Liverpool Rumours Archive May 23 2017

 

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23 May 2017 20:43:29
Of the rumoured players the best summer would be:

Pereira, sessegnon (being loaned) Keita, Luan and brandt with sturridge staying and origi going on loan. With a clear out of unwanted players. Solid team with depth!

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23 May 2017 22:17:43
Origi on loan? Whatever for? The boy needs to either be playing regularly, either as an often used sub or starter, or he needs to be moved on. A loan does not help him now. He needs to be allowed to grow at our level, or moved on for his own career.

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23 May 2017 22:47:18
I agree with Adz28.

Origi has already been out on loan before, for Lille. There is no point doing it again.

Personally, I believe Origi will come good, has all the physical attributes required to be a very good striker. He just needs to work on certain things in training with the coaches and find some consistency. Origi is a talented boy but I suspect even he doesn't know what style of striker he wants to be. Is he more suited to a poacher like striker, hold up, false nine or perhaps a more complete striker who can do a little of everything. Right now, Origi does not know how to compliment the teams style. Needs time but.

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23 May 2017 23:14:05
Because he needs to play regularly in his preferred role (cf) . The big problem with his game is actual experience and regular games, he ATM 3rd choice. Although he can play wide he is a striker and his only chance to learn the role is on loan. Although he could dislodge them he would need sturridge and firmino to lose their place. We have important games and we want to win trophies, so klopp will probably start him in cup games. think he'd be better going on loan to a team that could start him regularly.

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23 May 2017 23:57:41
I don't think it's such a bad idea. He's still young and learning. I think it'd be ok if it was a PL club. Look what a loan move did for Lukaku. It's about finding the right team and manager.

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24 May 2017 00:25:14
He was first pick in the Europe league before he got injured. Origi has work on a lot of things this year he now can hold the ball up when Klopp first come in can anyone remember how many times he was losing the ball.

Origi for me should stay at this club he will get his chance next season.

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24 May 2017 00:40:09
So who do we loan him out to then? Another Premier League team, thus bolstering their capabilities, whilst diminishing our squad? Or a foreign team, so that the experience he gets has no real benefit to him for playing in the premier league? He is best to stay with us, train with us, win his place in the team. If he can't, then we should move him on. Klopp has preferred him over Sturridge for a lot of this season, even when Sturridge was fit. I think he can grow to become a really useful player for us, but it needs to be with us, week in week out. Loan is pointless now.

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24 May 2017 01:36:14
Ok but how many goals has he scored? That's what he's supposed to do. I just think a loan move might help him develop faster. Right now it's a bit stop start. I think other players have taken time to make more of an impact.

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24 May 2017 06:11:28
Back end of last season he really made improvements and I thought he would turn out to be a good player after initially looking poor but he just hasn't kicked on this season and he's now played over 100 first team matches so he has had plenty of time to develop.
I'd say this season is make or break for him, if a decent offer came in for him I would personally sell (probably make a good profit) or if not he has to establish himself as a starter. I hope he can kick on but I'm not holding my breath.

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{Ed025's Note - impact sub at best for me craig..

24 May 2017 12:28:59
Origi has played an important role in a squad that has got champions league football hopefully next year.

I think and hope he will have a bigger role in each further season that he stays with us.

He may not reach his peak for another 5 years.

There are a few on here who are very negative towards Origi but can't answer when asked what other forward at the club could play the role asked of Origi this season. To hold the ball up and lay it off.
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23 May 2017 10:10:31
Hey Eds,

Thanks for all your top work. You mentioned that if Manninger were to leave we may get a veteran keeper in to replace him. There has been an explosion of reports out of no where today about Casillas coming in, wondering if you'd heard anything? Can't imagine he'd want to be third choice so seems unlikely, and probably has huge wages. Nonetheless, what a player to have around the club.

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{Ed001's Note - not a thing thankfully. He was the problem child of Real Madrid that caused all the issues for years. I would not want him anywhere near the club, he was never even that good a keeper.}

23 May 2017 10:39:59
Hey Ed, I have a few mates in Spain who are RM fans and most of them love him and are very anti-Mourinho/ Perez; just out of curiosity what was the situation with Casillas then?

Thanks for all the hard work on the site it's great.

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{Ed001's Note - they hate Mou and love Casillas because Casillas was Spanish and Mourinho is Portugese. Casillas played on that a lot to get his own way on everything. He was just an arse behind the scenes, caused great rifts between Spanish players and the rest.}

23 May 2017 11:08:27
I can confirm what Ed says. Casillas is very fond of playing office politics and often had the ear of Perez. Zidane was never a fan which is why you don't see Casillas around Madrid.

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{Ed001's Note - never a fan is putting it mildly mate.}

23 May 2017 12:51:10
And this is why I love this place I've been saying for years that casillas is standard and people would slate me (not here) but at work and so on, thank you eds.

