Liverpool Rumours Archive June 29 2017

 

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29 Jun 2017 20:10:10
Bogdan is heading to forest on loan, can't we just give him them for free? Or sell him for a quid or something.

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29 Jun 2017 20:52:39
I thought he'd been released?

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29 Jun 2017 21:25:29
Makes sense to just give him away, has to be up there with one of the worst signings ever!

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29 Jun 2017 22:49:19
Based on what?

He came to the club as cover.
Good luck to him. Hope he gets some games wherever he goes.

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30 Jun 2017 07:54:26
Actually saw him on my flight back from Hungary the other day, he's much bigger than I expected haha!

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30 Jun 2017 18:17:20
if we're not looking for a striker as people keep saying, then we should be as TIMO WERNER would suit us down to the ground, leads the line well, occupies defenders, links up play, starts the press with his terrific pace, oh and by the way, he weights in with goals, plenty of them. is there any interest from us there.

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30 Jun 2017 18:19:05
Is he still at the club 🙄😳.

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01 Jul 2017 00:52:05
Unfortunate fans going at players like that. Bogdan didn't ask Liverpool to sign him. Who wouldn't jump at an offer from Liverpool even if he knew he was only backup. Fair play to him hasn't worked out best of luck in the future.

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29 Jun 2017 14:46:49
Just got some more info on VVD transfer, we will hear that Saints and LFC are in talks again towards the end of next week. VVD's Rep has spoken with Saints now that the manager is in place and confirmed that he would still like to move to LFC as has been the plan since Feb and he is unhappy as he believed he was told he could move in the summer. Saints have now accepted this and will appease fans by allowing Pellegrino the funds to bring in players and a "Marquee" signing.

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29 Jun 2017 15:52:51
Another total stab in the dark.

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29 Jun 2017 18:11:14
Saints have come out and sed none of there big players r leaving. VVD will NOT join us this summer.

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29 Jun 2017 18:34:12
Fowler you'll find if you look it up they said the same about lovern and lalanna, if players want out they usually get it, not saying he'll end up at lfc, buy who knows.

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29 Jun 2017 18:44:22
Just can't see it happening plus I don't want us to pay 70 million for a defender it just stupid money.

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29 Jun 2017 19:16:47
My source has got no reason to tell lies and I've got no reason not to believe him. His career is in premier league football so he gets decent info.

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29 Jun 2017 19:38:33
Plus southampton have just signed or signing a CB and now they are looking to sign Vermalen. Why would they buy 2 CB's if none of theirs are leaving?

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29 Jun 2017 19:45:11
Let's hope so.

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29 Jun 2017 20:26:56
He'll be in a red shirt next season. Of course he will ( with only a touch of white) it won't be as much as 70 mil either. I will be very surprised if I'm wrong.

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29 Jun 2017 21:03:54
Jonny- Southampton have red on their kit?

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29 Jun 2017 21:35:56
Vvd will not be coming. The owners won't be seen to go back on there word.

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29 Jun 2017 22:55:56
Because owners never go back on their word do they . and as for not wanting to spend 70m on VVD, well neither would I. but im not. your not either. it's not my money so id let them spend what ever they want. can't win with some people, don't spend enough 1 day and spend too much the next. Will VVD improve the team? Yes . who's better out there that actually WANTS to move to LFC?

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30 Jun 2017 00:07:50
So as it is not your money, I would assume you don't watch any games or highlights, buy any merchandise or tickets, and that you definitely have never subscribed to club membership of any kind?

Seriously, how would you feel if your local pub ran out of money for drinks because they had spent it on a bouncy castle? Yeah sure, the bouncy castle is exciting if you have a little brain, but It was still a kick in your teeth as they now can't afford to buy something that would actually benefit their primary target market.

A marquee signing would appease the little FIFA fanatics who just want to brag about transfers at school, but the actual fans who have to watch him play every weekend are the ones who will suffer. We do not need to spend £70m on a centre back with about 5 good games in his career.

