Liverpool Rumours Archive August 25 2015

 

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25 Aug 2015 09:09:28
You said last season Ed002 that Milan were happy to see the back of Balotelli. Why on earth have they chose to bring him back to the club after his previous disruptions? Slightly idiotic don't you think!

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{Ed002's Note - Financially it obviously makes sense for them.}

25 Aug 2015 22:06:29
Does it makes sense for you Ed002? I'm not privy to all the details, but as an outsider, this seems like a really, really bad move from Milan.

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{Ed002's Note - Not to me.}

25 Aug 2015 22:49:29
Seems like a good piece of business, to be honest. Liverpool payed a fee for him last summer that most other teams had no interest in paying. And now they're getting him back on loan, and don't have to pay his full wages. I'm assuming there's an option to buy, which would surely be less than what Liverpool paid last year. Balotelli actually had a decent spell at Milan before. His goals to matches played ratio was respectable and he assisted a handful of goals as well. Worst case for Milan, he has a season similar to this past year but they don't have to break the bank for it.

That being said, I'm not upset about him moving on. It's just funny the way these things work out sometimes.

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26 Aug 2015 01:04:36
I see it a bit different with balotelli. I think rodgers the self confessed saviour of lost causes has finally had to admit defeat with him. But instead of just giving up on him has loaned him to a familiar environment for him as a last last last chance. I don't know whether it's his mind. Body or soul that needs fixing but what I do know is balotelli is a talent that just can't be unleashed. I hope someone can unlock whatever is going on with the lad and not just for our sake but for the sake of the game. Happy to be shot down in flames but Let's see how he goes.

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26 Aug 2015 14:23:48
The bit I disagree with is that he is any sort of talent? I'm yet to witness any real quality at any club he's ever been at. For me he is Lazy he does not have the skill to go past a man, he can't hold the ball up very well, he's not great in the air and he shoots at all the wrong moments. Other than take penalties quite well I don't see a lot else. Sorry

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26 Aug 2015 17:25:07
After his 1 year at Liverpool, I completely understand what you mean. But he scored 30 in 54 matches at Milan and 30 in 80 matches at City before that. It seems clear that he has talent, but it's also clear that he doesn't quite have the drive or the willingness to apply himself. If he didn't have talent, he wouldn't have played at clubs like Inter, City, Milan, or Liverpool. He would instead be rotting in the 3rd tier of Italian football or perhaps even working at a fast food restaurant. There's a reason clubs continue to take a chance on signing him.

But I do agree with you in regards to his shortcomings, I just don't believe that he has no talent.

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27 Aug 2015 22:26:38
He scored X here and X there. Kbock off the goals from free kicks and penalties and just count his goals in open play then as a striker he is exceptionally poor value for money.

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27 Aug 2015 23:31:26
RedRum you make a valid point if those stats are accurate but I can only comment on what I've seen of the player which admittedly was his time at city and with us and on both occasions he's looked average at best. I cannot remember 1 game that he has ever grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and shown real talent. Admittedly he may have smashed one in while strolling around looking disinterested or from a set piece but for me that's not real talent.
Personally I can't stand the guy and it grates on me that we've wasted so much money on him.

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25 Aug 2015 14:41:12
Ilori & Teixeira got another 70 minutes last night in U21's defeat to Reading, another step on their road to full match fitness.
There is reported interest from Watford (Ilori) and Derby (Teixeira) to take them on loan. But Ilori wants to stay and fight for a place at Liverpool.

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25 Aug 2015 13:48:34
Hi Eds, how are you?

Just asking about Markovic? Why isn't he in the squad? Is he injured?

Thanks heaps

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{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware he is fit to play.}

25 Aug 2015 14:13:01
Not injured, just 5th choice attacking midfielder. Would probably be good for him and Teixeira to get loans, preferably to Premier League sides.

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25 Aug 2015 14:51:01
With ibe so off form, I think it would be a mistake sending out markovic on loan. Our only other 'winger' type player. Should be in the team ahead of ibe for a bit.

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25 Aug 2015 15:20:29
I'd like to see him get a chance too but the trouble for him is Coutinho & Firmino are going to be nailed on starters, Lallana is also ahead of him atm and he's suspended for the first 2 Europa League games. Perhaps Lallana's injury will give Markovic some chance, but I think at this point of his development he would benefit from starting games (preferably Premier League games) a LOT more than scrapping for occasional minutes here and there. Ibe is an explosive player who will prove useful this season in some games, but Markovic is more of a confidence player and that can only be gained by playing games. I guess it'll be up to him, at least he doesn't have to worry about keeping his place in the Serbia team for Euro '16.

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25 Aug 2015 15:26:15
Allen is 5th choice midfielder. Should he go out for a Loan?.
I would have played Markovic instead of Ibe yesterday.