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{Ed001's Note - it was not like he got tested often to prove anyone wrong or right about him, but he failed miserably those few occasions he was called upon. He reminds me of Joe Hart, beloved of the media for some unknown reason, so his gaffes would be hidden rather than highlighted.}

23 May 2017 13:18:27
Really enjoyed your info yesterday Ed001, do you not think that even if those transfers take place that the squal will still be very light/ small? Thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - not really, the best sides run with a small, tight squad. That is why you have U23s and an academy, to fill in any gaps during an injury crisis.}

23 May 2017 13:26:48
I bow to your knowledge. Quality over quantity. We must get the quality right this time.

Thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - we need to figure out fitness as well. It is not overtraining, that is complete nonsense, Chelsea training is amongst the hardest in the league, as is West Brom's. Both of those two suffered very few injuries. There will always be injuries, but we have had far too many and that needs to be resolved. Even if it is just to shut up that moron Verheijen and show up his ignorant bull as just that. The sad thing is people listen to his crap on twitter far more than the various sports scientists that have pointed out that he is talking nonsense.}

23 May 2017 13:41:42
I totally agree with Ed001 on Casillas, he's average at best and was bafflingly rated above Buffon for so many years.

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23 May 2017 14:21:53
Ed1 on the fitness. Its true chelsea players are worked just as hard as lfc lads if not harder so what's the difference? Why so few injuries for them and so many for us? Thanks for replies and time.

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{Ed001's Note - yes it is true. A lot of it comes down to basic endurance. Lallana has had to build up his fitness gradually, for instance, as he was always known for fading in matches. I just think a lot of our players lack stamina. That can take a long time to build, but it has been shown that high intensity training helps reduce injuries, so maybe we were not pushing our players hard enough due to the amount of games we played?}

23 May 2017 14:55:07
Although I don't agree so much on Casillas's lack of quality, Buffon and Neuer are the two greatest keepers of their generation by a huge distance and anyone putting Casillas in that bracket needs their head checking.

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23 May 2017 17:31:13
I don't want Casillas, he's cause problems in the past which you have mentioned and has been over the hill for 3/ 4 years, I do however disagree with the comments that he was average in his pomp.

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{Ed001's Note - cost Spain badly in a World Cup with his ineptitude in goal.....}

23 May 2017 18:34:59
He had a shocker in 2014 i agree. Made a couple of mistakes from memory but he wasn't the only Spanish player to have a shocker.
Can't see anyway this is true, surely we don't want him as our number 1 and surely he doesn't want to be a reserve?

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{Ed001's Note - not he wasn't the only one to have a shocker, but it was his standard form, it was just very rare people saw it as only Barca ever tried against Madrid in those days. The rest just 'parked the bus'. I have watched so many games with him in, from the start of his career upto and including a game or two this season, but I have yet to see him play well. I have seen him not have to do anything, but never seen him do anything to generate this ridiculous hype he has around him. He is the Spanish Joe Hart.}

23 May 2017 21:30:45
Personally think Casillas was too short to be a top class keeper and always struggled on crosses.

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23 May 2017 21:53:38
Ed is spot on. Training consistently and building fitness, allows your body to withstand the physical punishment of playing games consistently and allows you to play through small knocks and niggles.

Take Suarez for example. They guy never misses a game and that is because he is so passionate and wants to play all the time, he has trained himself into playing through injuries and even at LFC, many said he would play through tight hamstrings and ankle niggles.

The guy on twitter is talking nonsense and anyone with a brain or who has played footie at some level, will tell you that hard training does not cause injuries. It is the lack of it that does cos your body is not well-developed to cope and training helps with that.

As for Casillas, the guy is along with Raul and Morientes, have always been a prob at Real. Ask Nicholas Anelka.

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23 May 2017 19:35:53
Going along the lines of long-serving Spanish Real Madrid players, what was your opinion on Raul, Ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - great player, but it went to his head and he was the one who started the problems at Real Madrid. Raul and Casillas were a little clique who ran the show there, hence why he was moved on too early.}

24 May 2017 09:47:14
Cheers for the reply Ed. It's a miracle Real Madrid manage to continue to win trophies with the amount of power struggles between everyone associated with the club (Perez v managers, Perez v players, players v managers, players v players, fans v managers, fans v players etc) .

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair it helps when the govt, every match official and UEFA itself are on your side each game.}

22 May 2017 20:58:28
Many thanks for the great summary, Ed001!

Have I understood you correctly that Virgil VD is completely off the table. You didn't mention him in your summary.

Many thanks in advance,

A Swedish red.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't expect a centre back to arrive in the summer, unless we can't get some other targets. It is not a priority.}

23 May 2017 10:25:41
Eds, if we don't sign a center back, do you think we can compete in the CL and PL with our current center backs?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, the issue is the lesser games when the focus goes.}

23 May 2017 10:30:00
I'd say it was a priority with sakho obviously leaving an Lucas's leaving that leaves us with matip, lovren, klavan and Gomez? Really think that's good enough? Especially be With the extra champions league games and lovren and Matip seem to pick up injuries? I'd be pretty worried if we diddn't sign a CB if not 2.

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23 May 2017 12:28:17
Have to agree. Klavan is not good enough and Gomez still has a lot to prove. One injury and we have a problem.

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23 May 2017 14:51:20
absolutely baffling to be honest, Lovren himself isn't great so imagine if either him or Matip get injured. Really hope you're wrong on this one ed or we could well be eating words in 12 months time.

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23 May 2017 15:12:44
The problem is that most people don't rate Klavan as a reliable back up. All for giving Gomez a crack, but if it doesn't work out then that would leave us with only two reliable CBs who struggle to stay fit.

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23 May 2017 15:35:52
I hope this means Klopp trusts Gomez which is a positive sign for the lads future.

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