Every penny in football comes from the fans. If you are happy for your team to waste all of OUR investments into OUR team on a guy priced at at least 3 times his fair value, then you clearly do not care about OUR clubs long term stability. Do not detach yourself. We, the fans, are the only constant in this equation. Owners change, players change, kits change, club names change, Stadiums change, managers change, hell even the training grounds change. We are the glue that holds it together by pumping our support and money into the club.

Van Dijk for me is no better than Lovren or Matip. Our issue at the back is mainly leadership and aerial strength. Van Dijk is admittedly a Phenom in the air, but he is no leader. I think for £70m you should be getting the best centre back in the world. He isn't even the best centre back at Southampton.

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30 Jun 2017 00:36:00
Spade in the ground.

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30 Jun 2017 01:14:24
Adam, no-one thinks that we don't put money into the club, through all of the methods you have listed.

However, I think a lot of posters are less concerned about the actual transfer fee, but instead whether the players are going to improve the team or the squad. For me, right now, I'm looking for players that will improve the first 11.

I do see VVD as better than Lovren, and less injury prone than Matip (based on Joel's first season in the EPL) .

So I do think he will improve the first team, and he's a player that Klopp wants, and who seems to want to play for Klopp, so for me (and many others) VVD is a signing we would like to see happen. Also, it would compound the mess we have made for ourselves if we leave a player high and dry at a club he has professed to want to leave.

In terms of whether spending the money on VVD stops us pursuing other targets, I don't know that to be the case and neither do you. Ed002 (I think, apologies if it wasn't you ma'am) has always said that money will be (and has been) made available to Klopp to try to sign the players that he (along with the other transfer advisors) thinks will help bring the title to the club. Given the well publicised increase in revenue as a result of the TV deal and us (hopefully) qualifying for the CL, I don't doubt that spending £60m (or whatever) on VVD will not stop us trying to buy other players.

Finally, don;t forget that, this season in particular, transfer fees to English clubs have had yet another massive leap. Is Pickford worth £30m? Not compared to transfer fees 5 years ago, or even last year, but in today's transfer market, probably. Whereas teams not so long ago (couple of seasons or so? ) were spending £30-£40m on top quality players, that going rate is now £50-£60m. Look at the figures not only being bandied about but actually being paid by the top teams in the EPL (yes, Ed025, I begrudgingly include Everton in that list! ) .

The market is crazy, but it is the market now. VVD is better than Lovren. We paid £20m for Lovren 3 years ago. That equivalent fee would be £40-£50m now. And most people would pick VVD over Lovren. Listen, who would've thought that there would be a queue of clubs willing to pay £120m for an 18 year old striker, but they are. Martial (in my view) was the equivalent "hot property young French striker" a couple of seasons ago, and United paid (upto) £60m for him in 2015. Crazy in itself, but just shows how the market has moved in the last couple of years.

Sorry for the essay, but to summarise, please understand that transfer fees have gone crazy recently across the market, and most of our fans are just looking for improvements to the first team, rather than getting concerned about how much more our club is now paying for players that would've cost, on a like for like basis, a half or a third of their current price only a couple of seasons ago.

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{Ed001's Note - Martial was nothing like Mbappe. Two different levels completely. Martial was a bright prospect but nothing really special now. Mbappe is an absolute standout. not for his age, but in general. Martial was not a world class talent but Mbappe is.}

30 Jun 2017 01:54:31
I can't understand this obsession with constantly wasting massive amounts of money, I've said it before we should keep Sakho and develop Gomez, but no we'll keep making the same mistakes.

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30 Jun 2017 02:30:45
Understand what you're saying mk and agree too. I don't believe the figure 70 mil myself and to say vvd has had only five good games. I'm not sure that is right. I don't think klopp is being rash here, it is these signings that could ultimately seal his fate, for better or worse. I would expect it to be between 40/ 50 mil which is still a lot of money for a defender. I remember hypia for what a million? Surely there is someone out there we could get cheaper who could do the job although I reckon klopp is seeing ghe defender he can develop vvd into and personally I think he has it in him to be one of the worlds best.