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25 Aug 2015 16:37:18
Allen is not at a crucial point in his development like Markovic and doesn't have the same potential to become great. He might've been sold except for his injury and yes he would also benefit from playing games, but your sarcastic point is still moot.

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25 Aug 2015 17:49:27
Agree with you on Markovic playing Harry. He needs time. He's too young to give up on; i think he has shown some real glimpses of quality, and unlike Ibe, he's not one dimensional.

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25 Aug 2015 19:11:27
I think we would have a job trying to get a club to take allen lol

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26 Aug 2015 15:52:34
It is because he is rubbish

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26 Aug 2015 15:54:55
This is what happens when you buy players without an idea or strategy as to how and where to use them. Careers gets taunted or ruined, at the worst. Poor boy!

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25 Aug 2015 13:40:03
Hi Eds

Ed001, you mentioned in the podcast that Klopp was not discussed amongst the hierarchy at all. I was inclined to believe this, but after speaking to a guy with inside knowledge like yourself, he begs to differ- "Klopp has been discussed (for next season)". It's a longish post, but please bear with me.

Here's his evidence:
-He did outsourced physio-related work at LFC in 2010, and has been at other clubs like QPR, which was recently (he found them a nightmare). He keeps in contact with at least one person still at LFC. This person (let's call him Max) has a direct or indirect influence on the first team, that's all I can disclose about his job.

-After the Palace loss last season, Max was given a tap by an LFC official about his job future. There was the possibility that Rodgers would be sacked, and that the new incoming manager would possibly prefer to use his own person of choice, instead of Max.

-That stuff all blew over. However, as we all know, LFC finished the season disastrously. Once again, Max was given a tap by the LFC official, except this time, the official specifically inferred that Rodgers' potential replacement would be 'a German manager'.

-Once again, Rodgers came out alive. Max asked the official about his job, just for reassurance, and the official said that if BR is sacked during the season, he will still keep his job until the end. What then happens after May is up to the new manager.

-He added that the motion to sack Rodgers was outvoted, and it was voted to keep him. He mentioned some 'powerbrokers' wanted him to stay, but I don't know who these powerbrokers are.

Out of this, I sent him the following questions:
-If Liverpool have apparently had no direct or indirect communication with Klopp, then how could this official seem so confident about Klopp that he was inclined to specifically infer that the new manager would be this 'German guy'? Have there been talks after all?
-Who saved Rodgers? Mike Gordon? Or the board based on Gordon's recommendations? (hopefully that's something you can answer).

With this new season starting, I don't know if you'll find this stuff relevant or not (well I do), but it massively conflicts your assertion that Klopp was not even remotely considered at any stage, and I thought that therefore you would find this pretty intriguing.

I'd really appreciate some feedback.

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - Gordon made the final decision to keep Rodgers.}

25 Aug 2015 14:03:36
Hmm, okay. I don't know where he got this 'voted', 'outvoted' stuff from then. But I think he's right in the fact that there was a 'sack rodgers' motion within the club, which *I think* you implied around the time.

Thanks for the reply.

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25 Aug 2015 14:35:28
I was against Rodgers, but the first half yesterday was better than we played in any half last season, pressed high and looked dangerous. Someone behind the scenes has had an influence and I hope we can play like that when it's not in a ''big' game and take apart a few teams. I know we didn't score or win but it's an improvement

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25 Aug 2015 16:10:10
Without the post or Cech, we would have been three up at half time. The offside goal was a tight one and unlike the paid trolls on the web or the clueless pundits who act like they never played the game, that decision could have gone either way and unlike many of us, linesmen don't have replays an in one instant, it looked offside and that is what he saw so if that had happened to us, I wouldn't have had any prob with it.

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25 Aug 2015 21:28:34
Ask Ed002 about Klopp. As far as I heard online, Ed002 is fully aware of what is going on with Klopp in the background whether it relates to LFC or not. Might clear up a few things.

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{Ed002's Note - There is certainly no "voting" process at Liverpool. As I have explained Michael Gordon was presented with the name of a prospective new manager but chose not to go down that route. Once the decision was made to keep Rodgers there would be no need to discuss other managers. There was no chance Klopp was going to be moving to Liverpool this summer - I explained that over and over again this summer. There are already discussions happening about a number of managerial positions for next summer and Klopp will be taking a new role on a permanent basis then. It is possible he have some involvement with a potential new role later in the season. He is also soon to be offered a new job which I am certain he will reject.

We need to move on from this.}

26 Aug 2015 00:56:48
Wow, I'm genuinely surprised at how many 'believable' up-votes my post got!

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26 Aug 2015 06:33:15
Hi Ed002,

By 'voting process', I think it merely refers to a vote on the board of directors, which to me wouldn't be unusual, but doesn't happen at LFC anyway.

