over again.}

23 Jul 2017 21:13:22
I don't think is the end of the kieta saga. Not saying we will definitely get him but I reckon the third offer has divided rbl back stage so to speak. The German mag that reported the offer had been accepted must have got that from somewhere presumably. Management want to keep him, the money men want to sell him. 80 mil is a hell of a lot for someone who isn't fully proven or developed. He could get injured or have a poor season. Anything could happen in the kids life to upset his game. Also he could leave for almost half of what we're offering next year. As a football fan, if it were me I wouldn't sell. A business man would sell for sure hence the divide I reckon may have developed at rbl. Saying that I don't think we will sign him. A player I like and would like to see in red is siggurson. I know he is lacking defensively but that can be fixed. He is a match winner and he is begging for the big stage. Okay he goes missing in some games but arguably he has never played under a truly world class manager. Under klopp I could see him ecoming fantastic. Also he is the kinda guy who will whip in a lovely ball toward a blue *cough* Everton shirt in the last minute of a game. If we can get a top young talent and give Everton a dig at the same time all the better. For some reason he is not a popular choice here but I think he was one of best players in league last year. Maybe best player outside the top 6.

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23 Jul 2017 21:51:37
Money may talk in business but RBL is the wrong team to mess with. They have as much if not more money than City due to their sponsor (Red Bull) and money is of no issue to them. They don't need to sell at any price as they can pay the wages needed to keep their players. They don't need the money and neither do we need the money regarding Couts. Therefore, Keita will not be coming here and Couts will be staying here. Time to move on.

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24 Jul 2017 09:16:29
With how quickly we usually move on to Alternative targets if;
A) we get priced out or
B) another team comes in and offers sh! t loads more.
There must be surely some cause for us continuing on with our pursuit?
We don’t usually fight for players we want, let alone a top class player so i’m feeling very optimistic about it (and even VvD but not so much)

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24 Jul 2017 11:33:20
Hope you're right Phil. Barnes reckons it could go down to deadline day. Hope he's right too.

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23 Jul 2017 09:03:43
Hi ed,

Is can signing a new deal or is he interested in moving to juve.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - As far as I know he has yet to return from his vacation.}

23 Jul 2017 10:15:20
Given a player running into his last year of the contract, it's dangerous to keep him without a new contract. 35m EUROs seems like a steal these days.

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23 Jul 2017 13:04:39
He was in Tesco Formby yesterday so he's definitely back. Not sure if he's training yet though. 👍🏽.

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23 Jul 2017 15:49:10
My 2cents.
Got a feeling Naby is a replacement for Can.
And no10 will stay.

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23 Jul 2017 17:52:27
Naby pursuit is dead in the water let's move on.

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23 Jul 2017 18:05:10
If we can get 30+ million for Emre Can I would be delighted. The chap is constantly stuck in 3rd gear.

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23 Jul 2017 21:17:17
Goal of the season scorer stuck in third gear? I think he is told to play a role and he does it sensibly. Not always giving ball away looking for killer balls. When he plays higher up the pitch he always looks pretty dangerous to me. Always a chance he can smack one in top corner. I would do all we can to keep him as he is only getting better and that's easy to see. Hence why ucl finalists want him.

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23 Jul 2017 21:54:55
Can like Couts, Studge, Lucas and Firmino, really stepped up for us in the final weeks of last season and he has carried that over into the German national team at the Confed Cup. He is now a full German international and barring any hiccups, will be in the Group for Russia. We need to keep Can as we will need him. Now if he wants to leave then, we should convince him to stay or let him go depending on the conversation.

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