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30 Jun 2017 07:29:01
A bouncy castle at a pub? Could be carnage 😄.

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30 Jun 2017 15:47:44
I agree with hbr and I know this is controversial but sahko is as good as vvd and he would cost nothing. Can't see klopp going back on his word though here. Let's hope we get a decent price for him. If vvd is worth 50 sahko must be worth 40.

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30 Jun 2017 18:20:38
VVD is worth every penny of £70M if he sorts out our torrid defensive record.

Nobody on this site except the Ed chaps have any idea what a true valuation of a player entails and if our owners are willing to shell out, then they must agree on what fee Saints ask for.

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30 Jun 2017 18:32:46
Comparing Martial to Mbappe is just crazy. Martial is not in his league and in fact, has regressed since he came to Utd. They were warned that he was not ready yet for the big time but like we did with Markovic, they did not listen and now, look at him. As for Mbappe, age has nothing to do with it.

City made a 40m euros bid for him two years ago when he was 16. That is talent and nothing to do with age and he has grown and progressed well ever since. It is the opposite for Martial who wouldn't start in our first 11.

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29 Jun 2017 10:09:10
Eds have we shown interest in Jordan Amavi we were looking at him in January but he has be made surplus to requirements.

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{Ed001's Note - we actually looked at him the season before, not January. We decided against him then, I don't know exactly why, but I don't know of any change in that situation.}

29 Jun 2017 11:57:36
On this note Eds are there any players from last summer klopp retained interest in. Funny how when we are linked to a player people cry when we don't sign them but months later forget all about them. Hector for left back still no?

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{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of.}

29 Jun 2017 19:19:44
I believe Robertson is our most likely LB signing.

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30 Jun 2017 00:39:47
iv heard Insua is available for the left back slot.

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30 Jun 2017 03:19:20
I think instead of spending 40 mil on a lb like mendy we need two lbs. Robertson would be one and I reckon (have for months) he'll be a liverpool player next season as I think he's a rough diamond. Be good to see Milner playing in midfield as I still think he has something to give and especially in ucl any thoughts on a cut price lb who could do a job? (When I say cut price I mean reasonable )

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30 Jun 2017 07:38:25
Jonny, if Robertson will be going in as first choice LB, rather than recruiting another one who could "do a job" why not save the money and look to Milner to provide cover and/ or Juanma who is so highly thought of in the club?

Robertson looks like costing (roughly) £8-£10m (as reported in the press) . I have no idea if he would good value at that price or not as I've not really seen him play. Is he? More importantly, is he an improvement on Milner?

I seem to recall Ed001 saying that, although he wouldn't be his first choice, he would be an improvement on Milner not least as a result of his delivery.

Regardless, he has one attribute that Mendy (for example) doesn't have which is top flight EPL experience.

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30 Jun 2017 15:25:51
I think it's quite important to have a left foot on the wing and if for w/ e reason Robertson can't play I think we should have another natural lb. Milner was brilliant in his application last season but I think he was wasted at lb. He has to check back before he crosses which takes the momentum out of the move. Before we spend 60 mil on another cm I'd like us to sort out our priorities first. Lb cb striker if ds leaves another lb.

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30 Jun 2017 15:53:09
But I take your point zeddicus and that will probably be the case.

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30 Jun 2017 18:16:53
Why is Moreno unwanted but we are looking at Robertson? Its almost as bad as when we gave away Insua and bought Konchesky. why buy players that is no better then what we have?

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01 Jul 2017 15:17:05
Moreno is pretty good going forward but defensively he is pretty shocking. I wanted to kill him after uefa cup final! Hugging seville players in tunnel. Robertson is an improvement as he's more rounded. ie he can defend. I don't understand why moreno is considered a defender why not develop him as a winger?

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01 Jul 2017 15:21:25
Robertson at 8 mil is good business. 3 yrs playing for us and he'll be worth at least double that. I think he's going to be a star for us I really do.