Judging by the fact that Gordon was presented with a potential replacement, and that this 'Max' guy I talk about was told about a 'German manager', I have no doubts that it was Klipperty.

If the Brodge stuffs up again, I also have no doubt that Liverpool will pursue 'the German guy'. From here on until May, a plethora of things could change, and we can't be certain about where Klopp will end up until this season is just about done. As of now though, his most likely 'attractive' choices seem to be United (will LVG survive?), Real Madrid (there's always been doubt around Rafa), and Liverpool. Purely based on subjective feeling, I reckon he'd prefer a project at United or Liverpool rather than Madrid. However, my guesswork is that if he takes up a new role near the end of the season, it will be Madrid. This whole paragraph though is just a bunch of subjective bulls*** while I wait for class bored at uni.

Anyway, I know we need to move on. but still! Regardless though, I hope Rodgers turns shit around from last season. If we turn it around, we won't need Klopp.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) There is no "voting" on the Board of Liverpool - nor can I think of there being "voting" at any other clubs. Different directors have different responsibilities and this is all terribly naive I am afraid. (b) Liverpool has a number of advisors and a manager was identified should the club make the change. It was not a German and was not Klopp - additionally, "representatives" of clubs do not in my experience offer up cryptic clues about managers - "it will be a German" - quite frankly it is i,plausible to even think of such a bizarre discussion happening. Klopp was never and option and was never going to join Liverpool this summer. (c) You are right about the entire paragraph.}

26 Aug 2015 07:07:24
No worries, I'll feed on this information to the guy who told me all of this, and I'll see what he has to say.

I'm not sure if the said discussion would be bizarre though. Max's job was at a possible threat of redundancy, and to me it seems logical if a club representative notifies him of this. I will admit, the reference to a 'german manager' throughout this discussion is a little odd (why not just name drop who it is?), but who knows.

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{Ed002's Note - There has been no "German" manager named or suggested. And there is no such thing as "redundancy" in club roles - I suspect someone has been teasing you.}

26 Aug 2015 09:43:02
Hmm, I'm confident he's not trying to tease me but I'll need to check in on some things with him. He's often very rushed and vague.

Are you sure redundancy doesn't exist though? Because ed001 mentioned some time ago that if Rodgers was sacked this season, the new manager might not necessarily want people like O'Driscoll.

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{Ed002's Note - Right - but it would not make him redundant. I am sorry - the whole thing sounds like absolute nonsense.}

26 Aug 2015 14:46:49
So what does that make him then?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure as hell not redundant - this is clearly all absolute BS - someone is teasing you on Twitter or whatever. Just let it go and move on please.}

27 Aug 2015 03:43:15
Usually you're made redundant when the company no longer needs someone in your job role, and it's usually due to financial issues. So in your case Nick, he'd have been fired/let go on mutual consent with a financial package.

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25 Aug 2015 11:15:05
Ed001,
Sorry if you were asked this since yesterday . I searched and did n't see anything. what's your thoughts on the Lucas situation yesterday. On one hand it seems to me we were putting him in the shop window on display, I never thought our club will ever do that, not in the big games anyway.
On the other hand however, I can buy that Rodgers wants to protect him and use him for the big games only, but his substitution would suggests there is some fitness/injury issue they being careful with?? Do you know any more on this ?

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{Ed001's Note - he was not playing to go into the shop window, he was there because Rodgers felt he was the best available option.}

25 Aug 2015 11:59:28
Could you expand on your response; i mean, if Rodgers feels he's the best option - why is he looking to sell him? - or is he?

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{Ed001's Note - best available option for that particular match mate, not best option overall. Rodgers doesn't choose to play with a defensive midfielder the majority of times, if Henderson was fit, I very much doubt Lucas would have played last night either.}

25 Aug 2015 12:26:13
{Ed001's Note - he was not playing to go into the shop window, he was there because Rodgers felt he was the best available option.}

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So what do you make out of his substitution ? is there any underlying fitness issues ?? I thought it was a big risky decision to take him out put a youngster in when trying not to concede and they were on the offensive

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{Ed001's Note - I think they just felt he was tiring.}

25 Aug 2015 13:16:25
Most likely a match fitness thing. He put in a lot of work in the minutes he was on the pitch last night.

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25 Aug 2015 12:58:01
Ed do you think we will now look to keep him? Like the majority on here I would be gutted to see him go, but would not blame him after last season and not being in the squad for Stoke and Boutnemouth.

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{Ed001's Note - it is more whether he wants to go or not that is the issue.}

25 Aug 2015 14:36:34
He is the best option for most away games in my eyes, can't see how he should go

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25 Aug 2015 16:11:44
He is the best option, period and last night's perf proved it for the umpteenth time.

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