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29 Jun 2017 09:36:32
Eds have we shown any interest in Renato Sanches of Bayern? He is for sale i think at only 19 and playing at a position that is a priority.

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{Ed001's Note - not as of yet, no.}

29 Jun 2017 09:49:12
Surprises me slightly, he was the golden boy last year and from the clips I've seen I've been impressed. He'd add energy, ability and a physical presence. I once saw him send Hulk flying vs zenit!

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29 Jun 2017 09:59:57
Thanks for the swift reply Ed001.Hope if Keita doesn't materialise this guy will be our chosen one. From what i have seen of him he is a beast and i am surprised that Carlo doesn't rate him.

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29 Jun 2017 10:12:45
Potentially he could be star / w class! Would he be worth the risk? CM in the premiership maybe be up against it with coutinho in there also. Could he be an option ed?

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29 Jun 2017 10:41:33
I suspect he wouldn't command a large fee and I thought he was more of a winger? Physically a beast but does he have the brain and attitude to go with it or is he a Balotelli in the making?

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29 Jun 2017 11:20:30
He looked a fantastic starlet before moving to Munich. Maybe a step too far too soon. Great hair though eh ed02?

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{Ed002's Note - Oh yes.}

29 Jun 2017 11:28:16
Apparently (but only according to gutter press) Bayern are willing to make a loss on him and sell for €35m, having bought in Tolliso and Rudy who play in the same position (according to SSN) .

Question for the Eds, does he have off field/ attitude problems a la Balotelli, or has his poor form in the last 12 months been purely down to the ups and downs a very young player at a big team faces?

Lets not forget that Origi was in the worst 11 in France in the season before he came to us, and he has been very good this year, so we need to have patience with young players.

If there aren't any other issues, in this market I think £30m would be a steal, especially if Klopp can help him get his confidence back.

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{Ed002's Note - They paid well over the odds and he has not settled. Liverpool has shown no interest.}

29 Jun 2017 11:59:51
Extremely overrated. His control is average to say the least.

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29 Jun 2017 13:20:51
He is only 19 and he looked extremely promising so at 35 why not? I think he will be proven much better than the majority of our targets for that position and also if he doesn't make an impact we can still sell him at a decent price due to his age.

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29 Jun 2017 13:49:46
Their original asking price was around €35mio and they have lowered it to €28mio but still no real interest from other clubs.

As i have read today bayern won't sell him but will loan him out. Höhnes said that they want to build a squad around 22-24 year old players.

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29 Jun 2017 11:49:09
Thanks Ed002, shame we have shown no interest.

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{Ed002's Note - Another random player - I don't know what else to say. It is just the same as Ryan Donaldson who will be moving elsewhere.}

30 Jun 2017 17:41:12
Hadn't even considered him but would certainly be value for money at the represented price and come on he's 19 he's allowed have poor spells but he still showed glimpses of brilliance at the u21 when on the pitch.

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29 Jun 2017 00:40:30
Evening Eds, is there any update on emre can's contract situation? He seems to be turning into a top class player game after game and going into his final year of his current contract it won't be long he can start negotiating with other clubs, with reported interest from juve it would be sad to see him go on a free.

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{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware there is nothing to tell as he is away with the U21s.}

29 Jun 2017 05:29:06
He is at the confederations Cup in Russia with Germany.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry that is what I meant, it was a moment of madness as I had just been reading about the U21s and was still waking up.}

30 Jun 2017 15:31:09
Could can or liverpool be waiting to see who arrives at club this summer before committing? Not that I agree with this just . Could it be the case? I really like can, think he'll be world class in yrs to come, hope he stays as if not I think we'll look back one day with regret.

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{Ed001's Note - I have no idea.}

28 Jun 2017 23:25:08
Kai havertz and Benjamin henrichs to Liverpool from Bayer leverkusen?

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29 Jun 2017 11:56:32
Straight from 90 min . com.

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